00:02I'm an extremely paranoid person right now because I know that you guys got something
00:06cooked up with Keith and I don't know exactly know what it is.
00:08I got my eyes on both of you today.
00:13What?
00:19If you're going to do it, just do it now.
00:20No, there's nothing cooked up.
00:22If you're going to do it, just do it now.
00:27I'm not sitting here for four hours waiting on you to do it.
00:30What's the show, Kim?
00:31Okay, fine.
00:322-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
00:34Throw out the number.
00:34We move on.
00:36All right, so Dylan Gabriel's coming off the IR today.
00:40Well, the practice window opens up.
00:42It's not that he just goes right back on the team.
00:44You've got a 21-day practice window.
00:46And then if you can't get healthy, quote-unquote, in those three weeks,
00:49then you go back on IR and you're done for the year.
00:52So he comes off the IR.
00:53This is from Saturday.
00:54This is with Earl and Spencer.
00:56This is Daniel Yafusi saying the quiet part out loud
00:59because you've got three quarterbacks in the room right now, and that's okay.
01:05But when you have four, you've got yourself a problem.
01:08Yeah, it's going to be really interesting.
01:09Dylan is eligible to come off injured reserve and return a practice or whatnot.
01:13There is a 21-day kind of ramp up that, you know,
01:15once they designate him to return a practice, they have to make a decision.
01:18So there is a little bit of time, you know,
01:20maybe really three weeks before they have to make an official decision.
01:24And that will kind of lead us into the trade deadline.
01:26So that will be really interesting.
01:27I'll say this.
01:28Like, Andrew Barry loves him to trade.
01:29He loves him a quarterback trade, whether that's trading for one or trading away one.
01:33I'm thinking he wants to necessarily give away anybody in that quarterback room.
01:36But if the value is there, he'll definitely be open to it.
01:39Because, you know, the roster mechanics and, you know,
01:42these roster spots are so precious.
01:44It's tough to keep four and really keep two guys who are going to have no type of impact on
01:50game day.
01:51So that's definitely going to be an underlying storyline to watch is we, you know,
01:55enjoy this Brown strong start.
01:57Now we've got more Guardians coming up in just over 40 minutes.
02:00However, that's Daniel Yufusi from ESPN with Earl and Spencer back on Saturday afternoon.
02:04And I think a lot of people are kind of wondering, because I think there's two answers.
02:09It's a question of who can you trade, who would you trade?
02:12Who could you, who would you?
02:13And I think they're two different answers for a lot of Browns fans out there.
02:16Because you can't keep four.
02:17You can't keep four.
02:18I don't think any.
02:19Does anybody.
02:20Is anybody okay with cutting tail and green?
02:22I don't think they are.
02:24No.
02:24That probably makes the least amount of sense.
02:286-6.
02:29Big monster.
02:30Big quarterback.
02:31Like, this is not the start that I think a lot of people thought they were going to have.
02:34I think a lot of people would think maybe 1-3, 0-4 after the Jacksonville game.
02:38They're 3-1.
02:39And that we had already gotten to our second starter.
02:41And so this is your issue here.
02:44Exactly.
02:44We would have got to the second starter.
02:46So this is where your issue is.
02:48We got to the end of the month.
02:49Like, I got to paint this picture.
02:50This is a very weird road we have to drive.
02:53You get the end of the month to figure out whether or not he's good to play or you can
02:58trade him.
02:58Talking about Dylan Gabriel.
02:59You got to the end of the month before the trade deadline in the first place.
03:02Yeah, I think a lot of people are interested or curious about Shador Sanders.
03:07But when are you going to be able to get to him because Deshaun Watson's playing decent enough to make
03:13sure he's a starter.
03:14Even well, like we saw him play on Sunday or on Thursday.
03:19Dylan Gabriel is a guy that doesn't excite the fan base.
03:23But he knows the offense.
03:24And he knows where to line people up.
03:27By the way, we have heard, we can tell people this, that he knows the offense better than anybody in
03:32the room.
03:33Yes, we can say that.
03:34Yes.
03:35You and I have both been told that.
03:37So, if you're 3-1 and he's the guy who knows the offense the best, what is the point of
03:43a backup quarterback to come in for a team that's supposed to be competitive?
03:48Try to eliminate turnovers, which he tries to do.
03:51Okay?
03:52He's not going to necessarily roast the ball down the field.
03:54And we know any of the big bombs that he throws, they just seem to disappear into the atmosphere like
03:59a balloon.
04:01I don't know necessarily where to go on this.
04:04I got to tell you.
04:06Because if you talk about trading Shador Sanders, I don't know, you got to have another team to get him
04:12back.
04:12Like, you got to have two people to make a trade.
04:14That's how trades work.
04:16I got to be able to have another team that's willing to bring him in.
04:19Are there other teams lining up for his services?
04:22Do you think there'd be more of a market for Dylan Gabriel?
04:25I don't think there's much more market for either.
04:26Okay, but I'm 3-1 now.
04:29So, we're in this spot that I did not think we were going to be in.
04:31Nobody really thought we were going to be, except for a few listeners out there.
04:35You're 3-1.
04:36We got to remain competitive.
04:38We got to continue to try to win football games.
04:40But you know that this quarterback, and very few quarterbacks anymore in the NFL, go a full 17 games.
04:46So, one of these guys we're going to see.
04:49That's the way it's going to go.
04:50We went from Deshaun Watson, like, basically pushing him out the door, get out of here.
04:55Sorry, I bumped the camera there for viewers on YouTube.
04:58To, now, I got to figure out who to keep because I can't have four in my QB room.
05:03What do I do?
05:05What would you do?
05:06This seems impossible right now.
05:08Well, I always, am I wrong?
05:11Is this a bad?
05:13Simplify it for me.
05:15Did anybody think that Dylan Gabriel was hurt to begin with when he got placed on the injured?
05:19Did it seem like they were just using one of the levers that was available to them to clear up
05:25the mess before the season started?
05:26Well, he did seem to play very well in preseason game number three.
05:29We're going to have to, if you can, you can't just, that is speculative.
05:34Reckless speculation.
05:36Yeah.
05:38You just talked about things we were told behind closed doors, and you can't just say that, well, is there
05:43anybody who really thought he was hurt?
05:44I didn't necessarily think he was hurt, but that's personal opinion.
05:46I think it's the same thing with you.
05:47We speculate that he wasn't.
05:49All right?
05:49Well, the reason I say that is that if they're given 21 days, then if I never really thought he
05:57was injured to begin with, then it seems like this is an issue three weeks from now, more than it
06:02is today.
06:05Okay.
06:06I mean, I hate to kill the conversation, but I just, where was the evidence that he was injured to
06:10begin with?
06:11Did we see him in a back brace?
06:14Did we see him?
06:17No.
06:18Okay.
06:19So, you know, and then compounding the issue is there's no reason to think that anything outside of an injury
06:28now.
06:28We said it on Friday.
06:30How much runway did Deshaun Watson buy himself with the three-game win streak and the fourth-quarter clutch drives?
06:37I'm not sure.
06:39I think that he's, when you're three and one, you're at least to three and three.
06:44Like, they could lose three in a row, and then we'd start that conversation.
06:49Yeah, but we still don't have that much time to talk about.
06:53I mean, you say three weeks, like it's this long amount of time.
06:56Technically, it is, but I got to make, I got to figure out something here with this group.
07:04And then, but that's what I'm saying.
07:05Do you have to figure out anything for another three weeks?
07:08That's just the, that number is going to keep sticking in my brain for, there's not a level of urgency
07:14here.
07:15I don't think that Dylan Gabriel or Shador have any kind of big-time value.
07:21Like, Shador was drafted as a fifth-rounder.
07:23I don't think they could get anything better than a fifth-rounder for him now.
07:27And I don't even know if they can get anything better than a sixth-rounder.
07:29Well, again, I got to, well, how can I trade?
07:31So what is the urgency, I guess?
07:33You posed the question, so I'll ask you.
07:35What is the urgency to have to move off one of the guys in the next three weeks?
07:41I guess there isn't any urgency.
07:43So I guess we'll just move on with the conversation then.
07:45But that's, I mean, I'm just giving you my, I'm giving you my honest assessment of where they're at right
07:50now.
07:50What would you, that's fine.
07:51What would we like to discuss?
07:52Why are you trying to get off one of them so quick?
07:54I'm not trying to get off one of them so quick.
07:56I just, if I need to make a decision right now, I need to put, you know, this is what
08:00we do.
08:00We put each other on the spot here.
08:02I need to make a decision right now which way I would lean.
08:04Which way would you lean right now, even with three weeks left to go before a trade deadline?
08:08Well, honestly, I think that Shador has more, still has more potential than Dylan does.
08:17But I'm not, I'm not, I'm not forcing myself to make a decision any faster than I need to.
08:22If Deshaun goes down on Sunday, what do I do?
08:24Do I just put Shador in there or do I put it, do I?
08:27Yeah, Shador would be your starter.
08:28Okay, but do I put it, wait a minute, we just both agreed that we were both told that the
08:32other guy knows the offense better than the other one.
08:34I just don't think he has anywhere near the talent that Shador does.
08:36Okay, he might not have anywhere near the talent, but again, I have to conduct the offense.
08:39I've got to see what happens.
08:40I don't know what, I don't know how in this hypothetical, I don't know how long Deshaun Watson's going to
08:46be out.
08:47So I still like, there are quarterbacks that fill roles as backups and they do not have the talent that
08:57other guys have in this league.
08:59Dylan Gabriel does not have the talent that you would believe Shador Sanders does.
09:02That's understood.
09:03But if he knows the offense, like, I've got to be able to go lily pad to lily pad and
09:07cross a bridge to be able to get Deshaun Watson back.
09:11So it is a conversation.
09:12Well, and I'm hoping behind the scenes, I know, you know, it was well documented last year, Kevin Stefanski had
09:19all those extra sessions for Shador,
09:21even though he supposedly hated his guts, I don't understand that one.
09:24Now, what are they doing behind the scenes to get Shador ready for when he's...
09:29Well, clearly there's extra work being done.
09:31That's what I mean.
09:31Yeah.
09:31That's what I mean.
09:32So I'm hoping, while Todd, along with Kevin, did not think Shador was ready to go at the start of
09:38either of the seasons,
09:39because, you know, not everybody is ready.
09:42Not everybody is on the same learning curve and on the same timeline.
09:46What kind of work are they doing now to get him ready?
09:49And, you know, hey, it's a little thing.
09:51When he left that game, you know, for just, it was just one play.
09:56But he let Shador throw the football.
09:59I just assumed any quarterback coming into that situation, if it was only going to be a play, they would
10:05have just given him a running play.
10:06As of right now.
10:06Maybe there's a little confidence.
10:08As of right now.
10:082-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
10:10I know we got a lot of time here before the trade deadline.
10:13Which QB could slash would you be willing to move on from in that four-man box?
10:20If you could even talk about Deshaun Watson, fine.
10:22Give me a scenario, because I don't think anybody is going to pick it up because of contracts and anything
10:25like that.
10:26And, plus, you wouldn't get rid of him because you're 3-1 right now, and he's playing pretty good complimentary
10:29football here.
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