00:00What was the approval rating of Dylan Gabriel before yesterday?
00:03Higher than Deshaun Watson's.
00:05Was it?
00:06Yeah.
00:08Like, I don't know, Deshaun Watson at least led to spirited debates.
00:12With Dylan Gabriel, it was just the afternoon show clowning him for how short he is every day.
00:17So, apparently, I'm going to be really mad at you coming up at 8.45.
00:21I don't know what's going on.
00:22You guys were in the other room.
00:23You closed the door.
00:24I was writing down some things.
00:26I looked up, and I saw you guys, like, looking over and whispering crap at me.
00:29So, I don't know what's going on.
00:31Looking at me and whispering, I don't know what's going on.
00:35So, this is always great where I tell people, hey, make sure you listen at 8.45.
00:39Why are you listening at 8.45, Ken?
00:41I don't know what you're supposed to listen to at 8.45.
00:43But, apparently, I'm going to be really red-faced and mad.
00:45Okay, well, as long as Ken's going to be mad, go right on ahead.
00:48If you're down on the quarterback room, the quarterback situation, maybe 8.40 is the time for you.
00:54We could have a magical weekend.
00:55So, we said Dylan Gabriel played well.
00:57Can we have a little bit of common sense here?
01:00Dylan Gabriel played well.
01:03And, immediately, it's been, well, he's only playing against backups.
01:08Nobody has said he's the starter of the future for the Cleveland Browns.
01:10Nobody has ever, including the Browns, has used his term as a franchise.
01:14In fact, it's always been, he's a career backup.
01:16The Browns said they project him as a career backup.
01:19Am I wrong?
01:20No, not wrong.
01:21Okay.
01:21Also, so why should I knock Dylan Gabriel as a career backup for playing well against backups?
01:29And, did I miss something?
01:31Was there a mysterious preseason game that I forgot to watch where the Browns quarterbacks
01:37were playing against starters?
01:38Credit where it's due.
01:39Was there a game?
01:40Yeah.
01:40Was there a game that Shador played against starters?
01:42No, I said, and by the way, I said that they played as well as the other guys did.
01:46That's an insane argument.
01:47They played as well as the other guys did.
01:50I'm sorry.
01:51They played, yeah, Taylor Greene didn't throw the ball a lot.
01:53Okay.
01:54Well, we've had that discussion already, and because he only barely threw the ball, people
01:57still want to keep him on the team.
01:59Like, I know a lot, like, Dylan Gabriel's not a popular figure.
02:01He just isn't.
02:03The Shador fans don't like him.
02:05Browns fans, they, we believe it's Kevin Stefanski's pick, even though Zach Jackson, he
02:10threw that right into the, into the culvert a couple of weeks ago.
02:14We'll see how they feel about him.
02:16Because, yeah, I thought that they, yesterday, they may very well try to facilitate a trade
02:19and they may still very well, will, but, you know, you have a quarterback room now that
02:25the whole year, preseason, everything, operations are so important.
02:30He clearly proved that operations are important and that he knows the operations.
02:33So, it makes it harder to trade the guy because the head coach is making the decision as we
02:38went down this line over the last couple of weeks, and if the head coach is making the
02:42decision, then he probably doesn't really want to trade the guy because, as a backup,
02:46you're supposed to know the operations, know the offense, try to eliminate turnovers as
02:50very best you can, and put your team in a position to win, not usually that you're the
02:54reason they win, but put it in a position where the team can win and you can help facilitate
02:59that.
02:59That's what Dylan Gabriel has shown, which you brought up another question.
03:03If we were talking about all these QBs and it was such a wide-open thing, well, you dusted
03:07off something that I got hammered for about a month ago about Dylan Gabriel with the Cleveland
03:13Browns.
03:13Go right on ahead.
03:13Yeah, and obviously, this show, I don't think there was any show that was a big fan of Dylan
03:19Gabriel and his NFL chances or the draft pick and top 100 to go where he went, but knowing
03:25that this is considered one of the worst, if not the worst, quarterback rooms in the
03:28NFL, should he have been given a legitimate shot to win the starting job?
03:33And if not, why?
03:36Why was he not part of this?
03:39I think there are going to be people who say yes.
03:41I really don't.
03:43I think you're going to have a two-man, quote-unquote, competition.
03:46I think three goes into Kevin Stefanski land very quickly, and I think that that can become
03:51a mess.
03:52Okay, but why was Shador ahead of him?
03:54Just because he played more games last year?
03:57No.
03:58I think that you have a guy.
04:00Now, this is going to be a little bit, like, I'm speculating.
04:02And I'm playing devil's advocate here, because I don't think he's as good as Shador.
04:05But I'm just saying, why wasn't he?
04:08It's a new head coach.
04:09It's not like the staff was the same as last year.
04:14So, he was a higher draft pick than Shador.
04:16Normally, that matters for organizations.
04:18We're going to have to understand some things, all right?
04:20He knows the game.
04:21I think he could be a football coach someday.
04:23Dylan.
04:24Then you have Deshaun Watson, who's a pride of the fan base, but has played at a high
04:28level before and has high-level traits that would probably excite a football coach, because
04:33you want a project, or you're going to, you signed on to this project, and you're going
04:37to try to get him back to those traits or as close back to him as you can.
04:41Todd Munkin has said the entire time, he's good operationally, can get guys in and out
04:46of the huddle, knows where they're supposed to go, and is better with the anticipation.
04:51Okay?
04:51That's what Todd Munkin's saying.
04:53Shador, I know there's plenty of haters who say, what the hell is the point of this guy?
04:58There's going to be higher-level traits when it comes to accuracy, deep ball stuff.
05:02If there's, and honestly, there is a popularity there where you may very well have to have
05:08a conversation about PR, but we've had that conversation before.
05:12So you have all those things that play into it with Shador.
05:14You have all those things that play into it with Deshaun Watson and with Dylan Gabriel.
05:18And then you get to just football.
05:20Okay, guy has traits.
05:22Okay, that's Shador.
05:23A guy has better operations.
05:26It might be marginally, but it's better operations.
05:29And he has Deshaun.
05:32And all those traits that we just talked about.
05:34Okay, that's what will put Deshaun there.
05:37Well, Dylan has the operations, but he doesn't have any of the tantalizing traits.
05:40So you can go win with Dylan Gabriel, but I think Todd Munkin might be enticed to win because
05:49of Deshaun.
05:51Which, you know why, if you can win because of Deshaun, well, you can sure as hell lose
05:56because of Deshaun.
05:57And they've done that before.
06:00If it's such a wide open thing, yeah, I think he's had a great camp.
06:04And he did, at the beginning of it, show that he could play at a decent level and maybe get
06:12himself some more reps.
06:13But ultimately, you know, against ones, he may very well just be like a seven-on-seven QB.
06:19He may be a better coach someday.
06:20Like, you could see him on a college sideline someday as a head coach, maybe.
06:26You could see him as a QB coach.
06:29I think a lot of people could see that.
06:30But because he is not the biggest quarterback in the world, because he does lack a few things
06:38there, maybe he's just not a high-level NFL quarterback.
06:40His accuracy and how quickly he got rid of the ball last night was, I think, because
06:45you could talk about, yeah, the speed of the game's not the same because he's not going
06:48up against starters, although we reiterate, did go up against a lot of legitimate backups
06:53for New England that will be playing this season.
06:56People were saying third-teamers, four-teamers, not the first three series.
07:00He was going up against, you know, guys that will absolutely get action in game one this
07:03year for New England.
07:04But how quickly he got rid of the ball and knew exactly where to go with the ball, that
07:09stuff is intoxicating for head coaches.
07:12You know that.
07:13You're talking about Dillon?
07:14Dillon.
07:14Yeah.
07:15Yeah.
07:15The fact that, you know, he looked very, very confident directing the offense and all
07:19that stuff, that was very, very interesting, too.
07:23And obviously, again, last preseason game, are we going too far?
07:27Of course.
07:27We've gone too far with every throw that these guys have made in camp, which is funny.
07:31Like, what does the tracker mean when we actually have games like that last night, where it's
07:38full-on contact, 11-on-11, you know, not regular season football, but an actual football
07:44game.
07:45So, you know what?
07:46I was happy for him, to be honest, because he's been given no opportunity here.
07:49Like, if he had a fan base like Shador's, they'd be playing the victim game more than
07:54anybody, because for what reason was he not really given a chance?
07:58I can't imagine what one of his fans would do, beating you about the head and face at
08:04any sort of a terminal of public transportation.
08:06I'd be getting slapped silly.
08:08Well, I don't think Hawaiians, they don't slap.
08:10They actually do the real thing.
08:14Owen, you've been there.
08:16Never been to Hawaii.
08:17I thought you'd been to Hawaii.
08:19I've been to Alaska.
08:21Oh.
08:21It's a different time zone.
08:22Is that a different country?
08:23Which one's the 49th and the 50th state?
08:24It depends what map you're looking at.
08:25They're right next door.
08:27Yeah.
08:27True.
08:30Good point.
08:31They do kind of.
08:32Okay, then none of us have ever been to Hawaii, so then I don't know.
08:35I did.
08:37He's definitely been through the ringer here, but I also think, you know, we got to discuss
08:41his future as well.
08:43He probably was really excited he played well, too, going, maybe get me out of here.
08:47Mm-hmm.
08:48Yeah, why would he want to be here?
08:50There's no doubt.
08:51You cannot sit there and doubt.
08:52You could probably assume that him and his agent have talked about possible trades here
08:56over the last eight months, and he played well, and he's going to, I would imagine,
09:02because of how things have gone, and some of it is just, I think a lot of it's happenstance.
09:07I don't think he's a bad person whatsoever.
09:08Got nothing against him.
09:10I think that he probably would prefer a change of scenery, but because he knows what to do,
09:17I don't know if he can always do it, but he knows what to do, well, that's going to
09:21make things a little bit difficult, because if we're calling a career backup, a career
09:24backup, and he can do those things, well, they, you know, we have found that career backups,
09:29they don't just fall off the trees themselves.
09:31You know, there's a lot of guys who get it, and then there's guys who get it, and they
09:34can still do it at a little bit better level than some of those other guys.
09:37So he may very well have played himself well enough to silence the phone calls that are
09:42going to Andrew Barry.
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