00:00The big, vast debate on four quarterbacks, and then Dylan Gabriel has a back injury.
00:06Needs a backyotomy.
00:09Alright, what do you think?
00:12They couldn't trade. There was no trade for any of the quarterbacks that was...
00:17Market wasn't good. Nobody got hurt.
00:19No.
00:19And so, like Michael Penix is banged up, but he's always banged up.
00:23I mean, that's the story of Michael Penix.
00:25So, nobody really got hurt.
00:28There was really no market.
00:30You couldn't let him just walk after what he did on the preseason, right?
00:35You couldn't just do that.
00:36Yeah, you know, it's obviously, it's what we had to work with, so we were going to talk about it.
00:41Yeah.
00:42And it was a fun performance.
00:43It was from a last preseason game in which, you know, it's backups and backups and backups.
00:49Yes.
00:50But you were looking for any kind of rationalization that this was an NFL player.
00:54And you finally saw, okay, but then people were quick to note,
00:57here are the 150 other quarterbacks who have had a performance like this in preseason.
01:02Okay.
01:03I mean, that's...
01:04It's like, well, then why are we watching these games?
01:07I wish I could tell you.
01:09I'm just as guilty because I've done that, too.
01:11Because...
01:11I've poo-pooed a Browns performance in a preseason game.
01:14Famously Brandon Whedon.
01:15But what...
01:16I sat right next to you.
01:17But in the end, if that's all we go to, then I guess, well, why do we even watch or
01:21talk about it?
01:21Well, the whole thing about a preseason performance is that there's nothing...
01:25You're never going to get anything concrete.
01:27Like, it's never going to be...
01:30It's never going to be cut and dry 100%.
01:32So, like, when he did well last Thursday night, and I came in, and people were like,
01:38wow, but he gets a bunch of guys that are going to be truck drivers.
01:40I'm like, well, they had second-teamers in there, too.
01:43Like, in his half, there were second-teamers in there.
01:45But my whole point was...
01:47Why don't they let the practice squad guys also drive the truck?
01:50Give them more jobs.
01:51Keep them really engaged.
01:53You know what?
01:54It's a good point.
01:55Set up the ring and everything.
01:57Put up...
01:57I mean...
01:58You're on a team.
01:59You could do that.
01:59You could set up the equipment.
02:01You could draw the lines out there.
02:03I mean, there's lots of things to do.
02:05Yes.
02:06More hands equals less work for everybody.
02:09Make them earn that corporate housing, right?
02:10So, he goes out there, he plays well, and it...
02:15Wow, it gets a bunch of backup set.
02:16Okay, but if we're also saying he's a backup, a career backup, and he does well against other backups,
02:21then that's still a decent thing.
02:24Like, you're not making him your full-time starter.
02:28I don't think he'll ever be a week one starter for any football team.
02:31But if you want him as a backup, like, he just made your decision harder.
02:34So, because he made your decision harder, then we had to figure it out what we want to do.
02:38Because nobody wanted to give up Taylor Greene and 6'6", and the athleticism and all the other things.
02:43Like, there's something in there.
02:44When you're not a great football team, you're open to some of this other stuff.
02:48It's going to bring us another conversation coming up here at 6'20", as well.
02:52But, when it comes to Dylan Gabriel, I think a lot of folks just happen to keep saying,
03:00Oh, how convenient.
03:01And I went, No!
03:03Oh, and then I walked in, and then somebody said, How convenient.
03:07I went, Well, he did have to get an MRI.
03:09When did we know?
03:10To which somebody had said, Well, I think you just order up an MRI.
03:13If your doctor said you get an MRI, just go get an MRI.
03:16It doesn't mean you have an actual need.
03:18And I went, Well, wait a minute.
03:19Now we've got to have a conversation here.
03:21Well, hold on.
03:22When's the first time we had heard about the back situation?
03:25Today?
03:25Yesterday?
03:26Yesterday, when they put him on the back situation list?
03:29That's the first time I heard of it.
03:30When's the last time we heard about his week back?
03:33Since about a week back.
03:34Oh, okay.
03:37If yesterday was the first time we had heard it, how can you have any other conclusion
03:42than clearly this was the way to sneak him on and to keep him within the organization
03:47where it doesn't cost them a roster spot?
03:51I mean, why wouldn't we have heard from anybody that he had a back situation?
03:57I don't know.
03:58Had they been able to trade him, would he have passed a physical?
04:03Well, he needs a bacchiotomy, so no.
04:06Yeah.
04:08According to the MRI, it does seem to be a little bit weird.
04:16And I'm sure something like this has happened before.
04:19All right.
04:20Well, I'm trying.
04:21I'm trying.
04:21It does seem a bit weird.
04:23A conspiracy.
04:24It does seem a bit fishy.
04:25Like, I'm not, I don't know, are you even, in any of these conspiracies, is anybody insinuating
04:31wrongdoing by the Browns or nefarious activity?
04:34Well, I'm not.
04:35You have all the tools at your disposal.
04:37No, this is football.
04:38He has to agree to it.
04:39He could have just said no.
04:40I mean, you could always just do the Trent Williams thing.
04:42Well, absolutely not.
04:43No.
04:43See you in court.
04:44Like, you could do that.
04:45Right?
04:46You have agency over your own body, do you not?
04:50Because what's the worst thing that could happen?
04:52He gets cut and then picked right back up immediately by somebody else?
04:57What's, I, honestly, what, if you're Dylan Gabriel, is there escalators in the contract
05:02of the third round pick that I don't know about?
05:03Well, I was just thinking, given the state of affairs of these NFL quarterback rooms around
05:08the league, like you started the segment out off talking about, then this seems like this
05:13would be good for him either way.
05:15So if it's good for both parties, then fine.
05:17Yeah.
05:17Back injury.
05:18My back's sore.
05:20Knee tendonitis in basketball, they used to say.
05:22It's a four-year contract worth $6.2 million when he signed.
05:29So the cap hit would be 1.4, which is the drop in the bucket.
05:36But again, he's the one who says, Andrew Barry is the one who says that quarterbacks are
05:40currency.
05:40So I just don't think they're ever going to allow him to walk without making a trade.
05:46Well, if there's no trade available, okay, do you want yourself a situation where you're
05:51going to walk right into it, or what do you want to do?
05:53So there's goods and bads to everything.
05:55Like, hey, I can guarantee you the rest of this salary here, and then that's it.
05:59Because what's, I have to read through it.
06:01But so, I mean, there's average annual salary, 1.1 guaranteed.
06:06I mean, you're still making a base of a million dollars this year if you're Dylan Gabriel.
06:10That's nothing to fart at, right?
06:12So you still get your paycheck.
06:14Yeah.
06:15You're just on IR.
06:15You're on temporary IR designated for return.
06:19Because by the time you return, there will probably be a need at your position, and then
06:24either we could play you, because who knows what's going to happen here with this quarterback
06:28room, or B, we could facilitate a trade, and you get your money, and everybody's happy.
06:35Am I wrong?
06:36No.
06:37Tell me where I'm wrong.
06:37By week four, fire up those MRI machines again.
06:41Turn those machines back.
06:43A new guy in there.
06:44So the Taylor Greene part of this is, I think, what ultimately is the most interesting, because
06:49Taylor Greene in four months, four weeks, is going to come down with a mysterious back
06:53injury.
06:53So Owen was wisely asking on Friday, after the preseason game, where we saw him, his version
07:00of quarterback was, I'm just going to take off and run.
07:03Like, there was no anticipatory throws.
07:05I've seen worse versions of quarterback, so I'll tell you that.
07:07Well, there was just no attempt to, and how could he?
07:12He hasn't had a real camp.
07:14Like, and you're a six-rounder.
07:16And that's the one thing that Todd has been very upfront about.
07:19He's like, he doesn't get a lot of snaps.
07:21We don't give him snaps.
07:23Neither one of them got snaps before the game on Thursday.
07:25Yeah.
07:26And they went out there and played.
07:27So he's going to be, you know, he's on the 53, but how are you using him on game days?
07:36Like, what is going to be the designation to actually be able to take advantage of the stuff
07:41that you want him to do?
07:43I immediately, people started saying, well, you could put him in goal line.
07:45I go, well, if he's the third team emergency quarterback, you can't just put him in there.
07:49Right.
07:50Got to be on the active 46.
07:51Yeah.
07:52So are you going to keep him active and then put somebody else inactive?
07:56You, could you do that?
07:57I guess you could.
07:59But I would say like only one quarterback plays, but if he can play another position,
08:05what are you really going to do?
08:07Cause we're all right.
08:08Where's that?
08:08Where the hell are the, Oh God, this is just so painstaking for a team that most people think
08:13are going to win five games.
08:15Um, could you, what's the tight end room look like?
08:20You got three Carson, don't ask Todd about the tight end room.
08:23Harold fan.
08:24There's also one of those on the reserve list.
08:27Don't, don't you dare ask anybody affiliated with the Browns about why this player they
08:31drafted this, some mystery.
08:33Did Todd say something tight?
08:34He said, I'm not saying nothing.
08:36Yeah.
08:37What?
08:39What did he say?
08:40Yeah.
08:40Like a, like a, like a, how dare you?
08:42Like a bad guy in an old film noir procedural.
08:46You're not getting nothing from me.
08:49What?
08:50All right, play it.
08:51We got it.
08:52It's all one at what it says here.
08:54What do we got?
08:55This says, uh, not commenting on this tight end with question.
09:00Here we go.
09:01Do you expect Joe Royer to play for the team this year?
09:03What's that?
09:03Do you expect Joe Royer to play for the team this year?
09:07Oh, I'm not going to comment on that.
09:10It's almost like that answer leads you to more speculation.
09:16That was also Saturday, a full 24 hours before they said, he's on, he's on reserve.
09:23Yeah.
09:23The way he answered it makes you think, wait a second.
09:26I wasn't really paying attention to Joe Royer, but now I'm paying attention to Joe Royer.
09:31Okay.
09:33All right.
09:34It says non-football illness.
09:38Is he sick?
09:40I don't know.
09:41I don't.
09:42Who knows?
09:43Anyway, I think that anyway, if you have Taylor green at the tight end spot, if you put Taylor
09:52green at the tight ending goal line, what are you going to do with it?
09:55Yeah.
09:56Can you do that?
09:58Well, by the way, the goal, I keep hearing red zone, red zone, red zone, but the way he
10:02was running, it should be when they're in there inside their own 20 second and 25.
10:07Give him the ball.
10:08Give him the ball.
10:09Let's go.
10:10That's fair point.
10:12I want him with more room to run, not less.
10:14I want him to be caged.
10:17Rob's backed up inside their own one and here comes Taylor green.
10:20Although it did seem when he only had inches to go or it would have given the other team
10:24points.
10:24That's when he ran his bench.
10:26That's right.
10:27That would be even, that'd be, Hey, we saw what would be dumber tail and green on boot
10:30out of his own end zone or a flea flick around your own end zone.
10:33They said red zone.
10:34We've done that.
10:36They said red zone threat.
10:37They didn't say who's red zone.
10:39Which red zone?
10:40Kind of important.
10:42Fair enough.
10:43That's fair.
10:44Okay.
10:44But we got to talk about the star, the star again, second year running.
10:48Oh my gosh.
10:49Poor Luke Floria.
10:51Who.
10:51We will talk about him at six 20.
10:53You local guy.
10:55I will talk about him at six 20.
10:57More tweets about that guy.
10:58I, we will talk about him at six 20.
11:00I told you more than Dylan Gabriel.
11:02Yeah.
11:02People did not care about Dylan Gabriel.
11:04They didn't, but there is conspiracy afoot and so, uh, or a back.
11:08And you cannot just say Luke Floria when I had him specified for six 20, it could be
11:14the last time we ever talk about Luke Floria.
11:16No, come on.
11:17You don't know.
11:20So what was your initial thoughts of the 53 man roster?
11:23Clearly you care very much.
11:25I would say I'm really not budget on my win total overall.
11:30What was your win total?
11:31So I've said four or five, pretty much the entire time.
11:34You got to pick one.
11:35So now I'll say four.
11:36Okay.
11:37I'm still at five.
11:38I dropped one.
11:39When I, why did I drop one?
11:41I dropped one and now I'm at five.
11:42You saw a weather forecast.
11:44No.
11:45Oh yeah.
11:45No.
11:46I saw Watson play.
11:47That's right.
11:47No, it was the weather forecast.
11:49And I'd say, well, if he's going to start the season, if this is the best you got, then
11:54it's a five win.
11:55Okay.
11:55But if you would have said if Shador was starting week one, what would you have said?
11:58Would you changed?
12:01Based on what I've seen in the preseason, just everything, you know, I wouldn't have.
12:05But if, if I saw a guy go out there and struggle against the 13 bills and I don't care
12:11if he
12:11was playing with 13, he was just supposed to elevate everybody.
12:13He was struggling with the bills.
12:14He's going to start the year.
12:15Then I'm just assuming that it's going to be a five, one football team.
12:18Is that, that that's not out of bounds.
12:21I don't think by any means.
12:22I am, I am oddly enough, I am getting some optimism because of just Todd and young offensive
12:34linemen.
12:35I am actually, yeah, this is the time you want to be optimistic, but I am getting some optimism
12:41about the offensive line as far as just overall, like just seeing that you, you, you may have,
12:49I mean, the barber thing is starting to get me a little interested.
12:53Like what if they nailed that pick?
12:56Yeah, but all right.
12:57They may have nailed that pick, but I'm talking about now.
13:00I'm not talking about for the future.
13:02You know, again, we're talking wind totals now and you know, Tevin Jenkins is still your
13:06leader, but they're saying, well, Austin Barber's nipping at his heels.
13:10Great.
13:11That's great for there.
13:13Not now.
13:14That's not great for now, because that means that your starter, oh, probably in that very
13:18good.
13:19And I, and again, these are things that I'm not trying to like warn people, scare people,
13:24anything like that.
13:25A lot of this is just base common sense.
13:27This is how this is going to go.
13:29I'm not trying to startle anybody here, but when we talk about the roster, it's like,
13:33okay, well, you got to take something.
13:35I can be really excited about Austin Barber and I want everybody to be really excited about
13:39Austin Barber.
13:40But that also means that if you have a later round pick that's jumping up that great, you
13:45could very well have a diamond in the rough and that'd be awesome.
13:49But you also have a guy ahead of him who's really not filling the bill.
13:52And that makes it close enough for you to play a rookie who's not a number one or a first
13:58round pick.
13:59You understand what I'm saying here?
14:00So because of that, it should lead some pause to this year.
14:05If Austin Barber ends up being a 10 year vet at guard for this team and ends up being a
14:10good solid guard for 10 years, like that's a win.
14:12That's fantastic.
14:13That's awesome.
14:14Because again, I'm not worried as much about 2026 as I am about 2027, 2028 and beyond.
14:20That's what I'm more worried about.
14:22So I'm not going to freak out over, I hate to say it, like, yeah, there's going to be
14:26losses where they play crappy football.
14:28They let one slip through their hands.
14:29I'm going to get upset.
14:30I'll get upset with a lack of a, of communication or a lack of, of explanation from Todd Munkin.
14:36Like, yeah, some of that stuff's going to happen.
14:37But in the grand scheme of things, 2026 to me is just not as important as 27 and beyond.
14:43So when I say five wins, it's like, well, Ken, you got to give us a reason for watching.
14:47One, I've given you reasons for watching.
14:49It's just not on the scoreboard.
14:51I've given you guys that I've highlighted who I think could be good stories, good players
14:55and guys who are building blocks for the future.
14:58It's just as of right now, it's not going to come to fruition.
15:01At least I don't believe so.
15:02And guys, that's, I think that that's a fair thing to put out.
15:05I think that's, I think that's fine to say.
15:08You just, you got to get your quarterback situation figured out, but you can slot in
15:12other guys.
15:13So yeah, if Austin Barber ends up playing week two through wherever and ends up being a fine
15:17player, that's a win.
15:19So there's nothing bad, but in the, in the grand scheme of things, if I'm still talking
15:23about replacing a veteran as we get ready for week one, and I still have this, this mix
15:30of offensive linemen, free agents with one guy we're really excited about, who's a, who's
15:34a rookie in Spencer Fano, it still could lead to some confusion and problems, but you can
15:41say that it got better from one to two in the preseason.
15:45So hopefully their steps will be better.
15:47They're week one against the Jaguars.
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