00:00All right, dangerous one. Good morning, boys.
00:02When do the Browns ever look good when they lose?
00:06Oh, I know that we've...
00:09A couple years ago, well, not a couple years ago,
00:12they had that Brandon Whedon game where he threw for over 300 yards
00:14at a loss to Cincinnati, and we were all,
00:16oh, they look good and all that other stuff.
00:19I remember that day, vividly.
00:21Got caught under a flag, too.
00:23He did. Yes, he sure as hell did.
00:26Anyway, Daryl, your thoughts on yesterday
00:28before we really get into the nitty-gritty.
00:31Yeah, I mean, they made a conscious decision to play Deshaun Watson.
00:35I warned you in training camp, this is what he looked like,
00:39and that's what he looked like.
00:41It is what it is, and as long as they keep rolling this guy out there,
00:45this is what you're going to get.
00:47So good luck with that.
00:50Daryl, were there any positives that you saw from yesterday?
00:54From Deshaun? No.
00:55No, not, I meant in general, in general, Daryl.
00:59I mean, congratulations, you threw a late touchdown,
01:02it didn't matter, the game was over at halftime.
01:05Like, am I supposed to give you a victory lap for that?
01:07Am I supposed to give you a champion's pose,
01:10a standing ovation, a contract extension?
01:13Like, that was ridiculous.
01:15You finally get a good drive going to start the game,
01:18you throw right to the linebacker,
01:19which, by the way, we saw that 80 times in training camp.
01:23On the second possession, at least you got to punt after a three and out,
01:27despite Deshaun's best efforts to throw an interception on third down.
01:31I mean, it was so bad yesterday in the first half,
01:35punting was a victory.
01:36They got to third down.
01:38He should have had four turnovers.
01:40Got lucky with one fumble overruled by replay,
01:43and he, you know, recovered his own fumble on a strip sack.
01:48So, yeah, I mean, you were expecting anything different yesterday?
01:52I mean, I was just trying to be nice when I said they were going to cover,
01:55but I'm not the least bit surprised that that was the catastrophe that it was.
02:01By the way, welcome to Cleveland, Todd Munkin.
02:05Well, he's been here before.
02:06Yeah, well.
02:07During a real bad year.
02:08So, he's got, you know, at least he has some experience with it.
02:11I was just hoping you'd say something nice about, like, Austin Barber
02:13or something like that.
02:14Oh, well, you know what?
02:16Well, if you want to hear lots of nice things said about yesterday's game,
02:19go listen to the post-game show on our YouTube channel.
02:23Lance Rislin's got you covered.
02:25Oh.
02:28That a shot?
02:29Yeah, was that a shot?
02:31That is not a shot at Lance.
02:33I love Lance.
02:34But, I mean, he looks at it through a different lens than we do.
02:38He looks at it from a coaching perspective.
02:40Yeah.
02:41I look at it through a results perspective.
02:42So, I think that's why he and I work so well together.
02:45That was absolutely not a shot at Lance,
02:47but he did have a lot of nice things to say about yesterday's game.
02:52All right, Daryl, in your judgment by watching camp every day
02:59and apparently the preseason games didn't matter to Todd at all,
03:03I mean, considering who played well in the preseason.
03:06Maybe they should have, Anthony.
03:08Well, I want to ask you about that because all throughout, Daryl,
03:11you had maintained, it seemed, that both quarterbacks struggled with everything.
03:17They were struggling with the operations and everything.
03:20But, yet, in the end, Deshaun Watson won the job.
03:23Did you think that Shador had outperformed him?
03:29I don't know if Shador outperformed him.
03:30Boy, that operation yesterday was silky smooth, wasn't it?
03:33I mean, you just saw why Deshaun won that quarterback competition.
03:37I mean, it was crystal clear, blue as the sky, wet as water.
03:41I mean, there's just no doubt why Deshaun Watson won that quarter.
03:46Well, Daryl, the reason...
03:47I just, I would rather watch Shador Sanders play right now.
03:50I have no interest in Deshaun Watson.
03:52And yesterday was the perfect example why.
03:55There's no upside with this guy.
03:57There's nothing to gain from this guy.
03:59So why do you think he started him?
04:02Is Shador worse at that stuff?
04:04That's the only conclusion I can come to, Anthony,
04:07is that there's got to be...
04:09I was texting with a friend last night
04:10because they kept hammering me with that exact question.
04:14Why on earth did Shador Sanders not win this quarterback job?
04:17Why won't they start Shador Sanders out of the gate?
04:19And I said, I just said, look,
04:21there has to be something else that we just don't know about.
04:25I don't think that there was a tremendous separator on the field
04:30in training camp and in the preseason
04:33between Deshaun Watson and Shador Sanders.
04:35Preseason, Shador played better.
04:37Like, that's undeniable.
04:40So, yeah, I don't know why they made the conscious decision
04:44to put this guy out there.
04:45There's nothing to gain from this
04:47other than what you got to watch yesterday,
04:49at least with Shador.
04:50Like, let's say Shador won the quarterback competition
04:53and those were the results yesterday, right?
04:56You could at least come back and say with a straight face,
04:59hey, he's young, it's just his eighth NFL start
05:02and brand new offense.
05:05Like, there's so many things that you could say
05:08about that being such a disaster.
05:11I mean, statistically, yeah,
05:13Deshaun Watson looked like he played well.
05:15It's 16-22, over 200 yards,
05:17passing a touchdown to pick.
05:18His rating was over 97.
05:21Statistically, it looked good.
05:22But if you actually watched the game,
05:24he was awful.
05:27Now, he wasn't the sole reason
05:29that everything was awful offensively,
05:31but he didn't do a whole lot to help matters.
05:33And that's why you can't just look at a box score
05:37and say, hey, yeah, the Browns played well yesterday
05:40or the Browns didn't play well yesterday.
05:42You got to actually watch the games.
05:43And if you actually watched that game yesterday,
05:45that offense was very non-competitive in the first half.
05:47And by the time the offense was competitive in the second half,
05:51Jaguars took their foot off the gas in the second half.
05:54Okay?
05:54They really did.
05:55They could have won that game 50-3 if they wanted to.
05:59So, you know, I guess I'll take a page from Lance's book,
06:05and I thought it was a pretty good point.
06:06You know what?
06:07You had the big explosive at the end of the game,
06:10the touchdown to Denzel Boston.
06:12Maybe you can feel good about that going into this week
06:15and you're prepped with Tampa Bay.
06:16You can say, hey, well, we got a little something going there
06:18in the second half.
06:19We had an explosive play that we were looking for.
06:22The return game, the kickoff return game,
06:24was vastly improved.
06:26Special teams played well.
06:28Austin Barber played well.
06:30There were some other guys individually played well.
06:32Collectively, they were terrible as a team.
06:34But, you know, just a very disappointing debut
06:40for Todd Munkin's football team.
06:41Do you think, he didn't really answer the question yesterday
06:44when he was asked point blank,
06:45do you think that there's consideration at all
06:47that he would start Shador Sanders next week?
06:50I don't think so.
06:52And I understand why he answered the question the way he did.
06:56But, and here's what Todd's going to have to understand.
06:58He's getting that question until they get Deshaun Watson
07:00off the field.
07:01Unless Deshaun Watson miraculously plays better.
07:04Well, good luck with that.
07:06Yeah.
07:07I mean, in all seriousness,
07:09what did you see yesterday that tells you
07:11that this guy has anything to offer?
07:12Absolutely nothing.
07:13Okay.
07:14So, this is what it's going to be going forward.
07:17You're going to have to hope that,
07:19yes, the touchdown to Denzel Boston was a great throw,
07:22a great catch by Denzel.
07:24All right.
07:25Put the feather in the cap.
07:26But this goes back to what I was talking about
07:28when training camp.
07:29This is what we saw in training camp.
07:30Yeah.
07:30You get those glimpses from Deshaun.
07:33You got nothing in the way of consistency.
07:36You got nothing in the way of him demonstrating
07:39he can read a football field anymore
07:41or he can feel the game.
07:43I mean, he was in shotgun taking five, seven, and nine-step drops
07:48in the gun or the pistol, whatever the hell you want to call it.
07:52Okay?
07:52Like, what sense does that make?
07:55You're already five to seven yards behind the line of scrimmage.
07:58All right?
07:59So, why do you want to concede even more?
08:01So, he just, he, and this is a byproduct of now it's 20 games
08:05since he got here.
08:07Um, and he just, he doesn't have a feel for the game anymore.
08:11Like, it's, it's, it's apparent to me, but the Cleveland Browns
08:16are the only people, uh, the smartest, dumbest people on the earth
08:19that think that this guy can still play.
08:21And they're going to keep running him out there.
08:23And so, don't be surprised when you lose 34 to 10
08:26and don't be upset by it.
08:28Well, at this, at this rate, he can't come back in week three
08:31and play in front of these home fans, Daryl.
08:33Why not?
08:34Well, I mean, you think the Browns, you think the Browns care about the fans?
08:38You think the Browns care what the fans think?
08:40I actually, I actually do.
08:41I do.
08:42I, I honestly don't.
08:43I don't think the NFL cares about Browns fans
08:46and I don't think the Browns at times care about their fans.
08:48Well, okay, but they have to.
08:49That was an unserious performance yesterday.
08:52That was an unserious performance yesterday.
08:54Well, Daryl, I don't disagree with you, but they have to.
08:56Kevin Stefanski could have done that.
08:57The Haslams could have saved themselves a lot of money.
08:59They could have just kept Kevin Stefanski here to do this.
09:01Well, probably Kevin also was ready for a change of scenery himself.
09:05No, I know.
09:06Daryl, the reason I bring it up is because, you know,
09:09you could, they can say that they don't care about the fans
09:11or Todd Monk can't care about the fans.
09:13No, your quarterback is preoccupied with the fans and their reaction.
09:17So you're not doing well by your 53-man roster.
09:19If you go out there on Sunday again, and we know who he's playing,
09:24which that, you got to find the poetry in that, how poetic that can be,
09:28that he could possibly, the guy who he replaced,
09:31could end his tenure with the Cleveland Browns
09:33and then possibly with the NFL, to be honest with you.
09:36However, like, if he goes out there and turns in a performance like this
09:41on Sunday, he's got to be done.
09:44He's too rattled.
09:45He can't play the position anymore.
09:48He is, again, preoccupied with fan reaction.
09:50You cannot roll him out there.
09:52It ain't even about fans.
09:53It's about trying to win a football game,
09:54because I don't believe that he is capable of winning a football game
09:57or putting a fan reaction behind him.
09:59It is actually a bad football decision to start him
10:02if he comes anywhere near as bad as what he was yesterday,
10:05if he comes anywhere near as bad as that next Sunday.
10:08Ken, you're not going to get any pushback from me.
10:10I 100% agree with that.
10:11It is a bad football decision to start him next week in Tampa Bay,
10:14but that's what they're going to do.
10:15So it is what it is.
10:18And I honestly, I don't trust the Browns to show the proper common sense
10:24not to play him in week three.
10:26Like, what evidence do I have to believe that they would do that?
10:33You know what I'm saying?
10:33So they're committed to the bit.
10:36Like, that's what I feel like with this team and this organization right now.
10:40They're committed to Deshaun Watson and seeing if there's anything there.
10:43I've been telling you for months, there's nothing there.
10:46And yesterday was Exhibit A.
10:49The proof was in the results yesterday.
10:51There's nothing there.
10:52There's the occasional play.
10:53That's about it.
10:54Can't read a football field.
10:56Has no feel for the game.
10:58And, you know, so, like, that's what happens
11:02when you put a player like that on the field.
11:05And they're doing these read options with him or these RPOs with him.
11:11Like, I'm sorry, are you trying to get this guy killed?
11:14Like, to me, that's just stupid football.
11:16To use a Todd Munkin phrase, but the PG version of it.
11:20It's stupid football.
11:23The guy is coming off two ruptured Achilles and a bad shoulder
11:26and you're doing RPOs with this guy?
11:28How dumb can you be?
11:29Well, I don't think they're real concerned about his future well-being any longer.
11:34They're just trying to extract any morsel of whatever gifts or talents he might have left.
11:41And it doesn't look like there's very much in there at all at this point.
11:44All right, Darrell, we've spent this entire time talking about how bad the quarterback was.
11:49What if I told you I thought the defense was worse?
11:51Yeah, the defense was very disappointing.
11:53I mean, Trevor Lawrence just absolutely carved him like a Thanksgiving feast.
11:56It also didn't help, and this is where the complimentary football thing comes into play.
12:01I'm not trying to make excuses for the defense,
12:02but they basically spent the first half on the field in 100-degree heat.
12:06Now, they generated zero pass rush whatsoever.
12:09That's a problem.
12:10Trevor Lawrence, what he got, or what he wanted, I should say, he got.
12:14That's concerning.
12:16Four touchdowns.
12:17He made it look very, very easy against that defense.
12:21I am a little concerned all of a sudden, and, you know, the smart aleck in me says,
12:27well, I guess we found out that maybe, you know, the Browns defense isn't a bunch of world beaters.
12:32They were just going against the Browns offense for a month and a half, so that's why they look so
12:35good.
12:36But there are good players on the Browns offense.
12:39That's the thing.
12:40Like, there are very good players around the quarterback.
12:44So, but I was, I agree with you, Anthony.
12:47Very, very disappointing debut for Mike Rutenberg's group.
12:52Well, Jared Verse was somebody that people were.
12:56Did he play yesterday?
12:57I'm checking the box score.
12:59It was very shaky.
13:00He alluded to how many chips he had to deal with yesterday, and the numbers showed.
13:04He had three tackles and an assist, which was three more tackles and one more assist than Miles Garrett had.
13:09So, there's that.
13:10Take that.
13:10Okay.
13:11Lima.
13:11Lima.
13:12You wanted me to be positive.
13:14There you go.
13:14There's a positive statistic.
13:16He had a better box score than Miles Garrett did.
13:19Is Arch Manning still on your watch list after Saturday, though?
13:22Yeah.
13:24After that fourth quarter, right?
13:27I mean, thanks to Ryan Day for that implosion.
13:29Gotta have a, gotta have something.
13:31I gotta leave something with some positivity here, Daryl.
13:34You know what?
13:34We are watching these college quarterbacks on Saturday with very close eyes.
13:41Ken, doing a lot of channel surfing, a lot of highlight searching on the socials to see what these guys
13:48are all up to.
13:49Because, right, that's the pot of gold at the end of this rainbow, is that hopefully they come away with
13:54one of those guys next April.
13:55And we are not sitting here bellyaching about awful quarterback play.
14:00Well, we'll see.
14:01Daryl, thank you very much for the time.
14:03You bet, guys.
14:03Bye, guys.
14:04Bye.
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