00:00They got a little insight from Matthew Bergeron on the O-line and new schemes under Bill Callahan.
00:05Let's take a listen.
00:05I mean, it's going to take me back to my college days, obviously.
00:07I think it's going to be great for our running backs to be able to do some different stuff
00:11and mix it up for defenses and stuff and hopefully get B. John on the top of the rushing yards.
00:16And I think it's going to give us a good chance to mix it up
00:18and also just show what we can do as far as gap scheme-wise.
00:24Give me a minute.
00:25You okay there?
00:26Give me a minute.
00:27Give me a minute.
00:28I'm just telling you all, man, this is like when the old heads start talking about midline and veer.
00:35You know what I mean?
00:36Gap scheme, running back.
00:38I love it, man.
00:39Like I said, I've been daydreaming all day, talking about dropbacks, talking about timing,
00:46talking about under center, gap scheme, and things like that,
00:49and Bergeron talking about taking it back to his college days where obviously he was a tackle at the time,
00:54but they were able to do some different things in that offense, man.
00:56I get so excited.
00:57I want the details, and I know we'll eventually get the details on what that looks like,
01:02but my imagination just runs rampant when I hear a guy like Matthew Bergeron start to talk like that.
01:08The only problem that I have when he says it gets me up to my college days, I'm like, yeah,
01:13you're a tackle.
01:14This might be a little bit different for you.
01:16A little bit different.
01:17Of course, you could talk about that more than me of the differences is when you're moving around on the
01:23line like that as a tackle and as a guard, right?
01:25I mean, he's got different assignments, what he's going to be doing, but I do just – and I said
01:34this yesterday,
01:34and when we were talking about the contract stuff, I feel bad saying this, but I just think that Matthew
01:40Bergeron's going to fit anything that the new staffs are going to want to do
01:44better than the right guard that everyone gives all the flowers to constantly, and rightfully so.
01:51He's a good player, but I just think Bergeron's going to fit whatever they want to do better than Lindstrom.
01:56Yeah, I think that's definitely a conversation to be had.
01:59I think that when you've seen Chris Lindstrom on the front side of gap-scheme double teams, when they've been
02:05successful,
02:06a lot of that has had to do with Caleb McGarry and things of that nature.
02:10That's one of the reasons you've struggled in short yardage when you have, but I'm with you.
02:14So just to kind of compare and contrast a little bit, I would have – now, I don't know.
02:17I haven't watched the film of it to look for it specifically.
02:20I would guess that Matthew Bergeron probably pulled from the tackle spot in college a little bit, running counterplace,
02:26where both the backside guard and the backside tackle – the guard will kick out and the tackle will wrap
02:32up into the hole.
02:32But when I heard him talk about that, I thought more along the lines of he knows how to run
02:37gap-scheme double teams
02:38with a post player and a drive player and do those kind of things up front.
02:43Now, that's – you do some of the same things at guard that you would have done at tackle,
02:47depending on what the front is, but I think more than anything, it's probably just hearing the words for him,
02:52right?
02:53You hear whatever they're going to call it, you know, we've called it a million different things,
02:5833 power or whatever, you start to hear those things and you're like, oh, okay, yeah.
03:02This does sound like a lot like the playbook we had, you know, back in college.
03:06So, yeah, I'm stoked for it.
03:08What would be the most exciting thing for you guys to see?
03:11We walk out to training camp, you see – because you've been hearing them talk about these new things
03:15that they're doing, but we walk out and you see it, what would get you hyped?
03:18Like, I think obvious for me, the pulling guard more often, but I think more so than that,
03:30moving the pocket is what I really feel like we've lacked.
03:35We've run a handful of power plays over the last couple years.
03:38I would somewhere in the ballpark of seven, if I had to guess, over the last two seasons.
03:43But I would love to see the quarterback – I would love to see the spot move.
03:46And I think for an offensive lineman, that is such a necessity.
03:50If you just look at a guy like – just going to throw him out there, Myles Garrett,
03:54and you think that we're going to keep him away from that little spot of dirt in the grass
04:00the quarterback's standing on for five seconds, you've lost your mind.
04:03You know what I mean?
04:03So, being able to come up with different ways – and maybe that involves a pulling guard,
04:06maybe it doesn't.
04:07Maybe it involves play action, maybe it doesn't, bootleg and things like that.
04:10But just finding different ways to give the defensive front different looks
04:12on pass plays would be a huge step in the right direction for me.
04:17I mean, as far – it's not as much for me.
04:21I want to see certain guys running certain – like I want to see Kyle Pitts
04:26running some little drag routes, some little – like some plays that are designated
04:31to use what personally I think his skill set is.
04:34because it'll be really fun to see both quarterbacks under center and drop back.
04:40And I'm with Mike.
04:41I would – I absolutely – especially if – with number nine.
04:47I want to see number nine moving in the pocket.
04:49I think it fits him.
04:50I think they did a disservice to him, and I'm not sure if it was from him.
04:57I don't – I'm aware of this – not really sure where the whole thing started,
05:00that he didn't really move in the pocket much.
05:02But to me, it's one of his great – look at some of the throws he's made on the run.
05:08He's incredibly accurate on the run because of his arm strength,
05:11and for whatever reason, he's just – he's just pretty – he makes –
05:14so he can make those throws.
05:15It's a good skill set.
05:16So I don't know why we made him a statue at any point last year.
05:21And let me tell you something.
05:23If you think – if the response from somebody out there,
05:26and even if you might say, well, that's something that's on him.
05:30No.
05:31It's on you.
05:32You're the coach.
05:34You have the control of this.
05:36It's on you if you're in year 10, right?
05:38When you get to the NFL, you're going to assume that the guy coaching you
05:42knows way more than you do about what you need,
05:44especially a guy like Zach Robbins who played quarterback in the NFL,
05:47you know, T.J. Yates.
05:49And the fear there being that, like, maybe he just wasn't good at it.
05:52Maybe they were like, this looks like – you know, this looks terrible.
05:54We're going to veer away from that.
05:56But I would say, if anything, like, let's just say Michael Penix wins the job.
06:00And I know we're so far away from that.
06:02What do you think the book for different coordinators is going to be?
06:05As soon as they – as soon as you get to a situation where they are allowed
06:09to be blitz happy like a Tampa, right?
06:11You're going to look at Michael Penix and go, okay, I want to see if he can move
06:15and I want to see if he can diagnose what he's seeing.
06:17And until he proves me otherwise, I'm going to light up the blitz package
06:22every single down when I get a chance.
06:24Which is what Todd Bowles does anyway.
06:25Exactly.
06:26And that's – I think that Tua probably a little step in the right direction
06:31above that as far as having seen more defenses.
06:33But they are going to – because I do, and I've said it a number of times,
06:36I do think Michael Penix will be your week one starting quarterback.
06:38I don't know if he holds it all year, but I think he'll be out there.
06:40And I guarantee you every coordinator that he steps in front of,
06:44it is going to be one game plan.
06:46Prove me wrong.
06:47And you better be able to move and you better be able to diagnose
06:49and you better be able to get the ball out.
06:51And honestly, it's not going to be that much different if Tua's back there.
06:54Because what do you think is –
06:56For sure.
06:56If Tua's back there, I mean, this sounds really, really bad.
07:01Hit him.
07:02Hit him hard.
07:03Make him fill it.
07:04See if he gets up.
07:06Because he's got an – he's got a history.
07:08I mean, dude, guys, it's a contact sport.
07:11They're not out there trying to – they're trying to make you uncomfortable.
07:15They're trying to make you fill it.
07:18The whole thing with a quarterback is get his time clock off.
07:21Speed him up.
07:22And guess what?
07:23You hit him, that's how you do that.
07:25And we've seen – go back to that Pittsburgh game on Monday night
07:28back around Christmas with Tua.
07:31They had him throwing the ball – I don't know where he was throwing.
07:36It wasn't even – there was nobody even on that side of the field for the Dolphins.
07:40So when you get in these guys' heads, they've shown to kind of break a little bit.
07:45So they're going to do that.
07:47You've got to be ready for it.
07:49Well, I do want to point out, ask and you shall receive, Bo,
07:52because quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt did talk yesterday
07:55about how being under center is going to be huge this season.
07:57Oh, yeah, we have really three different dropbacks, not including play action.
08:02So we'll do it all.
08:03And that's another big thing we've worked on this year of getting Mike into a back
08:07under center because this system, we obviously love to run the ball from under center.
08:12I mean, we can do that with those guys.
08:13It just opens up everything else in the play action world.
08:16You just – look, man, I don't know enough to sit here about Alex Van Pelt
08:21and be like, oh, quarterback whisperer.
08:22I don't.
08:22But hearing his confidence in that answer, it just sounds different.
08:29And, you know, he's not the coordinator.
08:32That's Tommy Reese.
08:33But just hearing the difference between him talking and anything we would have heard
08:36out of Zach Robinson last year, well, yeah, he's doing the right things.
08:39You know, he's coming along.
08:40We're going to put him in a position.
08:41No, we have a system.
08:42You know, we have three different drops.
08:45We have – like this is how we go about things.
08:47It just sounds – Zach Robinson came here.
08:51He's a first-time coordinator, had been coaching for about five years.
08:54And it just – this just sounds like a little bit more prepared version going in.
09:00I just – it sounds good to me.
09:02Let's go.
09:02Yeah, I'm not going to sit here and bag Zach.
09:04I think enough people shoot, you know, attack him or he gets enough strays.
09:12The thing that I hear, though, you know, and Van Pelt is just the quarterback coach
09:16for whatever that's worth, but I – it just – he just – he talks with confidence
09:21about what he's doing.
09:24I don't foresee this staff changing what they want to do necessarily just to make someone comfortable.
09:33I think they're – and it's a little bit of an old-school approach.
09:36I'm a wholehearted believer in the fact that you figure out what your guys do the best
09:42and you work that into your system to get the best of everything.
09:48But I do believe right now they're – it feels to me like the offensive mindset of this staff is
09:56we're going to do what we do and see who does that the best
10:00and who can run that the best and who can – and then we'll adapt
10:05and add things into the game plan.
10:07But this is our base system.
10:09Figure it out.
10:10Get used to it.
10:11Sell it that.
10:12And then we'll – we'll twist things.
10:14But as far as the – but to me, the last group went out there and said,
10:19well, we just want you to be – we want to – we're going to build the offense around you.
10:23And I think that was a detriment.
10:26I think to me in the NFL, that can be a detriment to the players and to the team.
10:30Yeah, I agree.
10:32And again, I feel like we're still kind of climbing out of this, you know,
10:37Arthur Smith, we're going to get players that fit my scheme and only my scheme
10:42and we'll do the things that I want them to.
10:44And we're still kind of fighting our way out of that.
10:46So I just – I think that for the first time in a long time that we're going to get
10:51a chance
10:52to envision these players doing a little bit something different.
10:54And things that they should be good at.
10:55Chris Lindstrom should be great as a pulling guard.
10:58He is so athletic.
11:00He should be great.
11:01He should be great getting out in front on screens.
11:03We just do what we do.
11:05What is that?
11:06You and Dylan at training camp?
11:07Yeah, we do what we do.
11:08Yeah.
11:09Which, fair enough.
11:10I understand the guy's made a lot of money doing it.
11:12I just think that he's going to be put up to bat doing things that he should also be good
11:15at.
11:16And it's going to be fun to watch.
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