00:00All right, maybe we need to replay some of that audio from Alex Van Pelt, the quarterback's coach.
00:04We're talking about, you know, evaluating, you know, where they're at with Michael Penix Jr.
00:08And the one thing that we've been talking about from before the OTAs even started is that until Mike is
00:14100% ready,
00:15you can't really have a true competition.
00:16That was something that came out yesterday from the audio.
00:19And then we were talking about, you know, some of the footwork and says, to be accurate, you've got to
00:22have great footwork.
00:23But no matter who the quarterback is.
00:25So you and I said, look, you know, this is something we've been talking about.
00:28And we're not trying to trigger people because there are people that have an agenda.
00:32It's got to be Michael Penix or nothing.
00:34Like, that's it.
00:35That's their guy.
00:36Right?
00:36And I've said he hasn't shown you enough.
00:38And we said it's not his fault because they did some stupid stuff in signing Cousins and drafting Penix.
00:43So one guy was always going to be behind the eight ball.
00:45But then you went and got a rookie offensive coordinator.
00:48That did not help his development.
00:49We've said that's certainly not on Michael Penix Jr.
00:52So I think we've been fair and balanced.
00:54But these guys hear it another way, Carl.
00:55I'll start with the first comment here.
00:57From D, creative vision.
00:59Okay, D.
01:00Let that man develop.
01:01That's all.
01:02Everyone, please do yourself a favor and go listen to the full interview to get the right context.
01:07What do you think we're doing?
01:10We listen to the full interview.
01:12That's why we're presenting it to you so that we can lay it out and say, hey, look, it's not
01:17Dukes and Bell.
01:18This is what the coaches are saying about this situation.
01:20Why are you guys not talking about him saying Penix is accurate?
01:23Isn't that what you and everybody else have been saying?
01:24Van Pelt just debunked that, right?
01:27Well, not necessarily.
01:29Not necessarily.
01:31You know what he did say?
01:33I will tell you this.
01:34What's his name?
01:35D what?
01:35It's D dash creative vision.
01:38Okay, D creative.
01:40He did say that Penix has a strong arm and that when you have a strong arm, we know this,
01:46it stresses defenses.
01:47Elway, go through the history and the annals of guys with strong arms.
01:51You have to respect it because they can take shots that other quarterbacks can't.
01:55Okay?
01:56But he did say that.
01:57As far as the accuracy, guys, that's tied hand in hand with the footwork.
02:02The reason why Michael Penix has not had a 60% completion rate yet in his career is because it's
02:08tied to the footwork.
02:10That is what Alex Van Pelt is telling you.
02:12Go ahead, Mike.
02:13Oh, I don't want to read that.
02:14That'll make you upset.
02:15I'll read it.
02:15Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what?
02:17Money to the moon, 55.
02:18Carl is very two-faced.
02:20Money to the moon.
02:21You just made the list, pal.
02:25Money to the moon.
02:27This is why I say they have a narrative.
02:30Okay?
02:30They haven't said anything positive about Penix in months.
02:33They have to keep up the radio narrative.
02:35That's why they cherry-picked the Pelt interview.
02:37The reason I'm telling you all this is because I'm playing both sides so that I always come out on
02:41top.
02:41Let me say this.
02:42Let me say this.
02:43Okay?
02:44About this whole, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what am I two-faced about?
02:47Tell me what I've been two-faced about.
02:49I simply heard Tua be one of the, in one of the most honest interviews I've heard in a very
02:54long time.
02:55And then I said, let's give him a chance.
02:57All of a sudden, everybody piled on and said, Dukes, what are you talking about?
03:00We have to give him an opportunity.
03:02That's all I've said.
03:03I've not once said what my partner has said.
03:07I've not once said any of those things.
03:10I believe in Michael Penix Jr.
03:12I've not said that.
03:14So what are you talking about?
03:16Yeah, Carl, I mean, look, guys, all we've ever said, and this is where we, I don't want to repeat.
03:20I want you to read more.
03:21This is fun.
03:21The previous segment.
03:23So what should people think?
03:25Carl said he believes in Tua.
03:26So basically, he wants him.
03:28I want the best guy for the job.
03:31Mike keeps talking about his knees and the quarterbacks in the draft.
03:34Yes, because that's why other teams didn't draft Penix Jr.
03:37because of the injury history, okay?
03:40We want him to succeed.
03:42I just want someone to lead this team and be able to win and play great quarterback.
03:46And we've already talked about, now, after drafting him, we're going into year three,
03:50and we still don't know if Michael Penix Jr. can be a starting quarterback in the NFL.
03:54What's wrong with that statement?
03:55What part of that is unfair or an agenda?
03:57I also don't know that Tua can reclaim the ability and the things he was able to do last year
04:02before things went off the rails.
04:03Is he going to be the same guy?
04:05I'm very confident he is.
04:07Yeah, jiu-jitsu for sure.
04:10Now, we do have some guys that have our backs here, okay?
04:13Oh, that's good.
04:13Penix is getting the development he needs.
04:15You all have to admit, his footwork was not great.
04:17He is a natural passer.
04:18I'm 100% seeing him succeed, but he needs some tweaks and help with his fundamentals.
04:22That comes from Francis.
04:23That's the key.
04:24And by the way, I think more than anything, some of you who are hitting us up, and you can,
04:30at 404-726-0929, you know what you're most afraid of?
04:36That it doesn't work, and that this ends up being a situation where you're all in on it,
04:43and Mike, he ultimately doesn't become the star quarterback we need him to be.
04:49Right.
04:50That's sports, guys.
04:51It's the reality of where we're at.
04:53Nobody's cheering against him.
04:55As a matter of fact, when the kid was drafted, most of you who are saying what the hey right
04:59now,
05:00we're totally against the move.
05:02Right.
05:02You were totally against it.
05:03Now, this opportunity has presented itself, and he's got to work his way back,
05:07and all of a sudden, because we're not saying nice things, you have an issue with it.
05:11You're more worried, Mike, that this, you're all in on Penix, and if it doesn't work, damn it.
05:16Guys, let me be clear.
05:17I'm not trying to make excuses for Penix.
05:19That's D-creative.
05:20He says, if Tua wins the job, then cool.
05:22But what I'm tired of is this slanted narrative.
05:24What is the freaking slanted narrative?
05:27That the guy has not finished the season five of his eight years playing football in college in the pros?
05:32That's not a narrative.
05:33That's not a fact, okay?
05:35That's not an opinion.
05:36That's a fact, okay?
05:38That he had a partial MCL tear on a knee, the one he has not already had injuries to, that
05:45now he has to rehab from.
05:46And he can't do the same things that Tua is doing, and if he can't do the same things, how
05:50do you judge him to win the quarterback contest if he can't compete with Tua on the same playing field?
05:55How is that slanted?
05:57That's facting.
05:58But this is the crap that we deal with that drives me crazy.
06:01With guys that for some reason, they get in their fields if their guy gets criticized or they perceive as
06:07criticism.
06:07Because they're a fanboy.
06:09And I know people don't like to hear that word.
06:11But I don't know what else to say to you.
06:13We want to win playoff games.
06:15We want a winning quarterback.
06:16I don't care if it's Tua.
06:17I don't care if it's the guy they drafted from that jerkwater college in Minnesota.
06:20I don't care who it is.
06:21Jack Strand.
06:22Find a guy that can play quarterback and win us some games.
06:24We want it to be one way.
06:28We've wanted to be the way that it should be.
06:31Big O is in the studio behind the glass, data executive producing.
06:35You want to call us, let us know what you think, call us.
06:37Right.
06:37404-726-0929.
06:39You can tell us what you think.
06:41But you can't dismiss what the coaches are saying from Flowery Branch.
06:46And even though Kevin Stefanski has been very guarded, Alex Van Pelt was being honest.
06:53I don't have that in front of me today.
06:55Thank you, Coach.
06:56I mean, that's what I'm talking about.
06:58When I said yesterday, the answer's no.
07:00Is he playing in preseason?
07:01And you're stuttering around this.
07:02The answer's no.
07:03I don't have that in front of me today.
07:07Kev, just say no, he's not playing.
07:08And we can accept it.
07:09But because he's guarded with this, you're still trying to figure out, all right, Dukes
07:14and Bale, where exactly is this?
07:16And then the quarterback's coach comes out and says, well, he's doing what he needs to
07:18do.
07:19I mean, the footwork, we're working on it.
07:20We're working on it, Mike.
07:22Why?
07:22Because he needs it.
07:24Under center, well, he didn't do enough of that.
07:26Did I say that?
07:26Oops, I didn't mean to say that out loud.
07:28He didn't do enough of that.
07:29That's Alex Van Pelt.
07:30He's just good.
07:31And so when that information comes out, we're reacting and responding to it.
07:35And again, it's just, anybody outside of 285 sees this situation as Panix Jr. until
07:42he, you know, most people have a handle on this.
07:44You watch NFL Network, you listen to ESPN.
07:46Well, maybe not Stephen A., but most people have a handle on this, where it's going.
07:50You know, and if Michael Panix Jr. can bounce back, then we're all for it.
07:54Again, there's nothing against Michael.
07:56Have you heard our interviews with Michael?
07:57He's a wonderful person.
07:59Everybody's pulling for a young man, okay?
08:01He's also got guaranteed money, guys.
08:03It's not like if things don't pan out here, this guy's going to be out there, you know,
08:06with a cardboard sign, we'll throw for coffee or something.
08:08That's not how it's going to work.
08:10I think some people project their own personal lives into this thing as if it's a zero-sum
08:14game.
08:14And it's not.
08:16You know, even if it doesn't work out here, he's going to bounce around the NFL.
08:19Or he gets traction, wins the job, and becomes the Pro Bowl quarterback he was drafted
08:24to be.
08:24Period.
08:25You can't line up behind center because you'd have to bend your knees as much?
08:30We're working on it, Steven.
08:31We're working on it.
08:32But anyway, that's about as fair and balanced as I think we can be, my brother.
08:35Yeah, and here's the other part about this, too.
08:38You just mentioned something that I think is very important to the conversation.
08:42For all of you who are wanting, wishing, hoping that Michael Panix ultimately becomes
08:48the quarterback that we want him to be, he also has to live up to a standard.
08:53He was a top-ten pick.
08:55And Mike just said the Pro Bowl quarterback that he could possibly be.
08:59Like, it's not just being under center.
09:03It's results.
09:05It is the ranking and the standard of what people think about you and your peers in the
09:10league, Mike.
09:11And is he a top-five or six or seven quarterback in this league?
09:14And can he be that for a long time?
09:17Like, there's more to this than just, well, can he get under center and play?
09:21You were the eighth overall pick.
09:23We just talked about Drake getting his bag.
09:25You have to live up to the expectation.
09:27Bijan is living up to the expectation.
09:30So when he finally gets his chance, because he's only had 12 starts, when he gets that
09:34opportunity, there is something else there.
09:36It's not just, well, he won the job.
09:38Dude, you've got to win, and then you have to be consistent.
09:41And guess what?
09:41But that's how you start to make these jumps.
09:44But you just said it, and I think it kind of goes unspoken, Mike, where it's like, well,
09:47yeah, he'll be our quarterback.
09:48No, we need more than just the quarterback.
09:50No, guys, and again, there's no agenda here.
09:52Heck, man, we're not trying to rationalize, but we've made the case for guys like James
09:57Pierce Jr.
09:58and why he gets a second chance.
10:00We don't have to listen to the show, guys.
10:01We let things play.
10:02I love the line Carl always says, we go with what we know.
10:05Here's what we know right now before the 4th of July.
10:07That Michael Penix Jr. still can't throw 11 versus 11.
10:10When he can, then he can compete, right?
10:12Now, what happens, guys, if we're into August?
10:14Don't know.
10:14This is just a hypothetical.
10:16It's not an agenda.
10:17But if he can't compete when they're doing these scrimmages, right, against Indianapolis,
10:21for instance, Coach says, I think we're going to see, maybe, I'd love to see these guys
10:25in preseason football.
10:26So then we all get to see his fans, how far they've developed, and where they are in this
10:30offense.
10:30That would be the goal.
10:31All right.
10:32There we go.
10:32Sorry to get your dander.
10:33We'll see when we get there, I think.
10:35Hey, Carl, sorry to get your dander up.
10:37Yeah, no, I just, and look, we love the feedback.
10:40We love interacting with you guys.
10:42And you guys are passionate about it.
10:43I just think sometimes the passion is a little bit misplaced because you make it feel like
10:46we've got an agenda.
10:47No, I don't have an agenda.
10:48You know what I want?
10:49I want to go to playoffs, man.
10:51I want to win.
10:52Can we win the division?
10:53I want to be relevant.
10:55You know what I want?
10:56I want people calling Mike and I in December into January going, man, how good is this football
11:01team?
11:02Because we haven't had that in eight years.
11:05Right.
11:06Okay?
11:07Right.
11:08Guys, we're looking up, it's us and the Jets.
11:1014 years and then eight years.
11:12You know what you are when you're in the same conversation as the Jets?
11:14You're a bad franchise.
11:15Losers.
11:15That's why we've got to have faith in Matt and Ian and Stavansky and all these guys to
11:18get it right.
11:19But I do like the fact that Van Pelt kind of put it out there.
11:23I do too.
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