L'intervista di Francesca Fagnani a Teresa Potenza, testimone di giustizia ed ex compagna di Giuseppe Mastrangelo, esponente della mafia di Cerignola.
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00:00The next guest is called Teresa Potenza, a very brave woman who after having suffered every kind of abuse from her partner
00:09of unspeakable violence he denounced.
00:13But Giuseppe Mastrangelo was not just any man, but a feared and respected boss of the fourth mafia, that of Cerignola.
00:22And to introduce us to the story as always, Elisa Trucrae.
00:26Teresa Potenza met Giuseppe Mastrangelo when she was only 17 years old, he was 26 and promised her protection, a life
00:35new, a future different from the one Teresa had known up until that moment.
00:40But unfortunately, nothing he tells her is true. In his city he already has a wife, four children and
00:47above all a significant role in the Ofantina mafia, which for years controlled the territory between Cerignola and the
00:55Foggiano.
00:56For Teresa, the beginning seems like a love story, but within a short time it turns into a real
01:01a real nightmare, until he finds the courage to say enough.
01:05And that's where everything goes downhill, because Teresa, according to him, can't leave.
01:10Teresa suffers violence so brutal that it makes one feel sick just imagining it. A horror that Teresa will be able to...
01:19told only much later and his testimony will become one of the most important in the anti-mafia operation Cartagine, the one that
01:27will bring down entire sections of the Foggia organized crime scene.
01:31A choice of truth and courage that still forces her to live under police protection today.
01:37Thank you Elisa and good evening and welcome, thank you for being here, to Teresa Potenza.
01:45Good evening.
01:46Good evening.
01:47Teresa, she said, or rather wrote in her book, everything has been written about me. They called me
01:55Repentant, boss's lover, key witness, but I'm much more than a trial label. How would you define yourself?
02:04An honest person who gave his all and tried to bring justice.
02:16In fact, she said, I paid the highest price, I lost everything, home, job, security, privacy, identity.
02:25Now we will tell his whole story in such a way that we will make all the steps clear, but in the face of everything
02:31What he lost must have gained something, right? What did he gain?
02:36The chance to raise my son, free.
02:40Free?
02:40Free.
02:41Thanks to her, more or less twenty years ago, a very hard blow was dealt to the Foggia mafia, in particular to
02:49Cerignola, through Operation Carthage. Are you proud of what you've accomplished?
02:56I wanted to help these mothers who were seeking justice.
03:02Mothers of murdered boys, I guess, right?
03:05Yes.
03:07Mastrangelo, which is the name of Giuseppe Mastrangelo, which is the name of his former partner and who was the
03:13local boss, also the father of her son, and at the trial, Carthage trial, he said
03:20It's incredible that you believe her, a woman who has never understood anything about my life. She, during
03:27the trial, were you afraid of not being believed?
03:31No.
03:32Never?
03:33Because I think everyone knew who he was and who I was.
03:38Everything was said, right? He also said that she had made some statements that had framed him to take revenge on the
03:47the fact that he had never left his wife.
03:50No, the worst thing he said was that when you forget I will go out and kill you and
03:57your son. What he says has its weight, I mean, he is a person who has committed many
04:04murders.
04:05He once told her, "If you love me, kill yourself. You know that I am God, I create and destroy."
04:12as it seems to me.
04:14Yes, that was just before I managed to escape the last time.
04:21She has truly seen and experienced every form of violence. She tells me what is still in her eyes, what is still
04:31he cannot forget, among the many he has suffered.
04:33Or what did he see, huh?
04:35When he committed this triple murder, which I knew absolutely nothing about, he came home and he was all covered in
04:45blood, real living blood.
04:48And he laughed at me and said, What are you thinking? I've been out in the country killing pigs, haven't I?
04:55And maybe that's the thing I can't forgive myself for, that I touched that stuff, I mean I touched it and
05:01I was with a person I loved, I loved deeply.
05:05She's referring to an incident that happened in Cerignola. At a certain point, three boys disappeared, three young boys...
05:14over twenty years old, who were guilty of nothing other than having offered a coffee to the rival clan.
05:23These three boys disappeared and at a certain point she realized that it could have been her partner.
05:33from what?
05:35At first I didn't understand, because when he came home at night, he asked me to
05:42take a shower and give him bleach to wash himself.
05:46Yes, so I didn't understand.
05:48And it was, he said before, covered in blood.
05:51Yes, he was wearing actual clothes, there was fresh blood, dirty shoes, right?
05:56And in a very arrogant manner, which was typical of him, he said to me, go throw this stuff in the dumpster, right?
06:05And pass me the bleach.
06:07She said to me, but why? If you've been in the countryside killing pigs, it was true that the friend...
06:13He had told her that he had gone to kill pigs.
06:15The pigs instead referred to the boys.
06:17When we talk about Mastrangelo, about Giuseppe Mastrangelo, about his ex-partner, we talk about the mafia of Cerignola,
06:25he is part of the Coggia mafia, and we are talking about a particularly violent, impenetrable mafia,
06:32where in fact there are no collaborators, there are no witnesses of justice,
06:36mainly dedicated to the assault on trucks and armored vehicles specialized in lupara bianca,
06:43in drug trafficking and extortion.
06:47And, let's say, the control of the territory was a military type of control.
06:53What years were those you lived in Cerignola?
06:56The 90s were the years in which the war between rival gangs and clans broke out,
07:03because Cerignola, like those areas there, there is no mafia boss, there are many gangs and everyone is the boss of their own
07:13drums.
07:14And those were years in which they killed every day.
07:19During that period there were dozens of deaths per year, even with a macabre display of violence,
07:28On one occasion they even killed a person and played football with that person's head.
07:35I mean, I heard it said, yes, even to say, when there was the first repentant,
07:39that there was the expression, if I find him, I'll eat his heart.
07:44How did he do that? I don't know who he was referring to, probably other mafia figures.
07:50So imagine how I was able to live.
07:52Listen, all the wells in the Cerignola countryside were full of cadavers at that time, right?
07:59They threw them there, they made them disappear there.
08:03And she also said that at the beginning of her story she was isolated,
08:08you would retreat near the wells where he threw the cadavers.
08:13I discovered it during the maxi-trial.
08:18Unfortunately I discovered that where we were staying there were some cadavers in the well, in the wells,
08:26but also buried caskets.
08:31Anyway, let's say, before telling how she ended up in the arms of this mastrangelo
08:36who was called the blind man because he could see very little.
08:40He tells me what his childhood was like.
08:44So, I'm a child, I was born an unwanted child.
08:48It's as if I've always felt this sensation inside me.
08:54Because my parents were very young, children, teenagers.
09:00So from the elopement my sister was born and then my mother immediately got pregnant with me.
09:06My mom was like 13 when she had my sister.
09:10And my father 16.
09:11She said that her father was a violent man and that her mother did not want her, did not desire her.
09:22and that after his birth his grandfather died.
09:27And for his grandmother who, let's say, believed in a whole series of superstitions,
09:32that was a signal, let's say, he attributed to her the responsibility for the death of her grandfather's husband
09:39and in some way she was, let's say, branded, so much so that they threatened her continuously.
09:46We'll give you an adoption.
09:47Yes.
09:48Unfortunately, I lived my early childhood with this fear of not being wanted.
09:55My sister, yes, she was beautiful, blonde, chubby.
10:00I was skeletal because I had undergone, let's say, several abortion attempts.
10:06and I was born with many problems, let's say.
10:10But have you undergone several abortion attempts, voluntary?
10:13Volunteers, yes.
10:14Because they tried until the very end to prevent me from being born,
10:19Instead, I was born against everything and everyone.
10:22I came into the world.
10:23Listen, when she was still a minor they sent her to work,
10:29They send her to work as a seamstress in a garment factory, right?
10:34Yes.
10:34Were you happy at that time to leave home and work at the beginning?
10:39No, because I wanted to continue my studies.
10:44I have never been free in my life.
10:46Since I was born I never had a choice, so I had to choose to help my mother.
10:53to help me cover my father's debts.
10:56Of his father.
10:58Then something terrible happens, right?
11:00When she works there, she works in this factory where they make clothes,
11:05because her employer, who is an older man, abuses her.
11:11Not just me, but all the girls.
11:15That they were there.
11:16Yes.
11:18And for me that was a real moment of collapse,
11:23because I felt guilty.
11:27I mean, I was ashamed.
11:29Let's say I was subjected to...
11:31Aside from the violence, it was terrible, because I was bleeding terribly.
11:36But I didn't speak, but I didn't speak because he told me
11:41I tell your grandmother, I tell your father, right?
11:44And so the pain normalized, right?
11:48How old was he?
11:49I wasn't even 14 yet.
11:53One of the most painful things you've had to go through,
11:56because then in those countries there is such ignorance,
12:00which is almost the little girl, the little girl who provokes, right?
12:05Instead it was...
12:06It was violence.
12:07It was violence.
12:08But during the sentence, that is when I read the sentence a few years ago,
12:13it says that the lady, the girl, well I don't remember now,
12:17the lady was having an affair.
12:20What do you call a relationship?
12:23A little girl of...
12:24That is, they had written that she was having an affair.
12:26A relationship with the employer, but how is it done?
12:29No, of course, that's for sure.
12:30To say relationship, that is...
12:32But she didn't tell anyone about it.
12:35Yes, I talked to my friends from school
12:38and they took me to another country to a priest
12:43which was supposed to give me comfort, help me,
12:45because I wanted to get out, I wanted to save myself from this situation.
12:49And what did the priest tell her?
12:53The priest, I was with my hands like this,
12:56he took the hand, it was me and him,
12:58and he put it...
13:00It was really, let's say, a context from which there was no escape.
13:04That is, I went to seek help.
13:06and instead he said if this is abused,
13:09maybe I can too.
13:11and I didn't even have the courage to tell my friends.
13:14I mean, I said...
13:16I didn't say anything.
13:18By the way, she, right during the trial,
13:22finds out that she is having an affair with this employer
13:26who raped her was her mother.
13:28This was another hit that I discovered
13:32during the trial, the maxi-trial, right?
13:37That's what his lawyer tells me, that's right, he tells me
13:41but she was aware that her mother was having an affair
13:47with the working soldier.
13:49I was petrified
13:52and I pretended to...
13:54Not to hear it.
13:56That I didn't care.
13:56I say okay, but I don't care what my mother did.
14:00But whoever was there understood.
14:04I mean, it's impossible that my mother didn't understand.
14:07that I was being abused.
14:09And so this was an even greater pain.
14:13Because she realized that her mother knew and didn't protect her.
14:16Bravo.
14:18Years later, when she was already engaged to the boss,
14:24his former employer was at one point shot in the leg.
14:29And it was a matter of revenge.
14:32He was shot in the leg in revenge.
14:34Many thought, let's say, that the principal
14:37precisely for this reason that he had suffered it had been her
14:39being now the girlfriend of a boss.
14:43She believes that beyond her intention
14:46It is possible that Mastrangelo had acted
14:51on his own initiative?
14:54I don't know that.
14:56But there were other interests.
15:02The boss's intention was to ask for protection money.
15:07which he refused to pay.
15:09But then did Mastrangelo kill him?
15:12So, in the process it seems so.
15:14But I don't know.
15:16He never told me.
15:17And when they killed him, was it you who felt it?
15:22Fear, but not relief.
15:25However, with this past of his,
15:27she knows Mastrangelo, known as the blind man.
15:31But what had made her fall in love?
15:34Well, his person, the way he looked at me.
15:38I mean, you think I had...
15:42For me he was the first man,
15:44because I had deleted the abuse.
15:48So for me it was my love.
15:51I felt chosen, I felt loved,
15:54I felt important,
15:56even though I saw him very little.
15:58In fact she says we only saw each other three times a month,
16:02always at times chosen by him and always in secret.
16:06And this was because he was married,
16:09but she didn't know?
16:10No.
16:11These appointments were so rare, weren't they?
16:14That I was preparing,
16:16I put on perfume,
16:17I felt beautiful.
16:18Were you looking forward to it?
16:19I couldn't wait because
16:21he was the only person who drove me around.
16:25we felt...
16:26In fact, I remember the music of those times.
16:29What did he feel?
16:29Mango.
16:31For me it was like a movie,
16:32like a dream.
16:34For her?
16:34We were going to Gargano.
16:35But I didn't ask myself
16:36why this person...
16:38He sees me so little.
16:40So little, yet so far away.
16:42We always went this far, didn't we?
16:44When he understood,
16:45when did you find out he was married?
16:46One evening he comes to pick me up,
16:49we arrive at the exit of my country
16:51and there's a roadblock.
16:53give me the documents
16:55and says
16:56this car is registered in his wife's name
16:58and there my whole castle collapsed.
17:02When did she have the first perception?
17:05that that Mastrangelo,
17:07that boy was not a prince charming,
17:09although married,
17:10but was he a killer and was he a mafioso?
17:13When did you first have the perception?
17:16The last period.
17:18She understood it so late,
17:19but in your house there were drugs, guns,
17:22and he kept it all year round.
17:24Yes, but I didn't think he would kill,
17:26that is, he never told me
17:29I killed that one.
17:31This happened last period.
17:33But there were drugs in his house,
17:35there were weapons.
17:36So, he wasn't exactly a good person.
17:39No, no, the last period,
17:40but we're always talking about the last period.
17:41Did he understand it?
17:43Oh sure.
17:44Because at a certain point you go to live together,
17:46but he was married anyway, right?
17:48Living together was the house I was always alone in
17:51and he, when he did something,
17:55he would come there and take me...
17:57I was practically her perfect witness.
18:01His alibi.
18:02Excellent.
18:03And when she sees all that drugs in the house,
18:06all those weapons...
18:07I was studying how to escape.
18:09But what do you think he's doing?
18:11The high-level drug trafficker,
18:14the arms dealer.
18:15Look, he also did a lot of drugs, right?
18:19No, when I met him...
18:21No.
18:21Little, very little.
18:23Then?
18:23And then when the war broke out...
18:26Within the clan.
18:27Of the clan, it was a continuous,
18:30because he kept himself awake, right?
18:33With cocaine.
18:35Yes, because...
18:35Look, he made her try it too, she too.
18:38Yes, then, at the beginning,
18:40when I met him,
18:41there was talk of a few shots every now and then,
18:45because he said if you love me,
18:47if you love me,
18:48do it for me.
18:49Do it for me.
18:50Listen, you also get pregnant for the first time, right?
18:54And he loses the child, he loses it?
18:56No.
18:57Or was it a miscarriage?
18:58No, he ordered me
19:01to go and have an abortion,
19:03because he said,
19:05I am married,
19:06I can't have a child from a lover, can I?
19:10And she suffers from that abortion
19:12or was it his wish too?
19:15No, I suffered a lot,
19:17because I still remember
19:19the lights of the operating room,
19:22where I cried,
19:24I felt really broken,
19:27which I still tell myself today,
19:28I wonder if it was a male,
19:30if it was a female.
19:31Luckily it's there,
19:32then now we'll get there.
19:34Listen, she's telling
19:36what he had to do
19:37a whole host of things for him, right?
19:40For example, he went running,
19:42he was jogging,
19:43she walked beside him
19:45with the car,
19:46alongside him
19:47and with the gun in his lap.
19:49He had two guns,
19:50a drum one,
19:52the other automatic.
19:54Yes.
19:56He forced me to follow him
19:59while doing gymnastics,
20:00because he said
20:01that he had to train
20:02when he committed robberies.
20:04Yes, to run.
20:05And so I traveled
20:06with this window open
20:08and the gun on the legs,
20:11that in the event that
20:12there had been an attack,
20:14I could have passed her the gun.
20:16Pass?
20:16And she in case
20:17would he have been able to shoot?
20:18No, I'm just not capable...
20:22She at a certain point
20:23he can't take it anymore
20:24and tells him
20:25look, I want to leave you,
20:27I want to leave,
20:28I swear I won't tell anything
20:30of what I saw
20:31and what I know.
20:32And how does he react?
20:33What happens?
20:34I, let's say,
20:35I'm a case
20:36of shotgun blasting at Bianca failed.
20:37All right?
20:38Because in my opinion
20:39he had already planned
20:41in the head
20:42to make me disappear.
20:43Then he gets me into the car,
20:46takes me...
20:47That is, she imagines
20:48in the open countryside
20:49all dark,
20:50with wet earth
20:52among the olive trees,
20:54there are only the headlights
20:55of the machine
20:57turned on
20:58and he tells me
20:59browsed.
21:01I thought
21:03that the end has come,
21:06No?
21:07He makes me undress
21:08completely naked,
21:10makes me put
21:11on your knees
21:13and it begins
21:14with the gun,
21:15he puts the gun on me
21:16in the mouth,
21:17he puts the gun on me
21:18to the head
21:19and it begins...
21:20He was
21:22very excited,
21:23made of cocaine,
21:25he was beside himself,
21:27he said
21:27you who ask me
21:29whenever you want
21:31to take a shot,
21:32you want to leave me,
21:33you don't know
21:33who am I,
21:34I am God,
21:36I decide
21:37who lives
21:37and who dies
21:39here.
21:40You don't know
21:41what I taught
21:42I
21:43to the boys
21:45below me,
21:46I taught
21:47how they kill each other
21:48people,
21:49I taught
21:50how they are buried
21:51the people
21:52and those boys,
21:54do you remember it
21:55those three boys,
21:56I have been
21:57to kill
21:57those three boys.
21:59He confesses to it
22:00the triple homicide.
22:01The way he tells me,
22:02they were crying,
22:04I know it's hard
22:05say this thing
22:06for those who will listen,
22:08they were crying,
22:09they were shouting
22:10like rabbits
22:12they did.
22:14A
22:15he saw
22:16the other dies.
22:18The shit
22:19in the underwear
22:20they made themselves
22:21from fear.
22:22Let's talk about boys
22:23twenty years old
22:24killed,
22:25innocent.
22:25Yes.
22:26Listen,
22:27and then what does he do?
22:28What does he do to her?
22:28At that moment
22:29from fear
22:30I shit myself
22:32and he tells me
22:34now you understand
22:35that you can't go
22:36anywhere?
22:37Him
22:37he grabs me by the hair
22:41with the gun
22:42Always
22:43in hand
22:45then what does he do?
22:46Leave my hair,
22:48it unbuttons
22:49the zipper
22:50and he urinates on my face
22:52and he tells me
22:53you
22:54that you want to escape
22:55from me
22:55you deserve this.
22:57He says,
22:58you choose,
22:58what do you want to do?
22:59Do you want to be
23:00raped
23:01from my friends
23:02or I'll do it to you
23:03a disfigurement
23:04on the face?
23:07And I
23:11I had
23:12so much fear,
23:14so much fear,
23:18I thought it was
23:20the last moment
23:21but the torture
23:23she didn't stay there,
23:24torture
23:25it continued
23:26to say
23:27he took me
23:28he took me to the countryside
23:30he made me do it
23:31two,
23:32three kilometers on foot
23:33under the sun
23:34with the gun
23:35Always
23:35he took me to a passolare
23:37and he said
23:38what do I do
23:38I'll kill you
23:39and I'll leave you here
23:40he was a sadist
23:42of an unheard of violence
23:44from that moment on
23:45she
23:45she is a kidnapped
23:47that is, he closes it
23:48Where?
23:49In a house
23:49or in a hotel?
23:51In a hotel
23:52Where?
23:53Let's say
23:54outside Cerignola
23:55on the highway
23:57and I didn't have
23:58escape route there
23:59And
23:59that is, she was kidnapped
24:00it means it was
24:01locked?
24:02I was closed
24:02in this room
24:03and I had the chain
24:05that is, this window
24:07I had
24:08it overlooked a field
24:09of olive trees
24:10No?
24:11And I
24:12I got down on my knees
24:13there
24:14and I started praying
24:15I didn't have
24:16escape route
24:17because that
24:18it was a hotel
24:18that was underneath
24:19the restaurant
24:20and above
24:21there were other people
24:23who did not live
24:24like me
24:25but maybe
24:25he was the lover
24:26of someone
24:27it was a hotel
24:28that they used
24:29to get their back
24:30no one saved me
24:32Nobody
24:33she never went out again
24:34from that room
24:35I told him
24:36since you
24:37you confessed to me
24:38that you killed
24:39the people
24:39you can also me
24:40kill right now
24:42you don't touch me anymore
24:43she was closed
24:44in this room
24:45hotel
24:46where he never went out
24:47I never went out
24:48I was kidnapped
24:49he came to pick me up
24:50who brought her food
24:52I had become
24:53skeletal
24:54I never ate
24:56it was just him
24:58that could bring her
24:59to eat
24:59Yes
24:59only him
25:00and what happens?
25:02in the morning
25:03he introduced himself
25:05there
25:05I had seen
25:07he had a dirty nose
25:08of cocaine
25:10and of blood
25:11I from despair
25:13I looked at it
25:14and I told him
25:15but you saw yourself
25:16in the mirror
25:17what have you become?
25:18what have you become?
25:20he looks at me
25:22and what does he tell her?
25:23he says
25:24you wait
25:25what time
25:26in the afternoon
25:27return
25:28he's back
25:29and how
25:30are you back?
25:31he's back
25:32he had the whip
25:34he had a club
25:35baseball
25:36and it hit me
25:38I don't know how many times
25:40the massacred
25:41of blows
25:42when he does this to me
25:44let's say
25:44it tortures me
25:45with this whip
25:47and this stick
25:48this club
25:49baseball
25:50he rapes me there
25:51he rapes me
25:53twice
25:54and I get pregnant
25:56right away
25:56because then
25:57it's the only time
25:58the last time
26:00it was violence
26:01it wasn't the relationship
26:02it was a real rape
26:03because I
26:04he tore my hair out
26:06he has me
26:07he massacred her
26:08he massacred me
26:09I had
26:10how old was he?
26:12I had
26:12I hadn't yet
26:1328
26:1427 years old
26:15and there
26:16she succeeds
26:17Meaning what
26:18how does he manage
26:19to free oneself
26:19of that man
26:20at a certain point
26:21she
26:21to this hell
26:23from this hell
26:24he manages to get out
26:25I'm staying
26:26paralyzed
26:27for days there
26:29from pain
26:29Why
26:30she was massacred
26:32I had
26:32the ribs
26:33routes
26:35I had the jaw
26:36moved
26:37I had the ear
26:39cut
26:40the lip
26:40that I
26:42was hanging
26:42she has never had
26:44someone
26:45who to ask for help?
26:47No
26:47but I have never
26:48I did everything
26:49alone
26:50I had
26:50that is, that pain
26:52that
26:54violence
26:55he brought me
26:55to become
26:56very strong
26:57in fact I wanted to ask her
26:58how do you resist
27:00physically
27:01and psychologically
27:02to a situation
27:04so unthinkable
27:05praying
27:06and I think
27:07that all those prayers
27:09that I did
27:10on your knees
27:10in front of that window
27:11with the chain
27:12where I said
27:14God save me
27:16save me
27:17and it happened to her
27:19That
27:20the girl
27:22of cleaning
27:23I called her
27:24the blond angel
27:25as
27:26Why
27:27there was a person
27:28that was coming
27:28to do some cleaning
27:29No
27:29No
27:30it was a coincidence
27:32I don't even know
27:33open
27:34this open person
27:35she entered
27:36he found me massacred
27:37for you
27:38maybe he had heard
27:39the noises
27:40I don't even know
27:41this girl
27:42why did she come in
27:43maybe he had heard the noises
27:44No
27:44In my opinion
27:45everyone knew
27:46everyone knew
27:47because they felt
27:48scream
27:49I was screaming
27:50I wasn't there at all
27:51in silence
27:51but nobody
27:53he was speaking
27:54no one reported
27:55and what happens
27:57this little girl
27:58I tell him
27:59that I have been
27:59raped
28:00then I
28:02I get down on my knees
28:03in front of her
28:04and she says
28:05save me
28:05and she tells me
28:07No
28:07don't ask me this
28:08because I'm scared
28:09save me
28:10I told him
28:11help me
28:11and she tells me
28:12no
28:13I don't remember now
28:15if the next day
28:15after a few days
28:17I hear the door opening
28:18and he tells me
28:20run
28:21let's go away
28:23and there it was
28:24it is his salvation
28:25she manages to get out
28:26from that room
28:27and there it happens
28:28one thing
28:29thanks to this girl
28:30yes for me it was
28:30my blond angel
28:32the most heartfelt
28:33the most reviewed
28:33I don't know anymore
28:34I hope
28:36I hope
28:37Truly
28:37that no one
28:38I did it to him
28:38of evil
28:39because she doesn't know
28:40the good
28:41what he did to me
28:42and to my son
28:43because then I am
28:44in the moment
28:45where we escaped
28:47where did you go
28:48you took
28:49you went
28:49from the station I am
28:50before arriving
28:51at the station
28:52in the moment
28:52in which she
28:53he turned
28:54because I was hidden
28:55in the trunk
28:56and I looked
28:57I was spying
28:58outside the outside
29:00the machine
29:02that she was driving
29:03she crossed paths
29:03with that of the boss
29:04who was coming to pick me up
29:06with two people
29:07who were the people
29:09who buried the corpses
29:10and there I understood
29:11that it was over
29:12and at that point
29:13where are you going
29:14she takes a train
29:15let's go to the station
29:16and leaves me there
29:17gets on the train
29:18and where is it going?
29:19he knows
29:19Rome
29:20in Rome
29:21in Rome
29:21finally she
29:22arrives at a hostel
29:24then he goes to a convent
29:25then finally
29:26in a community
29:29in a family home
29:30where they have her visited
29:32where they provide care for her
29:34and where
29:35you listen there
29:36for the first time
29:36my son's heartbeat
29:38everyone crying
29:39because the doctor
29:41when he sees me
29:41he says
29:42this child
29:44he really wanted to be born
29:45because in the conditions
29:46where is this girl
29:48it's almost impossible
29:50survive
29:52survive
29:53Yes
29:53and then instead
29:54we were all crying
29:56so much so that
29:56his child
29:58despite his condition
30:00she is skeletal
30:01who is very thin
30:01then he will be born
30:02very healthy
30:04and four
30:04child
30:04Beautiful
30:05Beautiful
30:06he is proud
30:07his son
30:08of a mother like that
30:09At that time
30:10my son loves me
30:12as I love him
30:13but he never has
30:15wanted to know
30:16of the father
30:18of history
30:20and that's one thing
30:21that he did to me
30:23suffer a lot
30:24because I couldn't
30:27tell
30:28my land
30:29my family
30:30not even with my son
30:32and once
30:32she told me before
30:33what did he do to her
30:34a painful question
30:35No?
30:36Yes
30:36the only questions
30:37what my son did
30:38in 30 years
30:40if the father
30:41he had green eyes
30:42if the father
30:43he had worn a moustache
30:46and then he asked me
30:47one thing
30:47that has me
30:49Truly
30:50maybe the only thing
30:51that broke me
30:52Truly
30:53he asked me
30:55if I
30:56he had been wanted
30:57or I had been
30:59forced to have it
31:00I told him
31:01you were born
31:02because I have always loved you
31:03and then he
31:04he hugged me
31:05and there
31:06we started crying
31:08but he never asked
31:09more else
31:10No
31:11listen
31:12that was felt
31:13to be a free woman
31:16Handsome
31:17and he was always afraid
31:19I felt more
31:21I was saying at the end
31:22if he finds out
31:23that I
31:24I didn't speak
31:25I'm raising this son
31:27yes he can be angry
31:29but maybe
31:30it won't kill me
31:30it won't kill me
31:31but I always
31:32very careful
31:33I
31:33he had trained me
31:35so to look
31:36always around
31:37listen
31:38then one day
31:39an investigator
31:41of the DIA
31:42he approaches her
31:44a machine
31:45he followed me
31:46I noticed it
31:47and tells her
31:48look
31:49the father of her son
31:50is involved
31:51in an investigation
31:52very important
31:53for very serious facts
31:54and invites them
31:56to speak
31:57to collaborate
31:58I took
31:59of the messengers
31:59to think
32:00I was wondering
32:02if it were right
32:04ruin me again
32:06life
32:07because she was just
32:08escape from hell
32:09Good
32:10and in the end he decides
32:12I am
32:13taken this responsibility
32:17to tell
32:18and she from that moment on
32:20he told everything
32:21and it was
32:22a fundamental impulse
32:24for that operation
32:25Carthage
32:25which was
32:26the largest
32:27mafia operation
32:28in that territory
32:29so much so that
32:29I repeat
32:30we remember it
32:31they arrested
32:33more than 60 people
32:35with 15 ergazzoli
32:36and 800 years
32:37in prison
32:38she
32:39when she arrived
32:40the first sentence
32:43who said
32:44who thought
32:45it was terrible
32:48because he had
32:48more fear
32:49what a joy
32:50I was more scared
32:51what courage
32:52no courage
32:53she has it
32:53and he has it regardless
32:54but at that moment
32:55I supposed
32:56of retaliation
32:58I had
32:59of threats
33:00publicly
33:01that he
33:02when it would come out
33:03and then went out
33:04he said it
33:04he would have killed me
33:05and then
33:06anyway I had
33:07fear
33:08remains
33:09in her opinion
33:10him
33:10if it ever happens
33:12listen
33:12this interview
33:13maybe he'll give it to her
33:14they report
33:15what do you think?
33:18Surely
33:19he will get angry
33:19but I
33:20since I have faith
33:22I hope he
33:23because he is free
33:25he is free
33:26Certain
33:26I hope he
33:28one day
33:28he repents
33:29from all that
33:31what he did
33:31but I think
33:32that will be impossible
33:34she
33:34he did a lot
33:36for the State
33:37No?
33:39had
33:40recognition
33:41for that
33:42what he did
33:42who hoped
33:43Right?
33:44let's say that
33:45the State
33:48he capitalized on me
33:50but
33:51but the State
33:51then at a certain point
33:52abandons you
33:54it's no longer close
33:55to you
33:55she says it
33:56because she
33:57it wasn't
33:58recognized
33:59as a victim
34:00innocent
34:01of the mafia
34:02which is a status
34:03which would allow her
34:05a protection
34:05No?
34:07different
34:08also a protection
34:09economic
34:09Meaning what
34:10a pension
34:11an indemnity
34:12etc.
34:13and then
34:13so when
34:14I signed
34:15they made me
34:16sign
34:17a kind of contract
34:19it was written
34:20two lines
34:21it was written
34:21that the State
34:22he would have given me
34:23a dignified life
34:24so the State
34:26in case
34:27my specific
34:28it had to be
34:29take care
34:30why I gave up
34:30to everything
34:31at work
34:32to the house
34:32anyway she
34:33let's say that
34:34above all
34:35beyond that
34:36to whom
34:36he gave up
34:37he exposed
34:38again
34:39his life
34:40to some possible ones
34:42repercussions
34:43so this is the gesture
34:44bigger
34:44that she did
34:45she and her son
34:46he has serenity
34:47of a woman
34:49free
34:50Today
34:50inside me
34:52I have peace
34:53Surely
34:54what he wishes
34:56his son
34:57for his life
34:58to be happy
35:01and not to commit
35:02my mistakes
35:05his mistakes
35:06Yes
35:06because anyway
35:07let's say
35:08I was a little girl
35:10she was a little girl
35:12I was unconscious
35:13for some things
35:15but she was in love
35:16let him be acquitted
35:17let him be acquitted
35:18Thank you
35:19listen
35:20and what
35:21she would like it
35:22that his son
35:23said about her
35:24says mom
35:25you are unique
35:25mom
35:26you are
35:27a force
35:28of nature
35:29and he's right
35:30says mom
35:31you are very strong
35:32you are very strong
35:33who asks
35:34in prayers
35:36of a day
35:38at the end of life
35:39to be close
35:41to him
35:41to be close
35:43to God
35:43Yes
35:44because it helped me
35:45was
35:45the only one
35:48person
35:48let's call her a person
35:49that helps him
35:50very, very good
35:51Thank you
35:51Thank you
35:52thanks to her
35:53because he gave me
35:54this possibility
35:55and I am very grateful to her
35:56I to her
35:58Thank you
35:59Thank you
36:00Thank you
36:00Thank you
36:00Thank you
36:00Thank you
36:00Thank you
36:00Thank you
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