In questa puntata si riaccendono i riflettori su un cold case inspiegabile, quello di Pasqualina Labarbuta, accoltellata al cuore in pieno giorno su una panchina di un giardino pubblico, poco lontano dal suo posto di lavoro.
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00:16There are lives marked by destiny, like that of Pasqualina la Barbuta.
00:21Pasqualina is 37 years old, a beautiful woman with three children, with whom she is madly in love.
00:28While the story with the father of these three children is over.
00:33Pasqualina hasn't had a fortunate life and to support these three children she makes do as best she can.
00:42But for some time he has found a small, occasional job for the municipality of Milan.
00:49She works as a doorman in council houses.
00:54On May 6, 2009, for his lunch break, he decided to go to a small park
01:03which is located on the northern outskirts of the city.
01:07It is a garden surrounded by buildings, housing projects and shopping centres.
01:13He arrives and sits on a bench.
01:17It's a beautiful day and Pasqualina loves sunbathing.
01:23And then he lies down on that bench.
01:26While she is lying down, suddenly, a man approaches her.
01:34118.
01:35Look, I need an ambulance right now.
01:37Where?
01:38So, via Mario Borsa, corner by Alex Visconti.
01:41Yes, what happened?
01:42Look, there's a girl here in the park on the bench who I think is, I don't know, she's covered in blood,
01:47I think she was stabbed.
01:49If you call her, does she answer?
01:52I don't think so, it's the one lying on the bench.
01:54Okay, where is the blood leaking from?
01:56Look, she's dirty, practically next to the piece, she's breathing hard.
02:01We're coming, ma'am, hello.
02:02Greetings.
02:03Greetings.
02:25Good evening and welcome to Detective.
02:27Detective is the new Rai 2 program, created in collaboration with the Police
02:33of State.
02:34At Detective we will tackle solved and unsolved cases.
02:40And this evening's case is an unsolved one.
02:43Pasqualina Labarbuta was murdered 12 years ago, but the culprit has not yet been found.
02:50found.
02:50For this reason we return to this case and ask for your help.
02:57Who knows, speak up, come forward.
03:00But let's go back to that May 6th, 2009.
03:04It's lunchtime, in this park on the northern outskirts of Milan, on a bench,
03:11Pasqualina Labarbuta is at the end of her life.
03:14But a woman saw everything and called 911.
03:18While the ambulance is arriving, he makes another phone call to you.
03:23This time to the Police.
03:34Do 13, operator 6.
03:35Yes, listen, you can come.
03:37There's a girl here.
03:38I already called the ambulance.
03:40I think she was stabbed.
03:41Stabbed, ma'am?
03:42Look, Via Mario Borsa, corner of Via Alex Visconti.
03:45One moment.
03:47So, what did you see, ma'am?
03:49So, I was away with the dog.
03:51Yes.
03:51This guy who also passed by me, he was a guy in a white jacket.
03:55From afar, I don't know what he did to her.
03:57She let out a scream.
03:59He just ran away like a rocket.
04:02Which way did he go, ma'am?
04:03He went towards Via Alex Visconti.
04:05He ran away that way there.
04:08Are you sure she was stabbed, yes?
04:10Eh, I don't know, look.
04:11Are you bleeding from where, ma'am?
04:13He has blood here on his chest.
04:15He has some blood on his chest and some on his neck.
04:17He doesn't speak, he doesn't respond at all, he's breathing with difficulty.
04:19He's breathing hard.
04:20Now I'm also calling the ambulance, ma'am.
04:22Okay, thank you very much.
04:23Listen, pick up the phone nearby, because if I have to call you back, otherwise I don't know how to call you back.
04:27All right?
04:28Yes.
04:32This lady had been the only important witness.
04:36He also asked her the question, but in addition to Pasqualina and Barbuta and the man he met,
04:43There were other people inside the park.
04:45At that time, which was about 1 o'clock, a weekday ago,
04:49she says there was a Chinese girl who was reading a book
04:52and another elderly person with another dog walking like me.
04:57But I met them in an area where it was impossible for them to see what had happened.
05:09That morning I arrive here and find a classic scene of a murder that has just occurred.
05:16So the police cars have already cordoned off this entire area.
05:21The body is still here because it has yet to be examined by the coroner.
05:26When we arrive on site, the crime scene has already been cordoned off by the first responders.
05:32On the bench the victim's body was composed and covered by a white coat.
05:43This is the Gallaratese neighborhood, which is a neighborhood that mixes a lower middle class situation with public housing.
05:53Generally speaking, local crime is Italian crime, we could say.
05:58So a fairly historic crime, but not of a high level.
06:03This is also why it is not an area of violent street attacks.
06:08About fifteen meters away from this bench, proceeding towards the street, he had already been found and identified by
06:18a signal a knife.
06:21It was a typical Sardinian steak, half-open, with the blade covered in traces of blood.
06:34Doctor Ananias, good evening.
06:36Good evening.
06:37In 2009, she was head of the Milan homicide section.
06:43That day, at lunchtime, this dramatic phone call arrives at 113, therefore at the police station on Via Fatebene Fratelli.
06:54What are you doing right now?
06:56Obviously we reach the place where the murder took place and we begin to reason on what the objective elements are,
07:06the first elements we must evaluate.
07:11I am a woman stabbed on a bench in broad daylight in a public park, a park frequented by many people, by
07:20people who stay there for their lunch break rather than take the dog for a walk.
07:26Once we got there, we asked the person who had seen and called 113 to reconstruct exactly what happened.
07:35he had seen, the first testimony.
07:37The lady reconstructs the dynamics of the event, or at least what she saw, but above all we focus on one question,
07:44that is, a description of the perpetrator of the murder.
07:47The lady actually gives a description and we are therefore able to make an identikit, as is done in these cases.
07:57I have the identikit right here in front of me.
08:02This is the figure of the man that the lady who called 113 describes to you.
08:14What do you do with these images?
08:19This description that the lady gives us of this man of 35-40 years old, medium build and height, dark
08:28hair, receding hairline,
08:30this image is distributed, therefore it is broadcast on television, it is also evidently delivered to the printed press,
08:37It's published and so we're waiting for someone to give us some guidance.
08:41In fact, someone shows up to provide what he thought was a useful lead to the investigation.
08:51In particular, there are two citizens who lived in a building where Pasqualina worked as a concierge.
08:58and they report having identified a person, or they think that a person who was talking to Pasqualina,
09:06could actually correspond to that identikit.
09:09Unfortunately, however, this trail is exhausted, we have no confirmation of this testimony.
09:17In short, the identikit doesn't get you very far.
09:21It's 2009, we're in Milan, there are lots of surveillance cameras.
09:27Can you find out something from some identified images, a person who is in the park, who is walking away.
09:40At the time, there were no cameras in the park.
09:44As always in these cases, we carry out a check with respect to the routes that this person may have taken.
09:53and we spot a camera, a camera at the San Leonardo metro station.
09:59We buy the images, but unfortunately we cannot get any information even from viewing those images.
10:05which will allow us to develop our investigation activity.
10:09Let's go back to that little park, to that bench and to the investigations that are immediately carried out by his men.
10:18What do you find? What do you discover?
10:21The most important element is the discovery of the murder weapon.
10:26A few meters from the bench, about ten meters, we find a knife, a Sardinian pattada, soaked in blood, dirty with
10:33blood, half open.
10:37Here it is.
10:40What's so special about this knife?
10:44This is a special knife, in the sense that it has a free blade.
10:48You have to know how to use it, because if you don't know how to use it you risk hurting yourself.
10:54Does the knife you find have the fingerprints of the person who just used it?
11:00Unfortunately not.
11:01On the other hand, it depends on how the knife was held.
11:05If I hold the knife like this, I leave a mark.
11:09But if I hold it like this, I don't leave any fingerprints, or at least I don't leave any useful ones.
11:15Because the fingerprint, to be useful, must meet certain characteristics.
11:21Technically there must be 19 points of correspondence with the footprint you want to compare.
11:27And he gives it.
11:28You can find a knife like this a short distance from the bench.
11:35There are no fingerprints, but there is blood.
11:38That blood is the victim's.
11:40The killer threw it.
11:44But he throws it away because he knows it didn't leave any fingerprints.
11:50Maybe he was wearing a pair of gloves.
11:51Or he throws it away for another reason.
11:56In the immediate aftermath, we imagine that the murderer left the knife because he was running away.
12:05Because he's probably panicking.
12:09Let's assume it was an occasional gesture, more casual than anything else.
12:16And then once he realized what had happened, he ran away and abandoned the knife.
12:24He leaves it, he throws it away.
12:29According to initial information from the police, the woman was on her lunch break.
12:32It was her first day on the job as a concierge.
12:35Was he there this morning?
12:36It was practically there.
12:38Here, here, here.
12:39The Milan Flying Squad is searching for the killer.
12:41There doesn't appear to have been an argument.
12:43Robbery would also be ruled out.
12:44Bags and money found.
12:46The autopsy is pending, and in the meantime acquaintances are being interviewed.
12:49But the profile seems to be that of a woman without many friends.
12:52He lived in a building with his mother, three children, and two brothers from a large family.
12:57I found it here in '82.
12:59So she was ten years old, I thought with a teenager.
13:02She has had a journey as far as normality is concerned, like all girls.
13:05Then I don't know why he went back to his mother and lived for her children.
13:10So let's go back and tell you who Pasqualina Labarbuta is.
13:17Pasqualina Labarbuta is a 37-year-old woman looking for stable work for her children.
13:26Pasqualina Labarbuta is one of nine children who comes from a certainly complex family background.
13:35We met a friend of Pasqualina who gave us a very detailed description.
13:45Let's hear what he says.
13:51Lina, because I always called her Lina, I met her because I was the manager of a football team
13:58of the CSI,
13:59of the Unolatorio, and one of the sons had come to play on my team.
14:06I remember that I have Lina as a very serene woman, even though she was perhaps a little tried by life,
14:16very attached to her children, she behaved almost like an older sister, in the sense that she liked to play with them a lot,
14:22but she was also strict when she had to be strict, especially about school.
14:29She had a dream, to have her own financial dependence, she lived in her mother's house after she left
14:37from his companion,
14:38but she would have really liked to have a house of her own, she always said even a studio flat would be enough for me,
14:43to live with my children. I remember her as a very smiling person, sometimes she had it
14:54a little bit with the whole world,
14:55but then the next day it passed, she didn't like to talk about her intimate things,
15:03but I sensed that he hadn't had an easy life, let's say.
15:10Anyway she had these three children so she lived for them,
15:15especially in recent times, before the disaster, she had managed to find some odd jobs,
15:21and as soon as it ended, he immediately took the tram, the metro to go to the oratory where his children were,
15:28because the first thing he wanted to do was be with them.
15:32This was his greatest joy.
15:39You immediately focus on the identikit and this knife.
15:44I ask you, what exactly happened and why was Pasqualina attacked?
15:52What are your hypotheses?
15:55We basically make two hypotheses.
15:59An attempted robbery went wrong,
16:04rather than harassment, a sexual approach.
16:09To the reaction of the woman who we imagine may have risen from the bench
16:15and then stabbed by the killer,
16:19here the murderer runs away and leaves the knife.
16:26I remember that near the bench,
16:29on the opposite side of the path, less than a meter from the body,
16:33the victim's personal effects were also present,
16:37then two bags containing the documents
16:43absolutely devoid of any trace
16:46that could make one think that someone had searched them
16:49or that he had taken something from these bags.
16:55So this person didn't take anything, it's not a robbery.
16:59It could be a robbery attempt gone wrong,
17:01because once that situation has been created
17:04and then the killer ran away,
17:07the objects remained there.
17:08It's a hypothesis.
17:12The other hypothesis is that of a sexual approach.
17:16These are the two hypotheses that we are putting forward at this time.
17:21And these two tracks remain standing.
17:24What's the next step?
17:26The next step is dictated by a particular
17:31that strikes us when we arrive,
17:33that is, the particular violence
17:35with which the stab wound was inflicted.
17:39A sharp blow to the heart.
17:48And then the next step is the autopsy.
17:57I personally attended the autopsy
18:00which took place at the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Milan
18:02and from the external examination of the corpse
18:07only one wound emerged
18:08about two centimeters
18:11in the upper part of the left breast.
18:13The knife blade penetrated
18:16between the second and third coast
18:18in the area where there is cartilage
18:20which is practically the least difficult part
18:23of the thoracic bone group.
18:24It penetrated and pierced the heart.
18:28The tip also affected the area
18:32where the pulmonary veins and arteries are.
18:35This wound, and it is the only one,
18:37caused his death immediately.
18:40There was a blood spill
18:43of about two liters
18:45and she died almost immediately.
18:51What the autopsy revealed
18:53is that Pasqualini was killed
18:55with a sharp blow to the heart.
18:58Who murdered her?
19:00he is someone who is familiar with a knife.
19:04He's a killer.
19:05It's an objective fact
19:06what Pasqualina Labbarbuta
19:09was killed with one shot,
19:12one shot,
19:14violent and straight to the heart.
19:17On the other hand, however,
19:18we can't think he's a killer.
19:21A killer doesn't leave the knife
19:24a few meters from the bench
19:27where the incident occurred.
19:29And so the idea we get
19:31in the immediate future
19:32it's a person's
19:34who knows how to use a knife,
19:38but that it was, as much,
19:39in a tragic fatality
19:40also due to the reaction
19:43what we imagine of women.
19:47In the circumstance,
19:49following the inspection
19:51performed at the crime scene,
19:52were performed
19:5512 blood samples
19:57on the driveway,
19:583 blood samples
20:00of presumed blood substance
20:02on the bench
20:03and we proceeded
20:05to the finding of the knife.
20:08All these samples
20:09were then examined
20:11from our laboratory
20:13of genetic investigations
20:14and in the circumstance
20:16it was found almost
20:18exclusively
20:19the victim's blood.
20:21Among the samples instead
20:22performed on the driveway
20:24near the bench,
20:26one in particular
20:27it turned out to be constituted
20:29from a mixed genetic profile.
20:32Next to the victim's blood
20:34there was also blood
20:36of a male individual.
20:42But you found
20:43a male DNA,
20:45the murderer's?
20:46It's a result
20:47on which we cannot do
20:49great trust
20:50in the immediate future
20:51because a track
20:53high risk
20:54of contamination
20:55it was detected
20:57on the ground.
20:58What does it mean?
20:59Maybe the blood
21:00came into contact
21:01with a DNA
21:03not the killer's
21:05but maybe of a person
21:06that a moment before
21:07had he passed through there?
21:09A child who fell
21:10with the bicycle
21:11rested his hand
21:12it could be a reason
21:14of contamination.
21:14Someone exploded
21:15on the ground.
21:16Also.
21:16So that DNA
21:17it doesn't matter at all.
21:20It has a value
21:21evidently probative
21:23low.
21:24At this point
21:25what other indications
21:26she managed to get
21:28from the scientific
21:30from the tests he took?
21:32Remaining
21:33on blood sampling
21:36the element that emerges
21:38it's the attempt
21:39of the victim
21:40to get up.
21:42We get this from this
21:43from the fact that
21:44have been found
21:45traces of blood
21:47in the back
21:49some trousers
21:50of the victim.
21:51It means that she
21:53he tried to get up
21:54and then
21:56the dripping of blood
21:58which may depend
21:59clearly from the knife
22:01and from the killer who runs away
22:02but also
22:03from this movement
22:04which moreover
22:05it is witnessed
22:06from the person
22:08who called us
22:09from the eyewitness
22:10which refers precisely
22:11of having seen her
22:12to rise up
22:13and then
22:14this is an element
22:16that enriches
22:17the reconstruction
22:18of the dynamics of the event.
22:22Around the wound itself
22:24there were some
22:25small injuries
22:27probably procured
22:29from the same weapon
22:30as if the murderer
22:32had
22:33let's say
22:34pricked
22:35the area
22:36before sinking
22:37the shot.
22:41What are these?
22:42small injuries?
22:43So there are
22:44of the signs
22:45around
22:46to the wound.
22:48The hypotheses
22:49that we had advanced
22:50they were
22:50the attempted robbery
22:51gone badly
22:52rather
22:52that sexual harassment.
22:54But beyond
22:55of the two hypotheses
22:56of reason
22:57the objective data
22:58the reconstruction
22:59of the fact
23:00it's the approach
23:00of this man
23:01that is approaching
23:02to Pasqualina
23:03start aiming
23:05the knife
23:06and puts it down
23:08even with a certain
23:09Force
23:10about Pasqualina
23:11circumstance
23:12highlighted
23:14from the signs
23:14that are found
23:15around the wound
23:16and then
23:18the reaction
23:19of the woman
23:20that rises
23:21and goes towards
23:23to the weapon
23:23which however comes
23:25evidently
23:25even with violence
23:28estate
23:29and opposite
23:30from the murderer.
23:32In short
23:33the technical investigations
23:34what you have
23:36hypothesized
23:37it's not that he brought you
23:38very far away
23:38at this point
23:39must
23:40to start again
23:41from
23:42another type
23:43of investigation
23:44Truly
23:45the commissioner
23:47Maigret
23:48go and understand
23:50what happened
23:53from another
23:54point of view
23:55and then
23:56let's start again
23:57from that bench
23:59because that day
24:01Pasqualina
24:03the bearded one
24:04is found
24:04to take
24:05the sun
24:05expanse
24:06on this bench
24:09of this park
24:10in the neighborhood
24:12Gallaratese
24:13of Milan
24:13Lunch break
24:16Pasqualina
24:16the bearded one
24:17he was on that bench
24:19because he was
24:20carrying out
24:20his business
24:21at a
24:22she was alone
24:23she was alone
24:24she had a contract
24:26fixed-term
24:27for the municipality of Milan
24:28replacement
24:29at the reception desks
24:32the various officials
24:33and that morning
24:35she found herself
24:36in Alex Visconti Street
24:37why is it called
24:38the same morning
24:40to go
24:40at that address
24:42he received
24:43the phone call
24:43from the offices
24:44and reached
24:45Alex Visconti Street
24:47in the timetable
24:48of the break
24:49it's gone
24:51to sit down
24:52and to lie down
24:53on that bench
24:54so I'm referring to
24:55to knowledge
24:56by Pasqualina
24:57Nobody
24:58he knew
24:59the place
25:00the place
25:01Where
25:02that morning
25:03it's gone
25:04No
25:05we excluded it
25:06we did
25:07all the activity
25:08of feedback
25:09she received
25:11this information
25:12the same morning
25:13as I said
25:14really
25:15already when he was reaching
25:17another address
25:18this data
25:19simplify
25:20or it complicates you
25:21the work?
25:23it depends on the point of view
25:24in the sense
25:25which simplifies it
25:26because it excludes
25:27that someone
25:28could wait for her
25:30or had it
25:31followed
25:31it complicates it
25:33because a little
25:33confirms to us
25:34which can be
25:35it was a situation
25:38tragic
25:39Surely
25:39but at this point
25:41Also
25:41fortuitous
25:43a person
25:43that has passed
25:44from there
25:45and that he crossed
25:46destiny
25:47by Pasqualina
25:47the bearded one
25:48someone
25:48that he didn't want
25:49kill
25:50Pasqualina
25:50the bearded one
25:51but simply
25:53he wanted to rob
25:55or rape
25:56a woman
25:56Exactly
26:05think
26:06that Pasqualina
26:07the bearded one
26:08ten days
26:09before being
26:09killed
26:10is living
26:11a moment
26:11particular
26:12she is desperate
26:13and then
26:14what does he do
26:14takes
26:15and run away
26:16with his three children
26:17he can't take it anymore
26:18to stay at home
26:19with the mother
26:20and two brothers
26:21and reaches
26:22a police station
26:23but the police station
26:23it's closed
26:24at that point
26:25call 113
26:27and he makes this phone call
26:31113
26:32operator 6
26:33Good morning
26:34are you open?
26:35we are always open
26:3624/7
26:37I'm here in front
26:39to a police station
26:40which is closed
26:41the police station
26:41Yes
26:42we do
26:44listen
26:44I am a mother
26:45with three children
26:46I slept last night
26:48in church
26:48another woman
26:49who is in trouble
26:50ah why are there others?
26:52eh
26:52there are many of them
26:53Lady
26:53in difficulty
26:55I am here
26:56at the police station
26:57Of
26:59which street are we on?
27:00I don't even know
27:01crosses of
27:02of Arbe
27:03of Arbe
27:04and it's closed
27:05and I don't know where to go
27:07but explain to me
27:07where do I have to go
27:09but doesn't she have a house?
27:12No
27:15eh you have to turn to
27:16the name of social assistance
27:18not now
27:19let's see if I can
27:20to give him one eh
27:21call him 020202
27:23which is the municipality
27:25I have to call there
27:27Now?
27:28Yes
27:29Thank you
27:30but I thank you
27:31Good morning
27:33what we just heard
27:35It's a heartbreaking story
27:37desperate
27:38a woman who
27:39with his three children
27:40he doesn't know where to go
27:42to sleep
27:43but what a story
27:45he had Pasqualina
27:47and above all
27:48why is he running away from home?
27:52Pasqualina is part of
27:53part of a family
27:54very numerous
27:55as a young man
27:57decides to leave home
27:59find a partner
28:01he lives with him
28:02for a while
28:04and generates three children
28:07the story with this man
28:09but it's not good
28:11and then Pasqualina
28:13he returns with his three children
28:15at the mother's house
28:17where there are still
28:19two brothers
28:20and therefore a dynamic
28:22Surely
28:23complex
28:24difficult to live together
28:26in addition to the difficulties
28:28let's say about relationship
28:31It seems to me that Pasqualina
28:33also have a character
28:34very restless
28:35Pasqualina's character
28:38is outlined
28:38from people
28:39that we listen to
28:41they paint it
28:42all as one person
28:45anyway sunny
28:46his goal
28:48that's it
28:48to seek a balance
28:50for her
28:51and for his children
28:52and this aspect
28:54of restlessness
28:55it comes out
28:55when maybe
28:56this goal
28:58somehow
28:59he can't reach it
29:00and by the way
29:02of the children
29:02the relationship
29:04with dad
29:05of these children
29:06Which?
29:08I remember
29:08to have met
29:10the companion
29:11by Pasqualina
29:12the bearded one
29:13he was summoned
29:15in the office
29:16and I personally
29:17I communicated it
29:19the circumstance
29:21he opened his eyes wide
29:23and he screamed
29:24so in the immediate future
29:26the perception
29:27was
29:27of a man
29:28still tied
29:29to Pasqualina
29:30circumstance then
29:31confirmed
29:32from the activities
29:33that we have done
29:35Why
29:36the man
29:37we found
29:39Together
29:40to Pasqualina
29:41shared
29:41some evenings
29:43with the children
29:43so the relationship
29:44it was good
29:45although
29:46let's say
29:47their story
29:47it was over
29:49and then also
29:50objectively
29:51he was located
29:52not in Milan
29:54but in another reality
29:56and then
29:57it was excluded
29:58from the investigation activity
29:59for which
29:59set aside
30:00of the companion
30:01there is this family
30:02so numerous
30:03under investigation
30:04on the family
30:05Certainly
30:06all the crimes
30:08it begins
30:09from people
30:11closer
30:11to the victim
30:12to understand
30:13what is the context
30:15if someone
30:16may be
30:17somehow
30:18pushed
30:18to an action
30:19of that kind
30:20and the activity
30:22of investigation
30:22takes us
30:23to bring out
30:25Surely
30:25a situation
30:26complex
30:28of relationships
30:29difficult
30:30but
30:31at the same time
30:33to exclude
30:34the responsibility
30:35of each one
30:36of the components
30:37of the family
30:39in any case
30:41we have
30:41of the elements
30:42that come out
30:44that emerge
30:44from this activity
30:49Pasqualina
30:50a few years before
30:51two years ago
30:52to be exact
30:53had been subjected
30:54to a treatment
30:55health care
30:55obligatory
30:56had had
30:57some problems
30:57evidently
30:58of a psychological nature
31:00had had
31:01certain reactions
31:02and then
31:03had been subjected
31:04to this treatment
31:05consequences
31:07on this
31:07condition
31:08the people
31:10closer
31:10to Pasqualina
31:11they describe
31:12Pasqualina
31:13after that episode
31:14different from that
31:16which was
31:17which was before
31:18more
31:19impetuous
31:21in some ways
31:22but always
31:23with that goal
31:24always reiterated
31:25in all minutes
31:27that we have assumed
31:28Meaning what
31:28that goal
31:30to protect children
31:31to give a future
31:32and a certainty
31:34to the children
31:34identifying
31:35a companion
31:36that can support
31:37she and her children
31:39and what emerges
31:41it's the attempt
31:42precisely
31:42by Pasqualina
31:43to know
31:45this person
31:46if that is
31:46the goal
31:47through
31:49the attendance
31:50of the oratory
31:51through attendance
31:52of ordinary places
31:54but also
31:55using
31:56the instrument
31:57computer scientist
31:58Internet
31:58a detective
32:00we said
32:02at the start
32:03of this episode
32:04let's face it
32:05solved cases
32:06and cases
32:06unsolved
32:07that of
32:08Pasqualina
32:09the bearded one
32:10it's a case
32:10unresolved
32:11and we want
32:13give our
32:14contribution
32:15For
32:16we hope
32:18arrive
32:19to a solution
32:20to give justice
32:23above all
32:23to this one
32:24poor woman
32:25and then
32:27we turned to
32:28to a profiler
32:30that for many years
32:32worked at Quantico
32:34in the FBI
32:35he solved it
32:37many cases
32:37this person
32:38is called
32:39Jean Clemente
32:41to Jean Clemente
32:42we have addressed
32:43some questions
32:44the first
32:45it's on that one
32:46which is defined
32:48victimology
32:50that is, the victim
32:52who is
32:53Pasqualina the Bearded
32:55I want to make them feel
32:56what he said
33:00murder of Pasqualina the Bearded
33:02victimology
33:03woman
33:04Italian
33:0537 years old
33:06three children
33:07separate
33:07lives with his mother
33:09and two brothers
33:10has a relationship
33:11non-confrontational
33:12with her ex-husband
33:13but he has relationships
33:14conflictual
33:15with his father
33:16and with two brothers
33:18two years ago
33:19of his murder
33:20the victim had
33:21a psychological breakdown
33:22hospitalized
33:24for two months
33:24it was then
33:25a year in therapy
33:27particularly lively
33:28and intelligent
33:29in the mode
33:30of communication
33:31enters easily
33:31in empathy
33:32even with strangers
33:33sociable character
33:34but at the same time
33:36irascible
33:37and is prone to arguments
33:38work environment
33:39low risk
33:40the victim
33:41he had recently
33:41started attending
33:42dating sites
33:43with the opposite sex
33:44this means
33:45that puts life at risk
33:46medium
33:47it's passed
33:48at risk of death
33:48high
33:49high risk
33:50sex work
33:50he heard
33:52what he said
33:52today in clement
33:54essentially
33:55underlines
33:56the appearance
33:57that the risk
33:58increases
33:59with regard to
34:01the contacts
34:02that the woman
34:03may have had
34:04using your own
34:06the medium
34:07of the internet
34:07the risk increases
34:11on the basis
34:12of the number of people
34:13that you meet
34:13clearly
34:17what we did
34:19us
34:19was
34:21to analyze
34:21the table
34:22and all contacts
34:24that he might have had
34:25Pasqualina Labbarbuta
34:26independently
34:28from how I met
34:29those people
34:30and identifying
34:31those contacts
34:32and consequently
34:33natural persons
34:34that we have listened to
34:35we have rebuilt
34:37the whole network
34:39of attendance
34:40thus being able to exclude
34:41that the interlocutors
34:42that he had heard
34:43Pasqualina Labbarbuta
34:45could be
34:46involved
34:47in the investigation activity
34:48in this research
34:50you have identified
34:52some characters
34:53particular?
34:54Certainly
34:55through
34:57the summary information
34:59so I listen
35:00of people
35:01who frequented
35:02Pasqualina
35:03above all
35:03the closest people
35:04in particular
35:05a friend
35:06he tells us
35:07of a figure
35:08that Pasqualina
35:09would have defined
35:10as a nuisance
35:11we are told
35:13that in certain
35:14circumstances
35:15a person
35:16she represented herself
35:17at the workplace
35:18by Pasqualina Labbarbuta
35:20and during break times
35:22so this is an element
35:23which clearly
35:24offers us
35:25a further idea
35:26to understand
35:27who it could be
35:28this person
35:32for which
35:33there is a prime suspect
35:34That
35:35we call
35:37the nuisance
35:38you go and listen to it
35:40you call it
35:41you ask him
35:42where he was
35:43the day of the crime
35:45absolutely yes
35:46we'll get there
35:46Why
35:47the friend gives us
35:48a physical description
35:49so that we do not forget
35:50that there is an identikit
35:51and how is this
35:52physical description
35:53the physical description
35:54corresponds
35:55to what it was
35:56the identikit
35:56that is, this one here
35:58Exactly
36:00we recover
36:00all information
36:01that can allow us
36:02Therefore
36:03to identify it
36:04and the friend tells us
36:06that in one circumstance
36:07this person
36:09would have had
36:09a discussion
36:11with Pasqualina
36:12outside
36:13of the oratory
36:14so we focus
36:15on that place
36:17and in fact
36:18we identify
36:19this person
36:21which confirms to us
36:22of having discussed
36:24with Pasqualina
36:24the bearded one
36:25Therefore
36:25let's give a name
36:26to the pest
36:28which
36:29he confirms
36:30this discussion
36:31but then
36:32from the investigations
36:32what are we doing?
36:33we exclude
36:34that it may be
36:35the killer
36:35because he has an alibi
36:37and it wasn't
36:37absolutely
36:38in that place
36:39for which
36:40the nuisance
36:40we put it
36:42by
36:42not exactly
36:45in the sense
36:46that this figure
36:47of a person
36:48unwanted
36:49to Pasqualina
36:50remains
36:51Why
36:51that of the pest
36:53it is the indication
36:54which gives
36:55the friend
36:56but we have
36:57another finding
36:58Always
36:59from the analysis
36:59of the tables
37:00Always
37:01from the activity
37:01technique
37:02we find
37:04to a user
37:05telephone
37:05associated
37:07the name
37:07pain in the ass
37:08and then
37:10we do not exclude
37:11that also
37:12this other one
37:12subject
37:13may be
37:14the person
37:14unwanted
37:15it could have been
37:16the same person
37:17pain in the ass
37:17nuisance
37:18No
37:18it couldn't be
37:19the same person
37:21Why
37:21the nuisance
37:23he is a person
37:24physics
37:25view
37:25from the friend
37:26the pain in the ass
37:28it's a definition
37:30attributed
37:31to a user
37:31mobile phone
37:32Therefore
37:33we identify
37:34the person
37:34which he used
37:35he arrived
37:36to a name
37:36and surname
37:37Exactly
37:37you go and listen to it
37:39let's go and listen to it
37:40he is a person
37:41which wasn't even
37:42in Milan
37:42in that period
37:43he is a person
37:44that Pasqualina
37:45Labarbuta
37:45he had met
37:46but it was found
37:49somewhere else entirely
37:50of Italy
37:50that day
37:51Dr. Ananias
37:52authorizes me
37:54to go
37:55on the blackboard
37:55and at faculty
37:57Thank you
37:57At that time
37:59I am
38:01passed
38:037-8 months
38:05from the crime
38:06Pasqualina
38:07Labarbuta
38:08the little park
38:09the bench
38:10the nuisance
38:11it's the first
38:12True
38:14suspected
38:15the police
38:16he works there
38:17a lot of
38:18but in the end
38:18as we have heard
38:20the nuisance
38:21he has an alibi
38:22for which
38:24we're deleting it
38:28the investigations
38:29without using
38:30half words
38:31I'm at a point
38:32stopped
38:33but between
38:34December
38:36of 2009
38:37and January
38:38of 2010
38:40is given
38:41an assignment
38:42very important
38:43to a well-known
38:44geneticist
38:44what is called
38:45Marzio Capra
38:46to this geneticist
38:48of the University
38:49of Milan
38:49is given
38:50the knife
38:51the knife
38:52with which she was killed
38:53Pasqualina Labarbuta
38:55the knife
38:56it is soaked
38:57of the blood
38:58of the victim
38:59And
39:00let's listen
39:02what
39:03it comes out
39:05from these
39:06further tests
39:14the news
39:15most important
39:16is that
39:17on the knife
39:19which is
39:20presumably
39:21the murder weapon
39:22it was found
39:24a profile
39:25genetic
39:26of sex
39:27female
39:28and a profile
39:29genetic
39:29of sex
39:30male
39:31the profile
39:33genetic
39:33of sex
39:34female
39:35era
39:35that
39:36corresponding
39:37at the
39:38bearded
39:39and instead
39:40the profile
39:41genetic
39:41of sex
39:42male
39:42which was
39:43isolated
39:44from the geneticist
39:45corresponds
39:46to a profile
39:48islander
39:49of men
39:50from the
39:51Sicily
39:54or of the
39:54Sardinia
39:59let's go back to the knife
40:01knife
40:02that you found
40:03immediately
40:04next to the bench
40:06but the blood
40:08what it was
40:10on the blade
40:11you didn't have it
40:13already examined
40:14I'm talking to
40:16May
40:17absolutely
40:18Yes
40:18only that
40:19in this circumstance
40:20a step is taken
40:21further
40:22Meaning what
40:23the knife
40:24it is dismantled
40:26and then
40:27the research
40:28of those profiles
40:30of DNA
40:30it happens
40:31within
40:33of the mechanisms
40:34closing
40:35and it's there
40:36which is found
40:37DNA
40:37DNA
40:38that there
40:39brings
40:40to search
40:42so a person
40:43physics
40:43coming from
40:44or from Sardinia
40:45or from Sicily
40:46it's everything and nothing
40:47what are you doing?
40:49it's something anyway
40:50at this point
40:52we are looking for some feedback
40:53objective
40:53and we move
40:54on two fronts
40:57on one side
40:58the analysis
40:59of traffic
41:00of cell
41:01that is, people
41:01who were present
41:03in the little park
41:04at that time
41:05that day
41:06results?
41:08Unfortunately
41:08Nothing
41:09try another way
41:11Which?
41:12we ask the house
41:13district
41:14of San Vittore
41:15to provide us
41:16the names
41:17of people
41:18coming from
41:19precisely
41:19from the islands
41:20that they were
41:21were arrested
41:22for that guy
41:23of crimes
41:23for example
41:24the robbery
41:25and we get
41:25a list
41:29among these people
41:32we identify
41:34a suspect
41:35Why
41:35on the occasion
41:37of the search
41:38suffered
41:39from one of these people
41:40they are found
41:41three knives
41:42Exactly
41:44of that kind
41:45the patata
41:47the sardine
41:48always the knife
41:50come back
41:50the knife returns
41:51Then?
41:53from one point of view
41:54objective
41:55there is also
41:56the superimposition
41:57of the identikit
41:59to the person
42:01the person
42:02actually
42:03can match
42:05to that one
42:06description
42:07it always looks the same
42:08to this drawing
42:10to the identikit
42:11Exactly
42:12there is one more element
42:14May 6th
42:15this person
42:16was entrusted
42:16to social services
42:18but it doesn't appear
42:19to have introduced himself
42:20Therefore
42:21practically
42:22it could have been
42:24on site
42:24of the crime
42:27this is what we call it
42:28the Sardinian suspect
42:31could be
42:32the killer
42:33could be
42:34the killer
42:35because there is also
42:35another element
42:37Certainly
42:38relevant
42:39and what is it?
42:40the address
42:41of residence
42:42of this person
42:46this subject
42:47it's interesting
42:48even below
42:49the profile
42:50investigative
42:51Why
42:52he is a person
42:53who had
42:54known
42:55Pasqualina
42:56the bearded one
42:57he had met her
42:59as
42:59his residence
43:01era
43:02at
43:02one of the gatehouses
43:04who had
43:05frequented
43:06the bearded one
43:07in the periods
43:08in which precisely
43:09he did his jobs
43:10of replacement
43:11and then
43:12let's say that
43:13in the moment
43:13where we feel it
43:14we ask him
43:15awareness
43:16even relationships
43:17with Pasqualina
43:19the bearded one
43:19he admits
43:20of having known her
43:22admits to having them
43:22spoken a few times
43:24but it is declared
43:25completely foreign
43:26the atrocious death
43:27of the lady
43:28the subject
43:30provides
43:30his alibi
43:31but above all
43:32is available
43:34to provide
43:34the genetic profile
43:36and the comparisons
43:37genetics
43:38non-match
43:39they are not compatible
43:41the genetic profile
43:43with that
43:43found
43:44on the murder weapon
43:48this track too
43:50does not carry
43:51to results
43:52then we can
43:53put
43:53with regret
43:55a cross
43:57on the suspect
43:58Sardinian
44:01In short
44:02death
44:03by Pasqualina
44:04the bearded one
44:05it's always
44:06more of a mystery
44:07and then
44:08let's go back
44:09once again
44:10on that May 6th
44:11of 2009
44:11to this
44:13small park
44:14in this
44:15quarter
44:15peripheral
44:16of Milan
44:17and to the dynamics
44:18of the crime
44:19just as much as
44:21regard
44:22the dynamics
44:23of the crime
44:24we want
44:25to delve deeper into it
44:26with ours
44:28consultant
44:29the profiler
44:31G. Clemente
44:32historical
44:33profiler
44:34of the FBI
44:36from Quantico
44:37let's hear what
44:38he tells us
44:41this murder
44:42took place
44:42in an environment
44:43low risk
44:44a safe area
44:45in a public park
44:46presumably
44:47with other pedestrians
44:48in the area
44:48a quiet neighborhood
44:50low crime
44:51the fact that it was
44:52the first day
44:53of work
44:54of the victim
44:54in that neighborhood
44:55indicates poor
44:56familiarity
44:57with the problems
44:57of that area
44:58and the fact
44:59that that place
45:00low-risk pits
45:01does not reduce
45:02but the risk
45:02at zero
45:03and precisely because
45:04his was a new face
45:05in that area
45:06it could have been
45:07a more vulnerable target
45:08for a robbery
45:09or for a sexual approach
45:12the presence
45:12of four little ones
45:13bruises
45:14in the area
45:14of the cut wound
45:15consistent
45:16with the tip
45:17of the murder weapon
45:17they seem to be
45:18threatening shots
45:19with the knife
45:20and it's further proof
45:22of an attempt
45:22of robbery
45:23or sexual assault
45:24towards
45:25of the victim
45:25the fatal blow
45:27to Pasqualina
45:28it was given
45:28in my opinion
45:30not out of fear
45:31or for the unexpected reaction
45:32of the victim
45:33towards
45:33of the murderer
45:34but for an action
45:35volunteer
45:36of man
45:37towards
45:37of the victim
45:38and the lethal stab wound
45:40penetrated directly
45:41in the heart
45:41indicates a certain
45:42familiarity
45:43in use
45:44of that weapon
45:44it's the first time
45:46that the victim
45:46it's in the park
45:47and the presence
45:48of witnesses
45:48indicates that the criminal
45:49it's disorganized
45:50in other words
45:51it's a murder
45:52unplanned
45:53but the efficiency
45:54of the stabbing
45:55indicates a criminal
45:56expert
45:58the timing
45:59of the stabbing
46:00by Pasqualina
46:01at lunchtime
46:02in the park
46:02it was probably
46:04due to experience
46:04of this criminal
46:05who goes in search
46:06of women
46:07or other victims
46:08in that
46:08or in nearby parks
46:09at lunchtime
46:10the presence
46:11of the weapon of law
46:12a folding knife
46:13left on the scene
46:15without fingerprints
46:16but with DNA
46:17of a male
46:18unrelated
46:19indicates a low
46:20knowledge
46:21of the techniques
46:21of scientific investigation
46:23by
46:23of the murderer
46:24these are the evaluations
46:26by Jean Clemente
46:27what do you think?
46:29as commented
46:30but I would dwell on
46:32above all
46:32on one aspect
46:34which was put
46:34featured
46:35Meaning what
46:36intentionality
46:37of the gesture
46:38the analysis done
46:40of the context
46:41of the victim
46:42of the author
46:43but above all
46:43what emerges
46:45it is precisely
46:45this profile
46:46of doubt
46:47on intentionality
46:49that is, therefore
46:50on voluntariness
46:51to hit
46:52the victim
46:53in a manner
46:54mortal
46:55what an idea
46:56does it look like this?
46:58the idea
46:59that we have done to ourselves
47:00at the start
47:02on the basis
47:03of the testimonies
47:05it was that
47:06from the
47:07unintentionality
47:09to kill
47:10but it's a hypothesis
47:11which needs to be evaluated
47:12just like that
47:13and possibly
47:15additional elements
47:16that they could
47:17arrive
47:18new
47:19new indications
47:20they could instead
47:21give
47:22an indication
47:23different
47:24for this very reason
47:26starting from a given
47:28that this
47:29it's the only one
47:30certain element
47:31Meaning what
47:32these identikits
47:34should at least
47:35to resemble
47:36to the murderer
47:37and for the police
47:39the case
47:40by Pasqualina
47:41the bearded one
47:42it's a bit
47:43a wound
47:44open
47:44but above all
47:46you want
47:47arrive
47:48to a solution
47:53and precisely
47:54during these days
47:56the scientific police
47:58she's back
47:59in that park
48:00she's back
48:01to do
48:02a series
48:02of photographs
48:04to produce
48:06a video
48:08using
48:08the latest
48:09technologies
48:10just for
48:12to rebuild
48:13that
48:13which was
48:14to the object
48:15of his
48:16observation
48:18on intentionality
48:20this person
48:22intentionally
48:24he hit
48:25Pasqualina
48:27or
48:28it was a matter
48:29of a
48:30unfortunate
48:32unfortunate
48:32terrible
48:33coincidence
48:35Pasqualina
48:35getting up
48:37he did yes
48:38that the knife
48:39would end up
48:41in his heart
48:42and killed her
48:48once
48:49returned
48:50in the laboratory
48:51within
48:51of the service
48:52scientific police
48:53we have carried out
48:54a real one
48:55reconstruction
48:56three-dimensional
48:57of the whole scene
48:58to be able to do it later
48:59to relocate
49:00the tracks
49:01and the finds
49:02which were examined
49:03at the time
49:03and present
49:04in the documents
49:05the reconstruction
49:06three-dimensional
49:07at this point
49:08allows you to have
49:09an environment
49:10simulated
49:10where you can
49:11to carry out
49:12new ratings
49:15therefore the reconstruction
49:17of dynamics
49:18would predict
49:18that the attacker
49:19according to the statements
49:21testimonials
49:21had arrived
49:22from the driveway
49:23overlooking
49:24the bench
49:25would have drawn
49:26the victim
49:27with a knife
49:28with the blade
49:29revolt
49:30downwards
49:31facing
49:32the victim
49:33which was located
49:33in position
49:34erected
49:35near the bench
49:36this would be
49:36confirmed
49:37from the arrangement
49:38of the tracks
49:39blood
49:40released
49:41not far away
49:41from the bench
49:42same
49:43at this point
49:44the victim
49:45losing consciousness
49:46so being
49:47weaker
49:48she would have turned
49:49and collapsed
49:50towards the bench
49:51affixing
49:52an arm
49:53which would have precisely
49:54left a footprint
49:55and the footprint
49:56on one of the beams
49:57of the bench
49:57same
49:58dripping
49:59from the chest
49:59towards the session
50:01and at this point
50:02the bearded one
50:03it would then be
50:04sitting
50:05on the bench
50:06same
50:07this would be
50:09highlighted
50:10from the tracks
50:11blood
50:11Instead
50:12that for
50:12impression
50:14they were
50:15precisely
50:15found
50:16on jeans
50:17in the part
50:18rear
50:19the bearded one
50:20at this point
50:21he collapses
50:22and loses
50:22completely
50:23the senses
50:24dripping
50:25the last one
50:26blood traces
50:27on the pavement
50:28in correspondence
50:29of the arm
50:30left
50:34she was the boss
50:35of the murders
50:36for which he lived
50:37in first person
50:38this crime
50:39Here you are
50:40as currency
50:40this reconstruction
50:42in 3D
50:43first thing
50:45I would like to highlight
50:46That
50:46in the last decade
50:48and the reconstruction
50:50it's a demonstration
50:51they were made
50:53some notable steps
50:54forward
50:55to support
50:56the investigators
50:57in the reconstruction
50:58of the facts
50:59and then
51:00the reconstruction
51:01provides
51:02evidently
51:03further ideas
51:04to learn more
51:05some aspects
51:07that maybe
51:08first they had remained
51:09a bit
51:10in the shade
51:13Well
51:14the first reflection
51:15is this
51:15the victim
51:16and the murderer
51:17they face each other
51:17that is the shot
51:19is inflicted
51:19from a subject
51:20which is standing
51:21and the victim
51:22and he's standing there
51:23in front of
51:23Therefore
51:24we can already
51:25imagine
51:26That
51:27although
51:28the testimony
51:28he speaks to us
51:29of the victim
51:30misled
51:30on the bench
51:31something
51:32he did
51:33raise
51:34the victim
51:34from the bench
51:35and he did it
51:35to place in front
51:37his killer
51:38what does it mean
51:39he is a person
51:39who recognized
51:40he is a person
51:41from which he wanted
51:42escape
51:43he is a person
51:44with which he had to
51:44have a meeting
51:45the certainty
51:46of this reconstruction
51:47is that
51:48the two subjects
51:49protagonists
51:50of the story
51:50at least from the moment
51:51where we can
51:52start with the reconstruction
51:53I'm one in front
51:54to the other
51:55and it can do it
51:56to hypothesize
51:57to a subject
51:58that he followed
51:59the victim
52:00and I haven't met her
52:01by chance
52:02lying down
52:02on the bench
52:03that he has it
52:03stalked
52:04and have it
52:05expected
52:05that the victim
52:06he lay down
52:06to then get closer
52:09and then
52:10we can imagine
52:11really
52:11to a prevention
52:13this for sure
52:13it doesn't change
52:14and it is not an element
52:16what does it do to us?
52:16individuate
52:17the killer
52:18but it's a read
52:19different
52:20of the phases
52:21which preceded
52:22the murder
52:22that can help
52:23that could help
52:24the following ones
52:25investigative activities
52:26if one day
52:28the author
52:29this iron
52:30homocide
52:31will be identified
52:32the reconstruction
52:33as it was made
52:34it may be useful
52:35for the purposes of
52:36individuate
52:37the exact motive
52:38and also for the purposes
52:39of determination
52:40final
52:41of the penalty
52:45Also thanks to this video
52:47we can hope
52:49to be a little bit
52:50closer
52:50to the solution
52:52of this case
52:52We have to leave
52:54from a presupposition
52:55objective
52:56we don't have a name
52:57or a surname
52:58but we have an identity
53:00which is called DNA
53:02Right on DNA
53:03let's hear it again
53:05our profiler
53:06Queen Clement
53:07this time
53:08trace the profile
53:09of the murderer
53:13My final profile
53:15of the murderer
53:16he is a man
53:17between 20 and 30 years old
53:18there is a low probability
53:20that the murder
53:21be related
53:21to the lifestyle
53:22of the victim
53:23and its interactions
53:24but most likely
53:25the victim
53:26she did not submit
53:27to threats
53:27of the thief
53:28and the sexual assaulter
53:29and she was killed
53:30impulsively
53:31my opinion
53:32is that this murder
53:34was committed
53:34from a criminal
53:35inexperienced
53:36not a professional
53:37he probably has
53:39left the area
53:39for a period
53:40after the murder
53:41throw away the knife
53:42nearby
53:43it was a big mistake
53:44probably due
53:45to panic
53:46the use of that knife
53:47it's not that simple
53:49because he doesn't have
53:49a locking mechanism
53:51and he could get hurt
53:52in giving the stab
53:53to the victim
53:54this knife
53:55it is common in Sardinia
53:56many shepherds
53:57they carry this knife
53:58could be
53:59been used
54:00frequently
54:01from the murderer
54:03in my opinion
54:04it should be sent
54:05DNA
54:05found in the knife
54:07to a database
54:07commercial
54:08for example
54:09ancestry.com
54:10to find
54:11the relatives
54:11of the murderer
54:12and at that point
54:13to check
54:14if the DNA
54:14male
54:15identified
54:15matcha
54:16with that
54:16of the murderer
54:19regarding the suggestion
54:21the invitation
54:23that Ginclemente
54:24ago
54:24to turn to
54:26to these databases
54:29what do you think?
54:31DNA data
54:32have been inserted
54:33in the database
54:35in the database
54:36and then
54:37from this point of view
54:38we proceeded
54:40in this sense
54:40Obviously
54:41in compliance
54:41of Italian legislation
54:45in Italy
54:46we feed
54:47the database
54:47of DNA
54:48basically
54:49in two ways
54:50on one side
54:51we insert
54:52the profiles
54:53organic
54:55coming from
54:55from the scenes
54:56of crime
54:56on the other hand
54:57then for all
54:58a series
54:58of crimes
54:58expected
54:59expressly
55:00of the law
55:00the subject
55:02author
55:03of the crime
55:03is subjected
55:05to so-called
55:05swab
55:05buccal
55:06from which
55:07yes it's rich
55:07his profile
55:08and his profile
55:09is inserted
55:10in the database
55:10so these
55:11they are the two
55:11ways
55:12where it comes
55:12powered
55:13the database
55:13it's the only one
55:14large container
55:15legal
55:16of profiles
55:17organic
55:18it's a bit
55:18what works
55:19essentially
55:20for the footprints
55:21digital
55:22obviously in Italy
55:23all profiles
55:24inserted
55:24in the database
55:25in the DNA
55:26they cannot be
55:27shared
55:28or inserted
55:29in databases
55:30different from those
55:32we have arrived
55:34in the end
55:35of this episode
55:37and I would like
55:38That
55:38on his part
55:40came
55:40an appeal
55:43For
55:44ask
55:46to ours
55:46viewers
55:47a contribution
55:48a detail
55:50something
55:51could be
55:52come in handy
55:53absolutely
55:54above all
55:56they have passed
55:5712 years old
55:57Certainly
55:59but in fact it was that
56:00exactly what I wanted
56:00make evident
56:01I don't imagine
56:02the contribution
56:03as the testimony
56:04live
56:05of that day
56:06at that time
56:06in that place
56:07the contribution
56:08it can also be
56:09the derelict
56:10the contribution
56:11it can also be
56:12a piece of information
56:13acquired by someone
56:15by
56:16of a subject
56:17maybe the killer
56:18who has
56:19said something
56:20It makes me understand better
56:22but I may have confided
56:24let's assume
56:25in a prison
56:27to a companion
56:28dicella
56:29some circumstances
56:30compared to that murder
56:31and today
56:33that person
56:33who received
56:34that information
56:35in light of this
56:36conversation
56:37it could also
56:38imagine
56:39to report
56:40that detail
56:40it's a hypothesis
56:41but this could be
56:43the contribution
56:44that can arrive
56:45if someone
56:47wants
56:48communicate
56:49can
56:50to turn to
56:51in place
56:52of the police
56:52closer
56:54Dr. Ananias
56:57one last question
56:59when he feels
57:01the name
57:01by Pasqualina
57:02the bearded one
57:03Which
57:04emotion
57:05sensation
57:06mood
57:08lives
57:11I remember
57:12the image
57:14that I had
57:14even previously
57:15reported
57:16of the scream
57:18of the companion
57:19which is one thing
57:20which is
57:21remained
57:23it's the fact
57:24that despite
57:26the efforts
57:26even today
57:28we are not
57:29arrived to give
57:30a name
57:31or a surname
57:32but
57:33the positive aspect
57:34is that we continue
57:35to work
57:36why this name
57:37and surname
57:37may be
57:38highlighted
57:40thank you
57:42to her
57:54Isabella
57:54Number
57:55a crime
57:56full of mysteries
57:57and questions
57:58without answers
57:59a corpse
58:00never found
58:01we know
58:02who killed
58:02this woman
58:03but we don't know
58:04all the way
58:05the why
58:06tell
58:07this murder
58:08it's like entering
58:09in a labyrinth
58:09it's like entering
58:15in a labyrinth
58:15it's like entering
58:17in a labyrinth
58:17in a labyrinth
58:18Thank you all.
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