Franca Leosini intervista Daniela Werner, cantante lirica moglie di Claudio Del Monaco, figlio del celebre tenore.
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00:00:05Music
00:00:58Music
00:01:23There are beautiful fairy tales, the ones with Cinderella,
00:01:29who, poor and mistreated, wears the slipper and flies from the stove to the ball of the enamoured prince who makes her his
00:01:37queen.
00:01:38And the bad fairy tales, the ones that drip sadness, because it is the princess who, through adventures and disasters, ends up badly in
00:01:47to search the stove.
00:01:49But the happy ending will come, and we who believe in it are here to tell it.
00:01:56Once upon a time, but there is, and she is here with us, a beautiful girl.
00:02:03Her name is Daniela Werner and she has the voice of a nightingale and a great desire to sing.
00:02:12Mrs. Daniela, Daniela del Monaco, your name here in Italy is inextricably, almost fatally linked,
00:02:20to the surname of her husband Claudio del Monaco.
00:02:23He is linked to the worldwide fame of Claudio's father, who is the great tenor Mario del Monaco,
00:02:29who illuminated the world of opera with splendor.
00:02:33Now, Mrs. Daniela, you know well that when a matter goes beyond the private sphere
00:02:40and it enters the news, it becomes history, there, it becomes public domain history.
00:02:47That said, what happened to her and her husband Claudio del Monaco,
00:02:51then gave space to all the colours of the news,
00:02:54who then necessarily rummaged through every corner of your private life.
00:02:58But, before talking about the reason why you are here, Mrs. Daniela,
00:03:03in the psychiatric hospital of Castiglione delle Stiviere,
00:03:07here, before talking about her story, her love story with Claudio,
00:03:12let's talk about you, Mrs. Daniela, because from Monaco you are from Monaco, that's it.
00:03:16But she certainly wasn't a foundling that Claudio picked up on the streets of the world, eh?
00:03:21You are German and were born in Heingen. Is that pronounced correctly?
00:03:26Heingen. Perfect.
00:03:27In Germany? He comes from a family with solid roots, he has an impressive CV,
00:03:33a curriculum that, when you look at it, leaves you amazed by such industrious wisdom, that's it.
00:03:38Do you want to talk about the qualifications you have obtained?
00:03:42So, I started with the...
00:03:46in Italian it would be the conservatory of the Catholic Church in Rottenburg.
00:03:52But do you also have a degree in pedagogy?
00:03:54Yes.
00:03:55So, she has a degree in pedagogy and she got this diploma at the conservatory in sacred music.
00:04:02I wanted to become a concert organ player, it's true.
00:04:05But I'm talking to Daniela del Monaco, an opera singer, eh.
00:04:09How did you end up singing, Mrs. Daniela?
00:04:12It happened that at 21 years old I broke my finger on the dog chain, really broken and
00:04:22in one day the dream of becoming a concert pianist was over.
00:04:27Daniela del Monaco's fate revolves around her little finger.
00:04:31Yes.
00:04:31But there is one question that remains unanswered, because it is true, she played the organ.
00:04:37And what happens?
00:04:37It's beautiful and good, in short, you discover that you have an important vocal ability.
00:04:42Is she enough to aspire to a singing career?
00:04:45Because I'm a journalist, but it's not like I suddenly decide to be a singer and become a mine.
00:04:50Where does this voice come from?
00:04:52My first teacher made me sing after this accident, she said you have great musicality.
00:04:58She told me a story that had been going on for years very clearly.
00:05:01How old were you when you actually started becoming a singer?
00:05:0624 years that my former teacher brought me to Italy, because from the beginning I had the luck or the
00:05:17misfortune
00:05:18to have a teacher who came from the Monaco school.
00:05:22And so she tried to pass on to me the technique that she had studied.
00:05:30So she basically took the path of an opera singer, perhaps with the hope of becoming a new Callas.
00:05:37Because I think that no one who takes the path of singing thinks of becoming a chorister.
00:05:42I do not.
00:05:43Listen, Mrs. Daniela, then we will see what the price will be in terms of commitment, sacrifices,
00:05:50will lead to this life choice of his, that of dedicating himself to singing.
00:05:55But let's talk about life first, let's also talk about love, Daniela.
00:06:00Because a girl, but certainly a beautiful girl like her,
00:06:04he certainly had a lot of defaulters, a lot of flirtini, of frirarini.
00:06:09So, beyond the flertini, what was the first important relationship, the first love of your life?
00:06:17First story, go.
00:06:18I got married very young, because at 17 I found a boy who came from a family
00:06:25very Catholic.
00:06:26And this boy, five years older than me, accepted me with this somewhat strange CV,
00:06:35because music demands a price, the price of solitude.
00:06:40And he accompanied me to the various communes where I celebrated Mass.
00:06:47And he convinced me that maybe I didn't have a great passion,
00:06:52but a strong bond based on values more than trust or anything else.
00:07:03So she says that mine wasn't a great passion.
00:07:06But, Daniela, you have the soul of an artist.
00:07:08What did his temperament have in common with his passions, his dreams,
00:07:13with an honest accountant, with an honest clerk?
00:07:16We had our plans to build our life and we built our new house
00:07:22in Heingen, the place where I was born, because the municipality was very supportive of my project
00:07:29to found a private school.
00:07:34Singing?
00:07:35To start a singing and music school.
00:07:38Listen, but then beyond the industrious part of your existence as a couple,
00:07:44How were your relationships going?
00:07:46So, as long as we had these plans, marriage was fine with me.
00:07:52Let's say, the problems arose between us when I started to have my head
00:07:58just for singing anymore.
00:07:59It seems that her husband could not tolerate his wife's star shining beyond the
00:08:06home dining room.
00:08:07He couldn't stand his wife being the center of attention like that.
00:08:10So jealousy.
00:08:11And apparently the arguments begin.
00:08:14Exact.
00:08:15However, in 2005 your marriage ended completely.
00:08:22You separate.
00:08:23So the dream of bel canto takes precedence over the love story.
00:08:27this story, this marriage scrapped now, right?
00:08:31Well, to chase this dream, apparently, she begins to come very often.
00:08:36in Italy, right?
00:08:36Yes.
00:08:37Which is the great part of the lyric.
00:08:39I had met Giancarlo del Monaco at an audition.
00:08:44Giancarlo del Monaco is one of the sons of the great, let's say, how many children does he have?
00:08:49Mario del Monaco had two sons, Giancarlo and Claudio.
00:08:52And Claudio.
00:08:53I was hoping that in a private audition in front of him, he could give me a chance.
00:08:59And he gave it to me.
00:09:02I remembered something she told me once we met.
00:09:06She told me that, to follow her great passion, her dream,
00:09:12her goal was to approach, she actually used the term approach,
00:09:17like one of the brothers of Monaco, that is, the sons of Mario del Monaco,
00:09:20with the great tenor who illuminated the world of opera.
00:09:23She told me that my goal was to hook up with one of the brothers.
00:09:29And he hooks up with Giancarlo.
00:09:31Yes.
00:09:32I hooked up with Giancarlo in that audition.
00:09:39and he told me, I'll give you the three, and he wanted to be my mentor.
00:09:46Mentor in German?
00:09:47Yes, yes, well he's a mentor.
00:09:48Is it clear?
00:09:49Yes, yes, of course.
00:09:51Also in Italian.
00:09:52Let us remember that Giancarlo and Claudio are both directors,
00:09:58they are artistic directors, and therefore they are very present in the world of opera,
00:10:03especially Giancarlo at the time, right?
00:10:05So Giancarlo follows her, what's happening?
00:10:07Does it offer you any opportunities?
00:10:13Giancarlo sent me on a musical path,
00:10:22and then he didn't worry anymore,
00:10:25because he mixed up my school and his private life
00:10:36and it made a big mess in my life.
00:10:41The master of the Monk is not here.
00:10:43She's saying that, those half sentences that leave you to understand,
00:10:48but he takes responsibility for what he says,
00:10:50because the master of Monaco is not here to say...
00:10:53His.
00:10:53His.
00:10:54Here you are.
00:10:55How long does this, let's say, working relationship last?
00:11:00Let's call it, let's limit it to the scope of work.
00:11:03He promised to be my mentor, he didn't.
00:11:06He also made some moves,
00:11:08But he didn't worry like a real mentor would.
00:11:14I was fascinated by Mario del Monaco's planet
00:11:18and now I was missing the last one, who was Claudio.
00:11:21Claudio del Monaco.
00:11:23That is, the one who later became her husband.
00:11:25Exact.
00:11:25I took courage,
00:11:27I had met him on one occasion in Bologna in the theatre,
00:11:32he had given me his cell phone,
00:11:34I said I want to do a masterclass
00:11:36which is called the Mario del Monaco masterclass
00:11:38and I miss the last brother.
00:11:39And since I had invested in Mario del Monaco
00:11:43and I had a virus called Mario.
00:11:45He was obsessed, in short.
00:11:47An obsession, let's say.
00:11:48And I missed him.
00:11:50Here you are.
00:11:50Well.
00:11:51I took my cell phone and said
00:11:53where is this man?
00:11:55I...
00:11:55Although I might find it in China.
00:11:59I called him,
00:12:00he was very kind
00:12:02and I said
00:12:03Master of the Monk
00:12:05would perhaps like to take an interest
00:12:07for a masterclass.
00:12:09Yes, but why not?
00:12:10I got this phone call
00:12:11with a heart that beat like this.
00:12:14Yes.
00:12:15We made an appointment
00:12:16and I said
00:12:17look, I'm coming to Belgrade in November
00:12:19and I left 1800 km by car to Belgrade.
00:12:24From Germany.
00:12:25Yes.
00:12:25So she goes to meet
00:12:26Monaco's second.
00:12:28So what?
00:12:29Since things didn't go well with the first one
00:12:30I'll go to him.
00:12:31Here you are.
00:12:32And things develop completely differently.
00:12:35So
00:12:36she
00:12:37meets Claudio del Monaco.
00:12:41He makes me
00:12:42but he's 30 years old
00:12:43but she
00:12:45why should it be
00:12:46too old to sing?
00:12:49Let me hear
00:12:50Do you want to try?
00:12:52I said
00:12:53yes I want to try.
00:12:55and he showed me
00:12:57what is singing
00:12:58with the diaphragm down.
00:13:00Meaning what
00:13:01in technique
00:13:03that I was looking for
00:13:0313 years old
00:13:04of my life.
00:13:05That is the technique
00:13:06of Monaco
00:13:07by Mario del Monaco.
00:13:08And he awakened
00:13:10the dream
00:13:10to sing.
00:13:12Let's start by saying
00:13:12that Claudio del Monaco
00:13:13lived in Serbia
00:13:15in Belgrade
00:13:17because he also had
00:13:18of the assignments
00:13:18important in Serbia.
00:13:20My husband was in Serbia
00:13:22superintendent
00:13:23of the Belgrade Opera
00:13:24superintendent
00:13:25from Novi Sad.
00:13:26He was also a councilor.
00:13:27of the minister
00:13:27I think it's about culture.
00:13:29Alright
00:13:29let's get into the relationship
00:13:31which develops
00:13:32between her
00:13:33and Claudio
00:13:34because she invites him
00:13:35to go to Germany
00:13:36No?
00:13:37Exact.
00:13:37And she invites him
00:13:38to give a masterclass
00:13:40first of all
00:13:41I invited him
00:13:42for 10 days
00:13:44to come to my house
00:13:45to live in my house
00:13:47in the apartment
00:13:48that I had
00:13:49and to have it
00:13:50at your complete disposal
00:13:52for me.
00:13:52In short
00:13:53he made him stupid
00:13:54completely
00:13:56why do we say
00:13:57him
00:13:57he is a nice gentleman
00:13:59it fascinated me
00:14:00he is a man
00:14:01very interesting
00:14:02but let's say
00:14:03who is 30 years old
00:14:03more than her
00:14:04Yes
00:14:05I have never seen
00:14:06this as a problem
00:14:08On the contrary
00:14:09when I finally got it
00:14:10married
00:14:10he said
00:14:11All right
00:14:11you are 30 years old
00:14:12more than me
00:14:12the next 30 years
00:14:13they are mine
00:14:14otherwise I won't marry you.
00:14:17Anyway
00:14:18Claudio
00:14:20moreover
00:14:20as far as I know
00:14:21he was also a womanizer
00:14:23how do you say
00:14:23in my area
00:14:24it's a property
00:14:25which moreover
00:14:26he had behind him
00:14:27two marriages
00:14:28scrapped
00:14:29what fascinates her about him
00:14:30beyond the surname
00:14:31I did not marry
00:14:32my husband
00:14:32for the surname
00:14:35I married him
00:14:36my husband
00:14:38for the passion
00:14:39who woke up
00:14:39inside me
00:14:40because I insist
00:14:41let's say a whole
00:14:42if Claudio del monaco
00:14:43if it hadn't been called
00:14:44of the monk
00:14:45if it hadn't been
00:14:46son
00:14:46of the great
00:14:47unforgettable
00:14:48Mario del Monaco
00:14:49Here you are
00:14:50if it hadn't been
00:14:51him too
00:14:51director
00:14:51man of the theater
00:14:52In short
00:14:54moreover
00:14:54talent scout
00:14:55sure that she
00:14:56she would have been interested
00:14:58you won't even have met him
00:14:59alright
00:15:01Anyway
00:15:01in his falling in love
00:15:02for Claudio del Monaco
00:15:03and I insist
00:15:04on this point
00:15:06even on an unconscious level
00:15:08he engraved
00:15:08to some extent
00:15:09hope
00:15:10that he could
00:15:11somehow
00:15:11make it easier
00:15:12in the career
00:15:13of opera singer
00:15:16to be honest
00:15:19my husband
00:15:20he brought me
00:15:21from Heijingen
00:15:22a small town
00:15:24but he's not answering me
00:15:25she has to answer me
00:15:26on that
00:15:27that I asked her
00:15:28it worked
00:15:29about her?
00:15:30that is, in some way
00:15:31it had an impact on her
00:15:32this secret hope
00:15:34that he could
00:15:34open them
00:15:35those doors
00:15:36that is, she
00:15:37she fell in love
00:15:37of him
00:15:38Yes
00:15:38so in short
00:15:39it was true love
00:15:41Yes
00:15:41but true love
00:15:43widely reciprocated
00:15:44I'll remove the but
00:15:45why Claudio del monaco
00:15:47he falls in love
00:15:47madly about her
00:15:48it doesn't make a great effort
00:15:50just look at her
00:15:53it's not how much beauty
00:15:55but the charge
00:15:56of this woman
00:15:57a charge
00:15:59of a unique femininity
00:16:02and above all
00:16:02the determination
00:16:03of this woman
00:16:04There are
00:16:05thirty years of difference
00:16:06between me and Daniela
00:16:09I placed myself
00:16:10the problem
00:16:14and I solved it
00:16:17because I'm in love
00:16:18and love has no age
00:16:20this is my opinion
00:16:22I believe that equally
00:16:23Daniela thinks about it too
00:16:25if initially
00:16:26I thought
00:16:28That
00:16:29I
00:16:30being a son
00:16:31by Mario del Monaco
00:16:32could
00:16:34could have
00:16:36a fast lane
00:16:38towards
00:16:40of this beautiful lady
00:16:43and instead
00:16:45it has proven to be
00:16:49the opposite
00:16:50why it was addressed
00:16:52this speech
00:16:53between me and her
00:16:54then he answered me
00:16:55if I didn't have a career
00:16:59I will always be
00:17:01by your side
00:17:01and this was given to me
00:17:04sufficient
00:17:05here but
00:17:06beyond
00:17:08the burning ones
00:17:09love promises
00:17:10Claudio
00:17:11he promises her
00:17:12also to assert
00:17:14his talent
00:17:16to make it known
00:17:17even to throw it
00:17:18in the world of opera
00:17:19my husband
00:17:20it has always been
00:17:21very honest with me
00:17:24I can't sing
00:17:25for you
00:17:26he taught me
00:17:28the technique
00:17:28but
00:17:29he never told me
00:17:31Done
00:17:32hopes
00:17:34saying
00:17:35you will become
00:17:36a large one
00:17:36big
00:17:37great singer
00:17:38Anyway
00:17:39Mrs. Daniela
00:17:39you exactly
00:17:40you met in 2006
00:17:41if it's not true
00:17:42the date is right
00:17:43you decide to get married
00:17:44a year later
00:17:46Yes
00:17:46about a year later
00:17:47I left Germany
00:17:49we went to live
00:17:50in Serbia
00:17:50listen Daniela
00:17:51when she enters
00:17:52in Claudio's life
00:17:53of Monaco
00:17:54he also enters his family
00:17:55Claudio's relatives
00:17:56they look favorably
00:17:58this union
00:17:58between her and Claudio
00:17:59No
00:18:01I have never been accepted
00:18:02on the side
00:18:04of his family
00:18:05and even less
00:18:06him
00:18:06from my family
00:18:08let's start with the family
00:18:09by Claudio
00:18:09Therefore
00:18:10a disaster
00:18:11she remembers
00:18:12what the reasons were
00:18:14of this
00:18:15Like this
00:18:15hostility
00:18:16towards him
00:18:17to tie myself to Daniela
00:18:19I fell for it
00:18:19the world on top of you
00:18:20I had
00:18:214-5 people
00:18:25that they are
00:18:31overturned
00:18:32about me
00:18:34and about Daniela
00:18:35to search
00:18:36to stop
00:18:36this marriage
00:18:37marriage
00:18:38this marriage
00:18:39he doesn't know what to do
00:18:40precisely because
00:18:41he doesn't know what to do
00:18:42he knows what to do
00:18:43don't mention it
00:18:45if I let myself be influenced
00:18:46or from the family
00:18:47or from others
00:18:49I couldn't
00:18:52explain to me
00:18:53this position
00:18:55that they took
00:18:58it's clear
00:18:59that the 30 years
00:19:00of difference
00:19:01they were not
00:19:01well seen
00:19:02Why
00:19:03naturally
00:19:03they said
00:19:04she's a little singer
00:19:05that goes
00:19:08to hang
00:19:10Claudio
00:19:10with
00:19:10youth
00:19:12with everything
00:19:13in the end
00:19:13she just wants to sing
00:19:15Anyway
00:19:16the whole family
00:19:17all family members
00:19:18they judged her
00:19:18let's talk to each other
00:19:19a calculator
00:19:20they thought
00:19:21they were convinced
00:19:22that she
00:19:22had enchanted
00:19:24the very lover
00:19:25Claudio
00:19:25and had induced him
00:19:26moreover
00:19:27to marry her
00:19:28to wear
00:19:28the monocon's surname
00:19:29they were getting scattered
00:19:30Why
00:19:32I already had
00:19:33before knowing
00:19:34my husband
00:19:35I had already decided
00:19:36not to sing
00:19:37and I would have been ready
00:19:39to do any work
00:19:41just to stay
00:19:42with my husband
00:19:43with Claudio
00:19:44Anyway
00:19:44she
00:19:45and to Claudio
00:19:46she is being screwed
00:19:47cheerfully
00:19:47of dissent
00:19:49of family members
00:19:49by Claudio
00:19:50and you get married
00:19:51in December 2007
00:19:52Here you are
00:19:53she was happy
00:19:53Mrs. Daniela?
00:19:54it was the day
00:19:55more beautiful
00:19:56of my life
00:19:56but I
00:19:57I'm going back there
00:19:58I'm a stubborn person
00:19:59why 30 years difference
00:20:01between her and Claudio
00:20:02Here you are
00:20:02but by binding himself to Claudio
00:20:04Here you are
00:20:05marrying him
00:20:05he didn't think
00:20:06when I will have
00:20:0750 years
00:20:08and it will still be
00:20:10a girl
00:20:10and we think
00:20:11to the waves
00:20:12of all 50 years
00:20:13that at this moment
00:20:13he listens to us
00:20:15he will be 80
00:20:17Here you are
00:20:17Here you are
00:20:18she didn't think about it
00:20:18In short
00:20:19yes yes
00:20:19I was forced to think
00:20:21because she was my mother
00:20:22who told me
00:20:23clear and round
00:20:23what do you want to do
00:20:24marry Claudio
00:20:25and in ten years
00:20:26you're a nurse
00:20:27and she
00:20:28I said
00:20:28if I have ten good years
00:20:29with this husband
00:20:31I will settle for that
00:20:32and I will do
00:20:33what needs to be done
00:20:35for my husband
00:20:36and this I say
00:20:36even today
00:20:37Mrs. Daniela
00:20:38we talked
00:20:39of the family storm
00:20:41which shook
00:20:42the monk's family
00:20:43when did you get married
00:20:45Here you are
00:20:45but his family members
00:20:47Mrs. Daniela
00:20:48how they react
00:20:49in front of that
00:20:50to this choice of love
00:20:51choosing to marry Claudio
00:20:52if one can take
00:20:54family hatred
00:20:55of the monk
00:20:55against me
00:20:56and the hatred of my family
00:20:58against my husband
00:20:59it's certainly not less
00:21:01In short
00:21:01a beautiful war
00:21:03Montecchia and Capulet
00:21:16Despite the hostilities
00:21:17of both families
00:21:21you get married
00:21:22and she moves
00:21:23in Belgrade
00:21:23but from the moment
00:21:24that for her
00:21:25the song
00:21:25it was a reason for living
00:21:27Claudio
00:21:28he can do it
00:21:29have contacts
00:21:30succeeds
00:21:30somehow
00:21:31to insert it
00:21:32In short
00:21:33because he
00:21:34he had connections
00:21:35to Claudio
00:21:36to that degree
00:21:39Claudio was calling
00:21:40for me
00:21:42always with a department
00:21:44it's not that it's built
00:21:45right away
00:21:45at the same time
00:21:47we were forced
00:21:48to earn
00:21:48even some money
00:21:49so
00:21:50the road
00:21:50it was to do concerts
00:21:52and she
00:21:52did he do these concerts?
00:21:54he brought me
00:21:54in Vienna
00:21:55I sang
00:21:56in Vienna
00:21:58in the Russian embassy
00:22:01I sang
00:22:02in the Italian embassy
00:22:03Always
00:22:04I can say
00:22:06with great success
00:22:07Therefore
00:22:10his relationship
00:22:11with Claudio
00:22:12was starting to give
00:22:12its fruits
00:22:13Anyway
00:22:15Mrs. Daniela
00:22:16her husband
00:22:17in addition to being
00:22:17madly in love
00:22:18her
00:22:18undoubtedly
00:22:19he believed
00:22:19in his talent
00:22:20and he believed it
00:22:21to the point
00:22:21to invest
00:22:23All
00:22:23about her
00:22:24in that
00:22:24what we can call
00:22:25the project
00:22:25Daniela
00:22:26and to realize
00:22:27this project
00:22:28her husband
00:22:28makes a choice
00:22:29strong
00:22:29also very brave
00:22:30renunciation
00:22:31to all his commitments
00:22:32professional
00:22:32in Belgrade
00:22:34and moves
00:22:35with her
00:22:35in Italy
00:22:35but
00:22:37Daniela
00:22:38it's a choice
00:22:38that her husband
00:22:39he did
00:22:40because she
00:22:41he pressed
00:22:41to come to Italy
00:22:42we have decided
00:22:45Together
00:22:45In short
00:22:46she is not that
00:22:46he took it
00:22:47with the gun
00:22:47to the cure
00:22:49but
00:22:49essentially
00:22:50her husband
00:22:50he seconded
00:22:52this desire of his
00:22:53not only because
00:22:54Italy
00:22:55it's the big one
00:22:56homeland of opera
00:22:57but probably
00:22:58her husband
00:22:58he thought
00:22:59that also
00:23:00the name
00:23:00by Delmonaco
00:23:01in Italy
00:23:03could have
00:23:03a resonance
00:23:04could have
00:23:05a relapse
00:23:06about her
00:23:07much more
00:23:08much more valid
00:23:10this analysis is correct
00:23:11Daniela
00:23:12Here you are
00:23:12but when she
00:23:13and Claudio
00:23:14you are moving to Italy
00:23:15Mrs. Daniela
00:23:16where did she go
00:23:16to live?
00:23:17her husband
00:23:18in Italy
00:23:18had accommodation
00:23:20had at his disposal
00:23:21No
00:23:22Nothing
00:23:22this choice
00:23:23to come to Italy
00:23:24Mrs. Daniela
00:23:25it is demonstrated
00:23:26a winning choice
00:23:27what does it resolve into
00:23:28this transfer
00:23:30in Italy
00:23:31so much wanted
00:23:32from her
00:23:33in Italy
00:23:33we didn't succeed
00:23:35in this period
00:23:37I had Vienna
00:23:38we went
00:23:39in Italy
00:23:40and from Italy
00:23:41in Vienna
00:23:42that is, up and down
00:23:44because she
00:23:45he could sing
00:23:45in Vienna
00:23:46Yes
00:23:46in Italy
00:23:47No
00:23:47but in Italy
00:23:48her husband
00:23:49but try
00:23:50in all ways
00:23:50to get her
00:23:51of the hearings
00:23:52because it seems
00:23:52that the hearings
00:23:53were going well
00:23:55and then things go badly
00:23:56were the productions
00:23:57then basically
00:23:58Exactly
00:23:58the theaters
00:23:59that they didn't have
00:24:00the funds
00:24:00this is called
00:24:01IEL
00:24:01the country
00:24:01Anyway
00:24:03Daniela
00:24:03her husband's commitment
00:24:05as far as I know
00:24:05it is not like that
00:24:07to succeed
00:24:08to get
00:24:09for her
00:24:10of the engagements
00:24:10significant
00:24:11Here you are
00:24:12at that point
00:24:13she didn't sing
00:24:15her husband
00:24:16he didn't work
00:24:17how did you do it?
00:24:18to support you
00:24:19in essence?
00:24:20my husband
00:24:20he started
00:24:21to sell
00:24:21his things
00:24:24of the heritage
00:24:25who had
00:24:26still from his father
00:24:27why we had to live
00:24:28that is, things
00:24:29very very precious
00:24:31as for example
00:24:32an original score
00:24:34by Othello
00:24:37that we know
00:24:38what was it
00:24:38his father
00:24:39with Othello
00:24:40the largest
00:24:41Othello of history
00:24:42and how pale you are
00:24:51who is tired and silent
00:24:56and beautiful
00:25:03and beautiful
00:25:05and beautiful
00:25:07and beautiful
00:25:07and beautiful
00:25:08treatment
00:25:08cured
00:25:13under malignant
00:25:16the star
00:25:18anyway the situation
00:25:20at that point
00:25:21it was getting serious
00:25:21own
00:25:22very serious
00:25:23for you
00:25:24and again
00:25:25at the start
00:25:26of the depth
00:25:28we had to
00:25:28we had to
00:25:29had to arrive
00:25:30but
00:25:31Speaking of which
00:25:32of the difficulties
00:25:32that were troubling
00:25:33she
00:25:35her husband
00:25:35she declared
00:25:36on record
00:25:37Mrs. Daniela
00:25:38that her husband
00:25:38for pure survival
00:25:40would have even
00:25:42sold
00:25:43let's just say
00:25:44sold out
00:25:45to a gentleman
00:25:45which we do not do
00:25:46the name
00:25:47copyright
00:25:48of production
00:25:49record company
00:25:50by Mario del Monaco
00:25:51for only
00:25:528 thousand euros
00:25:53it's right
00:25:53Mrs. Daniela?
00:25:54it's right
00:25:55that he sold
00:25:56and did not hold
00:25:56not even a penny
00:25:57he didn't hold
00:25:58not even a penny
00:25:59Why
00:25:59in front
00:26:00of these 8 thousand euros
00:26:01what did you have?
00:26:03does she mean?
00:26:05this person
00:26:07he said he was
00:26:08great friend
00:26:09he gave us
00:26:10for 4 months
00:26:12a little one
00:26:13apartment
00:26:14that certainly
00:26:15it didn't cost
00:26:168 thousand euros
00:26:17and he put us out
00:26:19for a day
00:26:20to the other
00:26:20of this apartment
00:26:21he put us
00:26:22in half
00:26:23the road
00:26:24for like her
00:26:25he told it
00:26:26this gentleman
00:26:26would have
00:26:27on the conditional
00:26:28taken advantage of
00:26:29let's tell the truth
00:26:30of the situation
00:26:32economic
00:26:32of indigence
00:26:33of yours
00:26:34of her husband
00:26:35and practically
00:26:36these quarrels
00:26:37by the author
00:26:37if there would be
00:26:38starved to death
00:26:39let's say
00:26:39let's say
00:26:40the ugly one
00:26:40Here you are
00:26:41the fact is
00:26:42that when
00:26:42the water
00:26:42it reaches the throat
00:26:43to stay afloat
00:26:44you can hold on to it
00:26:45even to the fin
00:26:46of a shark
00:26:46In short
00:26:47Here you are
00:26:47see Mrs. Daniera
00:26:49what it really is
00:26:50heartbreaking
00:26:51in this story
00:26:52which is his
00:26:53Mrs. Daniera
00:26:53but that is to his credit
00:26:55Claudio del Monaco
00:26:56is this
00:26:57yours
00:26:58slow
00:26:59painful
00:26:59descent
00:27:00to hell
00:27:01why people
00:27:02like you
00:27:03with yours
00:27:04individual history
00:27:05with yours
00:27:06also culture
00:27:07that they see
00:27:08to wear out
00:27:09their destiny
00:27:10like a candle
00:27:11that is fading away
00:27:12but
00:27:13under that dark sky
00:27:15Mrs. Daniera
00:27:15the relationship between her
00:27:16and her husband
00:27:17How did they work?
00:27:25we lived
00:27:26this time
00:27:27of great difficulty
00:27:29on one side
00:27:31painfully
00:27:34and from another
00:27:35we have arrived
00:27:37at a depth
00:27:38of our love
00:27:39one for the other
00:27:40it's been years
00:27:42that we have experienced
00:27:44at a minimum
00:27:46of existence
00:27:47not even anymore
00:27:48and it must be said
00:27:48that she
00:27:49Mrs. Daniera
00:27:50these inconveniences
00:27:51he faced them
00:27:52for a period
00:27:53long too
00:27:54staying close by
00:27:55to Claudio
00:27:55tenaciously
00:27:56because in this regard
00:27:59they call into question
00:27:59his mother
00:28:00his mother
00:28:01he declared
00:28:02to the public prosecutor
00:28:03that in June
00:28:04of 2011
00:28:04that is to say
00:28:05six months ago
00:28:07of the bad episode
00:28:08he had called her
00:28:10on the phone
00:28:11to wish her a happy birthday
00:28:11True?
00:28:13birthday wishes
00:28:14and he had heard it
00:28:15distressed
00:28:16depressed
00:28:17weeping
00:28:17at that point
00:28:19his mother
00:28:19he had told her
00:28:19Daniela
00:28:20but come home
00:28:21come back
00:28:22returns to Germany
00:28:23but
00:28:24come back
00:28:25without Claudio
00:28:27if I remember it
00:28:28This
00:28:28but she
00:28:29Mrs. Daniera
00:28:30he had answered
00:28:31to his mother
00:28:31my Claudio
00:28:32my Claudio
00:28:34practically
00:28:34without Claudio
00:28:36she Daniera
00:28:37he didn't accept
00:28:37to move
00:28:38he didn't accept
00:28:39to live
00:28:40Here you are
00:28:40Therefore
00:28:41despite the inconveniences
00:28:42and despite
00:28:43the deprivations
00:28:43she was
00:28:44very close
00:28:45still to her husband
00:28:45it's like this
00:28:46she was crying
00:28:47he was desperate
00:28:48he was going haywire
00:28:49of hardship
00:28:50but
00:28:50remained attached
00:28:51to him
00:28:51like a mussel
00:28:52let's say
00:28:52what it is
00:28:54and this
00:28:55in my land
00:28:56is called
00:28:56Love
00:28:57Daniela
00:28:58it's like this
00:28:59I got married
00:29:00in the good
00:29:01and in evil
00:29:03in fact she
00:29:03in that period
00:29:04I said
00:29:05over a long period
00:29:06he faced
00:29:06unthinkable inconveniences
00:29:08at a certain point
00:29:09but
00:29:10in relationships
00:29:10between her
00:29:11and her husband
00:29:11something changes
00:29:13in fact, a lot changes
00:29:15maximally
00:29:16on his part
00:29:17Daniela
00:29:18towards
00:29:19by Claudio
00:29:19because she
00:29:20at a certain point
00:29:21it seems to foam
00:29:22resentment
00:29:22to foam with rage
00:29:23towards
00:29:24of her husband
00:29:25so much so that
00:29:26as far as I know
00:29:27they also start
00:29:28the arguments
00:29:29they start a little
00:29:30the storms
00:29:31among you
00:29:31but it was predictable
00:29:32but
00:29:33because to foam
00:29:34anger
00:29:35it was her
00:29:35Daniela
00:29:36Here you are
00:29:36there was something
00:29:37in particular
00:29:38that she
00:29:38he was scolding
00:29:39to her husband
00:29:40to Claudio
00:29:42you have to be honest
00:29:43even with oneself
00:29:44more than with the others
00:29:45she took charge
00:29:46to her husband
00:29:47of not having
00:29:47done enough
00:29:48for her
00:29:49to make her
00:29:50a star of the dirica
00:29:52In short
00:29:52he was scolding
00:29:53this a little
00:29:54to Claudio
00:29:54a bit
00:29:55I said very little
00:29:56At that time
00:29:57In short
00:29:57Therefore
00:29:58I
00:30:00at that time
00:30:01I was there
00:30:02I said
00:30:02you tell me that the voice
00:30:03it's okay
00:30:04tell me the repettore
00:30:05it's okay
00:30:06why don't you call
00:30:09why don't you look
00:30:13of the concerts
00:30:15why not
00:30:15you don't hook up
00:30:21and my husband
00:30:22more pressure
00:30:23I was doing
00:30:24further back
00:30:26he was going
00:30:27but why
00:30:28he no longer believed
00:30:29in his talent
00:30:30Why
00:30:31Mrs. Daniela
00:30:32I want to be brutal
00:30:33with her
00:30:34in certain cases
00:30:35we go there
00:30:35even alone
00:30:36why didn't she do it
00:30:37in first person
00:30:38In short
00:30:39there can't always be one
00:30:39to lean on others
00:30:40but it didn't come to me
00:30:42never in mind
00:30:43that I can call
00:30:44a census
00:30:45to do
00:30:47a hearing
00:30:48why not
00:30:49why didn't I do it?
00:30:51Yes
00:30:51because it's not that we
00:30:52we can always do it
00:30:53to rely on others
00:30:53I was in a whirlwind
00:30:56in
00:30:57that I no longer saw
00:30:58exit
00:30:59And
00:31:00I didn't believe anymore
00:31:02in me
00:31:11to orient ourselves
00:31:13in the delicate
00:31:14path
00:31:14of this
00:31:15your story
00:31:16let's give a date
00:31:16to the events
00:31:17it's September
00:31:18of 2011
00:31:19Here you are
00:31:20at that point
00:31:21the inconveniences
00:31:22the deprivations
00:31:23the dark colors
00:31:24of misery
00:31:24Here you are
00:31:25they couldn't
00:31:26do not cut
00:31:28about her
00:31:28Daniela
00:31:28they couldn't
00:31:29don't mark it
00:31:30in the deep
00:31:31mark it in the physical
00:31:33in the mind
00:31:33in the soul
00:31:34Also
00:31:35Daniela
00:31:36to the point
00:31:37she has to do her duty
00:31:38to resort
00:31:38more than once
00:31:39to the emergency room
00:31:40of the Treviso hospital
00:31:42Yes
00:31:43that's how it is Mrs. Daniela
00:31:45Yes
00:31:46at a certain point
00:31:47what's happening
00:31:50Daniela
00:31:53my husband
00:31:54with
00:31:55this person
00:31:56that you don't want to name
00:31:58let's forget about it
00:31:58this person
00:31:59he brought me
00:32:01in the center
00:32:04Of
00:32:05mental
00:32:07in the hospital
00:32:08psychiatric
00:32:09from Treviso
00:32:09Exactly
00:32:13And
00:32:18I took
00:32:20notably
00:32:21fear
00:32:22of the situation
00:32:25of the manner
00:32:27like my husband
00:32:28he was with me
00:32:30because despite
00:32:32of the love that I
00:32:33I have for my husband
00:32:35the last year
00:32:38my husband
00:32:39it scared me
00:32:45Perhaps
00:32:46maybe I was scary
00:32:46Me too
00:32:47to him
00:32:51Why
00:32:54we didn't talk to each other
00:32:55more
00:32:58he was always out
00:32:59I was alone
00:33:00I left myself
00:33:03go
00:33:08and this fear
00:33:09he brought me
00:33:11probably
00:33:12to a behavior
00:33:13that my husband
00:33:15under the
00:33:15influence
00:33:17of this other one
00:33:18person
00:33:18he brought me
00:33:19to this center
00:33:20this hospital
00:33:21as far as I know
00:33:22she wasn't well
00:33:24Mrs. Daniela
00:33:25but
00:33:25I wasn't well
00:33:26but any of us
00:33:28would be
00:33:29at a certain point
00:33:31fall
00:33:31in a depression
00:33:32deep
00:33:33Here you are
00:33:33given the situation
00:33:34in which you lived
00:33:35and she
00:33:37two or three times
00:33:37was
00:33:39it's gone
00:33:40she was accompanied
00:33:41to the hospital
00:33:43from Treviso
00:33:45the third time
00:33:46practically
00:33:47the sanitary ware
00:33:50the doctors
00:33:51of the hospital
00:33:53they thought
00:33:54necessary
00:33:55take care
00:33:56her
00:33:57hospitalizing her
00:33:58in the department
00:33:59psychiatric
00:34:00for a treatment
00:34:01health care
00:34:01Here you are
00:34:02it's a shelter
00:34:03which continues
00:34:04for a month
00:34:04this is on record
00:34:06she
00:34:06this shelter
00:34:07he experienced it very badly
00:34:08but
00:34:08one thing needs to be said
00:34:09Here you are
00:34:10the sanitary ware
00:34:12the operators
00:34:13of a hospital
00:34:14psychiatric
00:34:15they hospitalize
00:34:16a person
00:34:16if they think so
00:34:18appropriate
00:34:18to do it
00:34:19on the floor
00:34:19clinical
00:34:20Meaning what
00:34:21it would be too much
00:34:22easy
00:34:22and it's too convenient
00:34:23for each of us
00:34:24if you want
00:34:25to get rid of a person
00:34:27accompany her
00:34:28let's say
00:34:29in a hospital
00:34:29have her hospitalized
00:34:30In short
00:34:31This
00:34:31she knows it
00:34:32In short
00:34:32he is a person
00:34:33intelligent
00:34:34if she was
00:34:35hospitalized
00:34:35it's because
00:34:36doctors have
00:34:37deemed
00:34:37that she needs
00:34:38for help
00:34:38at that moment
00:34:39to be supported
00:34:41I am
00:34:41I was hospitalized
00:34:43and I didn't understand
00:34:45how is it possible
00:34:47that I
00:34:47I have to stay
00:34:49in the hospital
00:34:51Meaning what
00:34:51no one explained it to me
00:34:52so
00:34:53I was in bed
00:34:55tied up
00:34:58and I was out
00:34:59about me
00:35:01but right outside
00:35:03but he blamed
00:35:04to her husband
00:35:04but the fault
00:35:05it wasn't her husband's
00:35:06but for example
00:35:07a question
00:35:08her husband
00:35:08in the period
00:35:10in which
00:35:10she was hospitalized
00:35:11was he coming to visit her?
00:35:12my husband
00:35:13he slept at night
00:35:14in the emergency room
00:35:16to be
00:35:17all day
00:35:17with me
00:35:19Mrs. Daniele
00:35:20she
00:35:21as far as I know
00:35:22in his
00:35:24loss
00:35:25in that period
00:35:25he started
00:35:26to be wary
00:35:26by Claudio
00:35:27that at a certain point
00:35:28run away
00:35:29disappears
00:35:38I disappeared
00:35:40I don't know
00:35:41where did I go
00:35:42how did it go?
00:35:43to finish
00:35:43I had found
00:35:45a group
00:35:47Of
00:35:48trees
00:35:49of woods
00:35:50and there
00:35:51I hid
00:35:54And
00:35:56for seven days
00:35:57that I disappeared
00:36:01I ate nothing
00:36:02I drank
00:36:04the water of the ditches
00:36:05And
00:36:06every time
00:36:06when I felt
00:36:07a mermaid
00:36:09of the carabinieri
00:36:10or the ambulance
00:36:13I was coming back
00:36:14in my woods
00:36:14little wood
00:36:16Yes
00:36:18I slept
00:36:19very, very much
00:36:21money
00:36:22I didn't have any
00:36:23go around
00:36:24it scared me
00:36:29I didn't have
00:36:30a thought
00:36:32clear
00:36:33Then
00:36:34After
00:36:35after six
00:36:37seven days
00:36:37I'm back
00:36:39at the hotel
00:36:39where I was
00:36:40first with my husband
00:36:41but if someone asks me
00:36:42now why
00:36:43I went to finish
00:36:44in these woods
00:36:44because I was
00:36:49full of fear
00:36:50a terror
00:36:51to return
00:36:52in the hospital
00:36:53Perhaps
00:36:53that her husband
00:36:55brought her back
00:36:55yes but
00:36:57the question
00:36:58that really
00:36:59it is essential
00:36:59but he wasn't afraid
00:37:01she
00:37:01to be alone
00:37:02at night
00:37:03in the dark
00:37:04let's say
00:37:05she calls it forest
00:37:06they will have been
00:37:08four trees
00:37:09but he wasn't afraid
00:37:10she
00:37:10what he ate
00:37:11he didn't eat
00:37:13he didn't drink
00:37:13he drank the water
00:37:14of the pits
00:37:15she is a rock
00:37:16why another one
00:37:16she would be hospitalized
00:37:18for hepatitis
00:37:20In short
00:37:20but anyway
00:37:21she lived like a savage
00:37:22essentially
00:37:23not substantially
00:37:25precisely in itself
00:37:26and I didn't do it
00:37:27not even
00:37:28the thoughts
00:37:29where to go
00:37:30the first days
00:37:31I wanted to go away
00:37:31from my husband
00:37:32because he was for me
00:37:34the bad guy
00:37:34that he wanted to put on me
00:37:35in the hospital
00:37:36point
00:37:37her husband
00:37:37then he told
00:37:38that when after a week
00:37:39she's back
00:37:41In short
00:37:41she was in a pitiful state
00:37:43it was dirty
00:37:44the shave
00:37:45it was all scratched
00:37:46In short
00:37:48maybe some animals
00:37:49they had it too
00:37:50renoculated
00:37:50I slept on the floor
00:37:51she didn't think
00:37:52as much as he could
00:37:53be on alert
00:37:54her husband
00:37:55he didn't care
00:37:56what did my husband do
00:37:58in this time
00:37:59I don't know
00:37:59to me
00:38:00this man
00:38:01he only had
00:38:02made more scary
00:38:02Therefore
00:38:03not only with
00:38:05so I didn't deal with it
00:38:06very much like he feels
00:38:08I was busy
00:38:09of how I felt
00:38:10Anyway
00:38:13to give a date
00:38:14to the events
00:38:15this episode
00:38:17that can be defined as singular
00:38:18it's an understatement
00:38:20it occurs
00:38:21in September
00:38:22of 2012
00:38:25that is, substantially
00:38:27three months ago
00:38:28of what we call
00:38:29the fact
00:38:48they go
00:38:48listen Mrs. Daniera but since the relationship with your husband had reached a breaking point
00:38:55since your situation was now, in dire poverty, on the edge of liveability
00:39:02why didn't she return to Germany?
00:39:04why if he didn't go back home?
00:39:06his mother, his brother, why didn't he come home?
00:39:09my relationship with my mother
00:39:11we don't understand each other
00:39:14family ties were so disturbed
00:39:18that I could not count on a trust
00:39:21I knew how my mother would see a future for me
00:39:26and I didn't go
00:39:27there was no talk of it
00:39:29but you see Mrs. Daniera
00:39:30so that we can understand why what happened
00:39:34it's important to go through everything
00:39:36that bumpy road that made her and Claudio slip
00:39:40in the darkness of hell
00:39:42in that hell called misery
00:39:44and we will do it together Mrs. Daniera
00:39:46even though I know it's painful for her to do so
00:39:51see Mrs. Daniera
00:39:52poverty is not a shame
00:39:55it's an empty space
00:39:56it's loneliness, it's desperation
00:39:59and sincerely
00:40:01it's terrible
00:40:02the thought is truly unbearable
00:40:04that a person like you Mrs. Daniera
00:40:07the thought that he is also the son of the great Mario del Monaco
00:40:12that you could have been reduced to this
00:40:16in the darkest misery
00:40:20in the desolation of a poverty without spaces of light
00:40:24well, there was no one at all, Mrs. Daniera, who could help you.
00:40:28we ended up at the train stations
00:40:31why we tried
00:40:34the heat
00:40:36Why
00:40:40we had
00:40:42these two months
00:40:43September and October
00:40:44with hospitalization
00:40:49and my husband
00:40:51for me it was just important
00:40:53where he was
00:40:55he brought me
00:40:57I can tell the station
00:40:59in the quarter of Altino
00:41:03that there were two banks inside
00:41:05wooden
00:41:08which we slept on
00:41:10but the first night we made it out
00:41:12not on the banks
00:41:15standing
00:41:16because there was no possibility of doing anything
00:41:19and the station was closed at night
00:41:25then we lived for two and a half months
00:41:28at this station
00:41:42a friend called that friend
00:41:45He brought the great help of four banini and two bottles of wine
00:41:51once a week
00:41:53plus 10-15 euros
00:41:56if there were so many of them
00:42:00to buy us food
00:42:02every two or three weeks
00:42:04he paid us for one night
00:42:06in a hotel
00:42:09to be able to take a shower
00:42:12to sleep one night on the bed
00:42:15to rest
00:42:18of the railways
00:42:22during the day
00:42:24we got up
00:42:26I
00:42:28I got up
00:42:29at 4.58 in the morning
00:42:32when it was supposed to arrive
00:42:33the first train
00:42:35and people entered the station
00:42:37you had to be sitting on the banks
00:42:39to go to the next station
00:42:43in a large shopping center
00:42:57I didn't eat
00:42:59I was feeding
00:43:00to my husband
00:43:01because I said
00:43:02I have the youngest body
00:43:04I can exploit it
00:43:07he was among us
00:43:08an atmosphere
00:43:09very very tense
00:43:17Anyway
00:43:18her husband
00:43:20he had his family members
00:43:22but they were aware of it
00:43:23of your situation
00:43:26In short
00:43:27you slept on the benches
00:43:29when you found
00:43:30the bench
00:43:31on the benches
00:43:31of the stations
00:43:32you were going
00:43:34in shopping centers
00:43:36to be able to
00:43:36spend the day
00:43:38to wash ourselves
00:43:39first of all
00:43:40in the morning
00:43:41in the bathrooms
00:43:42over there
00:43:43that were big
00:43:44clean
00:43:47and to be warm
00:43:51listen
00:43:52Lady
00:43:53Daniela
00:43:56when she deposed
00:43:57in front of the jeep
00:43:58she
00:43:59to represent him
00:44:00effectively
00:44:01the condition
00:44:01of economic hardship
00:44:03of abject poverty
00:44:03that in the last period
00:44:05you were crossing
00:44:06she and her husband
00:44:07she complained
00:44:08with regret
00:44:09to have
00:44:12lost
00:44:12in the last
00:44:13three months
00:44:14cause of hardship
00:44:15a good 22 kilos
00:44:16corresponds to this
00:44:18Here you are
00:44:19Mrs. Daniela
00:44:20women in general
00:44:22they wear themselves out
00:44:23of diets
00:44:23to lose a few pounds
00:44:25you think I envy
00:44:26for her
00:44:27Mrs. Daniela
00:44:28that in a short time
00:44:28throw down
00:44:30a load of kilos
00:44:31naturally
00:44:32she allows me
00:44:32to play
00:44:33a little with irony
00:44:34to make light of things
00:44:35but
00:44:36she who complains about it
00:44:38who complains
00:44:38of these 22 kilos lost
00:44:40he liked himself more
00:44:40with that furniture
00:44:41of kilos on me
00:44:42a loss
00:44:43of the weight
00:44:44I was taking a risk
00:44:44to lose one's voice
00:44:45completely
00:44:46in this regard
00:44:48I have to admit
00:44:49that I can't resist
00:44:50Mrs. Daniela
00:44:51to temptation
00:44:51to report
00:44:52a comment
00:44:53of the GIP
00:44:53during the interrogation
00:44:55she
00:44:55he spoke
00:44:57of these kilos
00:44:58lost
00:44:58and the judge
00:44:59he told her
00:45:00if I can
00:45:01allow me
00:45:02Lady
00:45:02she is the physicist
00:45:04typical
00:45:04of the Valkyrie
00:45:05it's beautiful
00:45:06No?
00:45:07here it seems
00:45:07to feel
00:45:08the brass
00:45:08she with some brass
00:45:10by Wagner
00:45:10the Valkyries
00:45:12Here you are
00:45:12she remembers it
00:45:13this comment
00:45:14of the GIP
00:45:14Here you are
00:45:15but she remembers
00:45:16what did he answer?
00:45:17she?
00:45:17No
00:45:18and I told him
00:45:18I
00:45:19she said
00:45:20I am a Valkyrie
00:45:23amazing
00:45:24she is really
00:45:24a Valkyrie
00:45:25in the soul
00:45:25why stay
00:45:27Valkyria
00:45:27on that occasion
00:45:28it is to be considered
00:45:30that it is the best
00:45:53Anyway
00:45:54Mrs. Daniela
00:45:55between one discomfort and another
00:45:56she and Claudio
00:45:56overcome that black autumn
00:45:58of 2011
00:45:58and luckily
00:45:59It's Christmas for you too
00:46:01and Santa Claus
00:46:02it materializes
00:46:03in the clothes
00:46:04by Donella del Monaco
00:46:05who is a cousin
00:46:06first degree
00:46:08by Claudio
00:46:08Yes
00:46:09that it wasn't
00:46:10in the know
00:46:10of the situation
00:46:11she doesn't
00:46:12he was abroad
00:46:13and Mrs. Donella
00:46:14makes it available to you
00:46:15provisionally
00:46:17naturally
00:46:17a small apartment
00:46:18of his property
00:46:19in a residence
00:46:20of esolo
00:46:21Exactly
00:46:21Mrs. Donella
00:46:22but finally meet
00:46:23on the head
00:46:25a roof
00:46:26instead of the dark sky
00:46:27of the station
00:46:28Here you are
00:46:28it was safe
00:46:30the serene era
00:46:31No
00:46:32I wasn't sure
00:46:34less serene in the meantime
00:46:35because I now
00:46:36I looked at the whole world
00:46:37like enemies
00:46:38this apartment
00:46:39to stay there
00:46:40I didn't appreciate it
00:46:42I minimally
00:46:45Then
00:46:45the arguments with my husband
00:46:48for my behavior
00:46:50strange
00:46:50but he too
00:46:51it's not that he had
00:46:52a behavior
00:46:53normal
00:46:55Why
00:46:58the railways
00:46:59they have
00:47:01marked
00:47:0130 years older than her
00:47:04eh
00:47:07that we have been
00:47:10three or four days
00:47:12in this apartment
00:47:14Madonna
00:47:14when we have some
00:47:15argued
00:47:16And
00:47:18I was sleeping
00:47:21without worrying too much
00:47:23finally
00:47:24to make me power
00:47:25a shower
00:47:26Anyway
00:47:28going to this little apartment
00:47:30that in the end
00:47:30good or bad
00:47:31it was a sliver of light
00:47:32in the dark
00:47:32of those terrible days
00:47:34she was even
00:47:35worsened
00:47:36it was even more negative
00:47:37even more depressed
00:47:38that never got up again
00:47:39from the bed
00:47:40he didn't speak to him anymore
00:47:41who didn't sleep
00:47:41more with him
00:47:43essentially
00:47:44there were two of you
00:47:45two enemies
00:47:46because she
00:47:47he had it a lot
00:47:47with Claudio
00:47:48at that moment
00:47:49no with everyone
00:47:50but he was the target
00:47:54Mrs. Werner
00:47:55she had come to Italy
00:47:56with a life plan
00:47:58had met
00:48:00the husband
00:48:00the man
00:48:02which would later become
00:48:02her husband
00:48:03having in front
00:48:05a paradigm of his own
00:48:06existential
00:48:07all this is good
00:48:08it was falling apart
00:48:09especially her
00:48:10he could no longer find it easily
00:48:11the streets
00:48:13the solutions
00:48:14within reach
00:48:15and so this block
00:48:17of perspective
00:48:18he made her tear it apart
00:48:21and that would explain
00:48:22because then
00:48:23at a certain point
00:48:23when depressive disorder
00:48:25he went sliding
00:48:26in a more serious dimension
00:48:28psychotic type
00:48:29a person
00:48:31who was her husband
00:48:33of which she however
00:48:34he had the utmost confidence
00:48:36Love
00:48:37and therefore also dependence
00:48:38slowly slowly
00:48:40he transformed himself
00:48:41in a persecutor
00:48:42she was afraid of her husband
00:48:44and then the husband
00:48:45to be married
00:48:46he became an enemy
00:48:48persecutor
00:48:49and it is likely
00:48:50the fundamental reason
00:48:52so then
00:48:53that was the atmosphere
00:48:54psychological
00:48:56dramatic
00:48:57of deep anguish
00:48:58which then fueled
00:48:59the criminal act
00:49:01in that period
00:49:02his life
00:49:02it was like suspended
00:49:03between a dream
00:49:05and a defeat
00:49:06Anyway
00:49:07in those days
00:49:08you were without a doubt
00:49:10exhausted
00:49:11both
00:49:11how he dealt with her
00:49:13her husband
00:49:13in those days?
00:49:15very bad
00:49:16In what sense?
00:49:18when I wanted myself
00:49:19make food
00:49:20he made me
00:49:20some tantrums
00:49:21incredible
00:49:22At that time
00:49:23him for example
00:49:24he cooked the rice
00:49:26those things
00:49:26that we had
00:49:27but when I ate them
00:49:29he made me
00:49:29notably strange comments
00:49:31Meaning what
00:49:32this is my food
00:49:33who said
00:49:34Excuse me
00:49:34this is my food
00:49:35can you help us understand?
00:49:38him
00:49:39him?
00:49:40yes yes
00:49:40he tells me
00:49:41I bought it
00:49:42this is mine
00:49:43and I have an allergy
00:49:45almost against the word
00:49:46mine or yours
00:49:48in marriage
00:49:49for me there is none
00:49:49there is only ours
00:49:50yes but she talked about it
00:49:51as if
00:49:52her husband
00:49:53had starved her
00:49:54really
00:49:54he says you mustn't touch it
00:49:55you don't have to eat
00:49:55Meaning what
00:49:56it's my stuff
00:49:57it was given to me
00:49:58you must starve to death
00:49:59I have to eat it
00:50:00this is how the information reaches me
00:50:02that's how I understood them
00:50:03for example
00:50:03in the night
00:50:04he made order
00:50:06with things to eat
00:50:08with the expenses
00:50:08No?
00:50:09and he put
00:50:10the sugar on the left
00:50:12me at night
00:50:12I got up
00:50:14because something
00:50:15inside me he said
00:50:16you have to get up
00:50:16you have to put things in order
00:50:19he woke up
00:50:20what I'm doing
00:50:23because I was making noise
00:50:24he woke up
00:50:26but you now
00:50:27you're out of your mind
00:50:28you've racked your brains
00:50:29I understand
00:50:30this will never be like this
00:50:31it will never be like this
00:50:33what did he mean?
00:50:34in her opinion
00:50:35in my opinion it was
00:50:36you this eating
00:50:37don't touch
00:50:37because it's all mine
00:50:38Meaning what
00:50:39and he put
00:50:40everything from left to right
00:50:42and she had to look
00:50:43without eating
00:50:43eh
00:50:44everything had to be touched
00:50:45she knows perfectly well
00:50:46that her husband
00:50:47then he denied
00:50:48totally
00:50:49This
00:50:50he said but how
00:50:50I bled myself dry
00:50:51for her
00:50:52I did everything for her
00:50:54that's how it came to me
00:50:56Today I understand it
00:50:57but at the time
00:50:58it was a disaster for me
00:50:59so fight down
00:51:00one more time
00:51:01Yes
00:51:02the fact that
00:51:03you were in such a state
00:51:05of despair
00:51:06both
00:51:07Yes
00:51:08you were fighting over a crust of bread
00:51:10let's all say it
00:51:10Exactly
00:51:11for a piece of toast
00:51:13I couldn't stand it
00:51:15my husband
00:51:16me for example
00:51:17any movement
00:51:18what I was doing
00:51:19it was wrong
00:51:20It is true
00:51:21he is
00:51:22more or less
00:51:24killed for me
00:51:26from all points of view
00:51:29but with me
00:51:30it was ugly
00:51:31I was scared
00:51:34of him
00:51:34but you were
00:51:35exasperated
00:51:36both
00:51:36Mrs. Daniela
00:51:38you were
00:51:39understandably
00:51:40exasperated
00:51:41tired
00:51:41hungry
00:51:42disappointed
00:51:43desperate
00:51:44In short
00:51:45Anyway
00:51:45Mrs. Daniela
00:51:46in the calendar
00:51:48of life
00:51:49there are dates
00:51:50that each of us
00:51:51would like to delete
00:51:52for her
00:51:54for Claudio
00:51:55the date to be deleted
00:51:57It's December 28th
00:51:58of 2011
00:52:00instead Mrs. Daniela
00:52:02in context
00:52:03of this page of life
00:52:05his and Claudio's
00:52:06a page of life
00:52:08so tormented
00:52:09so painful
00:52:09it is marginal
00:52:11analyze in detail
00:52:13like his
00:52:14your hands
00:52:15have moved
00:52:16those knives
00:52:17violent
00:52:18which have reduced
00:52:19Claudio
00:52:20at the end of his life
00:52:21that also on her
00:52:22Mrs. Daniela
00:52:23they opened wounds
00:52:25In short
00:52:26I ask you
00:52:27just this
00:52:28Daniela
00:52:28beyond
00:52:30of those squat ones
00:52:30of bread
00:52:31among you
00:52:32disputes
00:52:33but it's true
00:52:34that to unleash
00:52:35his reaction
00:52:36of anger
00:52:37aggressive
00:52:38it would have been
00:52:39the fact
00:52:39that that morning
00:52:41her husband
00:52:42seeing her
00:52:43so desperate
00:52:45so particularly
00:52:46nervous
00:52:47seeing her agitated
00:52:49he would have put it
00:52:50on alert
00:52:51telling her
00:52:52that if it continued
00:52:53Like this
00:52:53it could have ended
00:52:55again
00:52:55in the hospital
00:52:56psychiatric
00:52:56It is true
00:52:57This
00:53:02he wanted
00:53:07that I called
00:53:09the 118
00:53:13if someone is sick
00:53:16you have to take care of it
00:53:17he said
00:53:18he was screaming
00:53:25and to me
00:53:28he put
00:53:29This
00:53:30a terror
00:53:31but a terror
00:53:41and therefore
00:53:42I put myself
00:53:44under pressure
00:53:46Meaning what
00:53:47I was observing
00:53:48Everything is fine
00:53:48movement
00:53:50of him
00:53:54Why
00:53:55I was scared
00:53:56to go
00:53:56to finish
00:53:57one more time
00:53:57in the hospital
00:53:59that he
00:54:00he called him
00:54:01one more time
00:54:03and I
00:54:04I understood
00:54:05and I didn't understand
00:54:06that I would be
00:54:06gone
00:54:08again
00:54:10tied up
00:54:10so
00:54:12I didn't have
00:54:13more confidence
00:54:14so I was there
00:54:15and I said
00:54:15that
00:54:15something
00:54:16he has it in mind
00:54:17to do
00:54:18to free oneself
00:54:19about me
00:54:22Perhaps
00:54:22it was a thought
00:54:26and this
00:54:27118
00:54:28has become
00:54:28for me
00:54:29a threat
00:54:37I didn't see
00:54:39the doctors
00:54:40as a solution
00:54:41of my life
00:54:42for me
00:54:42I wasn't sick
00:54:43In my opinion
00:54:45I had
00:54:46just need
00:54:46to rest
00:54:47and to eat
00:54:49in peace
00:54:52In short
00:54:56a stadium
00:54:58difficult
00:54:58to be described
00:55:01what one
00:55:03have inside
00:55:04but I remember
00:55:07That
00:55:08I was observing
00:55:10him
00:55:10as a threat
00:55:11to that day
00:55:14much more
00:55:15like other days
00:55:17because I
00:55:18I saw
00:55:18that he
00:55:18he was eating
00:55:19he was drinking
00:55:20and it began
00:55:21to think
00:55:22Meaning what
00:55:25encounter
00:55:26about me
00:55:26I
00:55:27at a certain point
00:55:28I said
00:55:29I want
00:55:30eat
00:55:31Me too
00:55:35but
00:55:41I was scared
00:55:43to touch
00:55:44the expenses
00:55:44because in the night
00:55:46it's not that he
00:55:46he was very kind
00:55:47with me
00:55:48it was a night
00:55:48before I didn't sleep
00:55:50for the
00:55:51question
00:55:52of the expenses
00:55:53from the left
00:55:54To the right
00:55:54and on the way back
00:56:04and then
00:56:07the famous
00:56:08knives
00:56:24Mrs. Daniela
00:56:25there are moments
00:56:26of life
00:56:26in which
00:56:27the light
00:56:28of consciousness
00:56:29it goes out
00:56:29and in the blackout
00:56:31of the mind
00:56:32gestures are performed
00:56:33that the heart
00:56:34ignore
00:56:34moreover
00:56:35it happened to her
00:56:37Mrs. Daniela
00:56:38in that
00:56:39dark morning
00:56:41of December
00:56:41that a knife
00:56:43violent
00:56:43he absorbed
00:56:45his despair
00:56:46he absorbed
00:56:47the load
00:56:47of disappointments
00:56:48of deprivations
00:56:49of defeats
00:56:50that devastated
00:56:52those days of his
00:56:54difficult
00:56:54desperate
00:56:55and she hit
00:56:57her husband
00:56:57he hit him
00:56:59with two stab wounds
00:57:01that they have
00:57:02provoked
00:57:03a lesion
00:57:03permanent
00:57:04to the heart
00:57:06he hit him
00:57:08as if it were
00:57:09a target
00:57:09without soul
00:57:11but what
00:57:12at that moment
00:57:12Daniela
00:57:13it was perhaps just
00:57:14the mirror
00:57:15broken
00:57:16which reflected
00:57:17his drama
00:57:19is that so Daniela?
00:57:24No
00:57:24it wasn't like that
00:57:26it's like this
00:57:26how is it then?
00:57:30tell us about it
00:57:31it wasn't like that
00:57:35Unfortunately
00:57:35it wasn't like that
00:57:42I was taking it out
00:57:43the bread
00:57:44I was taking
00:57:46the knife
00:57:47long
00:57:49to cut
00:57:51the bread
00:57:52to do
00:57:53the sandwiches
00:58:01it was the discussion
00:58:08on this bread
00:58:10on this bread
00:58:17I saw my husband
00:58:19to carry
00:58:22on the sofa
00:58:24a small knife
00:58:26and I
00:58:27While
00:58:28I wanted to cut
00:58:30this bread
00:58:32and it came to mind
00:58:34but why
00:58:34he does it
00:58:37and I followed them
00:58:38but I didn't sit down
00:58:39Neighbor
00:58:40and he had
00:58:41this little knife
00:58:42and then they flew
00:58:45the stab wounds
00:58:47but not
00:58:52not for
00:58:56to kill
00:58:58to finish the song
00:59:10only that
00:59:11a knife
00:59:11which is long
00:59:12Like this
00:59:15does much more
00:59:16references
00:59:17like a knife
00:59:18small
00:59:44many times
00:59:49that one thinks
00:59:53why did you react
01:00:01Why
01:00:01you made this move
01:00:04in the air
01:00:08because the words
01:00:10and you don't sing to us anymore
01:00:22Why
01:00:23Why
01:00:23you can't
01:00:28Why
01:00:29you didn't stop
01:00:37Why
01:00:38This
01:00:38between us
01:00:51Why
01:00:51This
01:00:52between us
01:00:52that we have
01:00:53given life
01:00:53for each other
01:01:03Why
01:01:04you reacted
01:01:05Why
01:01:06you did
01:01:06the stab wounds
01:01:07who have it
01:01:08reduced
01:01:08Like this
01:01:13It is true
01:01:14that I too
01:01:14I have stab wounds
01:01:16but
01:01:16this little knife
01:01:22Why
01:01:22I had to hear it
01:01:23me inside
01:01:24about me
01:01:27and not accept
01:01:28who does not defend himself
01:01:30I can
01:01:31just say
01:01:32That
01:01:33with a knife
01:01:34in the belly
01:01:35we react
01:01:36you don't think
01:01:45but I
01:01:49there are no excuses
01:01:56when two people
01:01:58who loved each other
01:01:59deeply
01:02:00they are going to finish
01:02:02in the stab wounds
01:02:17Why
01:02:18Why
01:02:25It is not known.
01:02:35My husband is my love and even when you defend yourself you react and reduce it because
01:02:48I am much stronger than him physically, it was a fight of my love that we were
01:03:09reduced to this state and here in the OPC we have clarified among ourselves what happened.
01:03:18And I forgave, no, that's the wrong word, I was able to accept his version that he
01:03:30I told the PM when he told me we've both gone crazy, I'd give my life
01:03:37for my husband.
01:03:43You see, for us, for my husband and me, it is no longer important who left first or second,
01:03:53things have gone as they have gone.
01:03:56I'm in here, I did ten months in prison, ten hellish months.
01:04:11but I still have my husband alive, the stab wounds are no longer important.
01:04:19no, I'm not, there are stabs that reach the soul and those are the hardest to heal,
01:04:40Daniela.
01:04:41But, she's doing it, she's doing it, you're doing it together because her husband keeps telling her
01:04:52to be close, but I would like to go back to that dark day.
01:04:59when what happened happened, the police men found her,
01:05:04Daniela, who was wandering along the seafront of Jesolo.
01:05:08She was lost, she was unaware, she was confused, she was covered in pain and blood.
01:05:17She was wounded in the chest and hands and had a knife in her sleeve which of those wounds
01:05:25he told the story without explaining the heartbreaking whys.
01:05:29She only said at a certain point, we argued and then she fell back into silence, into darkness.
01:05:42See you soon.
01:05:44See you soon.
01:05:53See you soon.
01:06:13The trial against Daniela Werner took place between June and October 2012.
01:06:20he is being tried on charges of attempted aggravated murder against her husband Claudio del Monaco.
01:06:29The defense team, composed of the undersigned and my colleague lawyer Marzia Bellodi,
01:06:37he requests a shortened right conditional on the completion of a psychiatric assessment.
01:06:44The GUP of the Court of Venice not only accepts the procedure as it is conditional,
01:06:54but also accepts the thesis put forward by the expert appointed by the Court,
01:07:01which actually concludes that there was a total mental defect at the time of the commission of the act.
01:07:09Following this type of indication by the expert, the GUP in effect acquits due to lack of imputability
01:07:21the received,
01:07:22at the same time, however, considering it socially dangerous since it is still an attempted murder which also occurred
01:07:34under rather cruel circumstances,
01:07:36there is talk of a stabbing, he believes he should apply a security measure to the accused
01:07:44consisting of hospitalization in a psychiatric hospital for a duration of 5 years.
01:07:49On November 5, 2013, the Court of Appeal of Venice reduced the security measure from 5 years to
01:07:582 years.
01:07:59Now Mrs. Daniela, you said I love my husband, my husband remains the most important thing in my life.
01:08:06my life, I would give my life for him.
01:08:09She sees the blows that on that day without light, she in the hell of despair, even in the confusion of the mind,
01:08:17Mrs. Daniela inflicted her husband, as we said, they caused him a permanent injury to the heart,
01:08:24but in her husband's heart, the love for her remains permanent and intact, Claudio loves her very much.
01:08:35But is it true that your husband comes here to visit you very often?
01:08:39My husband came to this hospital almost every week for 2-3 days, he got closer to the doctors, he wants
01:08:55walk the whole way to the end with me.
01:08:59The OPG was presented to me by my lawyer not as a duty, it was presented to me intelligently as
01:09:14possibility.
01:09:15Sure, but it is.
01:09:16And I've never understood why the OPG says, Madonna, in the mental hospital.
01:09:25No, it's a hospital.
01:09:28It's a hospital where one has all the time in the world to reflect, one must reflect, one has no other choice because there is no
01:09:36'it has to be done.
01:09:37So someone who is aware of what happened, because in the end only my husband and I know that
01:09:44what happened.
01:09:45Certain.
01:09:47We found a way for the two of us to overcome it and, if anything, to connect even more.
01:10:01I arrived there at the OPG very angry because after the trial my husband hadn't come and I...
01:10:10I turned to my lawyer and said I want a divorce.
01:10:13My lawyer looks at me and says yes.
01:10:17So he arrived at this OPG here, I still wasn't feeling well at all, absolutely not at all.
01:10:27and Dr. Forgoni picked me up.
01:10:32Welcomed.
01:10:33Welcomed.
01:10:53Welcomed.
01:10:54It's become a little more stable.
01:10:57Then he sits down and says you still want a divorce.
01:11:03And he gave me a kiss.
01:11:06I was watching him.
01:11:09I looked at the ground.
01:11:11I looked up.
01:11:13I looked at him.
01:11:15No.
01:11:18Era...
01:11:18How can I?
01:11:20He got up, started crying, turned around.
01:11:23How could I say I want a divorce when my heart starts skipping a beat when I see it?
01:11:30And there was no more talk of a divorce.
01:11:33But now they were talking about me.
01:11:36Because I was in the hospital.
01:11:38First thing was that I said
01:11:42My whole life revolves around this voice that never settles.
01:11:47That is, to finish.
01:11:48Now you have...
01:11:49The doctor told me you have all the time.
01:11:53All the time.
01:11:55The OPG worked a miracle because they gave me everything I needed.
01:12:01I mean, I'm a very uncomfortable patient.
01:12:05And they are great clinicians.
01:12:06They gave me an activity room that I can go to and sing in every day.
01:12:12An old player piano turned up.
01:12:15They said these things, madam, because they would like to close these institutions.
01:12:19Do you understand?
01:12:20Nooo!
01:12:20Closing an institution is just...
01:12:22It is an affront to the very help that can truly be given to people who have problems.
01:12:29They made a program about me.
01:12:31They made me sing at the concerts outside the Duomo.
01:12:34Because I know too that Castiglione Cathedral will not be the place where I become famous.
01:12:40But they gave me a concert outside.
01:12:43It's for an artist who stands in front of the public and this is a charge that never ends.
01:12:47In addition to the enormous help that the psychologists and psychiatrists of this institute give him.
01:12:51Her husband who stays close even in his silent way to tell her those words that then avoid the banality of
01:12:59sounds.
01:12:59But he's there and she knows he's there.
01:13:02Yes.
01:13:02And this is important because it is a path that she follows here in Castiglione and he does the same.
01:13:10path while standing next to her.
01:13:13Yes.
01:13:13Like her is Claudio.
01:13:15Yes.
01:13:15You were a bit like two castaways clinging together.
01:13:19What do you mean please?
01:13:21The two of you were a bit like two castaways desperately clinging to a rock.
01:13:26But in the future, to reach the shore, you need each other to do it.
01:13:31And so getting back together, as she says, will be important for you.
01:13:36Yes.
01:13:36Madam, as we have been able to see, retracing your story, that of you and your husband, Claudio del Monaco,
01:13:44It was a sort of descent into hell, in short, defeats, disappointments, deprivations.
01:13:49And at a certain point she couldn't take it anymore and that's why what happened was able to happen.
01:13:54How are you feeling today?
01:14:00Today I feel full of life.
01:14:04Today we can say that Mrs. Werner is certainly in a state of mental normality.
01:14:15So the speed with which he substantially recovered a state of mental normality
01:14:21makes one think that the exogenous element, that is the living conditions of this couple and the expectations of this
01:14:30couple,
01:14:30the great gap between living conditions and the social level from which they came,
01:14:38contributed massively to creating the conditions for the establishment of this clinical picture.
01:14:46I think that Daniela, after this course of treatment, has demonstrated over time that she has found an optimal mental balance.
01:14:58which should allow her, with a good probability, a new normal life.
01:15:06Look, once we met, she told me, everything in my life has been extreme.
01:15:12I've never had a normal life.
01:15:14What is normality for you?
01:15:18Getting married, raising the kids, not having so many ups and downs.
01:15:22I always have many extremes up or extremes down.
01:15:27Of course, settling into normality is reassuring, and it also guarantees a sense of calm without emotion.
01:15:32You, Mrs. Daniela, have chosen the unknowns of risk.
01:15:36The result was also to end up here at the PG of Castiglione delle Stiviere.
01:15:40If you could go back, would you rewrite the same script?
01:15:46Yes.
01:15:47Without, Mrs. Daniela, regarding the future, I want to read you a shred of an interview
01:15:52which her husband released to the newspaper at the Treviso tribune.
01:15:56He released her in November 2013, while she is still in Castiglione delle Stiviere.
01:16:01Her husband, who made a point of telling the whole world that he had forgiven her and that he loved her even more than before,
01:16:08confirmed that he has immense faith in her talent and above all he specified that her future, Daniela,
01:16:15bears the surname of Monaco.
01:16:17Her future will be called Monaco, not only because she is and will continue to be the lady of Monaco,
01:16:24but also for the singing school named after the great Mario del Monaco, which you two, she and Claudio,
01:16:31you will be able to open together when she and Daniela have completed her journey here in Castiglione delle Stiviere.
01:16:37Claudio said literally,
01:16:39Daniela will honor my father's name, and will also sing in his memory.
01:16:48Mrs. Daniela, what more do you want from a man? Or do you want more?
01:16:57Technicians think of a man, but what more do you want from a man?
01:17:30Thank you all.
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