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00:00So, Jeff was reporting in the updates.
00:03It seems that the Steelers may end up playing against the Saints.
00:07I saw Jerry Dulac write that yesterday.
00:10Okay.
00:11In Pittsburgh, yeah.
00:13My thing is...
00:14You go to the Pittsburgh, or you go to the Steelers site or the Saints site,
00:18you don't see that.
00:20The NFL has not said that yet.
00:22No.
00:22No.
00:23So, are we out of the running for international games?
00:28That's what I've been led to believe.
00:29Just by looking at the people paying close attention to it.
00:32And two, does anybody care?
00:33No.
00:33I do not care.
00:34Nobody cares.
00:36Nobody cares.
00:37The only thing I like about a lot of these games is that you can get the Browns game out
00:42of the way
00:42by very early in the morning.
00:44Well, wait a minute.
00:45What if they're a good football team?
00:46Don't you want to savor it?
00:47Well, if anything, though...
00:48Well, no.
00:48Because actually, no.
00:49Because when they win on Thursdays, that's the best weekend.
00:51That's the best.
00:51That is awesome.
00:52You're right.
00:53It's even better.
00:53Yeah.
00:54You're right.
00:54When they win at 9 o'clock in the morning, and you're...
00:57What time is those games usually at?
00:5912.30, 12.45?
01:00Oh, my God.
01:01A full slate of Sunday right there, and you've already won?
01:04And pressure's on Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincinnati.
01:07Let's just play Eastern time zone games.
01:11They'll do it that way.
01:12I mean, my God.
01:13I don't think anybody...
01:15This is the weird thing about this, is the league makes such a big deal
01:21about expanding the game, the international game.
01:23And they want us all to cheer for the game to be expanded across the world.
01:27And I'm sure it's probably better for the game than it is across the world.
01:33But we just think about it in the terms of our favorite teams.
01:36It's become a lot of different things where...
01:38You remember when LeBron was with the Cavs, and we talked about the Olympics.
01:42I'm like, oh, I mean, he's already won a gold medal.
01:44Do I want my team to win a championship?
01:46We've talked about that.
01:47Yeah, do we want our guys stressing out over that stuff?
01:5049ers fans, they don't want their team playing in Australia on a Thursday
01:54to start the season when Kyle Shanahan's openly against it
01:57and says they're doing it, they're forced to do it.
01:59Especially if it's next to a power plant where they're going to sustain more injuries.
02:03Okay, you know, there's a time for this type of thing,
02:06and it's called 945 on Friday, not now.
02:10That has not been confirmed.
02:11No.
02:13Not that I treat it the same way as I do the Madden curse.
02:16I just need to do my own research, and I need to go a little bit deeper.
02:20I don't think anybody...
02:21Like, the general fans, it's the same thing as the Saturday games
02:26with the late...
02:27Like, there will be now six weeks of Saturday NFL games.
02:31And I have to ask, who asked for it?
02:34Other than companies, who asked for it?
02:37Because Saturday...
02:38You've always wondered, where are the numbers?
02:40Where do they get these numbers from all this stuff?
02:42And I thought, well, I think we're just looking at it
02:44where football is a massive fan base.
02:47And the Browns, whether people like it or not
02:51or think they deserve it or not, have a bigger fan base
02:53than baseball or football.
02:55And so when the Browns play, that might make up for it.
02:57And then when they're not playing, another fan base is going to step in there.
03:00So if they already have a higher fan base...
03:01Like, these are record-breaking numbers,
03:03and I understand that the numbers move a little bit
03:05because of how they're estimated now.
03:07But just because they're bigger numbers
03:08still doesn't change the amount of interest that's generally there.
03:11I just think, like, I don't really care about Australia football.
03:14I don't really care about football in Brazil.
03:17London, you know what?
03:18When it first got brought up, was kind of a cool concept.
03:21I don't really care about London football.
03:23I don't care about games in Germany or Paris.
03:25I just want my favorite team to be as comfortable as possible.
03:28Like, it's already hard enough
03:29if you have to travel to Seattle for a game
03:31because of the time difference and everything that goes into it.
03:33We found that out the hard way in 2019 against San Francisco.
03:36And for whatever reason, John wanted to go out there on Sunday
03:39before a Monday night game.
03:41Like, there was guys that were basically asleep on the bus
03:44on the way there, and they went out and they got their asses kicked
03:45and played like garbage, and there was dissension in the ranks.
03:49Like, it's hard enough to play three hours away.
03:51I can't imagine being a contending team
03:52and having to play all over the globe to do what?
03:56Like, I don't think it makes the fan in Canton, Ohio happy.
04:00If they're a Steeler fan, whatever,
04:02it doesn't make the fan in Youngstown, Ohio,
04:04or Western Pennsylvania thrilled that his team,
04:07and maybe he gets to take a trip,
04:09but I don't understand why a trip to Paris would constitute,
04:12or the Steelers would constitute a trip to Paris.
04:14But I know it happens.
04:15I understand it happens.
04:17But if I'm making a trip to Paris,
04:19I'm making a trip to Paris.
04:21I don't know if I want the,
04:22I've told you this before,
04:24and I think I've said this before in the air,
04:25there is a lot of pensive feelings
04:27that I get going into a Browns game.
04:29I get very worked up the morning of a Browns game.
04:31Do I want that when I'm in Europe?
04:32Right, on your vacation.
04:33On my vacation?
04:34Yeah, and obviously, like,
04:36I don't want that.
04:37The partners and the wealthy season ticket holders,
04:39they can carve this out.
04:42They can hand the duties in their shop,
04:44you know, to the second-in-command for a few days.
04:47Like, it's a lot easier for them to be able to do this
04:50than the average fan,
04:51where this is going to cost an arm and a leg,
04:52and then if they lose,
04:54it totally taints the trip.
04:56So, you know, I don't even factor these.
04:58We talked about primetime games in general.
05:00Wait a minute, hold on, hold on, hold on.
05:02Does it totally taint the trip?
05:04Yeah, if your team loses,
05:05and you're a life-or-death Browns fan?
05:07Well, hold on.
05:07Yeah, okay, I'm a life-or-death Browns fan.
05:10Do we not say they ruin our weekends when we're here?
05:12It ruins the weekend,
05:13but I don't think I'm going to be a stick in the mud.
05:15Like, say if the Browns are,
05:17say the Browns are close to 500 this year, all right?
05:20Maybe if they lose,
05:21but in the meantime,
05:23between what happens,
05:25I don't know, man.
05:26There's a lot to see in London, England.
05:27There's a lot to see in England in general.
05:29I'm just pointing it out as an example.
05:31If I'm going on a trip
05:32and the Browns happen to be about there,
05:33and they lose,
05:34I don't know if that's going to ruin my whole trip.
05:36I don't think I'm going to be lamenting about it
05:37for years to come.
05:38I guess it just depends on, you know,
05:40your level of diehard, you know.
05:43Oh, so now I'm not a diehard fan.
05:44Well, it depends.
05:45Are you a life or death Browns fan?
05:50Because I think if we got a lot of wives
05:52to call up the show
05:53to talk about their husbands
05:54and to talk about the level,
05:59the state of affairs in that home,
06:02when the Browns win and when the Browns lose,
06:05I think they would be able to tell you
06:08whether or not life is a little different at home.
06:13Don't you have to think about your responsibility
06:14as a husband?
06:15I think that goes out the window
06:17for so many guys on game day.
06:19If you have another week,
06:20what, I'm supposed to pout and moan
06:22for the next three days
06:24because the Browns lost
06:25when I have another week in Europe
06:26with my wife?
06:27So I'm going to carry around the frowns
06:29on my face for three days
06:31and not get picked back up until Wednesday?
06:34You're speaking rationally.
06:36Like a rational, but fans?
06:38What percentage of fans are rational?
06:40Then somebody's got to step in and say,
06:42we're not going to Europe for the Browns
06:44or Steelers or for anybody
06:45to go watch a football team play.
06:47We're going to Europe to go to Europe
06:49and that's it.
06:50And we're not going to involve
06:51any of this other stuff.
06:52Plus, I can see an NFL football game.
06:53I've seen plenty of football games
06:54right here in my own backyard.
06:55I've seen plenty of that.
06:56If I'm going over there,
06:57I'm going to probably watch soccer
06:58or do something else.
06:59And then what,
07:00let's also add on to it.
07:03Likely, what's a fan also doing
07:04when they're overseas,
07:06especially like in London,
07:07where you can bet like at your seat
07:09during the game
07:10on what the next play is.
07:11What are you probably also doing
07:13if you're there?
07:14Ah, I'm on vacation.
07:15I got money to spend.
07:17You're probably wagering.
07:19And if you're wagering,
07:20you're not going to wager
07:21against your team for the hedge.
07:24So it's going to be a double whammy.
07:25Not only is your team losing,
07:27you're losing a lot of money.
07:28You're losing that spending money.
07:29Because I thought
07:30if we were going to Europe with you,
07:31I figured London, England
07:32would turn to the Alps real quick.
07:33The Alps, yeah.
07:34Yeah.
07:34Or the Indies,
07:35whatever you wanted to do.
07:36How far is Amsterdam?
07:38Close enough.
07:39Let's call it even.
07:41Probably be back before kickoff.
07:42I just don't think
07:44it's something that a general fan,
07:45I think it's something
07:46that the NFL does
07:47and it's another thing
07:48that I'm not going to,
07:50businesses,
07:51the NFL making money,
07:52it's better for our bottom line
07:54as sports talk hosts.
07:55I get that.
07:56But it's another thing
07:57where you're doing this
07:58and we all know it's there
07:59and I'm going,
08:00when's the last time
08:01that a sport has done something
08:03for the general fan?
08:04Like baseball?
08:05Baseball's probably
08:06the last one to do it.
08:07Where you've made the game
08:09much more consumable
08:10with the rule changes
08:12that you've put in.
08:13I can start a game
08:14and finish a game
08:15and go to bed
08:15and wake up at three
08:16in the morning
08:17and not feel exhausted.
08:19Not feel exhausted
08:20every single day.
08:21They've done that.
08:22They've made it better.
08:23There's an end time.
08:24Attendance has trickled up
08:25a little bit
08:26with a lot of places.
08:27You know when you're
08:28getting out now.
08:29That's been more fan friendly.
08:31But like expanding
08:32the college basketball playoff.
08:34Why?
08:34No one's asking for it.
08:35Expanded to 24 teams
08:37in the college football playoff.
08:38No one's asking for it.
08:39No fan is begging for it.
08:41Maybe a Notre Dame fan.
08:42But nobody's begging for it.
08:44Maybe that.
08:46Playing in Europe.
08:47Who is pounding the table
08:49in Cleveland, Ohio?
08:50No.
08:50No, I don't.
08:51And you know,
08:52do you care?
08:53Because I've said,
08:55all right,
08:55if the game is exposed
08:56to more areas of the world,
08:58like I would imagine
09:00you could get really good
09:01NFL players.
09:02We always hear these stories
09:03of somebody who didn't play
09:04in high school
09:05and then,
09:06wow, look,
09:07they're in the NFL.
09:08Like how many,
09:09how many,
09:10we've seen it in the NBA,
09:10so why couldn't there be
09:12NFL players
09:12that pop up all over the world?
09:14But do you care?
09:15Do you care in Cleveland, Ohio
09:17if this leads,
09:19this expansion
09:20and growth of the sport
09:22leads to players
09:23from every continent
09:25taking over?
09:25Well really,
09:26ultimately what are they doing?
09:27They're just taking jobs
09:28from the kids
09:29that would have a chance
09:30to make their way up
09:31here from Glenville.
09:32I think we have
09:33our own passions.
09:34I don't think a person
09:35who grows up in London,
09:37I just don't think
09:38they care as much
09:39about the NFL.
09:40Like here,
09:41when a kid,
09:41you're as right as rain.
09:43When a kid,
09:43if you're from Cleveland
09:45and you're watching the draft
09:46and a kid who goes through,
09:48you could have never
09:49stepped foot
09:50on Glenville's campus.
09:51You could have only seen
09:52Glenville highlights
09:53on Fox 8 Friday night
09:54touchdown,
09:55shameless plug,
09:55but it's true.
09:56You could have only seen
09:57interviews with Ted Ginn
09:58and known that
09:59that's a good program.
10:00You feel like
10:01you're a part of it.
10:02There's a guy
10:02from our area
10:03doing it
10:04and he's going
10:05and you know what?
10:06Even though he didn't
10:06end up with the Browns,
10:07I'm going to pay attention
10:08to this guy.
10:09There's always that good thing.
10:10A lot of communities
10:11obviously in America
10:12get to do that
10:13and it's really cool
10:14when they get to do it.
10:15I don't think they,
10:16we aspire to it.
10:18I don't think they grow up
10:19in London
10:20wanting to play in the NFL
10:21or Paris wanting to play
10:22in the NFL
10:23or in one of these other places.
10:24They have their own sports
10:26that they're passionate about.
10:27I don't,
10:28and I don't think
10:29there's going to be
10:29enough of those kids
10:31who end up being grown adults
10:33playing in the NFL
10:34to change all that.
10:35I do think
10:36in certain other sports
10:37it has changed.
10:38They grow up playing basketball
10:39in Europe.
10:42They grow up playing baseball
10:43in the Dominican
10:44and in Cuba
10:45and all these other places
10:46in Latin America.
10:47and in Japan.
10:49They grew up playing baseball there.
10:51So there is
10:52a shared type of thing
10:53with football.
10:54I mean,
10:55we've talked about
10:55the socioeconomics of it
10:56a million times
10:57over on the podcast
10:58on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
11:00You don't,
11:01you don't really grow up
11:02wanting to do it
11:03the way it is.
11:04And hell,
11:05half the guys I know
11:06that have ever played
11:06football in Europe,
11:07not just like NFL Europe,
11:09they're Americans.
11:11So they're just going
11:12over to Europe
11:12to play some European football
11:14because they either,
11:15the arena league died
11:16or they can't hack it
11:18in Canada or whatever
11:19and they're looking
11:19for any opportunity
11:20they can.
11:20So I know that,
11:23well,
11:23we're trying to grow the game.
11:24Yeah,
11:25you probably should try
11:26to make an effort
11:26to grow the game.
11:27It's not about
11:27not growing the game.
11:29But it's still this thing
11:30of I don't,
11:30I'm looking around
11:31for anybody
11:32who thinks that this is
11:33just this tremendous thing.
11:35I don't get it.
11:36That's where I stand on it.
11:38But if it means
11:39that I can watch
11:41a Browns game
11:42at 9.30
11:42and they win
11:43and I can enjoy my day
11:44a little bit longer,
11:45fine.
11:45Because we're up anyway.
11:47That's the positive
11:48I'll take from it.
11:49I'll be up early.
11:50If they win the game,
11:51I'll be more excited.
11:52You two folks,
11:53we might have a Browns.
11:54I think we definitely
11:55have a Browns offseason win
11:56and how many wins
11:57do you think the Browns
11:58are going to have this year?
11:59Real quick,
11:59go around the room.
12:00John,
12:00turn your mic on,
12:01but Lima,
12:01you go first.
12:02I think I've been saying
12:04five or six.
12:04I might be willing
12:05to say seven.
12:07It's going up.
12:08I'm like doing
12:08a Ken Carman here.
12:11John.
12:12Yeah,
12:13six wins for the Browns here.
12:14Okay.
12:14Owen.
12:16Five.
12:17I'm saying six.
12:19I'm at six.
12:21Can I talk you into seven
12:22when I tell you
12:23that Adam Schefter
12:25has released
12:26the international schedule?
12:28Okay?
12:30Ladies and gentlemen,
12:31teams that are playing
12:33in division,
12:34that are playing
12:35in Europe
12:37or across the world,
12:40the Ravens,
12:42the Steelers,
12:43the Bengals,
12:45not the Browns.
12:46The Browns are playing
12:47stateside
12:48all year long.
12:52It only helps
12:53the Browns.
12:54All right,
12:55I'm not feeling it.
12:56Okay,
12:56fine.
12:56I guess I'll just
12:57stay with six.
12:58How many...
12:59The schedule's
13:00an important thing.
13:01Is it not?
13:01Okay,
13:02fine.
13:02Don't fire up
13:03the Michael Stanley.
13:04We'll just sit here
13:04and...
13:04Well,
13:05the schedule...
13:06Fine.
13:06The way we talk
13:06about the schedule's wrong...
13:07I thought for sure
13:08you would get excited.
13:09Nothing.
13:09Most years,
13:10the way we talk
13:11about the schedule
13:11is wrong
13:12and it kind of
13:14belies what we know
13:15about the NFL,
13:16which is what?
13:17How many teams
13:18are bad?
13:18There's always teams
13:19that are surprised.
13:20So,
13:20if you have the easiest
13:21schedule on paper
13:22before a year,
13:23what is the likelihood
13:24that it ends up
13:25actually being realized
13:27that it's the easiest
13:27schedule?
13:28Very rarely.
13:29Because of what?
13:30Yes,
13:30very rarely.
13:30Parody in the league.
13:31The parody,
13:32yes.
13:32And like the year
13:33that the Browns went
13:34was it 0-16
13:35or I think it was
13:36the 0-16 season.
13:38Aaron Rodgers,
13:39that's a loss.
13:39Then you end up
13:40playing against
13:41Brett Hundley
13:42and you're up
13:43by two touchdowns
13:44going into the
13:44fourth quarter.
13:46So,
13:46yeah,
13:46these things happen.
13:47I'm sorry to be so angry.
13:48Brett Hundley's a fine kid.
13:49So,
13:49the advantage
13:50of not having...
13:52Like,
13:52every coach,
13:53if they were
13:55being honest,
13:56would tell you
13:57they'd rather not
13:58go international.
13:59Right?
13:59They'd always...
14:00And in fact,
14:00they don't even want
14:01to go to the opposite coast.
14:02Like,
14:02they would play
14:03as many games
14:04in their backyard
14:05or within a three-hour radius
14:08as humanly possible.
14:10So,
14:10to that,
14:10yes,
14:11Ken Carman,
14:11I would agree.
14:12That sounds like
14:13an off-season win.
14:14I'll give you that.
14:15So,
14:15man,
14:16if you're at seven,
14:16it's hard.
14:17Because eight and nine
14:18is like Steeler territory.
14:20Even though they're always
14:21like game over 500
14:22or 500 at least.
14:25Going from seven to eight
14:26is kind of,
14:27hmm,
14:28that's asking a lot.
14:29Now it feels like
14:29you've had a real resurgence.
14:30Yeah,
14:31going to five to six
14:32or six to seven,
14:33it's like,
14:34well,
14:34depending on how
14:34the schedule plays out,
14:35like,
14:36are all these teams
14:36going to be going...
14:38Like,
14:39what does San Francisco
14:40do for a bye
14:41other than
14:41you're playing
14:42on a Thursday
14:44in Australia
14:44and then,
14:45okay,
14:45you're just going
14:46to take the next
14:46eight days
14:47before you get ready
14:47for your next game?
14:48You're still going
14:49to have to be dealing
14:50with all that movement,
14:51all that travel.
14:52Go ahead,
14:52Owen,
14:52I'm sorry.
14:53No,
14:53you're good.
14:54Oh,
14:54it's bizarre.
14:54Didn't they used to go
14:55to Youngstown
14:56to practice?
14:57Well,
14:57when they came here,
14:59because Eddie DiBartolo
15:00owned them
15:01and now his nephew
15:02owns them,
15:02which,
15:04whatever you want
15:04to say.
15:06Eddie's out of it now.
15:08Oh,
15:08he is,
15:08isn't he?
15:09Oh,
15:09yeah,
15:10so they just kept
15:10the San Francisco
15:11logo up on the
15:12building for old
15:13time's sake.
15:14Yeah,
15:15that's right.
15:15They just kept
15:16that logo up there
15:16for no big deal.
15:19When they come
15:20to the East Coast,
15:21they would stay
15:22in Youngstown
15:22and practice
15:23for a week
15:24or two weeks
15:25in Youngstown
15:25and get everything
15:26there,
15:26which is smart,
15:27by the way.
15:29I think that
15:30depending on how
15:31the schedule plays
15:32out,
15:32which we should
15:33know the schedule
15:33with,
15:34is it Thursday?
15:35Thursday.
15:36Thursday.
15:37Which is tomorrow.
15:38Play a vision
15:39of the schedule
15:39game coming up
15:40or is that still
15:41leaving bad taste
15:42in our mouth?
15:43Well,
15:43there was a guy
15:43who used to make
15:44the biggest deal
15:44in the world
15:45about the schedule
15:45game and then I
15:46knew what was
15:46going to happen
15:47and he made
15:47too big a deal
15:47and Lyman
15:48didn't want to
15:48do it anymore.
15:49Like this,
15:50Ravens play week
15:51three in Rio,
15:54which is not a
15:55time change,
15:56really.
15:56I don't think,
15:56I think that might
15:57be a special time.
15:57Still like a nine
15:58hour flight.
15:59The flight's like
15:59crazy.
16:00It's on a Sunday
16:01too,
16:02which is what's
16:03crazy about it.
16:03That's a bastard.
16:04It's on a Sunday,
16:05so if the Browns
16:06get the Ravens in
16:07week four,
16:08maybe.
16:09Okay,
16:10Steelers in week
16:11seven in France
16:14at Paris against
16:15the New Orleans
16:16Saints and then
16:18Madrid-Spain week
16:19nine,
16:20Baltimore,
16:21excuse me,
16:22the Bengals are
16:22playing the Falcons.
16:24So depending on
16:25when you play
16:25these teams,
16:26I'm just pointing
16:27out.
16:27I can't go from
16:29six wins to seven
16:30wins yet.
16:31I gotta see how
16:31the schedule goes,
16:32but I might be
16:32going one more
16:33win.
16:34They will do
16:35whatever it takes.
16:35It's just more
16:36days,
16:37more countries,
16:38more continents.
16:39More Saturday
16:39football.
16:40Oh yeah.
16:41Or Wednesday
16:41football.
16:42Or Wednesday
16:42football.
16:43Other dimensions.
16:44Can they play in
16:45the Tesseract like
16:46a wrinkle in time,
16:47like interstellar?
16:47Which does suck
16:48because Lima,
16:49you've gone down
16:50the nostalgia path
16:52many times.
16:53And when we were
16:54kids,
16:54everybody,
16:55if you loved
16:55football as a kid,
16:57you have a story
16:58about how you
16:59would sit there
16:59with your buddies
16:59wherever it may be.
17:01Every guy in this
17:02region has a story
17:03about what they
17:04did every Sunday
17:05because the NFL
17:06owned Sunday.
17:07And you had all
17:08these games.
17:09And even though
17:10back in the day
17:10you could only watch
17:11two at a time,
17:12you were still
17:12seeing the scores,
17:14you got the updates.
17:15And in a way,
17:15the updates and
17:16then the lead up
17:17to NFL primetime,
17:18it made it more
17:19special.
17:20Like, Greg Gumbel's
17:21coming on and he's
17:22going to tell us
17:23what's happening
17:23in another city.
17:24And obviously
17:25that's silly.
17:26Like, we could just
17:27have more TVs
17:28and more games
17:29and they've made
17:29it like that.
17:30But it doesn't
17:30feel the same.
17:31It doesn't feel
17:32like these games
17:32are special.
17:33I don't feel like
17:34I'm going to be able
17:35to see as many games
17:36this year as I usually
17:37do, even though
17:37I'm going to be able
17:38to see more games
17:39than I ever have.
17:40But how do I,
17:42as a family man,
17:43take another night
17:44out of the week
17:44and go,
17:45oh, I got to do
17:46this tonight.
17:46It was really nice
17:48when it was just Sunday.
17:49It was understood.
17:50We're not talking
17:51this on the weekend,
17:53right?
17:53I've got things to do.
17:55And now it feels like,
17:57what am I going to
17:58give up?
17:58This potential thing
18:00with my family
18:02or a game against
18:03two NFC West teams
18:05on a Thursday.
18:07Well, even in Axel's
18:07Football League,
18:08they were like talking
18:09about, do they play
18:10on Sundays?
18:11They're like,
18:11we ain't playing
18:11on no Sundays.
18:12It's like, well,
18:13in the future,
18:13will Axel,
18:14if he's coaching
18:14youth football someday,
18:15will they even matter
18:16if they play on Sundays?
18:17Because the Browns
18:17can play any day
18:18of the week,
18:18it seems.
18:19It could be just
18:20a roulette of where
18:21you end up playing.
18:22Man, that is so true.
18:23I don't even think
18:23about that.
18:24We'll follow them
18:24wherever,
18:25but, man,
18:26Sundays,
18:26that was the day, man.
18:27I'm talking about that.
18:28You're welcome.
18:28I don't know.
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