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00:00No, Spadoni today.
00:01It's Shasky and Grandy with you on this Friday.
00:04And I hope you enjoyed that highlight.
00:07Dave Fleming, NBC Sports Bay Area.
00:09That was off the bat of the Giants' best hitter, Casey Schmidt.
00:14Would I say that, Shasky?
00:16Does that make you excited for Casey or depressed about everything else?
00:20Casey Schmidt, best Giants hitter.
00:22What is your reaction to that?
00:23No, I'm really happy for him.
00:24Like, I really am.
00:25It also goes back to sports just being crazy.
00:30Right?
00:30You know, like regarding not knowing anything.
00:33Being resilient.
00:34Yeah.
00:34I mean, if I would have asked most Giants fans a full calendar year ago,
00:38hey, Casey Schmidt's going to have a month that's better than any Giants hitter.
00:42I'd be like, hmm.
00:43I mean, he's had some stretches.
00:46No, he has had some stretches.
00:47But this is more sustainable than the Motto stretch a couple years back.
00:51Oh, yeah.
00:52Maybe not as prolific home run-wise as the Tyler Fitzgerald one.
00:55Oh, my God, two years ago?
00:56When was that, two years ago in June or July, whenever that was?
00:59Doesn't this feel like, I'm not going to say this is sustainable,
01:03but this feels more real than any of those other ones.
01:07And I'm not taking away anything from those guys.
01:09They had great moments, you know, great weeks.
01:11It just, it really feels like, I mean, he had an injury where he missed a couple of days,
01:15and it was like, you've got to get this guy back in the lineup.
01:17And he's doing a lot of little things really well.
01:19Advancing on the base paths, putting the ball in play in crucial, crucial situations.
01:25And then he's driving the ball really well.
01:28And he's laying off that pitch that was such a bugaboo for him, which is that down and away breaking
01:32ball.
01:32Yep.
01:33I mean, I don't think his OPS is going to be around 900 for the whole season.
01:36That's where he's at right now.
01:37That's an amazing number.
01:39But this does feel like maybe this is who he is.
01:42He's a plus hitter at the major league level.
01:44That's what he's been so far this season.
01:46And the Giants are going to need it, absolutely.
01:50I think what's really tough, if you're a Giants fan, Shaske, and welcome back.
01:55It's Shaske and Grandy with you here on the Morning Roast.
01:57This, for the Giants, is a spot where they're clearly not good enough right now.
02:04They're 13-18.
02:06All the issues that they have, they don't have enough starting pitching.
02:11They don't have a closer that you can rely on.
02:14Their bullpen's actually been a strength, which is crazy considering what we thought about it coming in.
02:18But the back end of the bullpen itself, the closer spot has not been good.
02:22They need to address that.
02:23They have, I don't know, at most three and a half starters in my mind right now.
02:28They had clear deficiencies in the rotation coming in.
02:31And they didn't do enough to address that, clearly.
02:34And their lineup, which we thought was going to be pretty darn good, has failed.
02:38And it's because of the big guys that were hand-selected by Buster Posey.
02:42I think what is the scarier thing, if we zoom out beyond just what's happening right now
02:46and what this season is, the scarier thing for me is this is the Giants' window.
02:53This is what win now looks for the Giants.
02:56I mean, your best guys, the guys that are supposed to be your best hitters,
03:00Adamas is 30 years old.
03:01Chapman is 33 years old.
03:03Rafael Devers is 29 years old.
03:05Right?
03:06Logan Webb is not a spring chicken anymore.
03:08You do not have a lot of window left where those guys are good enough to be good.
03:14I know.
03:15Not necessarily good enough to win you World Series, but just to be good and be the better
03:20teams on a roster.
03:21You don't have that long with this core to try to win.
03:26And yet what we are facing is this is very clearly a core that is nowhere near good enough
03:33to win anything right now.
03:35This is their window.
03:36I know.
03:36This is their win now.
03:38This is what win now looks like for the Giants, yet it's nowhere near good enough.
03:42So what does that mean three, four, five years from now?
03:45Well, you better pray to gosh that all these young guys that you have in the minors come
03:50up and ball out.
03:51Like, you're bringing up all the guys on the current team.
03:53And most people probably, I'm going to say this name and you don't even know it.
03:56I'm counting down the days until I see Johnny Level come up to the big leagues, who's in
04:00single A right now, tearing the cover off the ball.
04:02That's how we've always been.
04:03We've always been wondering.
04:05That makes me sound insane, right?
04:07Me even suggesting that.
04:08We did it with Luciano.
04:09We did it with Matos.
04:10We did it with all these guys.
04:11I do it to myself every time.
04:12But your point about this core and where they're at.
04:16So it's a catch-22.
04:17Like, they banked on a lot of guys that were older because that's who's available in free
04:21agency, older guys.
04:23Rafi was available because of red flags.
04:25Rafi was available because of whatever happened in Boston.
04:28And they took a bold risk.
04:30And I supported that.
04:31And I still support making that move.
04:33He's got to turn it around.
04:34He's been a great ball player.
04:36He has not for the Giants.
04:38That being said, I cannot defend how Buster's filled out some of the other portions of
04:44this team.
04:45Frambois Valdez, whether he wanted to play for you or not, ended up signing what I thought
04:49was a pretty sweet deal with the Detroit Tigers.
04:52I'd have been in three years, $120 million.
04:55Yeah, $115 million.
04:56On him?
04:57Would you have not?
04:58Absolutely.
04:58And if there was a tax on someone to overpay for, I would have overpaid for pitching before
05:02I would have overpaid for a position player, given where they were this offseason I'm
05:07talking about, did they still need a right-handed power bat?
05:09Yeah.
05:10They were talking themselves into Ramos.
05:12And I watched Ramos all of last year.
05:14It was very underwhelming.
05:15Now, they would say, hey, the same way we stuck with Casey Schmidt, now we're reaping the
05:20rewards on him.
05:21We should still continue to support Elliot Ramos.
05:23All right, I'll listen to that.
05:25You traded away Tyler Rogers and Camilo Duvall and failed to replenish the bullpen when you
05:32knew Randy Rodriguez was out all year with Tommy John.
05:37So, I can't really defend the lack of replenishing the bullpen.
05:41I can't really defend the lack of replenishing the starting rotation.
05:46You went with Tyler Molle, who's been up and down at best, and Hauser's been close to awful.
05:52Honestly, he bounced back yesterday.
05:54It was pretty good.
05:55Yeah, but before that, I'm saying.
05:57The season as a whole.
05:58No, bad.
05:58Okay, there we go.
06:00And you're getting more than we expected from Landon Root.
06:03Way more than you expected.
06:04Maybe they had it in their cards, but I wasn't expecting it.
06:06And he's been unbelievable.
06:08Robbie Ray's been good, I think, overall.
06:10Yeah.
06:10And I think Logan's been slightly underwhelming, right, for most people's standards.
06:14Yesterday, notwithstanding.
06:15Super high standards.
06:17But you're right.
06:19You needed multiple arms in the pen, and you needed multiple starters that were better than the starters you brought
06:24in.
06:25So I cannot defend that when you're telling me this core is win now, and financially they're win now, and
06:32you're committed to the win now, and you don't finish completing the project.
06:37And you go into the season saying, we'll see where we're at at the deadline.
06:40No.
06:41No, no, no, no, no, no.
06:42Because as the season unfolds, guys have good years and bad years, and you might have to trade for a
06:47need that going into the year you didn't think was a need.
06:50Or you might have team strength going into the year that you didn't think was a team strength.
06:55Like, right now, Casey Schmidt is the strength of this team.
06:58And I hear a lot of people trade Casey Schmidt.
07:00Okay.
07:01And lose one of your best bats?
07:03I can't do that right now.
07:05What's your goal?
07:06Are you trying to win?
07:07You don't trade away your best hitter.
07:09I don't get it.
07:09I don't get it.
07:10You also don't trade Rafi Devers, by the way.
07:12I know that you put that out there as a question.
07:16It's crossing my mind.
07:18Because he's been so bad.
07:19That would be an absolute abject disaster.
07:21You ever bought a car, and you realize right away, I bought a lemon.
07:24And you're like, I gotta flip this to the next sucker.
07:27Yeah, I gotta flip this to the next sucker.
07:28Cut your losses and move on.
07:29Exactly.
07:30But, no, that's not what...
07:31It crossed my mind.
07:32I'd be lying.
07:33I didn't say I would do it.
07:34I said it crossed my mind.
07:35Something maybe you do if he's hitting the cover off the ball yet the team still sucks.
07:39And maybe he has value.
07:40But, no, you do not.
07:41But, I think you would trade Bryce Eldridge sooner than you would trade Rafael Devers.
07:47And part of that is because of value around the league.
07:50Yes.
07:51But, and you're not gonna trade...
07:52I don't want him to trade Bryce Eldridge.
07:54But I think that would be a reality well before it would be a reality for Devers.
07:58The more that you've seen Devers at first base in general, you think it's gonna get better over there defensively
08:04over time?
08:05Oh, for like every other player.
08:07No, but it'll get worse the older that they get.
08:08So, is it crossing your mind that maybe...
08:12I'm just throwing this out.
08:13I'm not creating friction when there needs to be.
08:16But, does it cross your mind at all?
08:19Bryce and Devers coexisting as a DH and first base combo.
08:24Is that a little difficult to envision moving forward than maybe it was last year when they acquired Devers?
08:33Yeah, I think Casey Schmidt makes it more difficult.
08:37Because where are you gonna play...
08:38Let's just say you bring Eldridge up.
08:41And I think everyone expects him to be up at some point this season.
08:44And once he comes up again, they want him to stay.
08:46Let's say he gets called up at some point this season.
08:49And regardless, between Devers and Eldridge, you have your first baseman and your DH.
08:53Don't know who's gonna play where every single day.
08:56So, where does Casey Schmidt play?
08:59Why do you think I've been clamoring for him to maybe get a rep or two in left field?
09:02Yeah, he's not playing a second base because the rise has been good.
09:05He's not playing shortstop because that's Adamus.
09:07He's not playing third because that's Chapman.
09:09I know.
09:10You have a logjam.
09:11This is why I think trading one of the three, Adamus, Chapman, Devers, as crazy as it sounds,
09:20it has to cross their mind.
09:22Because there's some redundancy of positions here.
09:25There is.
09:26I know.
09:26There definitely is redundancy.
09:28You have a logjam.
09:29There is.
09:29And then, like, I mean, just look at how poorly they're built.
09:32Like, why isn't Carnacion and Christian Koss on this roster?
09:36What hole are they filling right now?
09:39I mean, you're not using the bench much.
09:42And they haven't been the entire season.
09:44Will Brennan got an at-bat yesterday?
09:46He did.
09:47Toughed out.
09:47I think fouled out or whatever it was.
09:50So, I don't know.
09:51There's a lot of redundant parts and there's a lot of everyday players who aren't good enough
09:54to be maybe playing every single day.
09:56There's a combination of issues.
09:58You know who's not an issue?
09:59Right now, Jungle Lee's not an issue.
10:00No, he's been great.
10:02I don't think Drew Gilbert's necessarily an issue right now.
10:04I think Bailey's picked it up.
10:06But we will revisit that in a couple of weeks when Susack is healthy.
10:11And Casey Schmidt's not an issue.
10:14And I think, to a lesser degree, Matt Chapman hasn't been a huge issue.
10:18No, I think he's kind of getting lumped in with Devers and Adamus because of the contract.
10:22But he's holding up his end of the bargain.
10:24Yeah, he's had a couple of mistakes at third.
10:26But overall, I've been impressed with his timely hitting.
10:28It's harder to accept.
10:29Yesterday, notwithstanding.
10:30Yeah, it's harder to accept Chapman and what he is because he has limitations as an offensive player.
10:36Yes.
10:36It's harder to accept that when Adamus and Devers are struggling as much as they are.
10:41Yes.
10:41But if Adamus and Devers are hitting the ball well, Chapman falls right into place.
10:45He's picking up some RBIs.
10:47He's scoring a bunch of runs.
10:48And he's a good base runner.
10:49Yeah, he's a very good base runner.
10:50He's a very instinctual, good base runner.
10:52Absolutely.
10:53888-957-9570.
10:54What do the Giants do?
10:56Are we overreacting?
10:57Because this doesn't look bad for the Giants right...
11:00I mean, it doesn't just look bad for them right now.
11:03But I'm also worried about the future because you have all this money paid out to these guys
11:08that are not performing well.
11:10And you have them for a long, long time under contract.
11:13Giants fans, we want to hear from you.
11:15888-957-9570.
11:17Richie is in Queens and wants to weigh in.
11:20What's up, Richie?
11:20You're on with Shasky and Grandy.
11:23Let me preface what you guys said, okay?
11:26I'm going 60 years watching this team.
11:29Yesterday, and I normally shrug things off.
11:32I was so uptight.
11:33My wife says, I never saw you upset as long as you have been.
11:37A couple of things.
11:38The Gilbert thing.
11:40Totally agree.
11:41One of the worst base running things I've ever seen.
11:45When that ball was deflected, I said, we got to run.
11:48Man on first.
11:49Let's maybe get two.
11:50And he's held up.
11:52Guys, you are more on Chapman than I am.
11:55I have no use for Chapman in big spots.
11:58Again, they never change their batting approach at all.
12:03He gets two strikes.
12:05I cringe.
12:06Absolutely cringe.
12:08The other guys, Adamus and Devis, totally agree.
12:11Another guy you mentioned.
12:12The guy that's been another surprise.
12:14You didn't mention him.
12:15And I think you once before you did.
12:16It's Gilbert.
12:17Gilbert's done a lot better than I saw it.
12:19I like Gilbert.
12:20Yeah, he's making contact.
12:23Richie, you know what he is to me?
12:24He's a version of like a GP2.
12:27And what I mean by that is, like, you got to kind of watch every game to really feel his
12:32impact.
12:32I know that sounds absurd.
12:36No, I agree with you.
12:38Did you see a couple of plays, too, where Ramos took two pitches down the plate?
12:42Like, he didn't know what to think or what to do in that spot with two strikes.
12:47But, again, the worst hitting two-strike team in baseball.
12:52No adjustments.
12:53You know, you mentioned guys that did it.
12:54Rizzo did it.
12:55I remember when Rizzo was always a good hitter.
12:57But with two strikes on him, he choked up.
13:00People would say, oh, you're going to be a slap hitter.
13:01And he'd get the runner in 60%, 70% of the time.
13:04How about losing that we had no challenges after the second inning?
13:10That guy called twice to catch up, whatever it was.
13:13And I was on the golf course for the first game.
13:15Thank God I didn't even watch that.
13:16And I kept seeing runners on base, running on base, running on base.
13:19And it was 2-1 in the ninth.
13:21And I called my brother.
13:22I said, they're going to lose this game.
13:23And Walker had pitched good at – you know, the one thing I tried was the bullpen.
13:27It was pitching pretty well.
13:28By the way, how's it, guys?
13:29He's got a 1.7 war, and he's got a 70 ERA.
13:34So, yeah, he's been a disappointment.
13:37But Devers, yeah.
13:39I just – and, again, when you watch a team every day,
13:44there's deficiencies with everybody.
13:46And you look at the Cardinals.
13:48They're rebuilding.
13:49Look how good they're playing.
13:50Cincinnati.
13:51Pittsburgh.
13:52And we've got – people, look, you've got Adamus.
13:55You've got Chapman.
13:55You've got Devers.
13:56You've got Lee.
13:57You've got Devers.
13:58You've got talent on that team.
14:00And to hit the way we do in situational situations, it's so frustrating.
14:08I just – it really gets to me.
14:11And I'm usually calm and under control.
14:13But yesterday was pathetic.
14:15And you mentioned the bad contracts, guys.
14:17Yeah, Zito was a bad contract.
14:19But what do you remember about Zito?
14:21Game five, 7-0, won the game, and I made a prediction.
14:25One of the few times I did it on WFAN radio, we had Vogel, Sonny, and Kane.
14:29And we were down 3-2.
14:31I said, we're going to win the next two.
14:33So, people will remember he got a championship and Rowan, too,
14:37and he was pretty terrible also.
14:38But, yeah, guys, we're stuck with these guys,
14:41and I don't see us coming out of this.
14:45I'm really, really, really down on management.
14:48Richie, what do you do?
14:49And, yes, one more thing, too.
14:50Go ahead.
14:51No, I was going to say, like, what do you do?
14:53The Gage, I agree, guys.
14:54You mentioned the Gage thing.
14:56Gage has got to come in to pitch to Schwab.
14:59You don't walk two guys to put the winning run on second.
15:02You bring him in.
15:03He was pitching up.
15:04He's hitting 0-80 against.
15:05And he made all the right moves up until – I liked what he did.
15:08And even Miller had pitched the day before, I believe.
15:11Come in for one batter to get out.
15:13Yeah, we're with you, Richie.
15:14We're with you, Richie.
15:15Appreciate the call.
15:15What do you do with Devers and Eldridge?
15:17I just – am I maybe too hyper-focused on this?
15:21Are people not as worried as I am about it?
15:23I mean, if you expect Chap –
15:26or if you expect Eldridge to be up to the big league club this year,
15:29you're going to have major questions.
15:31How do you get the guys you want in the lineup?
15:33It'd be one thing if, like –
15:34Because you will have to decide between the way that it works.
15:39You have to decide between Eldridge –
15:42and if he's up, he's playing.
15:43Yes.
15:44Eldridge.
15:45Schmidt.
15:45Devers.
15:46Schmidt.
15:47And then, I mean, I guess Ramos in left.
15:52Adamas at short.
15:53Like, one of those guys can't play every day.
15:55They got too many DHS and too many middle infielders.
15:58Right?
15:59Yes.
15:59Okay.
16:00And too many seven hitters.
16:01Yes.
16:02And I keep coming back to this other thing.
16:05Like, if you are Jordan Alvarez, and you crank in –
16:09I think he's batting like 330.
16:10He's amazing.
16:1112 or 13 jacks.
16:12Oh, yeah.
16:13You're my DH every day.
16:14Yes.
16:14And you feel great about it.
16:16100%.
16:16100%.
16:17But for most teams that don't have Shohei or Jordan,
16:21it's like we use the DH spot as an optionality
16:25to be able to provide some positional versatility for others,
16:29and we use it as a pseudo rest day for someone else.
16:33Well, on this Giants team, so you're just saying the next decade
16:36could just – DH is just off the board.
16:39That limits you when you're fielding out your team.
16:42And for the Giants, it's not necessarily DH off the board
16:46for the next decade because the hitter is so good.
16:48It's because you have questions about defense,
16:50and you have too many players that play the same position.
16:53And the hitting is subpar.
16:55Yes.
16:55If it's not Casey.
16:56Yes.
16:57I don't know what they do.
17:01Am I overreacting?
17:02Are you overreacting?
17:03No.
17:03Like, this is not just bad for right now,
17:06and yesterday was frustrating as all hell.
17:08I came out and I said at the 6 o'clock hour,
17:10this is one of the worst days that I can remember as a Giants fan.
17:13Just in terms of what happened on a singular day,
17:16those kinds of losses on a doubleheader against that team
17:20that was struggling so mightily, like, it's bad now.
17:23But I'm worried about the future, too, as a result of this.
17:27Like, look, I love Buster Posey,
17:29but we also got to be honest about the moves that Buster Posey's made.
17:33I mean, the biggest moves that he's made, they have failed.
17:36And there's time.
17:37There's a lot of time, unfortunately,
17:39probably too much time for something to change about them.
17:42But as of right now, the moves that he's made,
17:44I mean, they have failed spectacularly.
17:47Oh, it's, I mean.
17:49Devers and Adamus specifically.
17:50What?
17:51I mean, the Tyler Rogers trade has been okay.
17:55What do you think?
17:55Yeah, I mean, you got Drew Gilbert.
17:57You got Blade Tidwell.
17:58Been okay.
17:59I'm just trying to think of all the moves he made.
18:00The extension on Chapman.
18:02Do you get Adamus if you don't extend Chapman?
18:05I don't know.
18:06You know, does Rafi even want to come here if you never sign Adamus?
18:11Well, he doesn't have a choice in the matter.
18:12He traded for him.
18:13But he, I mean, remember how it went down in Boston.
18:16Yeah.
18:16Like, he could have easily shown up here with a bad attitude.
18:19But I'll also.
18:20I'm just asking.
18:21I'm just asking.
18:22Like, it just feels like an entire amount of dominoes that fell.
18:25But that trade in a vacuum.
18:27I mean, Kyle Harrison's pitching great for Milwaukee right now.
18:30And James Tibbs was like the best hitter in AAA.
18:34That's true.
18:34But Boston made the horrific move to move those guys away.
18:38Oh, yeah, yeah.
18:38I think if they were both contributing for Boston, we would have a much bigger frustration.
18:44And the other element is like, hey, they also fired Bob Melvin after extending him.
18:49And then they brought in Tony Vitello.
18:51I think it's been B minus C plus.
18:54For a buster?
18:55On that.
18:56No, on that move alone.
18:57Oh, Vitello.
18:58Yes.
18:58Yeah.
18:58And I don't.
18:59I mean, I don't think he made the right moves yesterday.
19:01Agreed.
19:02Or in this series.
19:02But no, he has not been bad at all.
19:04I thought he was really good in the Dodger series.
19:06Yeah.
19:06And the Marlins series.
19:07I thought he leapt.
19:08Landon Arup continued.
19:09I think he, whatever, got out 18 guys in a row.
19:12Whatever it ended up being.
19:12Yeah, I think the C plus B minus is fair for Vitello.
19:14I agree.
19:15I agree.
19:16So, when I look at the Devers deal, I mean, right now it's like an F.
19:21Yes.
19:22And then I look at the Domus deal, and it's like a D.
19:27Yeah.
19:28I mean, 30 home runs last year, but it was.
19:30So, you think I'm too harsh?
19:31It felt like the most meaningless 30 home run season I've seen in a long time.
19:36And that might be harsh.
19:38You think you're being harsh?
19:39That might be harsh for me.
19:40I was listening to Stiney and Goo earlier this week, and Stiney gave out a stat that I didn't know.
19:44This is what?
19:45I told you about it during the last break.
19:47Of all the 30 home run hitters last year, Adama said the worst batting average.
19:52And I think, what, 21 of the 22 bombs were solo shots?
19:55And I could go back, and I'll go through the game log, and I can figure it out during the
19:59next commercial break.
19:59But I, man, it feels like the vast majority of his 30 home runs last year were relatively inconsequential.
20:05Down by five runs in the seventh inning.
20:07It's like, all right, congrats.
20:09He got to 30, but what did that do for me?
20:11So, what do I do?
20:12How do I weigh all this?
20:13Like, they stuck with Jung-Hoo Lee.
20:15That's a Farhan guy, but they stuck with him.
20:17He's been great this year.
20:18He's been great this year.
20:19Lately.
20:20Okay.
20:20I don't think the Harrison Bader deal has gone particularly well.
20:23It's early.
20:24Especially with the way that Drew Gilbert's playing.
20:26100%.
20:27How about bringing in Susack?
20:29That's worked.
20:30Yeah.
20:30Rule five guy.
20:31You kind of found him out of nowhere.
20:33Landon Roop has worked.
20:34Landon Roop's been great.
20:35Maybe you say the prior regime kind of found him.
20:37Yeah.
20:37You know, but I'll give them credit for that.
20:39And the Robbie Ray deal was made because they overpaid for Mitch Hanager.
20:43And Farhan made a great deal.
20:44It was a great deal.
20:45He made a great deal.
20:46There's just no other way around it.
20:47You got off of a bad move.
20:48You got off of a bad move and you got a really good pitcher as a result.
20:51Somehow.
20:53So, I'm just trying to weigh all the deals that he's done.
20:55And I'm just trying to like put it all together.
20:57Arise has been an excellent acquisition.
21:00Yes.
21:00I can admit that.
21:01He's been a lot better than I was expecting.
21:02Yeah.
21:03The Gerard and Karnassian thing.
21:05I'm done with it.
21:06I don't know why.
21:07It's whatever.
21:08You know.
21:09But the way that they've handled the bullpen and the way that they've handled the rotation
21:12has left so much to be desired on top of the anchor contracts.
21:17And I think it's magnified how bad the offense has been when you're playing in these tight
21:23games and you can't finish.
21:24Well, the 6-5-0 on the text line writes, Buster inherited a mess to begin with.
21:30Freely acknowledge that.
21:31But has he made the mess worse by some of these contracts?
21:36As of right now, he has.
21:38And okay, my concern.
21:40And again, this gets to the bigger picture.
21:42Obviously, this season right now, it's not dead.
21:44It's not over.
21:45It's not looking great.
21:46They're 13-18.
21:47There's a ton of season left.
21:49Things can turn around.
21:50But as we were talking about to begin this segment, this is what win now looks like for
21:55the Giants.
21:55This is not like 2013 Warriors.
21:59Oh, we got some positive developments here.
22:01Some young players are coming around and we're looking like, oh, maybe in a few years we can
22:06compete.
22:06We're going to get a taste of the playoffs this year.
22:09We're going to be better in a couple of years.
22:10And maybe then we're ready to compete.
22:12No, this is a team that is supposed to be ready to win now.
22:14I know.
22:15And they're not ready.
22:16Their best players are around 30 or more or older.
22:19Yeah, but they're not even playing like your best players.
22:21And they're not even close to it.
22:22And then your team overall is not good enough.
22:25And if this is what your win now looks like, and you have all this money tied up for these
22:30guys that will be old and not as good in the future, my concern is, okay, well, what
22:36does ownership think of all that?
22:38What happens when ownership looks at the bill this year for this performance and they say,
22:43well, I'm not signing a player like Adamas in that kind of contract ever again?
22:47Because we saw how that played out.
22:48Well, it's the price of doing business and ownership in modern sports.
22:51You're going to have to pay people.
22:52Like, it's just, it is what it is.
22:53I mean, it just is what it is.
22:56I mean, we got to look at the Marlins.
22:58They're better than the Marlins, right?
23:00Yeah, they better be.
23:02We saw them versus the Nationals.
23:03They're better than, these are teams with better records than them right now.
23:06They're better than the Nationals.
23:07Won both those series.
23:08Yeah.
23:08Okay.
23:09We saw them play the Reds.
23:11What do you think?
23:11I like the Reds.
23:12I do too.
23:13I do too.
23:14I believe in them more than I believe in the Giants.
23:16I probably would say the Reds are better.
23:17I would agree.
23:18Cubs.
23:18I haven't had a chance to see them.
23:19I've watched in their 19 and 12.
23:21What do you think of that?
23:21Cubs are better.
23:22I think so too.
23:23Cardinals are playing really well right now.
23:25Jordan Walker's been on fire.
23:27What do you think?
23:28They're 18 and 13.
23:30Okay.
23:31Brewers.
23:31I'm just going around the National League before I get to the NLs.
23:33Brewers are better.
23:34Brewers are better than the Giants.
23:35There's a better run organization too.
23:36All right.
23:37Even the Pirates are at 500 right now.
23:4016 and 16.
23:41And then I get to the San Francisco Giants' division.
23:44Dodgers are 20 and 11.
23:46We know they're better.
23:47Even though they won the series.
23:49Yep.
23:49I think it's pretty obvious.
23:50Their track record speaks for itself.
23:52Padres are 19 and 11.
23:54Better than the Giants.
23:55I just won that series in San Diego earlier this year, right?
23:58I don't know.
23:58Yes.
23:59I don't know what to make of the Rockies.
24:00They've had an awesome, you know, for them, an awesome month.
24:03Giants are better than the Rockies.
24:04Okay.
24:05But you got to go out and do it.
24:06But they're not in the standings right now.
24:08They're last place in the NL West.
24:11They're one of the worst teams in the National League.
24:14They're the third worst team in the National League.
24:15What's crazy is the three worst teams in the National League are the Phillies, the Mets, and the Giants.
24:20And the Mets and Phillies have swept the Giants.
24:23Mets took three or four.
24:24Three or four.
24:25Excuse me.
24:25Yeah.
24:25Giants also beat, won a series versus the Phillies.
24:28They played them twice already.
24:29That was earlier this year.
24:29Yes.
24:29I'm just talking about more recently.
24:30Yes.
24:35I don't know where they go.
24:37You're calling them win now, and they're just not.
24:40Like, that's the hard part to swallow.
24:42They're just not.
24:42But, like, where they are in their lifespan with this roster and this core and that group, with Adamas and
24:49Devers and Chapman?
24:49Like, this should be a win now.
24:51I know.
24:52Otherwise, why the hell do you have them?
24:55It's a great question.
24:56I hate to play consequentialist radio, meaning if you're not a champion, then you're blowing it up.
25:01Right?
25:01You know what I mean?
25:02Like, those are extremes.
25:03There is a middle ground.
25:04There is a middle ground.
25:05For a lot of teams.
25:06All right.
25:06There's a middle ground.
25:07You know?
25:08And I acknowledge that.
25:10You're minus 26 on the year in run differential.
25:16Also, third worst in the National League.
25:18Okay, so, like, that is a really good indicator, as well as win-loss record.
25:22But, like, that's a really good indicator of where this offense and defense is currently.
25:28And I look at it and I go, all right, what am I closer to?
25:31If we're in the middle of the room and closer to the playoffs or closer to being one of the
25:36four or five worst teams in the National League,
25:38yet we are a little closer to being one of the four or five worst teams in the National League.
25:43And it's, to me, the data and the record and all that, that speaks for itself.
25:47The eyeball test.
25:49They're not the greatest defensive team.
25:52They don't pitch well in more days than not.
25:55Their bullpen is closer by committee, which is difficult to navigate.
26:00And the middle of their order is putrid.
26:04What does this team hang its hat on?
26:06That's why I asked you earlier, what do they do well?
26:08And your answer was, drive me crazy.
26:10Which is the right answer?
26:12Cash checks.
26:13Cash checks.
26:13I don't know.
26:14I don't know what the answer to that question is.
26:17I don't know.
26:18It should be the offense.
26:20Well, it's not.
26:21So we all thought it was going to be, but not only are they not a good offense, they're the
26:25worst offense in the league.
26:27What would you do?
26:28Would you pull the cord on one of these guys?
26:30No, I think you just have to pray that Devers and Adamus start hitting.
26:33Yikes.
26:33I don't know what else you can do.
26:35What can you do?
26:36I was contemplating.
26:37I was contemplating Devers.
26:38No, but what about, I'm just going hypotheticals here.
26:41Eventually you bring Eldridge up, but other than just hope you have to play Devers every day,
26:46we got a text that came in and says you got to put Rafi on the DL, the IL.
26:49He needs to reset and bring Eldridge up to C and then re-evaluate in two to four weeks.
26:52You don't do that to Rafael Devers.
26:55But you have to blame.
26:56You have no other choice.
26:57And you have to hope that eventually he starts hitting like he has for the last nearly a decade.
27:02If you could get off of any of these deals, right, in a hypothetical, would you pull the cord?
27:11Not all of them, just one.
27:12How am I getting off?
27:13What do you mean?
27:14Let's say the Yankees call you.
27:15These are all pure hypotheticals.
27:17They call you and say, we want Matt Chapman.
27:19Well, what am I getting?
27:21Pennies on the dollar.
27:22We'll take on the contract.
27:23No, not Matt Chapman.
27:25Okay.
27:25Why not?
27:27I don't think Matt Chapman's been bad.
27:28Okay.
27:29But that's not the answer.
27:30Or, like, I don't think he's been bad either.
27:34Has he been great?
27:35I would contemplate it for Adamus.
27:36Oh, Adamus, I would have done it yesterday.
27:39But I think I would do it on Chapman.
27:41I think I would.
27:43And not necessarily because of the player Chapman is, but because of the commitment to Chapman
27:48and then freeing up a position for Casey Schmidt.
27:51And giving my team a little breathing room in terms of this, you know, redundant positional value that I have
27:57across the board.
27:57So you're ready to, like, wave the white flag.
27:59That's not waving the white flag to me.
28:01It feels like it is.
28:01Chapman's been one of their better players.
28:03I think Schmidt's been better.
28:05Sure.
28:05If I'm banking on who I like over the next two years.
28:08It's not like replacing Schmidt for Chapman or replacing Chapman for Schmidt makes you a load better.
28:15No, it doesn't.
28:16It doesn't.
28:16It feels like you're waving the white flag, which if you feel that way, that's fine.
28:19They're not good and they're giving you no reason to believe.
28:22I mean, do you believe in them?
28:25I believe they're better than 13 and 18.
28:27Do I believe in them as a legitimate contender?
28:29No.
28:30Not even a contender.
28:30Do you believe they could be a playoff team?
28:32I thought at the beginning of the season that they could be.
28:34But do you now?
28:35It's going to be a lot harder.
28:36No, probably not.
28:37Okay.
28:38I would bet no.
28:39What I thought coming into the season was, if they're not competing for a playoff spot
28:43the final two weeks of the season, I will be disappointed.
28:46I don't think they had to make the playoffs.
28:49I'll put it to you this way.
28:50If they missed the playoffs barely, I don't think I would have been like, oh my God, failure.
28:54Fire everybody.
28:55No, that would not have been how I reacted.
28:57But they're good enough to compete for a playoff spot.
29:01Is this worse than you thought?
29:02Absolutely.
29:03Way worse than I thought.
29:04I agree.
29:05But the hitting's just been so bad.
29:06But I'm not trading away Matt Chapman and saying, all right, let's regroup next year.
29:10That's far too early for that.
29:12No, I didn't say you regroup next year.
29:13I just think you're opening up spots.
29:14I think about it with Adamus because Adamus has been so poor and the contract is more prohibitive.
29:19But who's playing shortstop?
29:19I mean, I throw Casey Schmidt there.
29:21Whatever.
29:21I mean, that's why I like Casey.
29:23He's not a great shortstop.
29:25Yeah, I agree.
29:26And all of their prospects in the minors are shortstops.
29:29Okay, well, the 707 says, yes, pull the cord on one of them.
29:32Take it on the chin and move on.
29:33Is that how Giants fans feel?
29:35I think you have to.
29:36I just think you have to contemplate it.
29:38I want to hear from Giants fans.
29:40You know what?
29:40I heard from Sam Lubman and Risotto because they're in the clubhouse.
29:42They're like, the clubhouse would be so deflated if you moved Chapman.
29:46I'm like, really?
29:47And they're like, yeah, he's a big team leader.
29:49I'm like, get Risotto way in here.
29:50Please talk some sense into this guy.
29:52You're 13 and 18 and you've been here.
29:53Shasky.
29:53Shasky.
29:55Trading one of those guys, you would essentially be rebuilding.
29:59Like, you would essentially be waving the white flag, like Randy said, and you would literally
30:03be selling two months before the deadline.
30:05I mean, they bought two months before the deadline last year.
30:08So you want to, so this season's over.
30:10We're going to sell.
30:11No, no.
30:11It's just, I think you need to open up.
30:13Look, is Bryce.
30:13I don't think that's opening up a spot.
30:16Let me ask you this.
30:16Let me ask you this.
30:17Before this season started, did you think Chapman, Devers, and Adamus were more important than
30:21Eldridge?
30:23I don't know if it's a level of importance.
30:25I'm asking.
30:26I'm just asking.
30:26Did you think they were more important?
30:27Well, yes, of course they're more important.
30:29Yeah, more invested.
30:30I did too.
30:30And now I'm thinking after a month, they shouldn't be.
30:34That's where I've pivoted.
30:35And I'm not saying that he's the end-all, be-all.
30:37He's the saving grace.
30:38But, like, if you haven't thought about opening up spots for Schmidt and Eldridge and giving
30:42them, like, runway, like, true runway, I don't think this course we're doubling down on
30:48and standing pat.
30:49If you can get out from one of these deals, it has to be.
30:52Standing pat is not doubling down.
30:54Where are they going to play every day?
30:57We've talked about it.
30:58It's an issue when Eldridge is up.
31:00He'll be here soon.
31:02You still feel confident about that?
31:04Well, I think he should be.
31:05Like, I'm more optimistic and I'm more hopeful for the younger guys coming up and, like, let's
31:11just see what they have than this old core.
31:13I don't believe in these three guys as my three best players.
31:16That's what I keep coming back to.
31:17And I know I sound like a dude.
31:18I don't either.
31:18I don't either, but I'm being very consequential and I, you guys call it wave the white flag.
31:23I don't.
31:23I think it's just opening up a spot for a younger player that I think is as good now as
31:29Matt
31:31Chapman and could be better maybe next year.
31:33In this hypothetical, are you getting any MLB ready player for Chapman?
31:38I need arms.
31:38So throw me some arms.
31:40Throw me some arms.
31:41Like, right?
31:42Don't we need arms?
31:44Yeah.
31:45Sure.
31:45Absolutely.
31:45I don't know.
31:47Do you love the concept of Matt Chapman and Adamas two years from now as that side of
31:52the infields?
31:53I don't.
31:54I don't love it either, but I feel it's way more about Adamas than it is about Chapman.
32:00No doubt.
32:01But I don't think Adamas, no one wants him.
32:04Like, who wants him?
32:05Chapman at least has some value.
32:07Like, it's a process of elimination for me.
32:09And again, I'm trying not to do like, well, if you're not competing, then you need to
32:14take it.
32:14That's not what I'm saying.
32:15I'm saying like, I'm really excited by what I've seen from Casey Schmidt.
32:19And I would have gave Chapman the deal.
32:21But now I'm having a little like buyer's remorse.
32:23And I do think that something needs to be shooken up so that I can see some young players
32:27get some runway.
32:28But the worst thing they could do this year for me, like as a fan right now, is continue
32:33to be subpar five to 10 games under 500 all year and not get a thorough look at Casey in
32:39the field and Eldridge in the field.
32:42That to me would be a huge disappointment.
32:45Huge disappointment.
32:46If you're not going to compete for a playoff spot, I do want to see some of the young guys.
32:51And maybe I'm...
32:51Yeah, it's too early to make that decision or that determination.
32:53You might be right.
32:54Far too early.
32:55You might be right.
32:55And I'm on the heels of a pretty crummy day yesterday for Giants fans.
32:59It's terrible.
32:59Look, I...
33:00I'm telling you how I feel right now.
33:01I straight up said it was one of the worst days that I can remember as a Giants fan.
33:06That...
33:06Like, you're not wrong.
33:08It is terrible right now.
33:09But it's May 1st.
33:11It is May 1st.
33:13And look, maybe this continues down a terrible road and the trade deadline comes around in
33:17late July or whenever it is.
33:19I think it's late July.
33:20And they're 15 games under .500 and they're out of a playoff spot.
33:25It's all over.
33:26And maybe they consider something then.
33:28I think that would be absolutely fair to think about the Chapman-Adamus-Devers core and
33:35trying to move off of one of them, maybe, at that point.
33:38It's not happening May 1st.
33:40It's not even crossing their mind.
33:42Well, it is crossing my mind.
33:43And I know I'm more emotional than most.
33:47Talk to a Dodger fan.
33:49And they're like, Adamus and Chapman and Devers, are you serious?
33:54You're coming at us with a water pistol and we've got an entire fleet over here?
34:00Well, yeah, but that's the Dodgers.
34:01It's the best team.
34:03Talk to a Padres fan.
34:04I got two different buddies.
34:06My boy Jameson, who lives down in San Diego.
34:08He's like, Adamus?
34:09You gave Adamus?
34:11He goes, we thought the Bogart steal was bad.
34:12Then we saw the Adamus steal.
34:14And I go, really?
34:15He's like, yes.
34:16Bogart stinks, too.
34:19I agree.
34:20But that's how, again, that's how you think about them.
34:22This is how they think about us.
34:26888-957-9570.
34:28Are you guys with Chaski?
34:29I mean, I know you don't like me saying waving the white flag, but that's what it sounds like to
34:33me.
34:33I don't like that because that sounds like we're just giving up.
34:34We're not giving up.
34:35I'm not giving up.
34:36I'm opening up spots for younger guys.
34:38Okay.
34:39Are you willing to trade away one of the core, meaning Chapman, Devers, Damus, to create spots for Eldridge, for
34:48Schmidt?
34:48Is that something you're willing to do right now?
34:50888-957-9570.
34:54Let's see.
34:56The 307 writes, Chapman can pound sand.
34:59I lost respect for him last year when he ripped the grounds crew for the infield dirt.
35:03Trade his ass.
35:04415.
35:05Chapman is the leader of the team.
35:06No way he goes anywhere.
35:08The 925.
35:10Grandy, at this point, they're not competing for a playoff spot the last two months, let alone the last two
35:14weeks.
35:15The 209 writes, the move should be for MLB bullpen arms and closers.
35:20Not bringing up AAA hopefuls.
35:23The 707.
35:24Regarding Adamus, his tenure as a giant needs to come to an end.
35:28Let Schmidt be the starting shortstop and see what you can get for him on the market.
35:32His happy-go-lucky attitude goes against what Vitello and Posey want to build.
35:36Plus, he's just not good.
35:37Tired of him talking to opponents during play.
35:41Oh, that doesn't...
35:42The 808.
35:43I'd rather lose with young players than lose with these guys making $30 million a year or more.
35:49707 says what you said.
35:51Not waving the white flag, but pivoting and making room for your highly-touted prospect that will excite the fan
35:56base.
35:57Okay, so are we all in on just what will excite the fan base and move away from what we
36:01think is going to make the team the best?
36:03I'm not convinced that these guys are the best, and that's the sucky part about where we're at.
36:07Well, they're not right now, but are you going to trust the track record of their major league careers,
36:11or are you going to say after a month of the season, we're done with them?
36:14Well, I would probably sell on them.
36:16If you're asking me about Adamas in particular, no one wants him.
36:20That's number one.
36:21I mean, he's the clear guy to move, but no one wants him.
36:25His baseball card is not great.
36:28Adamas?
36:28Yeah.
36:29Yeah, he hits for power, but in a ballpark that was made for power in a lineup where he wasn't
36:34asked to carry.
36:35As your best hitter, yeah, not great.
36:37But if he's hitting in your fifth, sixth spot, it's not that bad.
36:40And he had a lot of errors the second year prior in Milwaukee.
36:45He claimed it was because of the infield.
36:48They changed the grass and the dirt in the infield.
36:50He's been okay.
36:53I mean, he's been okay defensively, but it's not about just this year.
36:57If you can get off of something that's not going to age well next year and the year after that,
37:02and the year after that, and the year after that, you have to make some calculated long-term decisions here,
37:09and you just got to look down the pipe a little.
37:12Again, I don't love it.
37:14I hate being like this.
37:15I really do.
37:16I hate being like this right now.
37:18But this team has showed you, and Adamas in particular, for a full year,
37:22that he is a very inconsistent player for this team.
37:25And if you can get out from that money, it has to have crossed your mind.
37:30Like, it has to.
37:31No one's sitting there like, dude, I can't wait until five years from now.
37:34What's it going to look like five years from now?
37:37How can anyone feel that way?
37:39888-957-9570.
37:41Are you with Shasky?
37:42Are you ready to move on from this core completely?
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