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00:00I want to go to a Giants game today, except they're in Philadelphia,
00:04so you can only have to live with just watching said Giants game.
00:09Hopefully Rafi Davers can do something good in this Giants game, though.
00:12He talked in the media yesterday for about four minutes
00:17and basically said that—
00:18For four minutes?
00:19For four whole minutes.
00:20Four minutes?
00:21I'll give you guys a couple minutes.
00:22Let's go.
00:24Steven, you're in the clubhouse a lot after games.
00:28How long are these rare Rafi Davers postgame sessions usually going?
00:32Three, four minutes?
00:32That sounds about right.
00:33I can't remember when I was even a part of one.
00:36How does that go?
00:37He never talks to the media.
00:38Okay, but for those that don't know, in a baseball clubhouse, how does that go?
00:43So, like, Casey's getting dressed at his—
00:47So you're asking about postgame.
00:49No, just postgame.
00:50Casey Schmidt, player X, is at his locker, and he's kind of getting dressed.
00:56Does he, like, go, hey, come on over, or do you just go over to him?
01:00Or is it kind of a known thing?
01:02You can walk up and talk to him?
01:04Does the PR director tell you who's available, who's not?
01:07Walk me through just availability in general.
01:09Yeah, let me peel this curtain back for you.
01:10So we go into the clubhouse, and in the middle of the room,
01:14they have this little backdrop set up, little Giants backdrop,
01:17kind of similar to the backdrop you have behind you in the 95-7, the game one.
01:20All right.
01:20Except it says San Francisco Giants all over it.
01:22They don't have a 95-7, the game one.
01:24And we get in there, we all make a semicircle around,
01:27and the first thing that happens is that day's starting pitcher
01:30will then meander their way over.
01:32Last year, like, with Justin Verlander, he was always just standing right there,
01:35ready to go.
01:36Oh, Verlander was just available?
01:37No, this is after his starts.
01:39Okay.
01:41Like, the other day, you know, like, when Adrian Hauser started,
01:44we go and make the semicircle.
01:45You see him in his locker.
01:46He stands up.
01:47He meanders his way over.
01:48I get out of the way, let him get into the circle.
01:51We talk, talk, talk.
01:53He goes sit down.
01:54And then we look at Giants PR director, Matt Chisholm,
01:57and he's like, so who do you guys want next?
01:59And it's a scrum of reporters.
02:01Yes.
02:02And we'll be like, okay, we talk to Elliott.
02:04All right, then Elliott will go over and he'll stand there.
02:05Who makes that decision?
02:06Like, what if you're like, I want Elliott.
02:08I want to rise.
02:11Usually, Susan Slusser, Andrew Baggerly are kind of like the ones.
02:15So they're the top dogs.
02:16I would say, yeah, our pavs as well.
02:18They're kind of the ones that will like, look, can we get this person?
02:21And they'll call that person.
02:23Other times, though, if they don't come and stand in front of the backdrop,
02:27like, this actually happens with Elliott a lot.
02:29I know I mentioned Elliott as an example,
02:31but we do this for Elliott a lot where he'll be sitting at his locker
02:34and then one person looks at him, another person looks at him.
02:39One person starts taking a step over to his locker.
02:42Everybody else starts taking a step over to his locker.
02:44Next thing you know, he looks up and there's just a semicircle.
02:47Is that because he's approachable?
02:50I think he is.
02:51I mean, if you're in your locker in the clubhouse with the media,
02:54there's an implied understanding that you're going to be a pro.
02:57So how many guys are in there at any given time?
02:59Or are they all, like, trying to go shower or do whatever in another room?
03:03Post-game, I would say there's maybe anywhere from after loss,
03:08there's going to be, like, three or four guys in there, a lot of them are in the shower.
03:11I think a lot of them try to just get out away from us as quickly as possible.
03:15Guys are coming in and out, too, just to add.
03:17They're coming in in towels.
03:18Yeah, most guys are showering or whatever after the game
03:21and then walking back to their particular club.
03:24Yeah, or sometimes they'll be in the cafeteria that they have,
03:27the little lunchroom.
03:28Not starting Goose Cafeteria.
03:30No, yeah, they're not sipping soda pops.
03:31Unless it's Chuck Peterson.
03:34Well, that's when they're playing Pusoy in the bathroom there.
03:37So, yeah, some guys will be under there.
03:38But, yeah, so sometimes we walk up to their locker room.
03:41Like, Willie Adamas, sometimes he comes to us.
03:43Sometimes we go to him.
03:45Rafi, for the most part, last year we went to him.
03:49And then we had to get translator Erwin Higueroz to kind of go stand next to him
03:52and translate.
03:55When he translates most of his responses and the questions, too,
03:58Rafi's English, I think, is better than he'll let on.
04:01Because there's been times where I've asked him a question where it's like,
04:03you know, hey, Rafi, you know, like, this is early on.
04:06Like, how do you feel like you're going to be able to hit in this ballpark?
04:08Because it's a very different ballpark than Fenway.
04:10And before Erwin could repeat the question, Rafi gave his answer in Spanish.
04:14And Erwin responds like, oh, yeah, it's baseball.
04:16I can hit anywhere.
04:17Something like that.
04:18So his English is a lot better than he'll let on publicly.
04:22If you approach somebody in the locker room, clubhouse, whatever they're calling it these
04:28days, they're sitting down, is it assumed everything that comes out of my mouth will
04:33be video recorded if I'm a player?
04:36So this is probably more pregame.
04:39Because pregame, there's an hour of availability where guys are sitting at their locker.
04:42And again, if you're in the clubhouse during the hour-long availability, at any point,
04:47one of us can go up and talk to you.
04:48And you just know that that's part of the job of being in the clubhouse.
04:51So as long as I stay out of there, no one can bother me.
04:53That's why a lot of times you don't see Matt Chapman and Willie Adamas in their pregame.
04:56They're always in the hitting case.
04:57Okay, keep going.
04:58It's weird how that works out.
05:00But sometimes I'll go up to them and I'll be like, hey, do you have a couple minutes to chat?
05:05And sometimes they're like, are they on their way to do something?
05:07I'll go up to Landon Roop.
05:08Like, hey, Landon, you got a couple minutes?
05:10He's like, I got to go throw in a minute.
05:11So no, I don't have time.
05:12Dude, if I saw you coming over, hey, you got a couple minutes?
05:15No, actually, I don't.
05:16Well, that's why you're not on the Giants.
05:19Other times you go up and like this, some I'm kind of doing this year, I'll go up.
05:22I won't even ask him like any on record questions.
05:24Just go up and be like, hey, Logan, you excited for the Fernando Mendoza era?
05:27And we'll chop it up about Raider football for a minute.
05:29Or I'll go up to Drew Gilbert.
05:31It's like, hey, so what's the headband going to be today?
05:33You got to go one of the shade of colors.
05:35You got to go pickle Rick.
05:36What's it going to be today?
05:38Doesn't always have to be about, you know, baseball stuff.
05:40You just want to just chat with them and talk to them as human to human.
05:44And then if you take your phone out to record, then it's like, all right, now we're on record.
05:47What you're saying here is business.
05:49You know, let's let's get down to work there.
05:52That's pregame postgame.
05:53It's a little bit more structured in terms of requesting players to be available.
05:59So that's how that goes.
06:01OK, so Rafi's just been out of sight, out of mind.
06:04I have not seen Rafi postgame in a long while.
06:07Again, I'm only there for half the home game.
06:09So I don't know if, you know, he's more present after weeknight home games.
06:14But for weekday, weekend home games, I have not seen him a lot after games.
06:19So it's been about a month and he's talked once.
06:21This is the second time.
06:24This is the first time he's spoken since April 8th.
06:26OK, I I don't think I've been in a scrum with him yet this year.
06:30So it's 22 days.
06:31All right.
06:31So what did he say?
06:33So he started off, he's asked about the frustration of so far his performance this year.
06:39And he said through Erwin Higueroz, there's no reason to be frustrated.
06:43It's my job.
06:44Every baseball player goes through ups and downs.
06:46That's the only thing I know how to do.
06:48And I do believe in myself that eventually I am going to get out of this funk, which
06:54kind of stays in line with, I think, the consistent message he's given ever since he's gotten here,
06:58which is that he's comfortable with the kind of player he is, and he's confident that the player that he
07:03is
07:04will translate in any ballpark against any pitcher on any day.
07:07And he trusts that he can always still be the ballplayer that he is.
07:11Read that again.
07:13So he said there's this is he was asked about the frustration to the start of the season.
07:18And he said there's no reason to be frustrated.
07:21It's my job.
07:22Every baseball player goes through ups and downs.
07:25That's the only thing I know how to do.
07:27And I do believe in myself that eventually I'm going to get out of this funk.
07:32Does he address what exactly the funk is related to?
07:37Like, why is he not seeing the ball very well?
07:39Why is he striking out so much?
07:41I don't believe he was asked that.
07:43Again, I'm pulling all these quotes out of all the writers have some form of a story this morning.
07:47I think Susan Slusser wrote a story about the comments.
07:50I pulled these from the Andrew Baggerly story in The Athletic about it.
07:54And nobody had any audio.
07:56Interesting.
07:57Well, usually it's the beat reporters don't like they have their own tape audio and stuff that they'll go back.
08:03But it's not like they don't want it to go out to the public.
08:05Well, I the only way you would get audio of this pregame, I guess is this was a pregame availability
08:11that he had or just an extra availability they had because of the rain out.
08:14If I had to speculate, like the reason we are able to get audio at the station is in part
08:20because NBC Sports Bay Area has the cameras there and they're videoing it.
08:24We pull their audio or myself or Stephen or Ken Luttrell is there getting video pregame.
08:29That's where we get a lot of our stuff from.
08:31If we are us, 95-7 don't have a person there or if Comcast Sport, not Comcast, NBC Sports Bay
08:39Area doesn't have someone there and it's just the beat writers, there's going to be no like audio that we
08:45can listen to.
08:46Yeah, that makes sense.
08:46We wouldn't want to put that out because you want to be able to put it in your story and
08:49then, you know, get people to click on the on the paywall.
08:52Yeah, I get it.
08:53So that's how that works there.
08:55It does go on to say, though, that Devers did not express much in the way of accountability for the
09:01Giants offensive struggles.
09:02Yeah, no.
09:03It also reflects the difference between basketball, football and then baseball and why the medias are so different.
09:08Oh, it's incredibly different.
09:10Like the NFL, it's so structured to where it's just like it feels very just business-like with all these
09:16pressers.
09:17That being said, like even Anthony Slater has sit-downs with Steph Curry or Friedle has sit-downs with Steph
09:22Curry where that audio isn't released.
09:23But those are usually individual or one-on-one, it feels like, as opposed to a scrum.
09:28Yeah, Matt Barrows, he'll do the same thing.
09:29He has his sit-downs with players, but he's not going to release that audio.
09:32That's just for him.
09:35Anyway, so the Bags piece goes on to say that Devers did not express much in the way of accountability
09:40for the Giants offensive struggles, and he barely acknowledged his own.
09:44He answered a seemingly innocuous introductory question about frustration by taking offense at it, saying, we're humans, Devers said during
09:53the four-minute session.
09:54I don't understand why media in general always thinks that we or I am frustrated.
10:00It's something that I really don't appreciate, and this is the reason why I sometimes don't want to talk to
10:05the media because it's very negative.
10:08You're not ticked off that you're not doing well?
10:10I'm watching you.
10:10You're, like, disgusted after you strike out, and you're walking back.
10:13Of course he's frustrated.
10:14Yeah, you're allowed to be frustrated.
10:15What is he talking about?
10:17Don't blame the media for you not playing well.
10:19Rafi, I would want you to be frustrated for having a bad day.
10:21You snapped a bat in half, dude.
10:23Yeah, like, what's he talking about?
10:25Bags are very hard to snap in half.
10:26Have you ever snapped a wooden bat in half?
10:28No.
10:28That's very difficult to do.
10:30Oh, it's like when Bo Jackson broke over there.
10:32This guy clearly has some war wounds, insecurity, whatever you want to call it, regarding however he was covered in
10:39Boston.
10:40No one has done anything but praise this guy since he's come here.
10:43I mean, Joe, we were giving him massive standing ovations the second he got here, and I do wonder, yeah,
10:48the Boston aspect of it.
10:49Oh, there's not a doubt in my mind that it has, you know, an impact on how he's viewing this
10:54situation.
10:54Yeah, like, I don't want to take a knock about how, you know, the Giants media contingent covers the team.
10:58I think they do a very good job at it.
11:00But I do think Boston, Philly, New York, those are much different media atmospheres.
11:08Like, when the Mets were in town, I went to the Mets clubhouse, and they had Juan Soto talk before
11:14the game, and it had just been announced that he was going on the IL for a calf issue, which,
11:19Stephen, you helped me out here on this one.
11:21When's the last time we talked to a player who had just been put on the injured list to talk
11:26about when they might be back in their health issues?
11:29Usually they're not around the first few days of being on the injured list.
11:33So it's usually closer to when they're doing on-field rehab, and then you can kind of see them walking
11:37into the dugout before the game.
11:39But it's usually not immediately.
11:41Yeah, so that I thought was very interesting, the fact that their premier player, their highest-paid player, on the
11:47day he was going on the IL, was going to be asking questions, or answering questions.
11:51And he got, like, five or six questions that were, like, very specific but somewhat different questions about the rehab,
12:00how much pain he's feeling when he felt it.
12:02Yeah, because their media is, like, let's just call it what it is.
12:06They're a little more aggressive in a good way.
12:08For me, as a sports fan, I appreciate the East Coast way.
12:11Yeah, no, they were very, like, every single little detail that you can think of, they were asking him about.
12:17And I was sitting there just being like, wow, this is really different.
12:21Like, I can't remember the last time that, like, when I say, like, five or six specific questions, like, I
12:26can't remember the last time, you know, we in the Giants media contingent asked several questions in a row about
12:33one specific subject regarding a player.
12:35Sam, I say this with all the respect in the world to these people that do their jobs.
12:38Their style of covering is just gentler.
12:42And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way.
12:46There's many ways to get, you know, your coverage, right?
12:49There's many, many ways.
12:51And at times, I understand all the angles, but I think the majority of the people covering the Giants, it's
12:58a more gentler coverage.
13:00We can be, oh, it's okay.
13:01Yeah, I, it's definitely different.
13:03There's an East Coast gotcha that they ask questions with.
13:07I think it's an East Coast, West Coast thing.
13:09Yeah, but we do that with football.
13:11We do that with the Niners.
13:12Well, football is its own different world.
13:13Oh, can we do that with the Warriors?
13:15When Steve Kerr is up there, he's getting hit.
13:18And we love Nick Ferdell.
13:19Nick Ferdell's not a gotcha guy.
13:21Yeah.
13:21But he'll ask the uncomfortable questions.
13:23Remember, he asked Kelly Oubre, are you willing to take a pay cut to stay here?
13:27I'm not answering any more of your questions.
13:29That's Nick Ferdell.
13:30He's like one of the nicest guys ever.
13:32Yeah.
13:32When I think of Nick Ferdell's coverage of the Warriors, the last thing, and I love Nick, I tell him
13:36this all the time, the last thing I think of with him is gotcha.
13:39Do you think Anthony Slater, he covers very thoroughly.
13:42When I see his coverage of the Warriors, I don't think gotcha or Marcus Thompson or Kawakami.
13:49I don't think.
13:50And I think they all come pretty hard at the Warriors.
13:53What am I tripping?
13:54What I'll add to that, though, I think is different.
13:56I think in baseball, you're around these guys so much more.
14:00So I do think the day-to-day relationships, like you got to, that matters a lot more.
14:05And you also, I think, have to better pick and choose your spots.
14:09When to ask the tougher questions.
14:11Because, again, you are around these guys every day.
14:13I don't dismiss that.
14:14So I think that changes it a little bit.
14:15But, Sam, overall, I think it's a fair thing to say.
14:19The coverage in general, in general, is just gentler when it comes to the Giants.
14:25I think, yeah, but it's also, I think, still pretty fair.
14:27I think he still gets the same, you know, the past.
14:30I didn't say is it fair.
14:31I didn't say that.
14:32It's gentler.
14:33It's gentler.
14:33I think you can still get from A to B, though, with the New York approach.
14:38If Tony Vitello was coaching the same team with the same stuff, and he was doing it in New York,
14:45how many Gerard and Carnassian questions would he get a day?
14:49Probably a lot.
14:50Probably a lot of the same answer, too.
14:51But, at the same time, like, you're asking the same question every day.
14:55I feel like, well, why is he on the roster if you're not using him, coach?
14:58What's the thought process here?
15:00Why didn't you bat for him?
15:01Like, I'm just saying, like, again, I'm not saying anyone's doing a bad job.
15:06I'm just saying the way it's covered is a little different, and it's okay to acknowledge that.
15:10Yeah, but I would say that I think you still get the same results at the end of the day.
15:15Okay, I ask you the same question.
15:17Why is Gerard and Carnassian on this team?
15:20Well, because they like to have the outfield depth, and they want to be able to have a guy off
15:23the bench who can hit lefties.
15:24You've used him, like, three times all year.
15:27Well, yeah, I don't know.
15:28Well, so that's my point, right?
15:30Like, so, again, I'm not ripping anyone.
15:33I'm not criticizing.
15:36I'm assessing and analyzing the reality of just the landscape of where we're at.
15:41I know you're kind of getting defensive, and I don't want – I'm not attacking you, and I know why
15:45you would feel like I am.
15:46Well, I just – yeah, I do respect what the Giants mean.
15:49I didn't say I – did I at any moment say I don't respect them?
15:51Well, no, I'm going to cape up for the work that they do, I guess.
15:54I'm not saying that you're –
15:55Dude, I respect Pavlovich.
15:56I'm not saying that you're, like, crushing them or anything like that.
15:58No, I'm not doing any of those.
15:59Yeah, you know, I think Andrew Baggerly at one time was way more critical, and I think that he lost
16:04some access.
16:05Yeah.
16:06And unfairly, I'm going to defend Baggerly, and I'm not – am I the biggest Bags guy?
16:10Probably not.
16:11I think he's probably one of the better – one of the top writers on the beat.
16:14100% he asks uncomfortable questions.
16:16You know who's really good, actually, at asking the questions on the Giants media contingent is John Shea.
16:22Yeah, I love John Shea.
16:23He's the guy –
16:24And I don't even agree with some of his points of view.
16:26Yeah, but he's the guy –
16:26But I do love John Shea.
16:27If there's a seriously tough question that needs to be asked, like, he's the guy I think with the most,
16:32like –
16:33I don't know if credibility is the right word, but, like, he's the guy who just always rises up and
16:37asks.
16:37He asked the question a couple weeks ago.
16:38Yeah, I agree.
16:40He asked this question straight up a couple weeks ago.
16:41Why not just play Susak all the time?
16:43Well, I love that question.
16:44But if this were football, we would have asked that question, like, ten times.
16:48Yeah.
16:48Right?
16:49And if it was basketball, would you not have asked that question?
16:52Kaminga got asked every minute of every day.
16:54He gave me one of the way to be playing.
16:55Yeah.
16:55And so, like, now I'll go back and defend, you know, like someone like Baggerly, for example.
16:59The thing with Melky, which is so long ago, like, he got in big trouble for that,
17:04and I thought it was ridiculous.
17:05Melky was clearly guilty, and the Giants were out of line.
17:09And Baggerly got put in his place, and it should not have happened that way.
17:12That was weak.
17:13That was super weak.
17:14I will defend him to the fullest on that.
17:16Melky did that.
17:17Yeah.
17:17Steven Rousseau just got in my ear and said, I guess, they've been getting a lot of Susak questions every
17:21day.
17:21Again, like, there's gaps in what I see because I'm only there on weekends,
17:24so maybe during the weekdays there's more things that happen differently that I don't see.
17:29So I do just want to acknowledge that there's a gap in what I see in the media coverage.
17:33Look, I don't care what team it is, the Giants, the Niners, the Warriors.
17:36I see online a fervor of, why aren't we asking this question?
17:40Why aren't we asking that question?
17:41Which, there's time and a place for everything.
17:44Like, I understand.
17:45I see, like, a lot of the Niner guys get ripped for not asking specific questions to Shanahan.
17:50But I think, in general, they ask all the right questions.
17:54Warriors.
17:54I see a lot of people, like, why are everyone afraid to ask Curran Dunleavy this?
18:00It's like, no, I think we ask a lot of really good questions.
18:03And I think, for the most part, they're really available.
18:05On the Giants, I think, for the most part, we ask a lot of the right questions.
18:10But there are some, I feel like, aren't hammered home in the same way as other sports would be hammered
18:16home.
18:16The Susak one's a great example.
18:18You guys say, oh, he's been asked a lot.
18:20See, I feel like it hasn't been asked enough.
18:22You know what it is?
18:23Because I think a lot of these questions get asked in the pregame sessions.
18:26And I found that the pregame sessions.
18:29Which I don't see as often.
18:30You might be right.
18:32No, the pregame sessions, you can ask a lot of things.
18:33Here, I'll give an example.
18:34So, the other night, some risotto and I were kind of talking about in real time when Adrian Hauser's having
18:40a rough night.
18:41And there was no mound visits at all.
18:43Like, there was no pitching coach to go out and say, hey, work on this.
18:46Or no pitching coach to go out and say, hey, we're going to slow the game down a little bit
18:49for you or anything like that.
18:50And we were talking, like, why that is.
18:53And after the game, I asked, like, was there any discussion to do that?
18:56What are those discussions like?
18:57And Tony gave a pretty long answer about it, basically being like, he doesn't think in that moment, you know,
19:02in certain moments that, I'm paraphrasing here, that you needed a pitching coach mound visit.
19:07He only does that in times of a specific strategy or a mechanical fix or anything like that.
19:12He puts it on the players to kind of go out, or he said he puts it on Bailey to
19:15go out and kind of initiate the mound visits there.
19:17Like, Bailey has, he has the confidence in Bailey to initiate those things.
19:21So, I asked that question.
19:22He gave a long, he gave it.
19:23Well, then you don't want to burn all your mound visits.
19:25Exactly.
19:25So, there's that, too.
19:27And then one of the other writers kind of told me the next day, he's like, hey, you know what?
19:29That was a good question.
19:30But that might have been a better question for a pre-game media session, not a post-game, because you're
19:36asking about the process of determining.
19:38The strategy, the philosophy, as opposed to what just happened.
19:41And he was right.
19:41Like, I probably could have phrased the question a little bit differently.
19:43But, yeah, he was right.
19:44He's like, you know what?
19:45In hindsight, yeah, that was probably a pre-game question, not a post-game question, because the post-game questions
19:49are about the game.
19:52That's what it is.
19:53So, you might not get, you know, certain, like, why not play this guy more?
19:56Why not play that guy more in the post-game sessions?
19:59You're going to see that in the pre-game, and that's the sound that you probably need to get.
20:02We probably need to see out more, because you get a lot of interesting answers from Tony pre-game.
20:07Let's go to Kay Bueno.
20:08Kay Bueno, step up.
20:10What do you got on just the media coverage?
20:13I think in the Giants in particular.
20:15And, you know, obviously, Rafi Devers being, you know, feeling some kind of way after what happened in Boston.
20:21Right.
20:22And, you know, I think you brought up, you're spot on in everything you mentioned about just, like, certain reporters
20:28that are calling out.
20:30Definitely Shea, Baggerly, co-sign on those 1,000%.
20:34And I think, you know, one thing I've noticed that seems to be missing, you know, I'm a fan of
20:38all our, you know, Niners, Giants, Dubs.
20:41And it seemed like, yeah, I definitely sense a lot more of the homerism, quote-unquote, with the Giants.
20:46And I get it.
20:47You know, you want to be fair.
20:49You want to, you know, be kind with them.
20:52But at the same time, I feel like they're missing, you know, they're missing someone like a Grant Cone.
20:56Like, who's with the Niners?
20:58Let's call it what it is.
20:59Like, Grant, that will not be me.
21:01He's spoken a lot of times.
21:03No, but he's not afraid to call out the Niners, you know, face-to-face.
21:08You know, sometimes you can be a little pessimistic.
21:10I'll agree.
21:11But he's also not afraid to just call them out for what he thinks needs to be called out.
21:15I feel like that's kind of missing with the Giants.
21:17I think the Giants get this white glove treatment all across the board.
21:21And, you know, again, I love my team, but I also be like, hey, man, let's have some more accountability.
21:26Let's not be afraid to put their feet to the fire.
21:29And to kind of touch on what you were saying comparing the East Coast media compared to here,
21:34I think this is also a broader discussion because you hear a lot of people saying how here on the
21:40West Coast,
21:40particularly California, you have a lot of people that are, quote-unquote, nice, right?
21:45But they're still not kind.
21:46But then you go to New York, and they come off as rude, but they're still kind.
21:52You know what I mean?
21:53That's a good way to put it.
21:53So I think that kind of carries over to the media coverage.
21:56The New York folks, yeah, they're going to be direct.
21:59They're going to be blunt.
21:59They're going to be in your face calling out the things that need to be called out.
22:02But they're being real.
22:03And I feel like out here things are put a little more with the ribbon,
22:06giving out white glove treatment and soft handling.
22:10I agree.
22:10And sometimes, you know, we can see it.
22:13It can be a little gaslighting for us fans that take notice to it.
22:16Fair enough.
22:17Yeah, it's a great call.
22:18I mean, you know, I also think, and look, this is a real element.
22:21And I want to make this clear.
22:22I am not bashing the other station.
22:24Yeah.
22:25They have been partners with the Giants forever, okay?
22:28We have been partners with the Warriors for a long, long time.
22:31About 10 years.
22:31I will guarantee you that we have traded away your favorite players from this station
22:36and have fired the coach and GMs and all that, you know, 100 times over than what you do.
22:44But that's our style over here.
22:46Again, like we were talking about styles.
22:47We were talking about everyone has a different style.
22:49Some of the styles over there are a little different.
22:52And I think there's different rules and parameters, too, that play in as well.
22:55What do you mean by rules and parameters?
22:56I just think when you're a flag, I think flagships have, I think to your point,
23:00I'm just reiterating what you're saying, is there's different styles.
23:02Plus, I think both stations play by—
23:04Well, no, I meant more personalities of the people talking.
23:06Yes.
23:06And, like, you know, I am different from Mark.
23:09Mark is different from Stiney.
23:10Stiney is different from Guru.
23:12Guru is different from Joe Spadoni or you.
23:14And then they are different from Dibley.
23:16And so, like, we have probably a style that's a little more aggressive.
23:21Over there, for a long time, I don't know about the current landscape,
23:25it's not as aggressive.
23:26It's just different.
23:27These are different styles.
23:28And so I do believe the style of how the Giants have been covered
23:32is vastly different than the style that the Warriors have been covered
23:36in this market, just to compare and contrast it to.
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