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00:00Thank you, Steph. I'm glad you're going to be around next year. You're always going to be entertaining the watch.
00:05It is the morning roast. It's Sam Lubman, not Joe Spadoni, alongside Joe Shasky, brought to you by Golden State,
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00:17All right, the Warriors. What is the best direction for them to go in?
00:22Is it put an entertaining product out there? Is it to try and put a championship product out there?
00:28Or is it to simply turn the page to what the next product is going to be?
00:34And that brings me to Steve Kerr, because Steve Kerr met with Joe Acob and Mike Dunleavy on Monday, according
00:40to sources.
00:41Ramona Shelburne and Sham Sharani reported this yesterday on ESPN.
00:44And word on the street was the meeting lasted about two hours and ended with no deal.
00:50What does that mean? I don't know. I feel like this is something they should have been able to hash
00:54out in one meeting.
00:55But I also think Shasky, as we're trying to, you know, bat this question around of what's the best direction
01:01for the Warriors
01:02or what do they think is the best direction for the Warriors, you know, the Warriors' ownership,
01:07don't you feel like whatever, I don't think this is a shocking question or a tough question,
01:11but don't you think whatever they try to do with Steve Kerr, that's the indication of what they feel is
01:16the more important
01:18or pressing direction they need to take right now?
01:20Well, what if he signs a three-year deal?
01:23I think if he signs a three-year deal, I think that would be an indication that they maybe think
01:30that the path forward is maybe entertaining now.
01:32Maybe they can kind of have it both ways there.
01:35Entertaining now, but then let Kerr maybe start the rebuild.
01:38How did that work last time with two timelines?
01:42I don't know if that works, actually.
01:44Well, I think if, let me say this, if it's a three-year deal, I don't know if that's enough
01:48to try and have, you know,
01:49your cake and eat it too, where you put out a fun year for Steph and then you turn the
01:54page.
01:55I'll be honest, Joe, now that we say it out loud, I don't think you can have both.
01:59I think this draft lottery, this upcoming lottery that's coming up, whatever, wherever the Warriors pick falls,
02:06that's going to have a big determination too, because I don't know if Steve Kerr is going to want to
02:10utilize a draft pick
02:12for someone who's going to be around after he's gone.
02:15I think that draft pick is going to be utilized in a way that helps this team right now.
02:20Well, I mean, it depends what kind of player they get.
02:23If it's the 11th pick and he's a role player and he finds someone similar to, like, you know,
02:28a Pajemski-level player that he thinks can fiddle a variety of lineups, I think he'll play that guy.
02:34I think it, you know, we know the coach's tendencies, so I don't know.
02:42Let me ask you this.
02:43I'm talking about entertainment.
02:45For those that don't want Kerr to return, are you also in the camp that you want LeBron or Kawhi?
02:53Because don't those kind of go hand in hand?
02:56Like, even if you wanted, you know, for whatever your reason was to want Kerr out,
03:02you would acknowledge, like, LeBron or Kawhi would want to have Steve Kerr as your coach.
03:07So those opposing viewpoints cannot be held simultaneously.
03:13I don't know if it's, like, set in stone that you absolutely have to have Kerr to get LeBron or
03:18Kawhi.
03:18You're going to get a first-time coach to coach LeBron and Steph?
03:21Well, I guess in theory you could find a coach who isn't a first-time coach.
03:25I don't have names at the top of my head of who they could bring in.
03:29Like, I'll be like, if you elevated Terry Stotts, just because, let's go with the easy in-house answer.
03:34I don't know if that's luring LeBron or Kawhi Leonard here.
03:36I don't know if there is a name out there.
03:38Maybe there is.
03:38Maybe there isn't.
03:41But to simplify it for this conversation, let's say it's only Kerr can bring those two in.
03:46I think if you feel like LeBron would come here to play for Steve Kerr, then you're leaning towards,
03:53let's just have an entertaining product for a year, maybe two, and then pick up the pieces afterwards
03:59and move on from there and then turn the page, however painful it is at that time.
04:03So Steph and LeBron going out together, that would be very random.
04:06And then what about, like, let's just say he doesn't come back.
04:09Are people in on Kevin Durant?
04:11Because I'm all the way out on Kevin Durant.
04:13I don't.
04:13Well, if Kevin Durant comes back, obviously, I guess the theory is because he doesn't want to play for Kerr
04:18again.
04:18So Kerr wouldn't be here.
04:20Is Draymond not here either?
04:21Because I don't think Kevin Durant and Draymond really, you know, were having fun on the court together either at
04:26the end.
04:27Draymond, I mean, did you hear the podcast yesterday?
04:29I did hear the podcast yesterday.
04:31Can you play the sound where he was bringing up, Kerr?
04:33I don't know what to make of their relationship, Kerr and Draymond right now.
04:38I don't, does Draymond know that Kerr maybe isn't coming back or is coming back and Draymond's out the door?
04:46I don't know what to read here.
04:48All right, so let's set the stage here.
04:49So Steve Kerr had an interview with The New Yorker earlier this week.
04:52We are.
04:52It was a very expansive interview.
04:55Talks about Kerr's backstory, his upbringing, growing up, living in Beirut, his time with the Bulls, blah, blah, blah.
05:02Also, there's stuff about Steph and Draymond.
05:06And Steve was asked, you know, do you think Draymond could be a coach?
05:10And Steve said to the effect of, no, I don't think so because Draymond doesn't have the patience for it.
05:14Which, yeah, you don't really have to twist my arm into believing that one.
05:19And that's him and I disagree on that.
05:22You think Draymond could be a coach?
05:23Absolutely.
05:23I think he has the intelligence to be the coach.
05:26He has the basketball savvy to be a coach.
05:28But, Joe, I also think there's a reason why you don't see a lot of, like, Hall of Fame players
05:33or guys who are really, really talented becoming coaches.
05:36Because I think there is a level of just, like, the game becomes so easy for them.
05:41And then they struggle with guys who the game doesn't come as easy for them.
05:44Draymond's a very unique superstar in the sense that he's not a bucket getter.
05:50All the guys you're referencing, for the most part, are bucket getters.
05:53I think he views the game significantly different than normal bucket getter superstars that you're, like, addressing.
06:02Also, like, Ime Udoka is not patient, but he's a very good coach.
06:06Yeah.
06:06Yeah, there's a – I could – whatever the sport is, I could find a gazillion impatient coaches that are
06:14wildly – you think Kyle Shanahan's patient?
06:17You think Kyle Shanahan's patient?
06:18I think he's got some semblance of patience in just a different way.
06:23Really?
06:24With some players more than others.
06:26Isaac Arendo didn't even see the field.
06:28Well, Isaac Arendo also –
06:29Okay, I'm just using him as an example.
06:30Like, no, like, when he's done with you, he's done with you.
06:32The best, I think, test of Kyle Shanahan's patience has been Brandon Iyuk, probably.
06:37And that's been –
06:38What?
06:40Well, you'd think it has been.
06:41He's been in and out of the doghouse multiple times.
06:43He still tried to run with him at times.
06:45We're not going to see Iyuk.
06:46He got –
06:46And I think his patience ran out.
06:48Billy Martin wasn't patient.
06:50I mean, you can just go right down the list.
06:52Like, for every bocce, there are –
06:54You know, and there's probably five bocces to every one impatient guy.
06:58There's a ton of impatient coaches in the league.
07:00Yeah, I disagree with that, but keep going.
07:02Okay, well, again, Steve Kerr's take was he thinks that Draymond Green is not patient enough to be a coach.
07:07I kind of see where Kerr's coming from on that.
07:10I just think the way he just gets so loud –
07:13He just loses his mind on the sidelines way too often.
07:15And it's just one of those things that –
07:16I don't know if that really plays as a head coach.
07:19Is Thibodeau, like, patient?
07:21Well, yeah, but I don't think he's kind of like –
07:23I don't know if I see the guy who's just yelling and screaming at players and coaches on the sideline.
07:27The way he – you know, Draymond Green once chewed out Kevin Durant, the guy who started fights in practice.
07:31You're going, like, crazy over-the-top, Draymond.
07:34Anyway, but I think he could coach.
07:36I think we're all overrated.
07:37I'm making the – that's my theory as to why I don't know if it worked out.
07:40Got it.
07:40Anyway, Draymond Green heard that and – or read that because it's not for an audio interview.
07:47And this is what Draymond Green had to say in response to Kerr's comments that he does not believe that
07:52Draymond has the patience to be a head coach.
07:54When you've spent 14 years with someone, when you've had the runs that we've had, playing the role that I've
08:00had to play and being who I've had to be, some things like that are going to happen.
08:04Everything hasn't just been one way.
08:06You know, it hasn't just been like, oh, man, Draymond did this.
08:09Steve's mad.
08:09I don't take that any way at all.
08:11You know, speaking of this December thing, you know, I spoke to him after that, and it was like, I
08:15don't think you like me.
08:16I don't think you've ever liked me, if I'm honest.
08:18Like, he cried.
08:19Like, really?
08:21Steve Kerr never liked Draymond Green?
08:24December blowup that he's talking about was back in December.
08:26There was, you know, cameras caught Kerr and Draymond yelling at each other at the sidelines.
08:30I think Draymond stomped off to the locker room after that.
08:33That it was addressed.
08:34They moved on from it.
08:36But to say that he doesn't like you, that seems like a, like, Joe, when I was a kid growing
08:41up, my parents would get mad at me.
08:42They'd yell at me and stuff like that.
08:44And, like, it feels in the moment when you're, like, nine years old, oh, my parents ate me.
08:48They don't.
08:49They yell at you because they love you and that you care.
08:51But, like, if I see Steve Kerr going hard on Draymond Green, that's not a case of Draymond, I don't
08:57like you.
08:57That's a case of Draymond, that's your coach.
08:59It's his job to do that.
09:00But I can't imagine the type of history that they have that we don't know about behind the scenes.
09:06Good and bad.
09:06I don't mean all bad.
09:07I mean, good and bad.
09:09You know, you never liked me.
09:11Like, I mean, that just seems ridiculous.
09:13Come on, Draymond.
09:14I mean, Joe, if we're being real, that little December blow up, that wasn't even the most, like, insane blow
09:19up those two have had.
09:20We all know about the famous game during the OKC game, the bang-bang game that Steph won, where both
09:26sides had to be kind of held back in the locker room.
09:29Like, was it security had to get called in or something at one point in that game?
09:34You know what game I'm talking about, right?
09:35Yeah, the one I'm talking about.
09:36I'm just thinking about Draymond.
09:37Like, what world does he live in?
09:40I don't see how you can glean from...
09:42I don't think you've ever liked me.
09:44What?
09:44He's had your back forever.
09:46I mean, this is...
09:47Those guys...
09:48Publicly?
09:48Privately?
09:49Like, what?
09:50For 14 years, those guys have been together.
09:52They've been through everything together.
09:54And like any family, you're going to have fights and stuff like that.
09:56Sure.
09:57That doesn't mean you guys hate each other.
09:59I don't know how Draymond gets to that either.
10:02Like, how could you say that Steve Kerr doesn't like you?
10:06Can you play more of this stuff?
10:07I know there was more of that sentence.
10:10I saw this clip online, and I was just like...
10:12I shook my head.
10:13I don't even know...
10:15Oh, well, if you think Draymond thinking that Steve Kerr didn't like him was crazy,
10:19here's what else...
10:21You don't like me.
10:22We all agree.
10:23Oh, that's...
10:23It gets even...
10:24It doesn't even make sense.
10:26It gets even deeper.
10:27I almost like don't even want to acknowledge it sounds crazy.
10:29Well, hear this.
10:30As much as he's done for me in basketball,
10:32a part of me think he's hindered me in my career and what I could have become.
10:35When KD came from 2016 on, I have not had a play in our playbook.
10:40Not a single play that we run for me in our playbook.
10:43This is 2016.
10:44But if you're going to take one gripe and not be able to move past it for all the other
10:49things,
10:50then you're shallow as a person.
10:51That says more about you as a person than it does about Steve or whoever else in that instant.
10:56You got to take the good with the bad, man.
10:59So...
11:00Okay.
11:00Who's taking the good?
11:01Like, who needs to take the good with the bad here, though?
11:03Like, you're coming at Steve Kerr saying you got to take the good with the bad.
11:06Don't you need to take the good with the bad with Steve Kerr if you're Draymond Green as well?
11:10Hindering his game?
11:13I mean, let's not...
11:14Steve Kerr is the one having him, you know, miss middies.
11:17Steve Kerr is the one who's, like, telling him not to shoot that he's told him to shoot.
11:23Now, Luke Walton might have empowered him more.
11:26And I've always had this theory that after the 2016 finals, he played great in the Game 7,
11:32but he hurt his shoulder that year, and then he hurt it again the following year.
11:36His literal shot was never the same.
11:40It's always been a little funky.
11:42What about, like, taking culpability of your own career and your own offensive repertoire?
11:47What area of his offensive repertoire has he added since 2016-17 on his own?
11:54Well, I always look at that, the last year, the 19-20 season when Steph and Klay were out.
11:59If there was ever a year for Draymond to evolve his offensive game, that was the year to do it.
12:04What element of his game has progressed since 2016-17 offensively?
12:10I don't think any element of his game offensively since then.
12:15That's not on the coach.
12:16Every year, what does Steph Curry try to do?
12:18He tried to add, you know, a layup package.
12:21He's tried to add various, you know, ball-handling-specific moves.
12:26I mean, remember the one year he came back with the hardened double-jump-step-back thing, right?
12:30Like, all the greatest players, and all even good players, want to add elements to their game every offseason
12:38or every couple of years, you want to see some developmental growth.
12:42That's not on the coach.
12:45Individual development programs are not on the coach.
12:48That is on the individual and the player.
12:50Coach is out here trying to win games.
12:52Now, I will listen to, like, him probably saying some effect of,
12:59dude, you got Klay and Kevin Durant and Steph out on the floor like,
13:01yeah, yeah, I don't necessarily want you taking a lot of shots.
13:05But that hasn't been the case for seven years.
13:07No, and again, I bring up that 19-20 season because if there was ever a time for Draymond
13:12to have expanded his offensive game, that was the time to do it.
13:15In a lost year where the stakes are a lot lower, you have the time to kind of work out
13:19any new offensive kinks to your game because, again, you knew Steph and Klay
13:22were going to come back at some point.
13:24He decided not to do it.
13:25He even said that he had a tough time getting up that year because Steph and Klay weren't playing.
13:30So that's, again, also on the player there.
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13:43Can you play that clip again?
13:44I just want to hear the hindering.
13:46He's hindered my, in a way, he's hindered.
13:48I was like, yeah, play it again.
13:51As much as he's done for me in basketball, a part of me think he's hindered me in my career
13:55and what I could have become.
13:57When KD came from 2016 on, I have not had a play in our playbook.
14:01Not a single play that we run for me in our playbook.
14:04This is 2016.
14:05But if you're going to take one gripe and not be able to move past it for all the other
14:10things,
14:11then you're shallow as a person.
14:12That says more about you as a person than it does about Steve or whoever else in that instance.
14:17You got to take the good with the bad, man.
14:18Why is he just the lashing out there?
14:21Does anyone, let's just peel this back.
14:23Does anyone think that they haven't run one play for Draymond Green since 2016?
14:28Does anyone think that?
14:31I don't know if you've watched the Warriors.
14:33They don't necessarily run plays.
14:36They run motion offense.
14:37They run sets.
14:38They run a system.
14:38It's a system.
14:39I would argue that the fake handoff is his play.
14:43Yeah, because you think that just came out of nowhere?
14:45Kerr definitely said to him, like, this is part of the set.
14:48If Curry's not, you know, being face guarded.
14:51Exactly.
14:51Like, I don't know.
14:52Their whole entire offense is if the defense does this, you do this.
14:57If they show this, you do that.
14:59If they go left, you go right.
15:01Like, that's their whole offense is predicated on movement and motion.
15:05And there's a variety of options based on where you're dribbling, where the guy's standing,
15:10who's coming off what screen.
15:13That is bizarre.
15:14So I don't buy that they haven't run a play for him.
15:16That's number one.
15:17Yeah.
15:18The other part is he goes, you're shallow as a person.
15:22So now we're taking feelings and, like, the coach and the feelings, I would say, you
15:29know, Steve's done a pretty good job separating feelings from basketball X's and O's.
15:35I don't.
15:36When you say separating the feelings, like, he's made everything you said about Drummond
15:39purely about what happens on the court and not making about whatever happens off the
15:43court.
15:43Is that kind of what you mean by that?
15:45I mean, how many times?
15:46Yeah.
15:47Like, like, almost like he's spiteful.
15:48Like, yeah.
15:49Because that felt, that's my, what other interpretation am I supposed to have?
15:53Yeah.
15:53No, like, that felt like a personal attack there from Drummond.
15:56Like, you're angry about what he said about the coach, about he didn't think that you
16:00could be a great coach.
16:01And now you're taking it personal and you're lashing out saying, now you're being shallow.
16:05Is he, is he short-circuiting, Sam?
16:07Like, I'm talking about Drummond.
16:08Is he, are we watching someone short-circuiting on air because his status on the team is up
16:14in the air because the coach who I believe has defended him as much as anyone has.
16:20Oh, absolutely.
16:21Is up in the air.
16:22Like, I think he's kind of in the same situation that I think maybe you're in right now and
16:26that you don't know what maybe is the best move forward for the Warriors and what you
16:30want for the Warriors to move forward.
16:33I kind of wonder if he's kind of, uh, feeling in that same, same boat here of he doesn't
16:38know what he wants in terms of where he wants his organization to go.
16:42Does he want this team to bring back Steve Kerr or does he want to move on from Steve
16:46Kerr?
16:46Because Joe, here's what he said, you know, towards the end of the season about Steve Kerr.
16:51Like he said that the reason that he and Steph have confidence is partly because of Steve
16:56Kerr.
16:56When you talk about the confidence that, and the chemistry that Steph Curry and myself
17:01have in these situations, a large piece of that is we know the guy over there going
17:06to make all the right calls.
17:07So we're going into this situation knowing that we're going to have a better game plan
17:11than the opposing team.
17:12Can we execute it?
17:13It's up to us.
17:14But we know our game plan is going to be better.
17:16We know our coach is going to have the utmost trust in us and we're going to have the utmost
17:19trust in him.
17:21And so, again, I see what everybody say about the rotations and all of this stuff.
17:26And I think what people, what most people don't understand is Steve Kerr is a nine-time
17:30champion.
17:31I'm a four-time champion.
17:32Steve Kerr is a nine-time champion.
17:34As a four-time champion, I can very openly and honestly tell you some games, it's just
17:40hard to get up for.
17:42Like you go through certain games and it's really hard to get up for those games.
17:46I can only imagine what that feels like for a nine-time champion.
17:50But that don't mean you checked out.
17:53That don't mean you can't do the job.
17:55That just means when the stakes is at its highest, I'm going to be at my best.
17:59And that is Steve Kerr.
18:00So I was Draymond Green on the Draymond Green show the morning of the Suns play-in game
18:06that the Warriors eventually lost.
18:08To go from, I feel confident because of Steve Kerr because he's going to put us in the
18:12right position.
18:13Now all of a sudden, he's hindered my career, never called a play for me, and he's shallow.
18:19That almost kind of feels like if someone wants to leave you, but you're like, no, I'm going
18:24to leave you first.
18:26Because I want you gone before you can say it to me.
18:28That's almost what it sounds like.
18:30That's a good point.
18:31Like it's just, I'm going to take my ball and go home now before you can take your ball
18:34and go home.
18:35So that way I can say the one, I can be the one who said it was over.
18:38I mean, how many coaches in the history of the game would have reverted back to David
18:41Lee?
18:43Oh, that's the first thing I thought about when he said that he hindered my career.
18:47It's like, Draymond, he made your career.
18:49No, no, no, he didn't make it, but he helped give it an opportunity.
18:53He helped flourish it.
18:54See, I would, I would.
18:54He didn't make it, but because you got to give Draymond credit.
18:57I got to give the players credit.
18:58Well, yeah, I get, let me rephrase that.
19:00Okay, I apologize.
19:00I don't mean to get cut into the words.
19:02No, no, no, no.
19:02Like I say that he made your career because he made the decision, Steve Kerr did, to keep you
19:06in the lineup over David Lee.
19:08And then you, Draymond, had that opportunity to seize that starting spot and run with it
19:14to an incredible Hall of Fame career where Steve Kerr mentioned in that same interview
19:20that Draymond's the best defender he's ever seen.
19:22This is a guy who played with Dennis Rodman and Horace Grant, among others, other great,
19:26you know, defenders from back on those great Bulls teams.
19:28And he called Draymond Green the best defensive player he has ever seen.
19:33But Draymond still finds a way to take exception to it.
19:35The other thing I thought about when Draymond Green says, you know, oh, Steve Kerr has never
19:40called a play for me.
19:43I remember when he said this on the Barbershop podcast that I think Tom Brady did it years
19:49ago.
19:49Could you imagine Tom Brady, like, airing out beef like this?
19:54Bill Belichick hindered my career.
19:55I mean, you got to have onus on your own career.
19:58Here's what Draymond said.
20:00This is back in 2021 when Draymond Green said this.
20:03It's also interesting to always recognize when you're not good at something, right?
20:07And someone else in your orbit is like, let me let them do that and let this person do
20:12that.
20:12Because that's a real sign of a leader, I think, is being able to deputize.
20:16That's why there's a lot of unsuccessful people and a lot of dumb ass.
20:20You can tell by the criticism that comes to you or the criticism that comes to you.
20:24I found that solace in that over the last couple of years.
20:27And just like listening to people and what they say and the criticism and actually show
20:32you how stupid people are through their criticism.
20:35For instance, people will say, Draymond, you should shoot.
20:38But if I can get Steph Curry to ball for a shot, why would I shoot?
20:41You should never shoot.
20:42You're actually the idiot.
20:45We're thinking I should shoot because I can get him the shot.
20:48And if he's half open, it's better than anyone else in the world.
20:52If he's half open.
20:53First, those other voices you're hearing was Chelsea Handler at the beginning.
20:56That other voice you heard in the background was that of Tom Brady saying you don't need
20:59to shoot like that's Draymond Green admitting in 2021 that the reason he does not shoot the
21:06ball is because he has Steph Curry on his team.
21:08But then you're out here complaining that Steve Curry never draws up plays for you when
21:12you yourself, Draymond Green, have admitted that it's better for Steph to be taking shots
21:18when he's covered than you when you're wide open.
21:22How am I supposed to take what you say seriously here?
21:25As much as he's done for me in basketball, a part of me think he's hindered me in my career
21:29and what I could have become when KD came.
21:32And then we're supposed to take you seriously when you've said in the past that you pass
21:35up shots because you have Steph.
21:38I can't take it seriously.
21:39How many games have we all been watching like, Draymond, turn around and square up to the
21:44hoop?
21:45Joe, you blow up our phones at least a couple times a game because of Draymond Green not
21:49turning around and taking a shot.
21:51He's refusing to square up to the basket.
21:54I just think he's a walking contradiction right now.
21:56No, he absolutely is.
21:58Like on every level.
21:59I don't understand what his gripe is.
22:01Does he know that Steve Kerr's out the door?
22:03Does he know that he's out the door?
22:05Is he sending a message to Joe Lacop?
22:07Is he sending a message to Steph?
22:09Is he just having a meltdown?
22:11I just, I don't even know what to make of that.
22:15I mean, this is a guy who literally it sounded like when he was on the podium, kind of down
22:18the stretch of the season where he was almost kind of begging Steve Kerr to come back because
22:22it's true he was.
22:24No, literally because there was a sense that like the only way, Draymond, that you're going
22:27to have a role on this team next year or stay with the Warriors is if Steve Kerr is
22:31back next year.
22:32I mean, he was all up in his feelings, Draymond Green, during the trade deadline when presented
22:37with the belief or the reality that he could be playing basketball for a different team
22:43to end his career.
22:44He was completely shook over that.
22:46And I think he kind of saw the tea leaves at the end.
22:49If Kerr goes, my future all of a sudden is up in the air and he doesn't want that.
22:54Now, all of a sudden, the tea leaves are showing that maybe Steve Kerr is moving on
22:57and it's almost like he's doing these mental gymnastics to separate himself from Steve Kerr
23:02to, I guess, maybe make the separation easier for himself.
23:05I don't know, I'm recklessly speculating on what Draymond's thinking right now.
23:10So this is just outside looking in what I'm seeing.
23:14He strikes me as someone who has always got to have a gripe to fuel him, which I get.
23:21Well, yeah, he has all people that get it.
23:22I get it.
23:23Yeah, no, I honestly, I remember he always has an axe to grind.
23:26In 2016, I want to say I was reading this ESPN story that had this big profile on him.
23:32And in the story, there's a part where it says, like, he always likes to sleep with SportsCenter on
23:36with, like, the volume really high because he wants to listen in case someone has to say something about him
23:42so he can use that to fuel him on the court.
23:44And I always thought, like, that's kind of crazy.
23:47But then I also read that, you know, then I watched The Last Dance
23:49and Michael Jordan would make things up about what people would say.
23:52And be like, yeah, this guy said I suck.
23:54He's like, I never said that.
23:55Well, in my mind, you said that.
23:57And so maybe that is kind of what Draymond Green's doing here.
24:01Let's keep this conversation going on the other side.
24:03888-957-9570.
24:05We're your fans.
24:05Draymond Green said that Steve Kerr hindered his career.
24:08What's your reaction to that?
24:09And also, on the other side, this meeting that Kerr took with the Warriors brass,
24:15the fact they can't get it done after one session and come to an agreement,
24:20there's a part of me to wonder, what do you make of that?
24:22And are these two sides even a fit for each other?
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