00:00Friends, Ken Carvin here alongside Anthony Lima. Welcome on in back to the show. Hi.
00:04I'm worried about Munkin's voice.
00:06I'm not. That's just how he talks.
00:08It just seems like it's not sustainable.
00:11Like, how are they going to hear him during a game on the sidelines?
00:14You remember J.B. Bickerstaff, somehow they heard him.
00:16You know what? You're exactly right.
00:18And I remember covering a Jim O'Brien at Ohio State whose throat was so bad he had to get
00:22surgery.
00:23Closed arena.
00:26We needed to hear Todd Munkin about the picks because, I'm sorry, I erase the phrases and everything.
00:33Like, I like Andrew as a person, all that stuff.
00:35I mean, the string is out on the trust that he has with the fans or lack thereof, I should
00:40say, anymore.
00:42And this was going to be a draft.
00:44If you didn't go textbook of what the majority of the fan base wanted, they were going to grill him
00:49for.
00:50And there have been some people who are definitely, they're listening to the calls and they're being defensive of KC
00:55Concepcion.
00:56I love that.
00:58It's hard for me to rip.
01:00I can't.
01:02Unless the guy's a total idiot, I can't sit there and rip guys in the first round that I think
01:09are high-character guys, I think are very fast.
01:12I just worry about the drops with KC Concepcion.
01:14That's it.
01:15And if he ends up catching the passes, I think you got yourself a fine player.
01:18I think you do.
01:19I think he's going to be a hard worker for you, and I think he's going to do all those
01:21things.
01:22When it comes to Spencer Feneau, speaking of hard work, the comparison to Jed Wills, it's got to stop.
01:31It's got to stop.
01:37He might be great switching from right tackle to left tackle.
01:41He might be bad.
01:42It ain't going to be for the same reasons it was for Jed Wills.
01:45Do I have to go further, or do I need to go further, or can people read between the lines?
01:50I'll go further if you want me to.
01:51Well, is that all anybody's going to do?
01:52I just don't want to sit here and say the quiet part out loud, but maybe I have to say
01:57the quiet part out loud to make sure everybody knows.
01:58But is that all we're going to do for the people who are anti, and they're always going to be
02:04skewed to the negative?
02:05Is that all they're going to do is compare every Browns draft pick to the worst version of the draft
02:10pick?
02:11I'm just going to say it.
02:11Because that's easy to do.
02:12We can do that all day long.
02:13I'll say for both these guys, and I'll look right into the camera and do it.
02:16KC Concepcion is not going to be a goofball like Corey Coleman was, okay?
02:20Do we got that drift all right?
02:22KC Concepcion is going to work, and he's going to do his damnedest to go out there and be a
02:26good wide receiver for this football team.
02:28He's not going to sit there and blame all his coaches and be upset about playing time when he couldn't
02:32catch the damn football, okay?
02:34That's not going to happen.
02:35When it comes to Spencer Flano, all right, I'll just come out and say it.
02:38He is not going to be the same type of player as Jed Wills.
02:43Because he'll actually try.
02:45Whoa.
02:46I'm sorry.
02:48I'm sorry.
02:50I'm not going to talk about toughness or anything like that.
02:53I think one guy got down on himself, and I think he just gave up.
02:57But how long before that materialized?
02:59And I don't think Spencer Flano is going to just give up.
03:00How long?
03:01Like, we weren't saying that on draft night.
03:03Obviously, we weren't saying that those years.
03:06But if we're making the comparison, we can only go by comps of what we have, right?
03:10So, we can make comps of KC Concepcion, of different players that have worked out.
03:16But people always go back to the players that they have.
03:18And if I'm getting Corey Coleman or Anthony Schwartz 2.0, no.
03:22No, I don't think he's going to short arm.
03:24He doesn't short arm it.
03:26He does an alligator.
03:27Anthony Schwartz, I think, was afraid to catch the football at times because I thought he thought he was going
03:31to get killed going over the middle or going over a slant or going anywhere.
03:34Because he wasn't a real wide receiver.
03:36But who took Anthony Schwartz?
03:39Who took Anthony Schwartz?
03:40He was a third-round pick.
03:41Not a first-round pick.
03:42But who took Anthony Schwartz?
03:43But that's the difference.
03:43That's the only thing they have in common.
03:46They both were technically wide receivers, and they were taken by Andrew Barry.
03:50That's where the line ends.
03:51With Corey Coleman, I don't think that KC Concepcion is going to find himself with the same problems anywhere near
03:57the same problems as Corey Coleman.
03:59From everything that I've been told here throughout the entire draft process, by the way, not just last night over
04:04in Berea.
04:05And the same thing can be said with Spencer Fano, okay?
04:07I don't like to say these things.
04:09I understand what I look like.
04:11I understand that there's a lot of things there where it's like, well, you know, you're talking about other guys'
04:14physical prowls and how hard they're willing to work.
04:16Look at you, you fat pig.
04:18I got that.
04:19Trust me.
04:19I'm not trying to even be self-deprecating.
04:21I understand there is something really, really wild and rich about a sports talk radio show host talking about guys
04:28not working hard enough.
04:29I got that.
04:30But I'm just going to tell you guys right now, if Spencer Fano doesn't work out well, it's going to
04:34be because of a couple of different reasons, maybe with injury.
04:38God forbid.
04:39Can't really go towards that.
04:41It's going to be maybe he can't really get his feet from right to left.
04:44But, damn it, it's not going to be for the same reasons as Jed Wills.
04:47So get the Jed Wills stuff out of our heads, guys.
04:49Or we're just going to be miserable, miserable, miserable people.
04:53I get it.
04:55And the only thing that those guys have in common is that they will be switching from right to left,
05:00and yes, that Andrew Barry took him.
05:02And that's why we need more Todd Munkin.
05:04Because people are more willing to trust Todd Munkin than they are going to be.
05:08Actually, that's a hell of a point you just made.
05:12It's not enough Munkin to talk about these first-round picks.
05:14You can have more Munkin as long as you don't have too much Munkin.
05:18You know what?
05:19I think Kev's okay with too much Munkin today.
05:21I think my cup will runneth over with Todd Munkin after the interview we had last night.
05:25Because, oh boy.
05:27But I'm an easy pigeon.
05:29Well, then you have not enough Munkin.
05:30I'm an easy pigeon.
05:32Keep the Munkin coming is what he's saying.
05:34Let's get that Matt Harmon ready.
05:35Maybe he will make some people feel a lot better about KC Concepcion here as we get ready for day
05:42two of the draft.
05:43But we go over night one of the draft.
05:44So, I just had to get that off my chest.
05:46I've been waiting an hour to do it.
05:47It feels good to get that off my chest.
05:49Here's Matt Harmon on KC Concepcion.
05:51Oh, never mind.
05:52That's not Matt Harmon on KC Concepcion.
05:54Nicely produced, John.
05:55Let's go right to the Bay Area.
05:57And Maurice in the Bay Area.
05:59Good morning.
06:03Maurice.
06:04Maurice.
06:06Okay, he's talking through a phone.
06:08I don't know what the hell's going on.
06:11Do you agree with me about all this?
06:13Because now I can't trust anything right now.
06:15I'm going to hold off.
06:16It's so easy at any time to just compare the guys you take.
06:20You know, that is the difference between Cleveland and probably some other markets where, you know, the drafts have not
06:24been pretty for so many years.
06:26That's not just an Andrew Barry thing.
06:27You know, that's how you have a bad football team almost my entire life is because the drafts.
06:34The drafts is always, it's not free agency.
06:36It's not like trades and free agency is how you build your teams in the NFL.
06:40It's always going to be through the draft.
06:42That's why Andrew Barry took a huge step forward.
06:45And come on, trust me.
06:46As somebody who is as down on Andrew Barry over the years as I was, last year was absolutely mandatory
06:52for him to be able to save his job
06:55and to take good football players who the rest of the league, this wasn't just a, oh, you guys have
07:01browns-tinted glasses on this.
07:03No, the rest of the NFL was like, yeah, Andrew Barry knocked last year out of the park.
07:07But it doesn't give you.
07:08May have had the best draft overall.
07:09But you still didn't win a lot of games, and that's what matters.
07:12I think so many people are tired of hearing about where the games are won or where things are won
07:17off the field and not won on the field.
07:20So the trust with Andrew Barry, notice, guys, I'm saying great things about Spencer Fano.
07:25I'm saying some really nice things about KC Concepcion as players, as people, those type of things.
07:31What's done is done with Andrew Barry.
07:32He's just got to earn it.
07:34And the only way he's going to be able to earn it is if they actually go out and win
07:37on Sundays this coming fall.
07:39And then you can put it on Kevin Stefanski.
07:41Do we have the Matt Harmon now?
07:42Please, for the love of God, audio courtesy of Yahoo Sports.
07:46He is without a doubt, in my opinion, the best separator and the best route runner in this year's class.
07:52From an all-three-levels perspective, this guy smokes man-press coverage.
07:5792nd percentile success rate versus man coverage in reception perception.
08:00Like, he's the best man-press beater in this class, despite the fact that he's 5'11", 190.
08:05Like, he blows past guys.
08:06And I know the hands are a question, right?
08:08The drop rate is too high.
08:10There's no question it's too high.
08:11It is an issue.
08:12It has to get fixed.
08:13I think it can get fixed because you see guys sometimes who have, they fight the football and they can't
08:18make the high degree of difficulty catches.
08:21And honestly, this is something that I think irritates fans more often than not, is that you see this guy
08:26make high degree of difficulty catches.
08:28Like, they're on film where he goes up and attacks the football and makes plays above the rims.
08:32Above the rim.
08:32But at times, he's thinking about catching it before, not thinking about securing it and catching it before he's making
08:38yards after catching.
08:39Can you teach that?
08:40Yeah, so I think you can teach it.
08:42Drops, like, we talk about them a lot, but they're not a sticky stat year to year.
08:46And usually, if you're dropping the football a lot, it means you've been thrown the football a lot.
08:50It means you're getting open a lot.
08:52And this guy does get open.
08:53So I think it's much harder to find someone who can create separation on their own, not schemed, than it
09:00is to find somebody who we just need to fix his catch technique.
09:03And he does need to fix it.
09:04Like, he claps at the football too much.
09:05You can clean that stuff up, though.
09:07So that is something I do think we've seen over the years that can get corrected.
09:10That's very nice to hear.
09:11Matt Harmon from Yahoo Sports.
09:13Got to hear a lot more of that.
09:14Claps at the football.
09:14Got to hear a lot more of that because that's some very nice stuff right there.
09:172-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
09:20Gio in Cleveland.
09:21Hello, Gio.
09:22Good morning, guys.
09:23How are you?
09:24Doing well.
09:24Doing well.
09:25Gio, go right on ahead.
09:27I actually can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'm going to agree with Lima and kind of jump
09:30on his train a little bit.
09:32But, like, I don't really understand, to me, the whole right tackle to left tackle.
09:38I mean, I understand it, but, like, I think it was Jeff Saturday that was said about this pick that
09:42that's like asking a quarterback that throws right-handed to come in and play left-handed.
09:47He goes, how are you expecting a guy to come in at this level, at this level, meaning professional football,
09:54yes, they're athletic.
09:55They're all freaks.
09:55I mean, at this point, they're all running 4-4, 4-5.
09:58But I don't understand why do we always do that as the Browns.
10:01Don't get me wrong.
10:01I like the fan opaque if he plays right tackle.
10:04But asking a guy at that pick level, at number nine, to say, okay, now go play left tackle when
10:10you've never played left tackle.
10:11Okay, maybe you've played three games at left tackle.
10:12But at the highest level of sports, I just don't understand why Andrew Barry always does that.
10:18And the same thing, I can't wait until the Shador Sanders-KC Concepcion rap video comes out.
10:24If you haven't heard a chance, take a look online and see the KC Concepcion rap.
10:28I think it's pretty cool.
10:29But I don't know.
10:29Somebody help me explain the whole, why in the NFL you mean to tell me that there's not one stud?
10:35All right, let's go piece by piece.
10:37Let's go piece by piece, right?
10:39First off, it's not a great draft.
10:41We can only go year by year.
10:42I mean, there's not going to be a Joe in this draft, right?
10:45Okay, were you cool with Mark going down from six to nine?
10:49I don't.
10:50It didn't bother me.
10:51Okay, didn't bother you.
10:52Okay.
10:52So at nine, if you know, everybody should be celebrating that they got anything to move down three spots.
10:58Well, I don't want to celebrate because you still didn't get great value, but I'm happy that you got something
11:02out of it.
11:03And that shows you how bad of a draft it was that you weren't going to get typical value from
11:07moving down from six to nine.
11:09So, Gio, okay, say you had to take a tackle.
11:11Who were you taking at nine?
11:13Because he was the first tackle off the board.
11:15I wouldn't have taken a tackle that high.
11:17I just wouldn't have.
11:18Okay, but they were.
11:19They were.
11:20They were taking an offensive lineman.
11:21That became abundantly clear over the last 48 hours before the draft.
11:25So I think what's that saying?
11:26If at that level you're drafting by need, you're already losing.
11:29So then at that point, what was the kid from Strongsville that was going up to tackle?
11:33That was Blake Miller.
11:34He ended up going at 17.
11:35He now selling the home in Strongsville.
11:37That was one thing I was a little concerned about.
11:39Oh, that's well done.
11:40Yeah, I heard he joined the Bay Village men's club as well.
11:44Okay, so you just – if you didn't want an offensive lineman, Gio, I can't sell you on it.
11:49Thank you very much for the call.
11:50I can't do it.
11:51But they had the pick of the litter.
11:53They took their first tackle, and he's actually the highest-ranked tackle by a lot of people that I had
11:58talked to
11:58or a lot of people that I had, and he's even here on the sheet.
12:01He has experience because if you were going to take a left tackle, if you just wanted a pure left
12:05tackle,
12:06Monroe Freeling wasn't going to really set anybody's soul on fire, and neither was Caden Proctor.
12:10So if neither of the pure, quote-unquote, pure left tackles were going to set your soul on fire,
12:15you could have tried to move back even further, and maybe they might have.
12:18I wondered about that.
12:20I did.
12:21And that's a possibility.
12:22Or you take a guy who's the best, and you think that he's – or the best of all of
12:26them,
12:26and you think that he's going to be able to give you the best chance to move from there.
12:30Because I don't want to just take a pure left – if we're so set on taking an offensive lineman
12:34to that spot,
12:34I don't want to just take a pure left tackle to take a left tackle.
12:37Okay?
12:38Now, if Spencer Fano ends up being terrible and other guys end up helping, then, yeah,
12:42I can't sit there and scream at Gio.
12:44But I do see the rationale from going from 6 to 9 and taking Spencer Fano,
12:49especially because, hey, I want a Cardinal Tate.
12:51He was already off the board.
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