00:00Did you want to say something to Kyle Yeomans?
00:02I just wanted to say I love you, Kyle, but I can't believe that you guys had to book Kyle
00:05Yeomans when I'm right here.
00:06Yeah, well, you said you needed two days advance.
00:09Yeah, you could have asked me 48 hours ago.
00:11We did ask Kyle 48 hours ago.
00:13I just wanted to tell Kyle I love you. Go mean green, I miss you.
00:16All right.
00:17Miss you too, buddy.
00:18Okay, there is a...
00:19He told you to go F yourself.
00:20He did not. That's not how he talks.
00:22Zach walked away. He doesn't know.
00:24It is Kyle Yeomans from DallasCowboys.com.
00:28Kyle Yeomans.
00:28I do believe he will be the point man for your broadcast coverage of the Cowboys draft and the draft
00:34this year.
00:34Kyle, how are we doing today, man?
00:37I'm doing great.
00:38Yeah, Zach and myself, we're both going to host at different times, but yeah, pumped to get on the coverage
00:45next week.
00:46I did not reply to that message, Corey, and I apologize for not doing so,
00:51but the reason why I did not reply is because I immediately clicked the link and I read the whole
00:56article.
00:57So if you want to talk about it, I'm ready and I have quite strong opinions on why it's happening.
01:03All right.
01:03However, I did read the article and that's why I didn't respond.
01:08See?
01:08Because I got so intertwined with the article that I just forgot to go back with it.
01:14Then I have constructed the perfect question for you, Kyle.
01:17Kyle, what is more of a concern for you at this moment, the Apes Civil War or the Cowboys taking
01:23Keldrick Falk at pick number 12?
01:25What is more concerning in your world at this moment?
01:28You know, that's a phenomenal question.
01:32And it's because there are so many layers to it.
01:36I'm going to say the Apes Civil War.
01:39I don't think they're going to take Keldrick Falk at 12.
01:42I don't think there's really any interest there.
01:45So I'll – and that's how confident I am in that.
01:49And so if that's the case, then I'm saying, yeah, the Apes Civil War is definitely far more concerning.
01:54Which one of the reasons for this violence, though, between the apes do you think is –
02:00So what's the story?
02:01Lay it out for me.
02:02Okay, all right.
02:03There's some – and the Nagogo chimps, Kevin, have started fighting.
02:07And there are a couple of different factors that could be going on here.
02:10One, scarce food and competition amongst each other, right?
02:14There used to be a lot of food in the forest.
02:16Now, not so much.
02:17The other is that they have grown too large, according to a University of Michigan study.
02:22Like large in terms of actual size?
02:24Too many people.
02:25Or too many chimps, if you will.
02:26So too many chimps, and now there's – you can't keep it all together when you have that many.
02:30And then there's another theory that about five males died.
02:35And then that has now – they were critical peace brokers in all of this.
02:40And so there's a lot going on with this.
02:43Which one of those theories, Kyle, do you think might be the most relative?
02:47I think it's the last one.
02:49I think it's the fact that they said – the studies showed that back in 2014,
02:54there were like five elders amongst these two tribes that helped kind of bridge the gap between
03:00and were making friends between both of the groups of chimpanzees or whatever they are.
03:07And they would go from there –
03:09I think he read that article.
03:10He did.
03:10He did.
03:12But from there, it ended up – when they all passed away, it was like the younger generation took over.
03:18But then they were met with kind of the scarcity and the overpopulation and things like that.
03:23So I think it's a combination of the both.
03:25But I think the initial spark happened when those peace brokers kind of moved along.
03:29Yeah, good times can create weak chimps, Kevin.
03:32And weak chimps create hard times.
03:34So unfortunately, us as humans sometimes have the tendency to interfere where we're not needed.
03:41Is that going to happen in this situation?
03:43Because we need the apes to figure it out for themselves, right?
03:47Yeah, I think that's kind of what the study ended up saying.
03:50It didn't say it at the end of the article or anything, but it kind of said there's nothing you
03:53can do about it.
03:54But it's going to happen.
03:56They're going to just let them fight it out and see what happens and let nature kind of run its
04:00course,
04:01which is probably the best way to do it.
04:03Are you nervous at all that, you know, within the last 15 years we've had a plethora of films
04:08that show that the apes come out stronger because of this and they eventually overthrow our way of living?
04:15Nah, I'm more – at this point I'm more worried that the Cowboys would take Keldrick Falk in 12 than
04:22that.
04:22But, okay, see, this is why he had three kids, Kevin, so the humans could continue to overpopulate –
04:28I'm trying to build numbers here, right?
04:31I gotcha.
04:31There's power in numbers.
04:33All right, all right.
04:35Would Keldrick Falk be in play at 20, you think, or they just don't love that player?
04:40I think he would be more in play, but I don't think he's at the top of the list at
04:44either spot, to be completely honest.
04:45I think Keldrick Falk to me is – he's a good football player, and he's my number four edge rusher
04:52on my board.
04:54But when you look at the fit that people are trying to pigeonhole him into is the fact that he
05:01played that four-eye,
05:03five-technique spot at Auburn, and that's been a big part of the conversation this offseason with Christian Parker.
05:09He's going to need somebody that's athletic and long and has some pass rush ability to play that four-eye
05:17spot.
05:17But really, Dallas wants a bigger body there.
05:20They want somebody that's more like 290, 295, as opposed to Keldrick Falk, who listed at 276 at the NFL
05:29Combine.
05:29So he would need to put on about 15 pounds for him to be a true fit at that four
05:34-eye spot.
05:35It doesn't mean he can't do that.
05:37It just means he's not as good of a fit as people are kind of leading on to putting him
05:41in there.
05:42At the other side of things, if you wanted to move him outside, maybe make him stand up outside linebacker,
05:49edge rusher,
05:50then they would want him more like 260, 265.
05:53So he'd have to lose 10 or 15 pounds.
05:56So with all of the conversation and the rumors and the floating it out there that I've seen over the
06:02last week,
06:03I just don't know if it's as great of a fit that it's worth taking over other players that are
06:11also out there
06:11that fit you from a board standpoint and from a scheme standpoint.
06:17I think Keldrick Falk's a little bit further down their board, and I think he's a little bit outside of
06:22their scheme.
06:23It doesn't mean he's not interesting to Dallas or that Dallas wouldn't take him.
06:27I just think there are a bevy of other names before him at both 12 and 20.
06:32All right, so we've probably talked 12 and 20 as much as we possibly can overall.
06:39Everybody, again, those are two exciting picks for the Cowboys.
06:42That's going to be night one for sure.
06:44But when it comes to further – the Cowboys have further draft picks to work with here,
06:49and they need to use them all correctly with – let's look at third, their third-round pick.
06:55What kind of players do you see there that you like,
06:58and how much of an impact do you think that player needs to make that early?
07:01Because we feel like these first two picks probably need to be starters
07:04and probably need to make an impact pretty early in the season.
07:07Yeah, and you want 92 to 112 to also have that same possibility, right?
07:13Yeah.
07:13You want them to still have immediate impact.
07:16And so I think it all kind of intertwines, but there's just a big gap in the middle
07:21because you want to pick two starters at 12 and 20,
07:25but what position group gives you the best opportunity to do that at 92 and 112?
07:30I don't think they're against double-dipping at either one of those spots, right?
07:36First round, third, and fourth round.
07:38I don't think they're against double-dipping twice in the first four picks.
07:43Now, I think slot corner, the nickel spot, I think you can find a starting caliber nickel at 92.
07:50We talked about that a little bit on the draft show this week with guys like Chandler Rivers out of
07:54Duke
07:55and Keontae Scott out of Miami.
07:57I mean, there are multiple guys at 92 that might be there.
08:01Would Rivers be there?
08:03You know, I think he would be.
08:06Talking to guys like Nick Harris, he thinks he's going to go in the middle of the third.
08:10I think he could maybe stretch to that point.
08:13I had a fourth on him.
08:15So I don't know.
08:16That's maybe an optimistic side of things.
08:19But he's not the only one there either.
08:21I mentioned Scott, there are a couple other guys maybe at the outside cornerback spot that you'd feel confident in
08:29throwing him in the mix.
08:31Maybe a Malik Muhammad out of Texas.
08:34And then you go into linebacker.
08:37I don't know if they love the linebacker options in the first round or in the third round, right?
08:46And if that's the case, maybe then that's a trade conversation.
08:49Do you feel like the second round kind of gives you some good linebacker options?
08:53Because I keep telling Kevin, oh man, I wish I had a second rounder for a Jacob Rodriguez or an
08:58Anthony Hill.
08:59Yeah, absolutely.
09:01I think both of those names, you could throw C.J. Allen into the mix.
09:05I know there's kind of a question mark maybe on his knee.
09:08I know there was like a medical thing that popped up that teams were checking on.
09:12I don't have any details on that moving into it.
09:15But yeah, I think linebacker fits better in the second round than it maybe does in the third or the
09:21fourth round.
09:21Josiah Trotter out of Missouri is another name that I think Dallas would be interested in.
09:26If he was available at the back half of the third, I don't think he'll get there.
09:30I think he's a second round type of player.
09:32So, yeah, I think linebacker, the more that I go into the or get closer to the draft process,
09:41the more I don't know if they're going to come out with a linebacker.
09:44I think their linebacker plan maybe falls elsewhere, whether it's a trade or whatever it may be.
09:51I don't know if it fits their value of where they're picking unless they go and trade up to a
09:56Sonny Stiles
09:57or a Sonny Stiles falls to them.
09:59I don't know if they leave day one or day two with a linebacker in hand.
10:05Now, I do like the options at safety a little bit later.
10:09I like some options at edge rusher a little later.
10:11Guys like Romello Hyatt out of Texas Tech, Zion Young out of Missouri.
10:16I mean, those guys are great.
10:17And they could maybe fall a little bit.
10:19Keyron Crawford out of Auburn.
10:21So, there are options at those spots, but it depends on who you end up picking at 12 and 22.
10:26Okay, I asked this of Wolchuk, and I asked this of Broadus,
10:29and I screwed up by saying positional value conversation, but I'm trying to avoid that.
10:39What player solves the most problems for the Cowboys at 12?
10:44And why is it Caleb Downs?
10:48It probably is Caleb Downs.
10:50And the reason being is the Swiss army knife of Christian Parker's scheme is the nickel.
10:59And that's going to be the case.
11:01If you can play a guy there that is going to be possibly a generational type of talent at that
11:08position,
11:08because people are talking about Caleb Downs in the same light as they did about Kyle Hamilton.
11:13You take that type of player and you throw him into a spot that's highlighted so significantly in this defense,
11:22it's going to make everybody else better.
11:24It's going to make everybody else a high end,
11:28or it makes everybody else kind of fall into what they need to do in this system.
11:34So, if you throw Caleb Downs into the mix, you throw him at that safety slash nickel,
11:39then all of a sudden, and they're going to play nickel maybe 70% of the time, a 4-2
11:44-5 possibility.
11:46If that's the case, then I really like Caleb Downs in that spot.
11:51If you wanted to say a blue chip edge rusher, a David Bailey, I wouldn't disagree with you there,
11:55because if you can provide a pass rush alongside Quinnen Williams and Kenny Clark,
12:00then all of a sudden, your secondary benefits with that too, and it's less time for them to cover.
12:07So, I think those are my two names.
12:09It's Caleb Downs out of Ohio State, David Bailey out of Texas Tech.
12:12Well, I am 1 million percent there with you on Caleb Downs.
12:16He's awesome.
12:17What is your hierarchy of cornerbacks?
12:21On my board, or what do you think?
12:22On your board.
12:24Yeah, I've got Mansour Delane and Javon McCoy.
12:27Those are my two first-round guys.
12:28I have Delane first, mostly because of the injury and whatever McCoy has been going through.
12:37I still think McCoy's 2024 tape is incredible.
12:40And then I've got Colton Hood right at the top of the second round.
12:43He's my third corner.
12:45Chris Johnson follows that.
12:48Avion Terrell is right after that, and then Brandon Cisse.
12:50So, one through six there.
12:52And, I mean, Dallas has formally met with all six of those guys, Delane, McCoy, Hood, Johnson, Terrell, and Cisse.
12:59And so, if they've tipped their hand at all about where they could be looking, they're shopping the cornerback position
13:08pretty hard.
13:08Well, I think he just displayed not only your knowledge of the draft, but your versatility with your ability to
13:15sway between the Chimp Civil War and the Mock drafts and your scouting reports.
13:22Thank you very much, sir.
13:24This is why you called me instead of Zach Wolchuk, who has his own show on this station starting at
13:302 o'clock.
13:30Man, it's a long show, too, so I get you.
13:33He's got five hours worth of coverage coming up, and he would have never read that article.
13:38There's no way he would have ever done that.
13:40He would have skimmed it, but you're right.
13:42He wouldn't have had it up there, yeah, when it comes to Wolchuk.
13:45But we appreciate you, man.
13:46Thank you very much, Kyle.
13:48Yeah, I appreciate you guys.
13:49Talk to you next week.
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