00:00Todd Munkin got defensive yesterday. Mary Kay Cabot going to join us at 820. We got audio of Todd defending,
00:06defending the Browns, defending his haircut.
00:09Here is Todd Munkin in his press conference. Browns head coach.
00:13Coach's photo last week.
00:14Yeah, then why are you asking it?
00:16Sean McVay wasn't in there.
00:19Yeah, I can't comment on Sean McVay.
00:22But do you feel like you got, you know, a disproportionate amount of the bluster for that?
00:26Oh, I didn't, I really don't give a s***. I mean, it had nothing to do with me.
00:30I mean, they moved the meeting. I didn't miss it. I was just trying to get a sweet haircut.
00:33I mean, that's what I was trying to do. And then they moved the meeting.
00:36Now, you can blame that I should have been at the meeting when they moved it up and my s***
00:38would have known that's when it was.
00:40Yeah, okay, I gotcha. Was it disappointing? Bet your s*** it was disappointing.
00:43We had my whole life to be a head coach. I'm not in the head coach's picture.
00:46You'd think with AI they could have done that quickly and got me in there.
00:49But no, it's the way it is. It'll be under the bridge.
00:52And what will matter most is whether we, how we move from here and do we win or not.
00:56That ultimately, none of that will matter.
00:57The reason I ask is that there's this perception around the Browns, like, you know, what can go wrong, will
01:03go wrong.
01:03People always read the worst into what happens here. How can you guys change that perception?
01:08Winning. What changes everything, right? What changes? Winning changes everything, right?
01:13I told the coaches that the other day, right? Or playing well. How does a player stop a narrative? Play
01:19well.
01:19How do we stop a narrative on offense? Score. How do we stop a narrative on winning? Win.
01:23Win. It's pretty frickin' simple, right? I mean, is that not in life in general, right?
01:28There is a narrative out there that, you know, you're not a good husband. Well, change. Be a good husband,
01:32right?
01:33All that's part of it, right? Change the narrative. Become that.
01:37That's what we have to do. It's real simple.
01:39Go ahead and say it.
01:41Is that a shot at Mike Vrabel?
01:43No, no, no. We don't know. We don't know.
01:48I, in listening to that man talk, I know a lot of Browns fans say, finally, we get a truth
01:55teller because we had been sanitized over the last six years that Kevin said nothing to the point where we
02:01got agitated.
02:02Like, we're like, why are we even airing these press conferences on our shows? Like, well, other than to fill
02:07time.
02:07It was on one show in particular.
02:08Like, why are we doing this? He's not saying anything. He's just repeating the same lines that got really old
02:13real fast.
02:13Now, you've got somebody who's going to say stuff.
02:17But I also, in listening to him, I'm like, is this Freddie 2.0? Are we getting some Freddie 2
02:24.0 here?
02:24And I know that drove you crazy because we do not want Freddie.
02:29Because of all the unfair commentary, that's got to be the most unfair.
02:34Like, the Browns, I could say it's unfair to Todd Munkin.
02:38Todd Munkin has technically been a part of the dysfunction before. Can't deny it.
02:44But he wasn't disorganized the way that was.
02:47That was a mess.
02:48That was a fight every single day.
02:51I can tell you right now, I don't want to say too much because one guy's the head coach of
02:54the football team now,
02:55but you had one guy who thought he should be in charge of the offense.
02:59You have another guy who probably should have been in charge of the offense.
03:02The guy who thought he was in charge of the offense had one game where things went well
03:05and then decided to take the reins.
03:07But it was a disorganized mess.
03:09And I think that it's been proven since that, yeah, Todd Munkin was the one who was more organized.
03:14Todd Munkin is a plain speaking man.
03:18I don't think that that has anything to do with what the outcome of his career is going to be.
03:25I don't think he's a one and done guy because he says the S word.
03:28No, no, it's more than that.
03:29I don't think that.
03:29It's more than just saying stuff and saying things fans want to hear at press conferences because you talk like
03:35us.
03:36By the way, Rex Ryan did that and they went to the AFC Championship game the first two years
03:40and then that act wore really thin when they started losing.
03:44Well, when you're losing, it wears thin.
03:45I won't deny that.
03:46If he's out there getting prickly and cussing at people and they're a four-win football team by the end
03:50of the year,
03:51yeah, people aren't going to like that because then they start to find your faults.
03:54They start to find things that you do that they don't like.
03:56And when you start Deshaun Watson week one this year, the honeymoon will definitely be over with a lot of
04:02fans.
04:03Like, put it this way.
04:04We would get mad.
04:04So I don't want to be hypocritical here.
04:06We would get mad that Kevin would not hold anybody accountable publicly
04:11because I've seen good coaches do that with certain players that they think they needed to.
04:17I mean, Phil Jackson, it's legendary how you want to talk about going public about a guy.
04:22He wrote in a book after a season all these flaws of Kobe Bryant.
04:28And you know why he did it?
04:28Because he knew that he wasn't going to lose Kobe.
04:32That was going to take Kobe a different way.
04:34There's a bunch of other guys, had you have done that, maybe Shaq, that would have gone south.
04:38All right, Todd's got to be a little strategic when it comes to this.
04:42Well, Phil had already had titles with Chicago before he did that.
04:45Sure, yeah, he had the equity to be able to do that.
04:51Todd can't do that yet.
04:53But I want to be fit.
04:54There's a difference between being fair to the Browns and being fair to Todd Munkin.
04:58Todd Munkin was a part of it once, but I think Todd Munkin was probably the responsible one in that
05:02whole fiasco.
05:04All right?
05:04Not responsible for the fiasco, but the more responsible person in the fiasco, I guess.
05:10But the Browns have all their dysfunction and all the silliness and all the Browns, same old Browns and all
05:15that stuff.
05:16That's blamed right on them because you haven't won.
05:18With Todd Munkin, he is trying to change that, and he's right.
05:21Winning is the only thing that's going to change that.
05:22And so everything has to be, for him, dedicated to winning.
05:26Because you mentioned, Kenny, off the air real quick, you mentioned who also wasn't in the photo.
05:30Everybody was doing LOL Browns at the coach not being in the photo.
05:34I know you weren't here that day, but I said it right there.
05:36I go, Sean McVay.
05:37And I said, I couldn't complain because Sean McVay is a Super Bowl winning head coach and his team's a
05:42contending team every year.
05:44So I'm hoping, like, when I was a kid, when I was little, I know the Patriots to be a
05:50mess when I was little.
05:53Like, Adam Sandler used to make fun of them all the time.
05:55Like, they were a mess.
05:56And so you made fun of the Patriots.
05:58You said they sucked out a lot.
05:59There's plenty of teams that you got to change it.
06:02Now they're known as one of the gold standards of success in professional sports history.
06:06It's up to you to change that.
06:08At one point, the Browns were known as the pinnacle gold standard of football.
06:11And now, obviously, that's changed.
06:13Well, it's up to them to change all that.
06:15And Todd Munkin has to put his best foot forward.
06:17So I understand what Todd Munkin's saying.
06:18I'm not excited over Todd Munkin because he cusses.
06:22Kevin would cuss every now and then.
06:23Not in public.
06:24But Kevin would cuss every now and then.
06:25I don't have a problem with that.
06:27But I am happy that he's himself because, again, he's at an age where he can't pretend
06:33to be anybody else.
06:34And the thing that got hit, the thing he knows that is going to win, this is why I'm excited
06:37by this, what he knows is going to win is being as authentic as possible.
06:41And the chips will fall where they may.
06:43If he's anything but that, he really won't have a chance.
06:45But I did wonder, when I hear him talk, and I really was curious because I didn't want
06:50to text you too much yesterday because I could see you were about to.
06:52I was getting a little bit upset.
06:53So, well, you used a term and you knew I was going to get upset.
06:56I'm not going to say it on the air.
06:57Well, it's something that's up to you.
06:59Let's just say, you know, observers around the league and stuff that start texting when
07:04they start texting about the Browns.
07:06And I'm like, oh, you know, people that might work in the league and some people that I know
07:10that I've crossed paths with.
07:11You know, they see Todd and they're like, oh, this is going to wear thin very quickly,
07:16especially when the loss is mild because they're assuming the Browns are going to be bad.
07:19And so when tough talking Todd is out there saying things.
07:22And using profanity and doing the stuff that he's been shielded from because he hasn't
07:28been a head coach.
07:28He's been a coordinator.
07:29And so the coordinators don't talk after losses.
07:32But I think the head coaches do.
07:34And so I'm very curious to see what the act is if they get off to a slow start.
07:41I think this could be a very good thing, though.
07:42And here's what I was going to ask you.
07:44Do you think him and his truth telling, do you think it cost him head coaching jobs in
07:51the past because why wasn't Todd Munkin a head coach?
07:53Probably.
07:54He's got the resume of a guy who should have been a head coach.
07:56And you're right.
07:57And he was successful in turning around Southern Miss when he was in college and he went to
08:01the pros.
08:01I'm sure there's a multitude of reasons.
08:03And I'm sure probably there's that is that he's come off.
08:06I mean, part of this is a political appointment by owners.
08:08I mean, they see a person and they want.
08:12I'm sorry.
08:12I know Cliff Kingsbury is good at being on offense.
08:16I think if Cliff Kingsbury looked like me, I don't think Cliff Kingsbury would ever got
08:19another chance again.
08:21Flatly.
08:21That's that's it.
08:22He's a good looking man.
08:24He stands out there.
08:25I mean, you get you might get one crack if you look like Kenny Carmen.
08:28I don't know if you're going to get another crack at it.
08:30Who is the old offensive line coach?
08:32Bob Wiley.
08:33God bless him.
08:34He's a wonderful, wonderful man.
08:35You're telling me if Kingsbury looked like Bob Wiley?
08:37I don't think he'd get a second chance.
08:38Like I'm it is.
08:40And part of it's political.
08:40Part of it is how you look, how you would look as a candidate, because you have to talk
08:44the fans into believing into it and believing what it is.
08:48And teams go from one pendulum swing to another.
08:51We had Freddie.
08:52Freddie was insane.
08:53Then you went to Kevin.
08:54Kevin was as quiet as a church mouse.
08:56And so it was the perfect thing at the perfect time.
08:59But now you have a team that doesn't really have leadership.
09:02You have a team that you're yelling about miles.
09:05Let's be honest.
09:05If you had a quarterback to go into this, maybe they wouldn't have picked Todd.
09:08But you need a guy that's going to be himself the entire way through.
09:11So he can go out there and he can drop F-bombs in the media.
09:15But if he goes in the locker room and he still is the same way, that will get respect.
09:19Yes, that's true.
09:19If you're the exact same way, because he can go out there and guys, if they start 0-3
09:23and he stands there and he has reasons for it and he goes, you know what?
09:26You guys keep asking me the same effing questions.
09:28And let me tell you about some of these situations that happened here.
09:31Let me tell you about what happened in the Lions.
09:33I don't even know if they play Lions.
09:34I'm just saying.
09:34Let me tell you what happened in the effing Lions game.
09:36And he just starts in on it and fans are going to be going, oh my God.
09:40And there's going to be some fans who are upset by that because you're 0-3.
09:43But that might resonate with the players.
09:46Again, Jim Fossil, when I was a kid, you thought he was a boob.
09:50And he pushed the chips to the middle of the table, said we're going all in.
09:55This team's going to the playoffs.
09:56And he was as authentic as possible.
09:57And that's the team that went to the Super Bowl.
09:59They lost, but they accomplished great things there with the New York Giants.
10:01If you are that way, this team will have a chance to be more successful than they were
10:06last year.
10:07And he will have a chance to be a head coach for multiple years and maybe with this quarterback
10:12or next quarterback or whatever, have a chance to be successful.
10:16Because again, you can lie to me.
10:18You can lie to Tone.
10:19You can lie to the fans.
10:20You cannot lie to those players.
10:21So if he's the same exact way, and it seems that he is, I don't think that this is putting
10:26on some facade or putting on some act, but he will be challenged to act as what he knows
10:33is the right thing to do over and over and over again, because he will be tested by those
10:37players.
10:38If he passes those tests, then what he says in press conferences can help him and help
10:43him with his players.
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