What if sustainable success comes from letting go instead of doing more?
In this episode of The Mason Duchatschek Show, Mason sits down with Ginny Priem, author of Unsubscribe: Why Letting Go is the Secret to Getting Ahead, to explore why so many high achievers, business owners, CEOs, and executives mistake over-functioning for effective leadership.
If you have ever felt the pressure to hold everything together, carry too much responsibility, or lead from exhaustion instead of clarity, this conversation will challenge the way you think about success, burnout, emotional intelligence, and team empowerment.
Ginny shares hard-earned insights on:
-How letting go can strengthen leadership and decision-making
-Why emotional intelligence and self-awareness are essential for growth
-How outdated beliefs about success can quietly damage culture and performance
-What it takes to build healthier teams without controlling everything
-How intentional living creates more clarity, resilience, and sustainable results
This episode is especially relevant for:
business owners
CEOs and executives
HR leaders
sales managers
team leaders
professionals building stronger workplace culture and leadership capacity
If you want to lead with more clarity, build a stronger team, and create success that actually lasts, this episode is for you.
In this episode, you will learn:
-Why letting go is essential for leadership development and personal growth
-How burnout can hide behind competence, achievement, and responsibility
-Why emotional intelligence and self-awareness are critical leadership skills
-How to recognize misalignment before it becomes a bigger problem
-Why empowering your team starts with releasing control
-How unplugging can improve clarity, focus, and productivity
-What intentional living looks like for high-performing leaders
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In this episode of The Mason Duchatschek Show, Mason sits down with Ginny Priem, author of Unsubscribe: Why Letting Go is the Secret to Getting Ahead, to explore why so many high achievers, business owners, CEOs, and executives mistake over-functioning for effective leadership.
If you have ever felt the pressure to hold everything together, carry too much responsibility, or lead from exhaustion instead of clarity, this conversation will challenge the way you think about success, burnout, emotional intelligence, and team empowerment.
Ginny shares hard-earned insights on:
-How letting go can strengthen leadership and decision-making
-Why emotional intelligence and self-awareness are essential for growth
-How outdated beliefs about success can quietly damage culture and performance
-What it takes to build healthier teams without controlling everything
-How intentional living creates more clarity, resilience, and sustainable results
This episode is especially relevant for:
business owners
CEOs and executives
HR leaders
sales managers
team leaders
professionals building stronger workplace culture and leadership capacity
If you want to lead with more clarity, build a stronger team, and create success that actually lasts, this episode is for you.
In this episode, you will learn:
-Why letting go is essential for leadership development and personal growth
-How burnout can hide behind competence, achievement, and responsibility
-Why emotional intelligence and self-awareness are critical leadership skills
-How to recognize misalignment before it becomes a bigger problem
-Why empowering your team starts with releasing control
-How unplugging can improve clarity, focus, and productivity
-What intentional living looks like for high-performing leaders
Subscribe for more conversations on:
leadership
business growth
workplace culture
employee retention
hiring
emotional intelligence
executive development
team performance
Watch more from Workforce Alchemy:
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00:05Welcome to the Mason Dukacek Show.
00:07This episode is brought to you by Workforce Alchemy,
00:10helping leaders improve hiring, engagement, and retention
00:14while uncovering people-related profit leaks
00:16hidden in everyday operations.
00:18Today's guest is Jenny Preem,
00:21a number one best-selling author, keynote speaker,
00:24and founder of the globally top-ranked personal growth podcast,
00:28Unsubscribe with Jenny Preem.
00:31With over 20 years of corporate leadership experience
00:34and a powerful signature message,
00:37Unsubscribe, Why Letting Go Is The Secret To Getting Ahead,
00:42she helps high achievers lead better, live better,
00:46and perform better by shedding what drains them.
00:50Jenny's work blends real-world business insight
00:52with emotional intelligence, resilience, mindset shift,
00:56and transformational change
00:58that leaders and executives can apply right now.
01:02Jenny, welcome to the show.
01:04Mason, thank you so much for having me.
01:05I'm so happy to be here.
01:07So you spent more than two decades
01:09in corporate leadership roles.
01:10What did those years teach you
01:13about what actually drives sustainable performance
01:16versus what only looks good on paper?
01:19I think we've all probably been there.
01:21I kind of explained the situation
01:24of being in this place of over-functioning.
01:26You look really good and successful on the outside, right?
01:29You've got the fancy title and the fancy car
01:32and the big salary,
01:33and it looks like you've got it all together,
01:35but you're just exhausted on the inside.
01:38And I think that's kind of what over-functioning looks like.
01:42We try to do everything
01:44and be everything to everybody.
01:46And at what cost, right?
01:47Like you talked about the quiet leaking, right?
01:51Like the profit leaking and the profit loss.
01:53Like when we are constantly busy, busy, busy,
01:56are we actually being productive?
01:59I got reminded just the other day
02:00that sometimes you need to slow down
02:03to go faster and further.
02:05And that's one of the reasons
02:06why I was excited to have you on the show today.
02:08I'm really, really excited for the time we got.
02:11So looking back,
02:12what leadership habits have served you well
02:15early in your career,
02:16but eventually became limiting
02:18as your responsibilities grew?
02:20I love talking about the mistakes
02:22that I made in leadership.
02:24So I would say one of the biggest mistakes
02:26that I made was I built a lot of teams
02:30and I looked for and built teams
02:33that were similar to me and my skillset.
02:36And one of the things that I had to do
02:38or like was unsubscribe from that thought.
02:41I had to like let that go
02:42because ultimately it didn't work.
02:44I had to, you have to build a functioning team.
02:47You have to manage it in a way
02:49that you're building on
02:51and bringing groups of people together
02:53that have different strengths.
02:55So if you've got one person
02:56that's really good communicator,
02:58one that's a really good connector,
02:59one that's really good with,
03:01you know, the backend stuff,
03:02like the admin operations,
03:04that actually makes a better performing team
03:07than trying to find more people
03:08that are similar to you, right?
03:10Like it's, you're not going out to brunch.
03:11This is work that you're doing.
03:14And so you have to be really strategic about it.
03:17So many leaders struggle with holding on
03:19too long to roles, strategies,
03:22or even relationships.
03:23How can executives recognize
03:25when holding on is doing more harm than good?
03:28Mason, that is the crux of unsubscribe, right?
03:31Like why letting go is a secret to getting ahead
03:33because we do hang on to these things.
03:35It's like the sunk cost fallacy, right?
03:37We invest so much.
03:40And so you keep sinking more into it
03:43because you've already invested so much.
03:45But how often have you left a job that was miserable
03:49or that, you know, a relationship that was toxic
03:51and you're like,
03:52oh man, wish I would have hung on to that longer.
03:55No, it's always the opposite, right?
03:57Like people are like,
03:57man, I wish I would have done that sooner.
04:00And that's the whole,
04:01like that relief that you feel in those moments
04:04is what I want people to feel all of the time
04:06when they are using and utilizing
04:08the pillars of unsubscribe
04:09in everyday work and life.
04:12It's funny you say that
04:13because I look at things like momentum
04:14and I just reflect on just my life
04:18and the people I interact with
04:19and things I do
04:20and how it's so tempting
04:21that when you feel momentum
04:22and you've invested time
04:24and you've invested energy
04:24down a particular path
04:26and when you find out
04:27that the bridge is out up ahead,
04:29you know, hey, I need to stop,
04:31turn around or pivot
04:32and not continue along this path.
04:35But you feel like,
04:37but I've done all this
04:38and I've put all this time
04:39and money and energy
04:40and I've got all this momentum going
04:41and you might,
04:42but if the bridge is out ahead,
04:44you want to know that sooner
04:45rather than later
04:46and I've got all this time, energy
04:48and effort invested
04:49is not a good excuse
04:50to keep the momentum going along a path
04:52where the bridge is out ahead.
04:54What are some of the warning signs that,
04:56and it's not always,
04:57as you know,
04:58you've written books on this,
05:00as you know,
05:00it's not always an obvious sign
05:02like, hey,
05:03the bridge is out ahead.
05:04What are some of the signs
05:05that people need to look for,
05:07whether it's career
05:08or relationships
05:09or personal development
05:10that might give them the heads up
05:12that less might be better right now?
05:16Yeah.
05:16I think that when you start to feel
05:17out of alignment with yourself
05:19and that's the biggest thing.
05:21For me,
05:22when I was talking about earlier
05:23where I was in this situation
05:24where I wished I had,
05:26you know,
05:27this methodology of unsubscribe
05:29is I was doing
05:30and performing in a way
05:31that I thought other people
05:33thought I should be.
05:34And I think that's a really big,
05:37clear indicator,
05:37but it wasn't actually true
05:39to who I was
05:40as a leader,
05:41as a friend,
05:42as a partner,
05:43as, you know,
05:44as in every area of my life.
05:46And so I think the mindset shift here
05:48is we feel like
05:50when we quit something
05:51or when we stop something
05:53or when we move on
05:54from something
05:55that we have invested
05:55a significant amount
05:57of our time and energy into.
05:59Absolutely.
06:00It can feel like a failure.
06:02But it's only going to be a failure
06:05if you keep investing
06:07and wasting your time
06:08and energy on something
06:09that isn't for you.
06:11Interesting.
06:12So what are some
06:13of the most common things
06:14that high performers
06:14are afraid to let go of?
06:15And why are those fears
06:17so persistent in your opinion?
06:19I think it's some outdated systems,
06:22right?
06:22Like if I look at
06:23my parents' generation,
06:24like my dad,
06:25he, you know,
06:26it's like you show up to work,
06:28you work the longest,
06:29you work the longest hours,
06:30you have the longest commute,
06:32you get promoted,
06:33you get the next title,
06:34you get a bigger salary
06:35and you rinse and repeat.
06:37And I think that
06:38these are just outdated.
06:39And that's what I like to do
06:40is kind of challenge
06:41some of these beliefs
06:42that people have.
06:43But is that really
06:45the, you know,
06:46identity of success?
06:48For some people,
06:49it might be.
06:49I'm not saying that
06:50that's wrong for everybody.
06:51But, you know,
06:52for me,
06:53how success has shifted
06:55is, you know,
06:56time freedom.
06:57I love a good slow morning
06:59and not having a 7 a.m.
07:01conference call
07:02every Monday morning.
07:03Like that to me
07:05is success
07:06and having that kind
07:07of time freedom.
07:08So I think you have to
07:09really sit with yourself
07:10and go,
07:11what does success look like?
07:13Like what does
07:13a happy,
07:14fulfilled life
07:16for me look like?
07:17And then start to take
07:18those steps towards that.
07:19And that might mean
07:21letting go
07:22of some of the things
07:22that you're comfortable with.
07:24Like,
07:24I'll give you another example
07:25just about me personally.
07:27So I come from
07:29a,
07:30my origin of,
07:31my family of origin,
07:32excuse me.
07:33I have a narcissistic parent
07:36and I chose a partner
07:38who was very narcissistic.
07:40Some people might say
07:41psychopath or sociopath
07:42and that's really
07:43the foundation of why
07:44I do the work
07:45that I do now.
07:46And when I reflected on
07:48how did I get myself
07:49in this mess,
07:50sometimes we pick things
07:52that are familiar
07:54because there's comfort
07:55and familiarity
07:57even if it's not healthy
07:59or right for you.
08:01That's a big deal
08:02because,
08:03how do I phrase this?
08:04Sometimes
08:05if a
08:07leader wants to
08:08let go of things,
08:09maybe they recognize
08:10a need like,
08:10hey,
08:10I should let go
08:11of this
08:12or I should let go
08:12of that.
08:14But there's always
08:14that fear that
08:15by doing that,
08:17I am going
08:18into unfamiliar territory.
08:19And I am creating
08:20instability or uncertainty
08:22for myself
08:23or for my team.
08:25How can leaders
08:26practice letting go
08:27without creating
08:28instability
08:28or uncertainty
08:29for their team?
08:30Oh my gosh.
08:31So again,
08:32I'm going to get
08:32really real
08:33and vulnerable
08:33with you.
08:34So my book
08:35came out
08:35a couple weeks ago
08:36and I was very
08:38attached
08:38to this outcome,
08:41controlling this
08:42outcome in number.
08:43And look,
08:44it launched
08:45at a number three
08:45new release
08:46based on Amazon
08:46and most people
08:48would be like,
08:48man,
08:48that's amazing.
08:49Like you should
08:50celebrate that.
08:50But I was like,
08:51it should have been
08:52number one.
08:53And I realized
08:54that this is
08:55an old pattern
08:56of behavior
08:57for me
08:57and like thought
08:58process for me
08:59of being a leader,
09:00being an early leader
09:01and really wanting
09:02to control
09:04outcomes.
09:04And that's not
09:05really being a leader.
09:06Being a leader
09:07is about empowering
09:08the people
09:09that are around you,
09:11right?
09:11Like it's about
09:11empowering them
09:12to do their best,
09:14not you doing it
09:15for them,
09:15not you trying
09:16to control
09:16what they're doing,
09:17but empowering them.
09:19And so I think
09:20letting go
09:21of the idea
09:23of certain outcomes
09:25and of course
09:26we have a job
09:26to do,
09:27right?
09:27But I think
09:27that sometimes
09:28when we shift
09:29that,
09:29you know,
09:30releasing of control,
09:32it gives people
09:34more power.
09:35Sure.
09:36So can you share
09:37an example maybe
09:38where letting go
09:40of control
09:40actually improved
09:41results or team
09:42performance?
09:42I mean,
09:44for me,
09:45when I,
09:46I mean,
09:47this was just
09:4710 years ago,
09:48but the first time
09:49when I was leading
09:49a team where I
09:50actually checked
09:52out and let go
09:55was only 10 years
09:57ago.
09:57Like that's not
09:58that long ago
09:59and I completely
10:00unplugged on vacation.
10:02I used to work
10:03on vacation
10:04all of the time
10:05and finally I was
10:06like,
10:06you know what?
10:07What's the worst
10:08that's going to happen
10:09if I actually unplugged
10:10and I'm not available
10:11for my team?
10:11Because here's the thing,
10:13you as a leader
10:14are setting the example
10:15for the rest of your team.
10:16If you're working
10:17your entire vacation,
10:19that sets the tone
10:19that your entire team
10:21feels like they need
10:22to work while they're
10:22on vacation
10:23rather than actually
10:25unplugging,
10:26taking that time,
10:27enjoying themselves,
10:28relaxing,
10:28and coming back
10:28to work more refreshed.
10:30Like you have to
10:31take those pauses
10:32and that time away,
10:34whatever that looks
10:35like for you,
10:36right?
10:36Like maybe a week-long
10:36vacation in Thailand
10:37isn't your unsubscribed moment
10:40and letting go
10:41of that control
10:43to get a better outcome.
10:44But maybe it comes
10:45in something
10:46like smaller baby steps.
10:47But that was a big moment
10:48for me.
10:49I'm really enjoying
10:49this conversation
10:50because when you talk
10:51about unplugging,
10:53I make conscientious choices
10:55to turn off my phone.
10:56I use technology.
10:59I don't let technology
11:00dictate to me.
11:01And it's a conscientious choice
11:03and I haven't regretted it
11:05not one time.
11:07If I'm going for a run
11:09or a bike ride,
11:10I'm happy to turn off my phone
11:12and have peace
11:13and enjoy the moment.
11:14And when I come back,
11:17fresh start,
11:18I feel better.
11:19Yeah.
11:20When people talk
11:21about unplugging,
11:21one act that I make
11:23a point to do
11:24is turn off my phone.
11:25And you know what?
11:26Surprise, surprise.
11:27Anything that,
11:28anybody that needed
11:29to get a hold of me
11:30for any reason,
11:32it can wait.
11:33It was still there, right?
11:34That message was still there.
11:36Yep.
11:36It keeps going on around you
11:37and it's still there
11:38when you get back.
11:38I have two hard moments
11:40where I don't bring my phone
11:41when I walk my dog
11:42because to me,
11:43it's about,
11:44and being in nature too,
11:45just being in nature
11:46and paying attention
11:47to the senses
11:48and being present with that
11:49is really valuable.
11:50But that's my time
11:51to connect with her,
11:52connect with myself.
11:53I'm not distracted.
11:54And when I'm working out
11:56because how easy
11:58would it be
11:58to get distracted
11:59by that pain
12:00or to take that phone call
12:02two minutes into your workout
12:03and then you never
12:04do the workout, right?
12:05So I think you can have
12:06different reasons
12:07behind why you're doing
12:09these things,
12:09but I think it's important
12:11and powerful.
12:11I love your example
12:12of like,
12:13you know,
12:13if anybody needs,
12:14it's still there
12:15when I get back.
12:16It is.
12:18It's,
12:19I've,
12:19to my knowledge,
12:21I don't know
12:21of any poor consequences
12:22that have come
12:22as a result of it
12:23and I've been doing it
12:24for a long time.
12:25Airplane mode
12:26is great at the gym too
12:27because then you can still
12:27listen to music
12:28without being interrupted
12:30and I have zero notifications
12:32on my email.
12:33I have zero notifications
12:35on my text message.
12:37I only look at that
12:38when I have time,
12:39when I've decided
12:41that I can focus
12:42on those things
12:43and guess what?
12:44The emails are still
12:45sitting there,
12:45the text messages
12:46are still sitting there
12:47and I am not
12:48at the beck and call
12:49of technology
12:50and it gives me peace.
12:52So how can executives
12:54build emotional self-awareness
12:55without over-intellectualizing it?
12:58Ooh,
12:59I mean,
13:00trial and error,
13:00right?
13:01So I have this little method
13:02that I call
13:03ROR,
13:04react,
13:05observe,
13:05and respond.
13:06So we all are conditioned
13:08based on our experiences,
13:09right?
13:10Whether it's,
13:10you know,
13:11the family that we grew up in,
13:12the work environments
13:13that we've been in
13:14and certain things
13:14are going to cause us
13:15to react in certain ways.
13:17What I love to teach people
13:19to do is
13:20that is like
13:21your unconscious,
13:23you know,
13:24bias reacting that way.
13:26And I used to be
13:26a very reactive person
13:27just because of my history
13:29with narcissistic abuse
13:30and that's why
13:31this was so important for me
13:32and I know it can help
13:33other people.
13:34But if you're like,
13:36oof,
13:36I didn't like how I like
13:38showed up in that room
13:39or how I,
13:40you know,
13:40reacted to that situation
13:42or to that employee
13:43or to their situation
13:45or circumstance,
13:45observe that reaction.
13:47And then the more
13:48you can do that,
13:49you build self-awareness
13:51and you can change
13:52the way you respond.
13:53A reaction is instinctive
13:55and a response
13:56is emotionally intelligent.
13:58So I love that
14:00just, you know,
14:00to be able to pay attention
14:02to your reactions,
14:03especially if you don't
14:04like the way
14:04that you're reacting
14:05to certain things.
14:06The best way to change it
14:07is observe
14:08and then respond.
14:10And you,
14:10it's like a muscle,
14:11right?
14:11Like I love you,
14:12you were talking about
14:12being in the gym.
14:13You have to continue
14:14to flex that muscle
14:15so that you continue
14:16to get better with it.
14:20So I know burnout's
14:21often hidden
14:22behind competence.
14:24What warning signs
14:25do you see leaders ignore
14:26most often
14:27until it's too late?
14:28I don't think burnout
14:29has anything to do
14:31with competence.
14:32I think it's...
14:33What I want to hear
14:34by that is it's
14:34hidden behind competence.
14:35It's someone like,
14:36like,
14:37oh, I'm so good
14:37at what I do.
14:38I'm so good at what I do.
14:39And they have this idea
14:40that they have to maintain
14:42the appearance of,
14:44appearance of super competence.
14:46And I think that burnout
14:48gets hidden behind that.
14:49And it's part of their identity.
14:51Oh, I have...
14:52This is part of what I do
14:53and I have got to be great at this.
14:55And I just feel
14:55that there's...
14:57That I think people...
14:58I could be wrong,
14:59but my opinion is
15:00my observations have been
15:01that people hide behind
15:02that sometimes
15:03until they do burnout.
15:05Whereas if they would have
15:06maybe unsubscribed
15:07a little earlier
15:08and backed off a little bit,
15:09perhaps not.
15:10And I was just curious
15:10if you've seen some signs
15:12that leaders ignore
15:13and if so,
15:14what they might be.
15:15Yeah, I think you're...
15:16I totally agree.
15:18I think that it is
15:20that over-functioning, right?
15:22Like the people that are
15:23willing to do anything
15:24and everything.
15:25You know,
15:25the ones that are constantly...
15:26That's what I'm talking about.
15:27Yeah.
15:28Because they feel
15:29they have to do that
15:29to look competent
15:30or to look exceptional.
15:32Mm-hmm.
15:33That's a better way of saying it.
15:34You said it better than I did,
15:35but same way.
15:35No, no, no, no.
15:36But also like,
15:37you know,
15:37they might be thinking,
15:38well, this is what I need to do
15:39to get the next promotion
15:41or to get the next raise, right?
15:42To do my job
15:43and everybody else's around me.
15:45And then, you know,
15:46thinking that you're looking
15:47like the hero,
15:47but you're actually
15:48kind of falling apart inside.
15:50And I think so many people
15:51can relate to that
15:52because that's sort of
15:54that hustle culture
15:55that we've been trained
15:58to like wear as a badge
15:59and, oh, here's my busyness.
16:01I'm so busy.
16:02But, you know,
16:03that busyness,
16:04everybody has the same amount of time.
16:06And, you know,
16:07if you're just constantly busy
16:09with things,
16:11are you actually focusing
16:12on what truly matters?
16:14So what's the difference
16:15between a healthy resilience
16:17and simply pushing through
16:19when rest or change
16:20is actually needed?
16:21Well, I have a hot take
16:23on resilience.
16:23I think it's a really overused word.
16:25I think it got used a lot
16:27during the pandemic.
16:29My belief is that
16:30as human beings,
16:32we are naturally resilient.
16:33None of us would be here
16:34through the pandemic
16:35if we weren't resilient.
16:37We are designed
16:38to bounce back
16:40from difficult times.
16:42My perspective is
16:44I think that
16:45the best leaders,
16:46the best performers,
16:47the most emotionally intelligent
16:49and aware people
16:51are the ones that
16:52take what we go through
16:54and use it to propel them forward
16:57to a new, better place.
16:58So it's not about bouncing back.
17:01It's actually about
17:02bouncing forward.
17:04Interesting.
17:04If an executive
17:06listening today
17:07feels stuck
17:08but can't pinpoint why,
17:10what's one practical reflection
17:13or question
17:13they should start with?
17:15I think it's
17:16what do I find meaning in?
17:19Whether it's in your life
17:21or work.
17:22Because I think
17:23that's a big shift
17:24for people.
17:25Like especially,
17:26especially executives,
17:27they do tend to have
17:29more pressure on them.
17:30They put more pressure
17:32on themselves.
17:32And when you start
17:34to do a job
17:35or work
17:36or things in life
17:37that aren't,
17:38I don't like to use
17:39the word purpose,
17:40but that aren't
17:40meaningful to you,
17:42then you start to
17:43kind of lose yourself
17:44in that.
17:46Okay.
17:47What's one belief
17:48about success
17:49or leadership
17:49that you think
17:50executives need
17:51to seriously reconsider?
17:54If any.
17:55Yeah, I feel like
17:57attaching to titles.
17:59I think at the end
18:00of the day,
18:01no one,
18:01and I think I say
18:02this in my book,
18:03like no one's
18:04going to remember
18:04if when I left
18:05corporate I was
18:06a director,
18:07a senior director,
18:08an associate,
18:09vice president,
18:10like nobody cares.
18:13And even like
18:13someone was saying
18:14to me the other day,
18:15they're like,
18:15well, yeah,
18:15people might know
18:16who the CEO of Pfizer is.
18:18I was like,
18:18can you tell me
18:19who the CEO of Pfizer
18:20is right now?
18:20And they're like,
18:21no.
18:21Usually it's only
18:22because they're in
18:22the news for
18:23something bad,
18:24right?
18:24Like everybody
18:25knew who the CEO
18:26was that was
18:26on the Coldplay
18:27concert screen
18:29that was hugging
18:30his HR director,
18:31having the affair
18:32with his HR director.
18:34But nobody knew
18:35who he was before,
18:36cared that he was
18:37a CEO until
18:37he did something bad.
18:39So I think
18:39this whole attaching
18:41ourselves to labels
18:43and titles
18:45and identities
18:46or as our identity
18:48can be,
18:51you know,
18:51not catastrophic,
18:52but it's just
18:54unhealthy for sure.
18:55Yeah,
18:55it's nonsense.
18:56What inspired you
18:57to write your book?
18:58That's a loaded question.
19:00So my first book
19:02is a number one bestseller
19:03called You're My Favorite.
19:04That was about
19:05the harrowing experience
19:06that I went through
19:07when basically I found out
19:08that the partner
19:09that was living in my house
19:10with his two kids
19:11was living a double life.
19:12He's a fraud
19:13and a monster
19:13in every way.
19:15Financial,
19:16I'm like,
19:16cheater,
19:17liar,
19:18fraud in every way.
19:19So that's actually
19:20the real root
19:21of the story
19:22of how I came
19:24to do the work
19:24that I did today.
19:25It shattered me
19:26and imploded my entire life.
19:27I had to take
19:28a deep look
19:29at everything
19:30work-wise,
19:32personal life,
19:32and I wish
19:34I had
19:35the pillars
19:36of unsubscribe
19:37at that time
19:38in my life
19:38so that I could make
19:40better,
19:40faster decisions,
19:41so that I could focus
19:42on what matters
19:44and remove
19:44the excess.
19:45And so that's
19:47where unsubscribe
19:48comes into play.
19:49And that's a very,
19:52for someone
19:53who hasn't interacted
19:54with a narcissist,
19:55you almost don't believe
19:56it's real
19:57because it sounds like,
20:00well,
20:00no one could be that bad.
20:01It couldn't be,
20:03but it's almost
20:04like made up
20:05because you don't think
20:05a normal human
20:06doesn't think
20:07a normal human
20:08would act that way,
20:09but they do.
20:09So I'm sorry
20:11for what you had
20:12to go through,
20:13but I'm thankful
20:15that you utilize
20:17that as teachable moments
20:19and a chance
20:20to help others
20:22who probably feel alone
20:24and need your message
20:26more than anything.
20:27So thank you
20:27for sharing that.
20:28If there was
20:30one piece of advice
20:31that you could give
20:32to anybody listening today,
20:34personal or professional,
20:35this is always
20:37my favorite question
20:38to ask.
20:38I was listening
20:39to a Tony Robbins
20:41interview
20:42and someone asked him
20:44that question.
20:44He said,
20:44if there's only
20:45one piece of advice
20:46you could give,
20:46what would it be?
20:47And I'm sitting there
20:48thinking this is a guy
20:49who's been paid a fortune
20:50to consult one-on-one
20:51with world leaders
20:53and icons
20:54and sports
20:55and music
20:56and I'm sitting there
20:57thinking this guy's
20:58written all these
20:59amazing books,
21:00all this amazing knowledge
21:01and I was very curious
21:02when someone asked me
21:02what if there's only
21:03one piece of advice
21:04you could give,
21:04what would it be?
21:06And I was fascinated
21:07at his answer.
21:07And by the way,
21:08his answer was
21:08raise your standards.
21:09He said,
21:10that's the most important
21:10thing of anything
21:11to raise your standards,
21:12which I found interesting.
21:13But I'm curious,
21:14based on your life experience,
21:15if there was only
21:16one piece of advice
21:17you could give
21:17to anybody listening,
21:18what would it be
21:18and why?
21:20I think it would be
21:21one of the core
21:22foundations
21:23of my unsubscribed message
21:24and that is that
21:26it's not about more,
21:28it's about less
21:29with intention.
21:30Living an intentional life
21:32is very different
21:33than living a life
21:34of being more,
21:36doing more,
21:37being more to everybody,
21:39everybody else around you
21:40because then what happens
21:41is you tend
21:41to lose yourself.
21:43So one of the activities
21:45I like to do sometimes
21:46in my keynote sessions
21:47and I'll do this
21:48with you, Mason,
21:49is who are the five
21:50most important people
21:51to you in your life?
21:53Obviously,
21:54I would start with family
21:55and I want to be
21:55general there
21:56because I could take up
21:57all five of them
21:58with that.
21:58But outside of family,
22:01I would say
22:02five most important people
22:03in my life
22:04other than family.
22:06Pastor,
22:06and then the rest
22:07of them are close friends.
22:09And where would you
22:10be on that list?
22:12How do you mean?
22:13Where would you
22:14put yourself?
22:15Like,
22:15were you even
22:16a consideration
22:16for the top five
22:17most important people
22:18in your life?
22:19Wow.
22:20No,
22:20that never crossed my mind.
22:22This is what I'm talking about.
22:24Wow.
22:24When we are always
22:26thinking about
22:26everybody else,
22:28right,
22:28where do we come in?
22:31And that's where,
22:32like I said,
22:33that's kind of
22:33the crux of this
22:34whole message
22:35is it's not about
22:36doing more,
22:37being more,
22:38it's about doing less
22:39but with intentionality
22:41because when,
22:42like,
22:42that's how we lose ourselves.
22:44That's how we get
22:44to that point of burnout.
22:46That's how we get
22:47to that point
22:47of over-functioning,
22:49looking good
22:49on the outside.
22:50But for me,
22:51like when I was
22:52in the height
22:53of this state,
22:54my body was
22:55screaming at me.
22:56I had abnormal
22:57skin cancer lesions
22:58removed from my body.
22:59I,
23:00my hair broke off
23:01and fell out
23:01and I got shingles
23:02on my face
23:03in my 30s.
23:04That is not normal.
23:05Like,
23:06the stress
23:07that I was enduring
23:09and putting on myself,
23:11my body was literally
23:12screaming at me.
23:13So that is a really big,
23:15and I didn't mean
23:15to put you on the spot
23:16like that.
23:17I'm game.
23:19See,
23:19that's,
23:20that's one of the reasons
23:21I really enjoy
23:22having these conversations
23:23because I get to talk
23:25to very,
23:26very,
23:26very smart people
23:27who are the tip
23:29of the spear
23:29in business
23:31and in personal
23:32development
23:33and leadership
23:34and I hope
23:35that the people
23:36listening get
23:36as much value
23:37from these sessions
23:38as I do.
23:39But that,
23:41you,
23:41you asked me
23:42an honest question
23:42and that never
23:43crossed my mind
23:44and it,
23:45and that was
23:46your gift
23:47to me today
23:48and I hope
23:49that the people
23:49listening were
23:50experiencing that
23:51as I was
23:52and thinking,
23:52gee,
23:52I didn't even
23:53put my name
23:54on that list
23:54either
23:55and you should have
23:56because that was
23:57very powerful.
23:58You really should.
24:00I mean,
24:00people sometimes
24:01come up to me
24:02afterwards in tears.
24:03They're like,
24:03honestly,
24:04I probably wouldn't
24:05have even been
24:06in the top 10
24:06or 15 or 20.
24:08Like it never
24:08would have even,
24:09myself would have
24:10never crossed my mind
24:12of being a priority
24:13in my own life.
24:14And it's,
24:15I am a priority.
24:15I focus on
24:17personal development,
24:18professional development,
24:19spiritual,
24:20like I do all
24:21of those things.
24:22So my actions
24:23dictate that
24:24I am a priority.
24:25But the bottom line
24:27was when you asked
24:28that question,
24:29my name wouldn't
24:30have come up.
24:31I didn't,
24:32I didn't even
24:32think of it.
24:33Yeah.
24:34And also keep in mind
24:35your thoughts
24:36create your feelings,
24:37your feelings shape
24:38your mood
24:38and your mood
24:39becomes your reality.
24:40So the action
24:41and the thoughts
24:42have to align.
24:44Wow.
24:45I hope people
24:46are getting that.
24:47You just dropped
24:47some powerful,
24:49powerful wisdom
24:50right there.
24:50And I hope that
24:51people listening
24:52recognize that
24:52for what it is.
24:53That was,
24:54that was a big share.
24:56If people want to
24:57know more about you
24:58and the work you do,
24:58what's the best ways
24:59for them,
24:59what are the best ways
25:00for them to connect
25:01with you?
25:02Look, Mason,
25:03I like to keep
25:04things simple.
25:04Everything is my name,
25:06jennieprim.com.
25:07I'm jennieprim
25:08on LinkedIn,
25:10Instagram,
25:10Facebook.
25:11That's just the way
25:12I like to,
25:13and on YouTube.
25:14So I do focus
25:15a little bit more
25:16on the narcissistic
25:18behavior
25:18and recovery
25:20from narcissistic
25:21abuse over on YouTube.
25:22But you can find
25:23my books and connect
25:23with all my socials
25:24on my website too.
25:25That's probably
25:25the easiest place.
25:27Thank you so much.
25:28It was an absolute
25:29pleasure to have you
25:30on the show
25:30and thank you
25:31for the work you do.
25:32Thank you for having me.
25:34It's been a pleasure.
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