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00:17Previously on The Hack, think who edited the paper, think about where he sits now.
00:21I mean, I know Andy Coulson, but him sitting next to the Prime Minister, that's wrong in
00:26every way.
00:26The police have Mulcair's notebooks. If we can get them into the public eye, we'll see
00:30who hired who, how high this goes, who has been hacked.
00:32Just be safe with yourself. Just be safe.
00:35It's the Daniel Morgan case. We've had some witnesses finally come forward.
00:40You cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness. From today, you will have no further
00:45contact with Gary Eden whatsoever.
00:48Max, we've got them on the rack. You've settled, the whole thing gets covered up again.
00:51You've got them on the rack. With what?
00:52The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford more than a million pounds. Our biggest gun was spiked.
00:59Our liberal conservative government will take Britain in a historic new direction, a direction
01:05of hope and unity, conviction and common purpose. I'm delighted to be standing here with the
01:12new deputy prime minister. And I would like now to invite him to speak to us on what I think
01:18is a remarkable and very welcome day. Thank you, David. We've just been through an election campaign
01:27and now we have a coalition. Until today, we were rivals and now we're colleagues.
01:32This is unusual. But that will cost you all that work given to someone else's byline.
01:38Finding it a little bit hard to get my head around.
01:42Look. The BBC are playing it on repeat. I've watched it 15 times. It was sickening the first time.
01:48Andy Coulson now sits at the right-hand side of God. There's a direct link between Number 10 and Murdoch.
01:53I don't like that whisper chain. We need our... Our own coalition. We need allies.
01:58We have allies. I'm assembling a huge team of lawyers. People are working together.
02:02We need allies in the press. Yeah, I think I've tried. No, don't touch it.
02:07Thank you. Um, well, they weren't on Fleet Street, but I've always thought a lot of Glen Campbell.
02:15I think panorama will bite. No, no, no. The BBC won't risk a battle with Murdoch.
02:19Well, then there's dispatches, maybe, and internationally, Bill Keller.
02:24You can't think the New York Times would want to be involved. Murdoch's hold on the Wall Street
02:28Journal is galling to Bill. I think he could... Well, I've got resources, of course, but...
02:35Ah, then they won't share back. TV hacks might the New York Times. This will always be your story, Nick.
02:42Well, it's bigger than that. Me.
02:49Oh, I can't make friends at school. Why not a pen pal? I get it. Yeah.
02:56Yeah, I get it. It's a good idea. It's a necessary idea.
03:04Good. So, Nick Davis and The Guardian are losing the exclusive, but winning the war.
03:11Steve? Yeah.
03:35I'm aware that it has taken a few years to get to this point, and many of us are eager
03:41to draw
03:41these pretrial hearings to a close. But I'm afraid a new matter has arisen that requires our attention.
03:49Last night, an application was made by the counsel for the defendants as regards a possible irregularity
03:55in the conduct of this investigation in relation to the prosecution witness, Mr. Gary Eaton.
04:02In order to resolve this, it is my view that we must spend some time hearing evidence directly
04:09from DCS David Cook and the officers in his team, which will begin on Monday.
04:21These rules are ridiculous. They are tight on this one.
04:25No conferring me colleagues. I may not work with these officers day in, day out.
04:28They don't want you to prepare, basically. It's known as an ambush defense.
04:32And they want me to tell them everything about Gary Eaton. While the suspects are sitting right there.
04:36Look, if the judge does decide to lose Gary Eaton's evidence, it would be a significant setback.
04:42Oh, losing Gary Eaton would be a fucking disaster.
04:47So we do what the judge tells us to.
04:50All you have to do is answer the questions.
04:52Dave will be fine. He's good in the spotlight.
04:55And while you sit in the spotlight, boy scout behavior. Day in, day out. Agreed?
05:01The defense could put you under surveillance. They could track your car, your phone.
05:05They'd love nothing more than to catch you out.
05:09These men have been under arrest for over a year. This is a fucking farce.
05:13Nothing to do with truth. Nothing to do with justice.
05:18We do the best we can within the system we've got.
05:30What do you call three Pulitzer Prize winners sitting in a row? A murder? An ambush? An armada?
05:37Do you really call them help?
05:40This is, uh, quite something.
05:43It's remarkable journalism, Nick.
05:46Any sense they're doing it in America too?
05:48Uh, a few suspected names. Nothing firm. It's all in there.
05:52You have no one on record from News of the World?
05:55No.
05:56But plenty off the record. Am I right?
05:59She's trying to get you to reveal who your Mr. Apollo is.
06:02Oh, I see. You think he's a news international insider. Interesting.
06:06Um, but no, not sharing. And frankly, even if I wanted to, he's disappeared.
06:12Do you have an angle, the paper?
06:15Well, Bill's instincts were, uh, royal family, Murdoch's, press intrusion.
06:20In that order.
06:20We'll find our way. It's important no one can say that we colluded with you,
06:24or we're babyfed just to stand your story up.
06:27You're not here to stand my story up.
06:28I wasn't saying that.
06:29The idea is we further each other's stories.
06:31Anything new we get, we know you're the keeper of the flame.
06:35We'll bring you in.
06:38Might say likewise, but I've given you all I have.
07:04I don't know when this started either.
07:23You might get a call from the New York Times in the next two days.
07:26New York Times? Fancy.
07:28They're getting involved. We're giving them what we have.
07:32Two newspapers are better than one.
07:35You know, Nick, when I look at the kids who come around for play dates,
07:37I instinctively know who are good at sharing and who aren't.
07:42And you...
07:42Alan thinks it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea.
07:44Well, you weren't very good at sharing at all. Why are you?
07:47I'm not done.
07:49They'll do their thing.
07:52It actually makes it easier to pursue.
07:55Now, I was actually quite good at football as a kid,
07:57so that's what I would have done at your play date.
08:00I'd have found a ball and kicked it. I didn't care about toys.
08:01Anyway, I have an idea.
08:03So, Harry Evans wrote in his memoir about a plane crash.
08:07I don't know Harry Evans.
08:09Editor of the Sunday Times from 1967 to 81.
08:12Newspaper legend.
08:13Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch?
08:14Oh, they didn't get on.
08:15Murdoch fired him.
08:17Eventually. Actually, first he promoted and gave him
08:18editorship of the Times, but that's not...
08:20And he's the hero in this story.
08:21I haven't told the story.
08:22Well, your eyes imply he's the hero.
08:23So, DC-10 in Paris, a passenger jet,
08:26there was clearly a problem with the manufacture of the plane,
08:29but Harry couldn't print.
08:30Without evidence.
08:31Exactly. So, Harry got his reporters to intervene,
08:34linked the bereaved families with highly effective lawyers in the US,
08:38because US courts were more likely to order McDonnell Douglas
08:41to disclose internal paperwork.
08:43My plan is to do the same.
08:44Haven't we already tried that with Max Clifford?
08:47No, no. Then you involve me, in your case, very kindly.
08:51Now I'm going to recruit for you.
08:54So, they bribed Max.
08:55They won't be able to stop an army of people.
08:58If I can get a list of the hat,
09:00encourage them to come forward, we can flood the courts.
09:06I can't see you as a footballer.
09:09Fuck off. Look, Andy Coulson created a culture at the News of the World.
09:13To prove he did so, we need to get as many of his top journalists implicated as possible.
09:16Mulcair's notes had Clive Goodman's name written at the top's court record.
09:21So if we can find the other editors who commissioned him...
09:25Come on. It's time to get nuclear, don't you think?
09:30The inevitable dig followed. I had to identify,
09:33with the help of my furry friend, every celebrity politician and sports star they'd gone after.
09:39High ranking, the low ranking. The illustrious, the audacious.
09:42And then I had to persuade those people to fight like MP Tessa Jowell.
09:48Yes, I have been spoken to by the police.
09:50All the dirt they had on your ex-husband came from hacking.
09:53And ruined my marriage, I am aware.
09:56I'd like to publish an article about your experiences,
09:58and I'd like you to consider pursuing it further in court.
10:01I have good lawyer recommendations.
10:03But that would mean staring it up.
10:04We're struggled enough. Please, leave it alone.
10:08I had proof that Charles Clarke had been hacked.
10:11I told a friend who knew him to tell him.
10:13My friend said...
10:14He's not willing to engage.
10:15With Charlotte's help, I identified a dozen law firms
10:18who specialised in representing celebrities.
10:20I contacted all of them.
10:22I wish I could tell you their names.
10:24I'm getting nothing.
10:25Nothing?
10:26They're busy.
10:27They're worried about reviving an embarrassing story.
10:30They can't afford it, but mostly...
10:33Mostly, they're frightened.
10:37I've heard rumours about Nicole Kidman.
10:40Hello, Charlotte.
10:41Nice to meet you.
10:42A charming lawyer. How nice.
10:45Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly.
10:49Have you met John Kelly?
10:51No, she wasn't warned by the police.
10:54And no, she won't be meeting with you.
10:57Or any other journalist.
10:59Mr. Kelly, this is worth pursuing.
11:01For Nicole, for all your clients.
11:02It's still a no, I'm afraid.
11:04A hard no.
11:06Our trustees say no.
11:08Mark Thompson came about because two of his clients,
11:10one of whom was big brother's Jade Goody, had been hacked.
11:13Jade had died of cancer.
11:15They're not interested in pursuing a case.
11:17Perhaps I could talk to them.
11:18Because you're more persuasive than me?
11:20I get it.
11:21You're desperate.
11:24There is another...
11:26Someone.
11:27I can't give you her name.
11:28We called her AZP.
11:30She's very angry.
11:32They've ruined her life.
11:33She's leaning into all this.
11:36I'd love to.
11:36Yeah, of course you fucking would.
11:38And if she's brave enough to talk more, then you'll hear more.
11:40But until then...
11:41They're just all so scared.
11:43They are profoundly scared.
11:53Mr. Cook, do you accept that a number of rules were broken with regard to Gary Eaton?
11:59I do.
12:00And the issue for the judge to decide on is the spirit in which these rules were broken.
12:06Were they broken in bad faith or was it done transparently and in the interests of justice?
12:11Those are the two sides that we are litigating at the moment.
12:15Do you understand that?
12:16Yes, I do.
12:18Let us begin with your initial meeting with Mr. Eaton.
12:23It's been suggested that you led the witness during this conversation.
12:27I think it's important for me to say that I never wanted to meet with Mr. Eaton in the first
12:31place.
12:33He insisted he would only speak with me, so I went along.
12:37And the job is to find out if he was valid.
12:39And to do that, you have to ask some probing questions.
12:44Give me the name of the brothers.
12:47That's hardly a probing question, is it, Mr. Cook?
12:52He wasn't interested in any brothers at all, was he? You gave him the brothers.
12:57I gave him the brothers. I did not give him the name of the brothers.
13:00You were aware at that first meeting of how important it was to preserve the integrity of the process?
13:07And that's what I thought we were doing. It was all recorded.
13:09And we all have the transcripts here before us, but that wasn't my question.
13:15It was a simple question.
13:20Let's try another.
13:21Do you accept that by having direct phone conversations with the witness, you were breaching the sterile corridor system?
13:29Yes, I do, but I would say that this was a particularly difficult set of circumstances.
13:34It wasn't difficult at all. All you had to do was say to this man, I'm sorry, the rules are
13:39I'm not allowed to have direct contact with you.
13:41You have your own witness protection handler. They can sort out any problems you may have.
13:46But from now on, you must not ring me. And if you do, my phone will bar you.
13:50And that is what I did on several occasions.
13:52Did you ever bar Gary Eaton from calling your phone?
13:58It's not always possible on every type of phone.
14:03Are you saying that it's not possible from a Metropolitan Police phone?
14:11It's a terribly simple question.
14:14He changed his number. I didn't know his number.
14:20I'd like to turn now to the issue of your note taking.
14:24My Lord, between August the 23rd and the 16th of September 2006, not one of Mr. Cook's numerous telephone calls
14:33to Eaton appears on the schedule.
14:36Mr. Cook, do you mind telling us how it is that between the 23rd of August and the 16th of
14:42September, you managed to make so many calls without recording any of them?
14:47From memory, the vast majority, if not all, were to do with Mr. Eaton's welfare, his domestic stuff like that,
14:54nuisance stuff.
14:55But you accept, do you not, that the court has no way of knowing what was said during these calls?
15:01I accept that, my Lord, do you mind if I sit down or suffer from vertigo?
15:06Please.
15:08Let us look at tab number nine. We can see top line that the debrief begins on the 1st of
15:16August.
15:17We can see that it's followed the next day by a call which is 15 minutes long.
15:22That one is logged. Then on the 28th of August, there's a nine minute call which is not logged.
15:28Then on the 1st of September, Eaton suddenly changes his story. He says for the first time that he was
15:35at the scene of the murder.
15:37What are you suggesting?
15:39I'm suggesting that that may not be a coincidence, Mr. Cook. I suppose you're going to deny it and say
15:45that it is just a coincidence?
15:47You're going to deny that during these unlogged calls, you were feeding Mr. Eaton his story?
15:53Why would I do that?
15:54This case has been causing the Metropolitan Police untold embarrassment for over two decades.
16:00You were desperate to nail someone. Of course, if you think you have somebody who may be an eyewitness, you
16:05embrace them with both arms.
16:07But you allowed this dishonest, mentally ill man to run riot over your investigation.
16:12Not only that, but you manipulated him because he was easily manipulable and because he was your one way of
16:19bringing this case back to life and ending your career with a real coup.
16:24Isn't that what has gone on here, Mr. Cook?
16:32You could not be father from Richardson.
17:04If you haven't changed your ways.
17:06No chance.
17:07Thanks.
17:09Can you still win?
17:11Now that we lost Gary Eaton the entire case, rest on two witnesses.
17:15Lindsay Wright, Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend who was basically a fucking nightmare.
17:21And James Ward, our original supergrass, was erratic at best.
17:28Nine days they kept me on that stand.
17:31And day one, they really thought I could win.
17:35Hoped.
17:36No, I remember hope.
17:39I'm sorry they did that to you.
17:42You didn't deserve it.
17:43Yeah, maybe I did.
17:47It's all about you.
17:49Can you, um, win?
17:54Journalism isn't about winning or losing.
17:56It's about the gradual erosion of self-worth.
18:01Alan's given the story to Panorama and the New York Times.
18:05And he's probably right, because I can't get anyone to go to court, which means we can't.
18:10I thought I had a way to get to Mulcair's notes.
18:14I thought I was finally getting somewhere, but like everything, I try.
18:20What about Jonathan Rhys?
18:23Surely he's just as bad as Mulcair.
18:25He's on trial, if you haven't noticed.
18:27We raided his house a few years ago.
18:30We found invoices on his desk.
18:32Rhys to Alex Maranchuk and the News of the World.
18:35Now, Rhys went to prison for conspiring to pervert the course of justice,
18:39came out, and went right back into the employee of News of the World,
18:43while Andy Coulson was the editor.
18:46Under Coulson, News of the World employed a convicted criminal.
18:51Now, this fell into your lap, okay?
18:55You can't court me.
18:57You can't name Rhys.
18:59But you can use this to nail them.
19:03This could get you in serious trouble.
19:06I'm already in serious trouble.
19:17So you're calling Jonathan Rhys Mr. A?
19:20I think it's my best pseudonym yet.
19:23Can't name him till after the Morgan trial.
19:25It's very tenuous legally even to hide him under a pseudonym.
19:28His lawyers can claim contempt of court.
19:30Coulson being in government is a contempt.
19:33It's a good story.
19:34Does it stand out?
19:35My source is solid.
19:36Jonathan Rhys was in prison for conspiring to pervert the course of justice.
19:41And the News of the World rehired him.
19:44R3 was released from prison while Coulson was editor.
19:47Feels a good one.
19:48We'll need to give Coulson a right of reply.
19:50Oh, this is the most archaic practice, giving people quotes in articles against them.
19:55It's just free advertising space for their lives.
19:58I think it's necessary.
19:59If we publish his right of reply, we'll be misleading our readers.
20:03Whatever the fight, I think it's better to stick to established journalist practice, don't you?
20:06What would you know about journalism? You're a lawyer.
20:08Nick, could you maybe talk to her with a bit more respect?
20:11Oh, fuck off.
20:12With respect.
20:13Nick, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.
20:15Rufus, sorry, Jill.
20:15I know how vital you are to all this.
20:17Just busy time, busy head.
20:21I'll alert some people.
20:23Go back stairs.
20:25I know this will spread.
20:27The other newspapers, they can't ignore this.
20:29It has to.
20:31Jill?
20:32If he gets the quote from Coulson, I think we can argue public interest.
20:36I agree.
20:38This is good.
20:42Whoever your source is, this is good.
21:04Would it surprise you to know it didn't spread?
21:08All the other newspapers ignored the Mr. A story.
21:17You'll get them next time.
21:24The trouble with next time.
21:29The trouble with...
21:31You'll get them next time.
21:32I don't have it next time.
21:34You stupid child.
21:36Nicholas.
21:37Nicholas, don't be dramatic, Nicholas.
21:40Now, let's get a washcloth for that blood, shall we?
21:43I don't have it next time.
21:54Hi, Nick Davis.
21:56Nick, it's Joe Becker.
21:58New York Times.
21:59Oh, yeah.
22:00Bye.
22:01It's now not a good time.
22:03No, it's fine.
22:04How can I help?
22:05We're going to publish.
22:07Great.
22:08What?
22:09Sean Hoare is going on the record.
22:11He's a genuine insider.
22:13Oh, more than that, he's Coulson's friend.
22:15They worked the Celebrity Bazaar column that Coulson made his name on.
22:19What did he say?
22:20Well, he talked about Coulson a lot.
22:23I had a good relationship with him, is it guys?
22:26Yeah, I'm not going to do what the fuck I wanted.
22:27It's nice.
22:27I came in with a good story.
22:31The brief was...
22:34I don't give a fuck.
22:37The news of the world meeting, sir, more fun than Guardian ones.
22:40You're not wrong.
22:42But I asked him.
22:44Did he know what's going on, Coulson?
22:47New York Times over here on this side.
22:49Yes.
22:50Oh.
22:52Why?
22:52We want to investigate whether an ethical line has been crossed.
22:56I don't know why you sound like the Guardian.
22:58You don't think the Guardian are valid?
23:00I think the Guardian are being beautiful beings, gazing down from their mighty high horses of pie as fucks.
23:06You know, but the thing about you, you see, is that you're...
23:11You're foreign.
23:13It's not like you.
23:20I personally played voicemail recordings to the bastard when we worked together at the Sun and the Screws.
23:27You played recordings to Coulson.
23:31Sean?
23:33Is that on the record?
23:48I want a New York Mets top.
23:50I'm sorry?
23:52I want a New York Mets top, and then it's on the record.
23:57Okay.
23:59Yeah?
24:01Sure.
24:02Great.
24:05So won't you say we go completely crazy and have another orange juice?
24:22This is very good.
24:24I don't think they made clear the link with Coulson.
24:28It's good journalism, but it's not...
24:29I love an intimate party, Nick, but it is nice, don't you think?
24:33To have at least some other people who want to be there.
24:36This is the New York Times.
24:38It's going to be a lot harder to fight us both.
24:41This matters.
24:47It was an extremely good piece.
24:49It...
24:50The way it...
24:51It was extremely good.
24:52And what happened next?
24:54Alan was right.
24:55It made everybody braver.
24:58Celebrities began to look up.
24:59For instance, Charlotte Harris began to get somewhere with a client, football agent Sky Andrew.
25:03They offered him £200,000 a year and £1.2 million in free advertising for a charity if you drop
25:09his case.
25:10And?
25:10He said no.
25:12People were willing to fight.
25:13Most unusual people.
25:15Hi, Nick Davis.
25:16Max Mosley.
25:17I'm a fan of your work.
25:19Then Max Mosley did something extraordinary.
25:22To be clear, we didn't meet at the Guardian, but this setting will do.
25:25I'd like to back, financially, anyone wishing to bring a case against the news of the world.
25:31Indemnify them against costs and damages.
25:34Max, that could be millions.
25:37I'm guessing you saw it.
25:39Nazi sex orgy.
25:41Photos of me.
25:43It was not Nazi.
25:45It was consenting.
25:46But they didn't care.
25:48I sued.
25:49I got a small reward.
25:51I survived.
25:53My son.
25:55Didn't.
25:57A heroine overdosed one year after the story was published.
26:03I'm sorry?
26:05They can attack us when our children are damaged.
26:11But are you sure that this is what you want to spend your fortune on?
26:16You underestimate my fortune, Mr. Davis.
26:20And my anger.
26:22The world started to unfurl before us.
26:26The strategy started to work.
26:28Allies were...
26:30Well, not exactly everywhere, but...
26:33Gathering.
26:34And then...
26:35The game changed.
26:37Mark Thompson got in touch.
26:38His client, AZP.
26:39Do you remember AZP?
26:40Well, apparently she loved the New York Times piece and the Mr. A story.
26:44And she wanted to meet.
26:45Oh, and...
26:47AZP.
26:48She is.
26:49Sienna Miller.
26:50Meet Nick Davis.
26:51Pleasure to meet you.
26:52Yes.
26:53Actor.
26:54Tabloid magnet.
26:56Our ace card.
26:57He knows it's coming.
26:59Everyone's been whispering to her to stop.
27:02All of Hollywood.
27:03Some roles are being withdrawn.
27:06Others are being promised if she just lets it go.
27:10You've decided to keep fighting.
27:12They've also said they've told me that there is more muck on me they'd use, which is...
27:18I mean, probably true.
27:20But I mean, how can they print anything worse?
27:23All the papers are after her.
27:25Can I ask, Sienna, can I ask what happened?
27:30I can't go into the details.
27:34And I really don't want to pry, but what were they digging for?
27:45Seemingly, anything about me is interesting.
27:49The restaurants I go to, what I wear, people I meet.
27:54But it seems their attention was particularly grabbed by, I got pregnant.
28:08And I had a decision to make.
28:13You understand?
28:18And at that time, when you're dealing with that, you need people that you can trust.
28:24And I didn't trust anyone.
28:27I thought that they were all selling stories about me because they knew everything.
28:33And I couldn't work out why.
28:35I couldn't work out why anything I told my friends or family was being leaked.
28:41I thought, I mean, I started to, um...
28:47Yeah.
28:52I, uh...
28:56The number of people that I trusted grew smaller and smaller until there was almost no one at all.
29:03I didn't know which way was up.
29:04Not anymore.
29:05I drank too much, did all the wrong things.
29:08Damaged my career, damaged myself.
29:11And they feasted on it.
29:13Was this Mulcair?
29:15We don't know.
29:16We don't know who was doing what.
29:18All we know is the results of it.
29:21The thing that I was most, um...
29:25Sorry about was that I, um...
29:29I damaged my family.
29:34Once it was all, um...
29:42I only basically told my mum.
29:46Yeah.
29:49And they still found out.
29:52And they published, and I thought it was her.
29:57But the things I said to her, you know...
30:04It must have been horrible.
30:07But I missed it up to you.
30:09I chose all this.
30:10It's not their fault.
30:11It's in the public interest.
30:15We're taking this all the way.
30:17Good.
30:25We're going to have to disclose this.
30:27I'm afraid we've no choice.
30:29But I ain't done nothing.
30:31Lindsay.
30:32Your entire search history's here.
30:34You can see what you searched, and when you searched it.
30:37But...
30:38I'm allowed to be curious, and I...
30:41Not against the law to be curious.
30:42Look, you're accusing Jimmy Cook of over 30 separate murders.
30:50And each time you change a statement and say you remember a new murder,
30:53it comes off the back of an internet search
30:55on how to commit that particular type of murder.
30:58Disclosing this means that we can no longer put you forward as a witness of truth.
31:04And I'm afraid, Lindsay,
31:06I'm afraid we lost the only other witness who had evidence on Jimmy.
31:10It's your statement.
31:14That was all the prosecution had to go on.
31:17James Frederick William Cook.
31:20Stand, please.
31:23I direct a verdict of not guilty in respect of count one,
31:28and you are now free to go.
31:34No, no, no, no, no.
31:37Wifey.
31:38Oh, shit.
31:40I'm now number one target, you know that.
31:42How could you let this happen?
31:45How could you let this happen?
31:59How could you let this happen?
32:01You take sugar?
32:02Uh, just half.
32:05And a splash of milk.
32:07Thanks.
32:12So, how long have you been here, then?
32:14Moved in a while ago.
32:17I know, I just have no time to...
32:21There's a sofa coming.
32:23Thanks.
32:25Yeah, I was actually pretty choked when I heard.
32:36I heard you and Vicky got married, that's great.
32:38We invited you to the wedding, but you never RSVP'd.
32:42Did you?
32:45I'm so, I'm so sorry, it's just a...
32:48I've been, I've been busy, frantic, work, life.
32:52Yeah, I'm not.
32:53It's what you get for having friends who are coppers.
32:55They disappear on you for years on end.
32:59So, Sto Pals.
33:04But that's not why you're here.
33:06You want something.
33:07Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian have been in touch with us at Panorama.
33:11It's the hacking stuff, but there's also this story on Jonathan Rhys that they've been pushing.
33:15I know you've been on Daniel Morgan, so Rhys is your bag, right?
33:22Look, I'm sorry, we can talk about other things.
33:25I'll take my BBC hat off.
33:28Genuinely, wanted to see you.
33:32How are you?
33:34No.
33:36Hoping.
33:39Oh, that's strange.
33:42A house without kids.
33:44Pretty quiet.
33:48I think I need to get better at filling in the time.
33:56We should be aiming for a coalition of lawyers.
33:59Coalition?
34:00I mean, government, no.
34:01I have other friendly lawyers with very high-profile clients.
34:03Yeah, I do actually know who you're talking to.
34:04With the Sky Andrew case, progressing under your watch, you're still not accepting their terms.
34:08No.
34:08Max Mosley has promised to financially back any client who comes forward.
34:12Surely we can encourage them all to come forward now.
34:14Nick, breathe.
34:15Okay.
34:17You are constantly swaying between utter despair and this.
34:22It's exhausting.
34:23The law takes time.
34:25We are building something.
34:27Let it fucking build.
34:28Stop worrying about the New York Times getting there before you.
34:30This is your case.
34:31I'm worried about the New York Times.
34:33I don't have Sienna Miller as a client.
34:35You don't have Sean Hall in your pocket, but we are all working together.
34:39Stop doing that thing with your hands.
34:42I have another one for you.
34:43A former politician.
34:45Apparently, he's had sight of Mulcair's notebook.
34:48I've been reluctant to share him because I think he's tricky, but you want everyone.
34:56What I'm interested in is in Mulcair's notebooks.
35:00I have no interest in what it shows.
35:01There will be a name at the top corner of the notes, which is the name of someone at the
35:05News of the World.
35:06Have you read what the Guardian has written about me about this case?
35:11Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case which became a perjury case, the process of disclosure on which allowed him access to
35:18Mulcair and to his paperwork.
35:21And he's right.
35:23The Guardian haven't been kind about it.
35:24What I'm looking to do is to build a case against Andy Coulson and the culture of the News of
35:29the World, that the hacking was endemic.
35:31Yes, there's a name.
35:32No, you can't see it.
35:33And you certainly can't print it.
35:35I don't trust journalists, Nick.
35:38Not anymore.
35:39Okay, the name is important because it undermines the one rogue reporter argument, which Coulson keeps hiding behind.
35:46The more editors and senior journalists we can implicate, the more we show them lying.
35:59Greg Muskew.
36:02Greg Muskew, are you sure?
36:04I didn't tell you.
36:06You're not printing it.
36:07Greg Muskew was news editor, later assistant editor.
36:10He's retired now, but he reported directly to Coulson.
36:13I know who Greg Muskew is, Nick.
36:14Do you know how significant this is?
36:15This could blow the lid off.
36:16This has to be off the record.
36:26Do I understand that you're representing yourself in Coulson?
36:29Yes.
36:30What if I was to help you?
36:32Go on.
36:33There's very little I know a lot about, but this issue is one of them.
36:37I could feed you questions, help with your research, all for nothing.
36:40For the name of the notebook.
36:41That name is dynamite.
36:42Greg Muskew is dynamite.
36:44And you can print it because it's been stated in court.
36:46And have an idea of who you should call as a witness.
36:51Go on.
36:52Andy Coulson.
36:56You're a traitor.
36:59Start by asking him about Greg Muskew.
37:02He'll deny any knowledge.
37:04Mr. Coulson, these are the written notes of the former News of the World employee, Glenn Mulcair.
37:11Contractor, not employee.
37:13Mr. Coulson, do you recognize the name in the top left-hand corner of the page?
37:18It says Greg.
37:19This is the big one.
37:21Do you think that name refers to the former assistant editor, Greg Muskew?
37:26No.
37:27Not to my knowledge, no.
37:28Do you have any knowledge of Greg Muskew ordering Glenn Mulcair to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone?
37:34Are you telling me that you never ordered or were unaware of Greg Muskew ordering Mr. Mulcair to tap my
37:40phone?
37:41No.
37:42I had absolutely no knowledge of it.
37:44And I certainly didn't instruct anyone to do anything of the type.
37:48Interesting.
37:49Because Sean Hall in the New York Times stated that he played you hacked voicemails.
37:56I remain confident there is no evidence to support Mr. Hall's accusations.
38:00That's my position.
38:00Do you have any comment on why Mr. Hall would have made those accusations?
38:04You should ask Mr. Hall.
38:05How bad was the culture in your newspaper?
38:07I don't accept there was any culture of phone hacking at the news of the world.
38:12There was one unfortunate case involving Clive Goodman.
38:16And no one was more sorry about it than me.
38:20And that's why I resigned.
38:23Tommy Sheridan?
38:25We got Muskew's name out there.
38:27It wasn't enough, but we're rattling Coulson's cage.
38:31Well, let's see if this sends him over the edge.
38:34This was lodged in the High Court this morning.
38:36Worth mentioning, in real life, he made me go to the courthouse to pick this up myself.
38:41Possibly not worth mentioning.
38:43Mulcair blagged her phone number.
38:45I changed my phone twice, and somehow they always got it.
38:49It wasn't just her phone they were inside of.
38:50They targeted Sienna's mother, her boyfriend, his assistant, her publicist.
38:55We analyzed my itemized phone bills, and then we used them
38:58to force the police to hand over calls made by Mulcair.
39:01The police were sitting on this information for four years, I'll remind you.
39:05John Yates.
39:07Four years.
39:08And then we linked them to the news of the world stories.
39:12There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
39:16A name we haven't had before.
39:18A name that could change everything.
39:21Tell me the name.
39:24Ian Edmondson.
39:25Ian Edmondson?
39:27He reported directly to Coulson.
39:28Ian Edmondson is the current news editor of the news of the world.
39:48That is a culture.
39:51A culture Coulson has created.
39:53We can't survive this.
40:01Just heard.
40:02Good word, Nick.
40:29Sheridan?
40:30Oh, Nick.
40:31They couldn't get through to you, so, well, I don't know how.
40:34Is it the kid?
40:35No, no, no.
40:38It's about your father.
40:40God, I'm so sorry, Nick.
40:58Yeah, Graham.
40:59I found two crates in an old DPS office.
41:03A cleaner found them.
41:05It's old evidence on James Ward.
41:10But we told the judge we declared everything on Ward.
41:15I'm sorry.
41:19How about that?
41:23Now this is the end, right?
41:26Do you want the official answer or the honest answer?
41:29We don't survive this.
41:34I don't understand.
41:36How can they accuse us of withholding evidence when you didn't even know that the crates existed?
41:42It was a disused police building.
41:44Nothing to do with your team, right?
41:46Yeah.
41:48The office was locked for years.
41:49Nobody knew anything about it.
41:52But even if we could make the case that we weren't withholding the files,
41:57the contents,
41:59the details about James Ward that he didn't originally disclose to us...
42:04If we'd have had the files earlier, we may have been able to deal with it.
42:09But all of it together, it's years and years and years gone.
42:25It's like everyone forgot all the people in that court.
42:32This was supposed to be about Daniel.
43:07It was complicated, but I really love him.
43:16The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
43:19He makes me lie down in green pastures.
43:22He leads me beside still waters.
43:25He restores my soul.
43:28He leads me in right paths for his name's sake.
43:32Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I fear no evil.
43:36For you are with me.
43:38Your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
43:41You prepare a table before me.
43:43In the presence of my enemies.
43:47Surely, goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life.
43:52And I shall dwell in the house of the Lord my whole life long.
44:06Hi.
44:12On the 14th of January 2011, Rebecca Brooks asked her secretary to find somewhere discreet for her to meet Andy
44:20Coulson.
44:21She did so the next day at 7.45am at the Hawken Hotel in Belgravia.
44:27We don't know what Brooks said to Coulson during that meeting, but we do know that on the 21st of
44:31January, Andy Coulson resigned.
44:35He said, unfortunately, continued coverage of events connected to my old job.
44:40At the News of the World has made it difficult for me to give the 110% needed in this
44:45role.
44:45I stand by what I said about those events.
44:48But when a spokesman needs a spokesman, it's time to move on.
45:08This is the end of a long, as I am sure everyone associated with this case will agree, exhausting road.
45:16In all the years that I have been a judge, I have never come across a case in which there
45:22have been so many issues or such complex issues to be resolved before a trial could even get underway.
45:29The family will inevitably be disappointed by the outcome, but they, I think, should be commended on the dignity with
45:41which they have faced these proceedings.
45:44Mr. Rees, Mr. Fillory, Mr. Glenn Vian, Mr. Gary Vian, please stand.
45:56You are free to go.
45:59Verdicts of not guilty have been entered in all of your cases.
46:05Thank you all.
46:11Court rise.
46:19Your dad.
46:21Yep.
46:23He was a nice man.
46:25You didn't know him.
46:27You made him sound nice.
46:35And to Andy Coulson, may he disappear and never come back.
46:45I may as well tell you we're reporting it tomorrow.
46:50Murdoch's going for full control of B-Sky B.
46:53I did hear it was possible.
46:58If he gets that, he'll be able to leverage a serious amount of debt.
47:01Buy more.
47:03Buy bigger.
47:04We're talking world domination.
47:07Why are you telling me this?
47:11To remind you it's not over.
47:15Remind me that they cut Coulson loose to save on their B-Sky B business.
47:20It's all a false victory.
47:23Not false at all.
47:25Dissection is a slow process.
47:27We tackle them.
47:29One limb at a time.
47:31And eventually they run out of limbs.
47:35Don't they?
47:38Oh, I'm tired.
47:40I don't want to go home.
47:42Agreed.
47:43We rest.
47:44We lick our wounds.
47:45We take stock.
47:47No, I don't.
47:52I don't think so.
47:53I think on this story, I think you need to find someone to take over.
47:58Sometimes you need to know when to stop.
48:04It's time to stop.
48:05I need to stop.
48:09I'm sorry.
48:11I don't think so.
48:11I don't think so.
48:12I don't think so.
48:13I don't think so.
48:14I don't think so.
48:15I don't think so.
48:17I don't think so.
48:17I don't think so.
48:18I don't think so.
48:21I don't think so.
48:22I don't think so.
48:23I don't think so.
48:25I don't think so.
48:27I don't think so.
48:28I don't think so.
48:28I don't think so.
48:29I don't think so.
48:29I don't think so.
48:30I don't think so.
48:30I don't think so.
48:31I don't think so.
48:31I don't think so.
48:31I don't think so.
48:33I don't think so.
48:34I don't think so.
48:36I don't think so.
48:37I don't think so.
48:42And I thought a bit of fresh air might be in order.
48:45Oh, I'm fine.
48:46Well, you're not.
48:48I'm alright.
48:50No, you're not, mate.
48:53Someone I want you to meet.
48:55He helped me.
48:57I think he can help you.
49:00Get showered, get dressed.
49:01Not leaving until you do it.
49:05I'm serious.
49:10Okay.
49:40Well, they're here.
49:45Go in.
49:47David Cook, Gordon Brown.
49:49Gordon Brown, David Cook.
49:50I know a lot about you, DCS Cook.
49:52I appreciate you coming all this way.
49:55It's no problem.
49:57I'm interested to hear more about what's happened to you.
49:59I, uh, I think I might be able to help.
50:06We'll see you then.
50:07I'll see you then.
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