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00:00I understand right now why the prevailing take is it's going to be Deshaun versus Shador,
00:04but to the extent that people are like, there's no chance, it's like, I don't think I would do
00:08that with this team. I think with other teams, maybe it's a safe bet. I think with this team,
00:12they just thrown you for too many wild cards in the past. See the major decisions that have
00:16happened under Andrew Barry in the recent year or so, and I'd show you the draft where he then
00:21just completely threw everybody for a curveball and did not take Travis Hunter like everyone
00:24thought he was going to. And then I would take you to Todd Munkin being the head coach. Like he
00:29just, the man just likes to swerve and throw everybody off. And so, yeah, I think you're
00:33right. I don't think anything's out of the question. Now it's been a couple of days since
00:37we, uh, we've checked back in on the six versus 24. What are the Browns going to do in the
00:42first
00:42round? It should be noted with a Jalen Waddle trade. Now, uh, five teams have multiple picks
00:48in the first round of this draft, including, uh, the chiefs, the dolphins, and I'm not going
00:54to finish the rest because, Oh, the jets, the Browns, and there's one other cowboys, cowboys.
00:58I was very unconfident for literally no reason. However, uh, and it should be noted, Daniel
01:05Jeremiah put out a mock draft today, uh, saying Carnell Tate at six and Caleb, uh, Lomu at
01:11Lomu. I don't know why I keep so damn hard at 24 yet. Although people are, I think that
01:17one's safe to say they're accusing him of having T-Rex arms, which is like the worst thing
01:22you can say about tackles. Little baby arms. Will Campbell. I got it. I just got to know who's
01:26got the longer reach. Will Campbell or Caleb Lomu. You know, I'm sure we can, we can look
01:31this up. I mean, this is all very researchable. It is. I wouldn't do it. I, that sounds people
01:36are going to see what kind of websites you're on. Jonathan, if I, this is a word computer
01:40reach, we're using the wifi here. I think this is safe. We've done a lot of things that aren't
01:43safe. I think this one might be safe. I did. I, I, I messaged somebody about, uh, the,
01:48the 2.1 pounds of marijuana. Oh yeah. What they come up, uh, come back with. So that
01:54what, what they told me is, uh, cause they might grow their own. They might not. I don't
01:57know. Said, uh, it's been an ounce per plant ounce per plant. If you have six plants and
02:03that takes care of you for a year, 2.1 pounds. Again, it would make Snoop Dogg blush. I mean,
02:09that just, that seems like that's all, that's an awful lot. Uh, all right. Will Campbell's
02:12got the shorter reach. See his is 32 and five eights. Wamu is a 33 and three eights. I've
02:19heard basically if you clear 33 inches arms, if you're a left, it doesn't seem like that
02:22big of a deal. If we're being honest about it. But while we're on the topic of what do
02:27you do? Where do you get the tackle? This has actually been, I know Ryan Wilson attacked
02:31this on the morning show today. And then Joel Klatt was just on up and Adams talking about
02:36the idea of whether you can overdraft the one guy with prototypical left tackle
02:41measurables in Monroe Freeling out of Georgia. The ones that are doing it right, select the
02:46best football player and they put them on their roster and then they become the best football
02:51players in the NFL. And the teams that get stuck into, they have to fit the mold and they have
02:58to be the right value at the right pick and have their whole equation and this and that
03:03they end up reaching and taking players that, that don't pan out. I'm a big believer that I'm
03:09a more of a best available versus area of need. You know, like the Browns are going to be stuck
03:14in this one. I think the sixth pick in the draft is going to be the most interesting pick in
03:18the draft
03:19because I think that the Browns are going to get themselves stuck to the point where they,
03:23they desperately want and need to take an offensive tackle. I gave them Monroe Freeling,
03:29who's the best left tackle in the draft because he's a natural left tackle. Whereas the two best
03:33tackles in the draft, Francis Maui Noah and Spencer Fano are more right tackles. And I could just see
03:40Cleveland doing something like just reaching on a left tackle just because he plays left tackle.
03:45So I think in a lot of our conversations about six and 24, this is at the heart of my
03:51fear of
03:53locking yourself into specific positions. Cause I think the thing that I've seen Baltimore do when
03:58Baltimore's had their ridiculous drafts are all the guys that everybody else kind of let slide for
04:04whether it's positional value or, uh, you know, not the right, this, that, the other, the Ravens
04:10just snap up. They don't overthink it. They just draft the best player that fits in what they want to
04:14do. Right. But the Ravens also aren't taking a number six overall too. And I think that changes
04:17the dynamic for this and this conversation. Like at six, if you have a need, you can easily address
04:23it because there's going to be enough, whether that's wide receiver or offensive line. And now we're
04:28going to have the discussion about offensive line. If there isn't actually enough, when we first
04:31started this, it was a debate between three different guys on the offensive line and then
04:34three different wide receivers. And it's like, all right, well I get best player available. I
04:38understand it, but you need, you need help on the offense. And this is a different set of
04:41circumstances than what you typically would find. And so if you want to take offensive tackle out of
04:46the board, because you think it's a reach, I'll meet you on that. Uh, but there's enough good
04:50wide receivers here that you can still take and you can address both things, a need and best
04:54player available. Yeah. So the wide receiver thing's interesting because there's not
04:57a Jamar chase, meaning like there's not one guy above all. So you are going to get into a debate
05:03of, are you taking the best wide receiver? Are you just taking the guy you like the most? Sure. So
05:07there's a little room there for, we look up three years from now and the best wide receiver in this
05:13draft when 24th or 22nd, like Justin Jefferson. Yeah. It happens more than people think, but I'm
05:18still more comfortable with that. And it's weird because I don't want to just take left tackle or take
05:23tackle off the board. But the way that you've done this, it does feel like left tackle or bust
05:29at either six or 24. And I, I really worry about that kind of logic because as of right now,
05:36like
05:36even Monroe Freeling, like he's the one guy with left tackle measurables, everybody else it's, well,
05:42he might be a left guard or he might be a right guard or he might be a center, right?
05:46That's the whole
05:46conundrum of this tackle class in general. And yet, if you look at the actual tape, Monroe Freeling is the
05:52rawest guy and he's not guaranteed to start week one. And that if you're drafting a guy,
05:58that's a project at six, that is the quickest way to shoot yourself in a foot long time.
06:02No, it's a real problem. And so that's why I can respect what Joel is saying in the lead up
06:06to what
06:06he's saying, but then he did the same thing that a lot of people think the Browns are going to
06:09do
06:10anyway, which is he still slotted Monroe Freeling in at number six. He did this whole big grandiose thing.
06:15And I thought after that, it was going to come out and be like, well, Caleb Downs is what you're
06:18taking
06:18at number six now, but he did that whole big everything to then, to then take Monroe Freeling
06:23anyway. So I saw a mock the other day. I can't remember who did it, but it was one of
06:26the big
06:27mock draft guys. You see like 12 a day now. And they had David Bailey and Ruben Bain going right
06:33after you. Yeah. I actually, they went eight and nine. So they went to the saints and the Bengals,
06:39which I feel like I see Bain dropping in back of six, but I never really see, I don't see
06:43the other.
06:43I was surprised a little bit as well, but I think maybe he might get, he might be typically top
06:49five. He might be the guy that gets market corrected by two things. One, Arvel Reese shooting up
06:54everybody's draft board. And two, I've seen a lot of people mocking Jeremiah Love to Tennessee at four.
07:00So they, they think the Jeremiah Love hype is hit something I find very interesting because
07:05everyone you talk to, they, they believe that he is a Saquon level talent. Like they think better
07:11than what you saw Ashton Genty with. And the things people were talking about Ashton Genty last year
07:16was this guy. You don't see guys like this. And that's, I find that so fascinating that Jeremiah
07:20Love is at that orbit. I mean, there, there are people who have him as the best, the number one
07:25player on their board. Yeah. I mean, I, from a, just a pure football standpoint, the, the arguments
07:29people are making when you bring Saquon's name into the mix and then even Genty's name into the mix
07:34is that is a, that is a creme de la creme type guy. Now my working theory on it is
07:39it's the Jets and
07:39Cardinals trying to get people to trade up. Everybody wants to trade down. And that's
07:44why when, when Browns fans go, well, I'll trade down and then take the best wide receiver attack
07:48available later in the draft. It's like, I think if somebody is going to move up in this
07:53draft, it's, I don't think it's going to be from 12 or 13 up. I think it's going to be
07:58someone's jumping from 26 or 27 and they're jumping up to six or to three or to two. And that,
08:06that might be the only way you get your 20, 27 first. And even then I'm not convinced
08:11it's going to happen because everybody's idea here is we're going to try and trade down.
08:15Yeah. What's interesting is how many people are locked into either Monroe Freeling or
08:18Carnell Tate right now. And I, I was, I'm on board with the Carnell Tate thing. Uh, Monroe
08:23Freeling thing. I just find to be fascinating. I, maybe I just got to watch more of him.
08:26We've done a lot of talking about him, but it really feels like everyone else thinks he
08:29should be in like that 12 to 15 range. And we're just putting them up there at six.
08:32So I think this is where I have to declare, cause I've been an absolute chicken bleep.
08:37Yeah. I really have. I just, with, with, in what regard? Well, you've hard lined wide
08:42receiver and left tackle. Yeah. Yeah. And I get that. Well, it was offensive line or wide
08:46receiver, but now it's turned into, it's basically turned into that. Yeah. I think you really have
08:50to see the way the board falls at the first five picks. Cause I don't think, I think Caleb
08:56down should be a real discussion at six. And I think if Dale, uh, David Bailey or Ruben
09:00Bain are there, I honestly think it like miles is going to be 30 years old. If we look to
09:06the next 10 years, he might be here for half that time. Who knows? He could ask out in a
09:11year. Uh, so I don't think he can ever have enough edge rushers. You are light on the edge
09:16anyways, post your top three edge rushers. And the draft is about building for the next
09:21three to five years. And I think taking a blue chipper. And I do think David Bailey is Ruben
09:26Bain, I think is negotiable. Uh, even though he's a game wrecker in college, I think we
09:31really have to be a hell of a lot more open to best player available. Like I really, I
09:35don't think it's an expense. Uh, it was a needless expenditure to draft a blue chip player. If
09:41you've got the sixth pick and if that's Maui Noah, then take Maui Noah, I'd be damned
09:46where the guy plays. If he's a blue chip player, you need elite players in the NFL. And if that's
09:51an edge rusher, you should take him. No one's ever been like, Oh, thank God we passed on
09:56that great edge rusher. That's one of the core positions that I think you have to really
10:01be in on. I almost understand passing on Caleb downs. Cause it's a non premier position where
10:07it's in, you know, it's seen as like, so that's part of it. And that's, it's kind of
10:10the hangup I've always had when it comes to the downs discussion is that if you're going
10:14to use someone at six, I just, I need you to use a premium position. And so like, we never
10:18really talked Bailey because Bailey was never really in the conversation for the Browns
10:22at six. He'd always been taken somewhere between two to four. And it just was what it was.
10:25If you're telling me it's an edge defender, someone that somebody that can get after the
10:29quarterback and somebody that is going to one day cost you 40 plus million dollars a
10:33year. That's not a bad bet. All things considered. I have a problem when it's safety. I have a problem
10:38when it's a non-premium position, but if you tell me this guy is a basic, no one's miles
10:43Garrett, but you tell me he's going to be miles Garrett light and you're not, and for five
10:47years you get 40 plus million dollar value. That's a different conversation. All right.
10:51Can I test this theory with one other premier position that I think might be on the table
10:55that we're not talking about? I sure. You got to be open to whatever my answer is, but
10:58yeah. Corner. If a Jermon McCoy or again, like I don't, a lot of those guys are seen as the
11:05middle of this round. Yeah. I haven't, I mean, I need to know who you're talking about specifically
11:08because I haven't seen, I haven't seen a corner mocked to the Browns or anywhere close to
11:12top six. I've definitely seen them mocked to the Browns at 24 to 39. No, I haven't seen
11:17at six, but I've seen McCoy go as high as nine to Kansas city. So, but you're talking just 24
11:24then? No, I'm talking at six or 24. Cause I, to me, cornerback has become an edge is still,
11:30or sorry, pass rusher is still the most important thing I can find on, on the defense right up there
11:36on the offensive side with an elite quarterback, wide receiver, left tackle. Yes. The corner,
11:42the premium positions right under there. Yes. Corner falls into that same umbrella of premium
11:46position. You pay a ton for corners the same way you pay a ton for defensive ends, the same way
11:50you
11:50pay a ton, uh, for your quarterbacks, your wide receivers. Those are the big, those are the big
11:55main ones when we talk about these discussions.
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