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00:00hi what's up kenny i don't want to start off yelling might end up starting off yelling
00:10i'm fighting it here i got really i started texting the show group last night what was that
00:15about seven o'clock when i got home and i was in a bad bad mood really bad not not
00:23sad
00:25aggravated agitated mood about what uh what what the state of everything going on is uh we were
00:31called out by another show that coming up at 643 i'm not even upset with them i'm not because i
00:36think
00:37again i hate to point this out that and i got i get slammed for it a couple of weeks
00:42ago because
00:42i'm like i think a lot of people agree with nick i i just don't think you want to see
00:46his i i think
00:46there's a lot of people who don't want to see it the way he sees it but i i can't
00:50deny the truth
00:50that i think a lot of people think the way that nicks think and especially when what happens
00:54sunday happens sunday however do we have to
01:04just because i don't want to do something irresponsible
01:08doesn't mean i want to tank just because i don't want to tank doesn't mean i want to do
01:15something irresponsible and i don't understand why it has to be one of the two extremes i
01:20don't i don't get it i don't know why we have to be from one extreme to the other on
01:25this
01:26it agitates me it's starting to boil my guts it's really bothering me like two clips of audio on our
01:33station threw me to either side wildly emotionally yesterday afternoon to a point where i'm just like
01:40why why am i being yelled at for wanting to be practical here like do we not know like i
01:46i guess
01:46this is just my time to to be the bad guy on this like our situation is is not great
01:52like
01:53the robert mays on what's his podcast we found emory hunt who loves the what the bronze did in
01:59free agency what did robert mays do on his podcast the athletic football podcast i think it is he said
02:04he saw we took a step back yeah he thought we took a step back in free agency the athletic
02:08football show
02:08how a five win team that spends that much money in free agency on the offensive line could take a
02:14step
02:14back not saying that robert mays is wrong saying that well there's definitely people out there who
02:19don't like what we did and there's definitely always going to be be people who don't like what
02:22we did so that's a scary scenario so i i throw this out and i go guys it's not about
02:28leadership of
02:29cults it's not about being blinded by my fandom of his father it's about what this situation is and how
02:38i i've tried to say this the entire time and i think a lot of people have i thought a
02:42lot of
02:42people responded to it and understood where it's like i don't want to go any further into hawk
02:47based on guys that i'm not passionate about so i got one of two things i guess i gotta ask
02:52you today
02:52because i'm a man without a country here tone do i need to open i need people to give me
02:58a passionate
02:59strong argument about ty simpson i'm gonna play some cynthia freeland for everybody but i if you really
03:04want them i'm gonna need a passionate strong argument to talk me into this situation well
03:08you're not gonna get it for me okay and then on the other side i need a passionate strong argument
03:14even though i've laid out so much evidence in the nfl if we were talking calves nba different story
03:21and even in major league baseball it seems to be uh going in the right direction when it comes to
03:25that sort of stuff but in the nfl when it's been proven time and time and time again that just
03:31simply losing and i'm gonna use your words against you here any idiot can tear a franchise down just
03:37by simply losing is going to make things better i don't want to do that either i just look at
03:42the
03:42natural order of things and go guys still not going to be that good regardless if he finds a way
03:48to raise
03:48the stakes of the cleveland browns then you find your quarterback if he doesn't which not a lot of us
03:53think that he can and not a lot of us think that he will then we just we march on
03:57to 2027 i don't
03:59understand why that is such a controversial thing to say i don't get it because it's not what's what
04:04what is the big deal i'm being told i'm afraid to take risks and i go i'm not afraid to
04:11take risks i
04:12just i don't trust the people taking the risks if we're going to take those risks well give me a
04:17risk what would be a risk give me one well let's hear let's hear cynthia freeland here because i consider
04:22this a risk this is on afternoon drive cynthia freeland nfl network knows all the ins and outs and what
04:27have yous on the browns maybe taking a qb high and if you're looking at prediction markets which
04:33they can be wrong but prediction markets sometimes are that sometimes they've been right often they've
04:38been right and they seem to think that the browns will be drafting a quarterback very high that will
04:43start this year so if you want a piece of hope perhaps prediction markets is a source of hope for
04:48that i think when you're looking at the opportunity to like as the rest of the aft north resets it
04:55would
04:55be a great time to bring a new quarterback in and i would be pretty sure that i'm pretty sure
05:00everyone that works for the browns front office is looking for that person you know i i don't know
05:04if they have it in mind yet or not but i don't know i think you're going to get your
05:08wish if i had
05:09to just based on some things that i saw at the combine and and conversations that i had
05:16i'm not blaming her i almost slammed the phone down when i watched that piece of audio yesterday
05:22online why why would that agitate you so much you hear more than interview 92 3 the fan.com
05:27for those just watching maybe the first day on the show we we have two very different bars on
05:33what agitates us i just listen to that and i say yeah yeah i mean they they would like to
05:37upgrade
05:37their quarterback room that would not be the way that i would want to upgrade the quarterback so you
05:40should be agitated shouldn't you but they also be agitated well it you got to think about it the way
05:44anybody outside of cleveland would be looking at it too is we had the worst arguably the worst
05:49quarterback room last year and most people around the league don't think you know a fifth round pick
05:55from last year's draft is going to turn it around so you've got to every year take as many stabs
06:00as
06:00you can to try to improve it now didn't sam howell start a year for the uh washington commanders and
06:05then that bridged them over to jay jayden daniels i'm not up on my commander's history meredith isn't
06:10here she would know better than me uh i'm not up on my commander's history i thought that's the way
06:14it
06:14went like sam howell i thought was a fifth round pick and then he i think they wanted him to
06:20start
06:20a season i got to go back and look at that right off the top of my head i'm not
06:23sure if i'm correct
06:24about that like it's not but to me i don't think it's it's it's not happened before my issue is
06:29that
06:29if you take that guy like you have to invest in that guy and i don't want to invest in
06:34him i don't
06:35think it's worth it for him i don't think it's worth it for us are you talking about the investment
06:38in just the pick or what else because you're trying to build around any of the quarterbacks i'm talking
06:44six pick is what i mean is that not what she's stating here a very high pick here with the
06:48quarterback position obviously i would not endorse that decision and i don't think there are many
06:54in the football world that would believe that shouldn't you be trying to use your microphone
06:58to talk people out of this idea i don't think it's an idea that the browns would even
07:02would even explore i think i think they go to the combine and they make it seem like they could
07:06be in
07:06on every everybody i mean look at the reporting that comes out every year about the browns it's i could
07:11be in on this guy they could be on that guy they could be on that but you don't feel
07:14it's 10
07:15different it's 10 different alternatives every single year you don't feel it necessary to use
07:20your voice to make sure that they don't run into this mistake to do whatever you can to make sure
07:28to voice your opinion i don't think your your your emotions i i don't think it's within the realm of
07:34possibilities that simpson it's you didn't think it was within the realm of possibilities until a month
07:39before the a couple of weeks before the draft that they would take baker mayfield number one
07:42overall you remember the meeting we had we sat in andy ross office i go anthony they're talking
07:47about taking him number one over you go no that's just impossible no and they took him number one
07:51overall now though they told me different now yeah different obviously different organization yeah
07:56clearly but clearly same owners but clearly different organization there's nothing when it comes to
08:02simpson it's so few starts it's so little size and i know he's got the same frame as you know
08:08one of
08:09the quarterbacks we have right now which one in and what in uh in shador okay yeah he's i thought
08:16shador or six two or six three i think they're kind of comps similar okay go ahead either either way
08:21um
08:22neither of them are weight room legends we'll just put it that way but so i this this would not
08:28make
08:28sense he's never had a grade like to to have a grade to where the browns are like it's never
08:35been
08:35in the same stratosphere but my other issue is and i i don't have a lot of time but i
08:40want to hit this
08:40this is john fanna yesterday afternoon on on and i love john and i can't believe we would talk about
08:46such a thing but here's john on on the possibilities of tanking i think the tanking is something that i'm
08:52okay with it it's the reality of the situation do i want it does anyone root for it no not
08:57rooting for
08:58i want to win football games doesn't sound like a job don't don't let him distract you john don't
09:03don't want to distract so so you're okay with seven wins i'm okay with trying to win as many
09:08games as possible every single year and john i'm on your side that i didn't say that i want to
09:14tank
09:15it sounds like you want to tank no i don't want to tank i want shador sanders to be the
09:19browns
09:20quarterback i want him to work out like i want i want this kid that i want this kid to
09:24be our
09:24franchise quarterback for the next 15 years the job is yours kid nobody's out to get you nobody's
09:30against you you showed us some flashes go and get it like i want this kid to pan out all
09:36of
09:36cleveland we're praying i'm gonna go to church on sunday saying saint shador help me be the answer i
09:44don't want to draft another quarterback like i want this kid to work out because it would be amazing
09:49i'm rooting for it you know i do i think it's gonna happen there's so much evidence that says
09:55it won't in cleveland but man i i nick i hope like hell it does and if it and if
09:59he if he is solid
10:01this football team will be out to win games this football team will be in an afc north race because
10:07i don't think the afc north is going to be that great i really don't and immediately nick starts
10:11saying it's like well you sound like you're advocating for tanking when you say you don't mind
10:14tanking then that's how that sounds it was just so i love somebody finally hang him over the fence
10:19and say i want the browns to win as many games as humanly possible every year you know who john
10:23sounds like no i'm talking about nick oh sorry but you know what john sounds like yeah it's he's
10:28hemming and hawing and honestly i hate to say it it sounds like it sounds like me at times
10:32where it's like well kenny you don't want to upgrade the position i go well i don't think that
10:35there's a real upgrade out there that's going to be paying off for our future here and i go why
10:40does
10:40it have to be one extreme or the other that's why i'm so agitated about it yesterday afternoon
10:44that's why i'm a bit agitated about it now because i'm going my god like when when you've
10:49left this team to make tremendous mistakes this is why i'm like i don't want to start a fight with
10:56you even though i think we are going to 10 times out of 10 when left to their own devices
11:02they seem
11:03to have made a mistake yeah but they've made the mistake every which way when you're saying that
11:08common sense will prevail and we just won't take ty simpson in the top 10 i go i don't know
11:13buddy
11:13i got plenty evidence that tells you that that is very much in the mix when when left to their
11:18own devices that they would do something like that and to me it's just it it just smacks of
11:28obviously desperation but obviously another one of these primrose paths that lead nowhere
11:34and i'm going man i mean are they just trying to it sounds like they're just telling everybody
11:38everything they're trying to bait teams to trade up to number six which is what every team is trying to
11:42do but what was nobody wants to trade up cynthia freeland just pays attention prediction markets
11:46all i mean she's she does lines and things like that so i don't know she's not being told
11:50no but those prediction markets are also uh heavily built on a lot of the the rumors that could be
11:58out
11:58there and if the browns are at the combine telling everybody everything it just sounds to me like
12:03they're hoping to trade out of six and i think they're not alone i think other teams are definitely
12:07trying to trade down as well you say that but it's the most it's the most desperate team for
12:12a quarterback that i think we've ever seen in nfl history it's the most i mean everybody's desperate
12:18for a quarterback this is to a different level and i hate to say it because ty simpson seems like
12:26a
12:26nice enough young man like i i'm not going to sit there and say nasty personal things about him
12:30he's a coach's son seems to check all the boxes when it comes to munkin very well all the stuff
12:35there about he's not it's not like this is bo callahan's birthday party or something silly like
12:40that like i'm not going to say nasty things about him personally but i just think that this is a
12:45tremendous landmine that we have to avoid and if that means going out there and grinding it out
12:52for another season and having to deal with it so we get to something that we can prosper with
12:58or if chador sanders ends up surprising a lot of people and becoming that guy that would be great
13:03too but i i'm much more interested in being practical and having some common sense i don't
13:10know why it has to be one extreme or the other and that's what i heard well it's because of
13:15this draft
13:15coming up that's why the very next draft i should say that the quarterbacks in that draft are driving
13:20that kind of thought it's the same thing happening in the nba right now it's why it's why i have
13:2510 teams
13:25trying to lose every game it's because being in the middle would stink if if you believe any of
13:30the draft evaluate
13:31you
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