00:00Obviously, yesterday in the 6 o'clock hour, Kyler Murray announcing he is signed with
00:04the Minnesota Vikings, and it's interesting, every time something does or doesn't happen
00:09with the quarterback position, people immediately pivot.
00:12And by the way, I understood that it wasn't a likelihood that Kyler was going to sign
00:16here, I just thought they should have tried to sign him, and I would like to hear if they
00:20did at least talk to him or not, right?
00:23I think it's funny though, on days where nothing happens with the quarterbacks, people go,
00:27well, I guess it's Shador and Deshaun.
00:29When things do happen with quarterbacks around the NFL, it's just, oh, I guess it's Shador
00:34or Deshaun.
00:35It's like, we're like four days into the NFL offseason.
00:39Maybe, maybe not.
00:40Maybe, maybe not.
00:41No one's taking Alpert's advice of letting it play out, because it's just not the world
00:45that we live in, and so I understand that.
00:47But we are getting to a spot, though, where the amount of quarterbacks that could come
00:51in and threaten Shador to take his job week one or whatever the setup is, we're running
00:57far away from these amounts.
00:59Like, I think about it, what is it, Mac Jones at this point?
01:01Maybe Mac Jones?
01:02Would he be the one?
01:03Like, I'm trying to...
01:05Well, yeah, are we just defining guys that would definitively start over Shador or guys
01:08that would compete with Shador?
01:09Guys, I think you would definitively start over Shador.
01:11Oh, then I don't think there's anybody out there.
01:13Then, okay, so then like, you see how the conversation has kind of moved.
01:16A little bit different than at least when Kyler was involved here, because Kyler was the
01:19guy that if he came in here, Shador didn't have a chance.
01:22That's just, that was Kyler's job.
01:24I don't know that we have anybody else.
01:26So now I think it depends on the price, which I think is a significant part of this for any
01:31quarterback you trade for, because if you trade a second for Mac Jones, well, it looks
01:35like Mac Jones is starting next year.
01:37If you trade a fourth and Dylan Gabriel for Mac Jones, I think you can have some wiggle
01:42room there, just giving up a fourth rounder, right?
01:44JJ McCarthy's another name out there.
01:47Do the Vikings really want to have this quarterback competition?
01:51Or are they just saying that so they can offload JJ McCarthy in the next month?
01:55I think that's fair to question.
01:57So JJ McCarthy for the 39th pick versus the 70th pick or pith.
02:02Uh, I usually do right before the NFL draft, um, but with a fourth round pick, I do, I think
02:10price matters and I, but that's only if you're trading for guys financially.
02:15Well, much like the people talking about the price of the guards that you have, you know,
02:19that's just the cost to get them in the room.
02:21Yeah, for sure.
02:22Uh, but we've seen this quarterback list.
02:24It's now just, it's dwindled down in a way.
02:26And so I, I feel like the amount of people that are in the Shador versus Deshaun camp,
02:31if you, if you started there and now you're living there, you got to feel pretty good about
02:35those odds of those two being the one we'll see.
02:37Cause I still think there are interesting quarterbacks out there.
02:39Like, I honestly don't know what the price is going to be for Mac Jones.
02:42He probably becomes my number one behind Kyler Murray is Kyler, uh, uh, very little tiny
02:48legs off to Minnesota.
02:49Yeah.
02:50I am glad that I will tell you.
02:51It would have been weird if you had a really short quarterback after all the Dylan Gabriel
02:54jokes we had.
02:55The shorter quarterback than Dylan.
02:56Yeah.
02:57By like an inch.
02:57But like, it, it, it, it, excuse the idea that Kyler Murray legitimately might be one of
03:02the most athletic people earth has ever created.
03:04Yes.
03:04Like it just kind of ignored the idea that, uh, not only was his college insane with winning the
03:08Heisman and everything else.
03:10Uh, but he also was taken ninth overall in baseball.
03:12Like, like the, the, if Kyler Murray was six, five, he legitimately would be in the running
03:16for being like the most athletic human ever, ever live.
03:19If, uh, so this is the way I look at it.
03:21Legitimately.
03:22I can overlook your height.
03:23And yes, that's a high joke.
03:24If you've ever been any good, if like you were an elite prospect and you've ever been
03:29any good in the NFL, Dylan wasn't an elite prospect on any level.
03:35And he kind of looked kind of what I thought.
03:37I mean, even though the high thing in general though, I mean, I, I've looked it up before
03:40this last year out of the top 20 passer ratings, two of them are under six feet to top 10.
03:45There's only one and it's six foot one.
03:48Yeah.
03:48No, but it was six foot one.
03:49Brock Purdy was the only one in the top 10.
03:50Like, like the idea that there's just a, the, the NFL is littered with a bunch of short
03:54quarterbacks just isn't true.
03:56Like the, like the, in many ways, the NFL has shown you throughout recent years that like,
04:02you gotta be tall.
04:02This is, it was a guessing game for a little bit.
04:04It got in vogue in there for a little bit with two, uh, and with some of these other
04:08guys and Kyler Murray and all these guys.
04:10But like the reality is the only ones having success are all tall.
04:12So I think my, my list starts with Mac Jones.
04:16I don't know how realistic JJ McCarthy is.
04:18And by the way, I don't want Mac Jones.
04:19We need to make this abundantly clear.
04:21I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a Mac Jones.
04:22I don't want to go through that as like a competition for Shador.
04:25Cause that's where I am.
04:26No, not really interested in general.
04:28I think we need a safety valve for Shador.
04:31And I think that's what maybe Shador fans miss in the 92nd videos.
04:35We post is my message has never been, I want to replace Shador.
04:39It is.
04:40I want to full proof the quarterback room so that if Shador starts and he doesn't succeed,
04:45I have something to go, go to in season that can at least be competent.
04:51And I think, I think the struggle with last year is I think Shador was your most competent
04:55quarterback and I still think he fell short of the bar and it makes sense.
04:59He was a rookie.
05:00There were a lot of things that going against him, but he fell short of the bar.
05:04You need to have a serviceable offense.
05:07And that's, and it's not really his fault.
05:09I will give that.
05:10I think a lot of that was circumstantial when he went in the state of the offensive line,
05:14the investment that Kevin Stefanski didn't have in him until late in that season.
05:18But I think like, I keep looking at this offensive line and I'm like, I think Mac Jones would,
05:23and I don't want to call it Shador proof because that's not fair to Shador.
05:26You're trying to help out to Sean is the idea or the buffer between Shador and Sean.
05:30I'm basically, here's what I want.
05:32If Shador, and I don't, maybe this is the better way to look at this.
05:36I don't get, if you're a true Shador fan, why competition upsets you for him.
05:40It's not competition that's upsetting, upsetting me.
05:42It's the idea that.
05:43Oh, I don't mean you.
05:44I'm talking about to the general.
05:46I'll just speak broadly about it though.
05:48Like, like why I'm out on Mac Jones or why I'm not really as interested in Mac Jones for
05:51a price for a second rounder or fourth rounder, whatever that ends up being.
05:55We've haggled in between what it ends up, but I am not interested in paying for him.
05:58Cause my, my thought process is simple.
05:59If Shador starts for seven, eight, nine games, whatever that is, and the wheels fall off and
06:03it doesn't work.
06:04I, first off, I'd hope he'd get seven or eight, nine games to try to showcase if he
06:07can or can't do it.
06:08If they rip the bandaid off and they're like, nope, done with this.
06:11The quarterback that replaces Shador, I'm not having that guy come in to win a bunch of
06:15games.
06:16I know you're like, you want him to be serviceable.
06:17We just look at this differently.
06:18At that point, I'm, I'm rooting for the 2027 draft and the 2027 quarterback.
06:22I'm not just protecting myself in the event that Shador comes in, starts week one, starts
06:27through week 10, and then doesn't do well.
06:29I'm protecting myself against Shador, not being ready for this opportunity.
06:34And I think that is another thing the Browns have to do.
06:36I think that's why I look at this and go, I'd rather use a fourth round pick in a player
06:41on a Mac Jones or a JJ McCarthy or whatever veterans out there that you might be able to get.
06:45Instead, I'd rather that than Drew Aller, who I would love in some situations, just not
06:52this one.
06:53Or, oh my gosh, Carson Beck, who I think has some value, just not in this situation.
06:58And even like the Trey Lance idea, I'd rather Trey Lance than would Anthony Richardson.
07:02I think they're the same guy.
07:04Trey Lance has a little less experience, but I, I actually kind of trust the fact that
07:09Trey's been through the ringer enough that he'll realize this is his last chance.
07:13I don't think Anthony Richardson realizes how much he's fumbled his career to this point.
07:18I think he might need a little while to breathe on that.
07:20A little bit of a wake-up call, probably.
07:21And I think, how does that go?
07:23You go to a place where you see how a really good quarterback does it, and then that's
07:28your focal point for the rest of your career.
07:31So, but to bring it back to Shador, like to the Shador fans who every time you bring
07:36it up, it's like, just shut up.
07:37It's just going to be Shador's job and that's it.
07:39And my response is, that's not good for Shador.
07:42Like, I, like Shador, whether, whether anyone wants to believe it or not, there weren't 53
07:48guys that believed in Shador throughout 100% of last season.
07:51That doesn't mean that a majority of guys didn't like him.
07:54It just means that there were guys who he had yet to win over, and maybe he did the final
07:59seven games of the season or not.
08:01I don't know.
08:01I wasn't in that locker room at the end of the season.
08:03But I do think Shador's best way of earning that locker room is beating as much competition
08:09as he can out for the week one job.
08:11Oh, no, no, no question about that.
08:12Him beating out a guy who I already think is a bit of a joke in Anthony Richardson, I
08:16don't think that helps him in a locker room gain trust.
08:19Like, it's almost, it is almost, it almost is like having somebody do the same job you
08:26do at a worse clip because it makes you look better.
08:30I do think whether that person's just naturally worse than you or whether they're on your
08:34level and you beat them out, I think there's a huge difference in the NFL locker room.
08:38I just don't know that Mac Jones is the one where it's like, whoa, he beat out Mac Jones.
08:41This solidifies him.
08:42That's a former first round pick and a guy who played some good football last year.
08:44I think that has more credibility.
08:46I bet you it has more credibility in an NFL locker room than Anthony Richardson does,
08:50but that's not the debate.
08:51That's not really the question.
08:52Well, but my point is, you want somebody that's a real challenger to Shador, even if you still
08:57want Shador to play.
08:58And I think that's where you are.
09:00Like the Shador insurance, or really it is, and you're right on this, it is Deshaun Watson
09:05insurance.
09:06If, if Shador fails and whether that's out of the shoot, meaning like he doesn't even
09:11get to week one or whether he fails after nine or 10 games, the last thing I want to
09:17do is open up the can of worms with Deshaun Watson, no matter how close it gets me to the
09:20number one pick.
09:21And that's the difference in this convo is that as much as you and I both don't want to
09:23see Deshaun Watson out there, it seems like the Browns, the Browns are setting this
09:27up as if they're very comfortable with Deshaun Watson.
09:29Now we'll find out maybe that's just a big, maybe it's all one big red herring and they
09:33never have a plan for Deshaun and it is what it is.
09:36But right now, the way that they're describing this or the way that it appears, and this
09:39could change, obviously it should door.
09:41And then the veteran role that you'd have with one of these Mac Jones type guys or anything
09:44else in between that's being occupied by Deshaun Watson.
09:47That battle you're talking about is being occupied by Deshaun.
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