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00:00Be nice if the Browns made a move at quarterback any one of these days.
00:03Any one of these days.
00:04Or we could just get a little rumor.
00:05Can I get a little rumor innuendo?
00:06Some taste is all we're looking for.
00:08And so that's why I think we started to get some nibbles,
00:11maybe some bites when it comes to the Kyler Murray discussion.
00:13We've gotten no bites anywhere else, though.
00:15If you're looking for a Mac Jones bite, it's not really existent.
00:18Hell, even the Anthony Richardson stuff.
00:20Earth to that conversation.
00:22Don't know where that one's gone.
00:23I almost feel like the Shador, Deshaun stuff that's been floated out now
00:27for six weeks by the many satellites the Browns have floating around
00:31nationally and locally.
00:32I almost feel like that's been just a big trial balloon for everyone.
00:35To see how comfortable people are with it.
00:36And I think what the Browns have surveyed is how completely anesthetized
00:41Browns fans are.
00:42I was going to say.
00:42And they're like, well, if you're not going to make us do it,
00:45we'll do the thing that is counter logical and just honestly wasting a season.
00:49We'll do it.
00:50If they want to, from a perception standpoint,
00:53they can get away with it, Scott Free.
00:55Because the reception has been, all right, Shador versus Deshaun.
01:00It's been met that way from yourself.
01:02First off, not that meant, I might be falling into the camp of,
01:05if that's what that is, that's what that is.
01:07I think that's met.
01:08I might be the people you're talking to here.
01:10And that's okay.
01:11I'm fine with that.
01:12Because I just want to see Shador play football.
01:14And so I think they've told an interesting line.
01:16Because they've hit the people that want to watch Shador play football for a season
01:19and see if he can do something with a better offensive line and some better pieces.
01:22And on the other side of it, they've also satisfied the Shador sucks crowd
01:27because then those people are like, well, we're lined up for a 27 draft pick then
01:31and this is going to all but guarantee it.
01:32Like, this is, they're getting away Scott Free.
01:34All right.
01:35Are we, are they sizing everybody up?
01:38Or are they just, have they just sufficiently bopped Browns fans over the head
01:43and left us in a coma with so much bad football that people are just resigned to the fact?
01:49Think about, think about it.
01:50The NFL is a giant hope machine.
01:53Geno Smith's homecoming for the Jets.
01:55That doesn't bring any hope.
01:56No, Jets fans are excited about this.
01:58Drunk Jets fans maybe.
02:00Not real Jets fans.
02:01FAN is excited about this.
02:02Jackson Dart had about four good games last year.
02:05Giants fans think they got the next Eli Manning.
02:07Now there's some real hope.
02:08There's some real hope there.
02:09But every year, 32 teams come up with the great drug that the NFL sells, which is hope.
02:14And the Browns have found a way to get the most loyal, hopeful fan base in the world
02:19to be like, fine.
02:20Shador versus Deshaun.
02:21Whatever.
02:22I think it's because, and we can debate this later on, because I don't know if it's true,
02:26but I feel like people think there's some sort of big mega plan that is being executed here.
02:31Yeah, the plan is there's no plan.
02:32And, well, that's kind of what it's felt like the entire time, is that there's a plan,
02:35but then it's not really a plan.
02:37And then we kind of, we're just kind of off in the middle of nowhere.
02:39But now that we can kind of see it, it's like they're kind of stuck with two paths to go.
02:43Either Shador is good and then great, and that's awesome, you're off to the races,
02:46or he stinks, and then you got a draft pick in 2027 with what's supposed to be a loaded
02:51quarterback class.
02:51Like, they've backed themselves into a corner where it's like, if you just can make it through
02:55this year, you're going to have some answers you like.
02:58And we've waited through so many bad years, I think we're signed up for it.
03:01Or we've watched them screw up every quarterback plan they have had.
03:05That now, the only thing that is going to get fans excited is if you reincarnate Otto Graham,
03:12or maybe, I don't know, clone him, and bring him back into the fold.
03:16You want like a Ted Williams frozen head situation?
03:18Or if we just reverse age Bernie Kosar by about 40 years.
03:21Now we're talking.
03:22That's the only thing.
03:23Now we're really getting somewhere.
03:23Like, if we just get science behind it, because outside of that, outside of the messiah
03:27of quarterbacks, there's just, people are going to go, well, he might work somewhere,
03:32but it's going to fail here.
03:33I'm thinking about how Tom Brady cloned his dog.
03:35Can we do that to Bernie?
03:37Well, I think we have to ask Bernie first.
03:39I don't think he'd be against it.
03:40I don't.
03:40Why would Bernie be against that, of all things?
03:42Like, I feel like Bernie's on the cutting edge of a lot of things here.
03:47Well, because Bernie would still be Bernie.
03:48Yeah, no, he exists.
03:48He would be a younger clone that gets all the money and all the, you know, the ladies and whatnot.
03:54He'd get, he'd get, he'd get, some of that bread would get broken off.
03:58He'd get some runoff.
03:58Yeah, I can't, I can't say about the ladies' side of things.
04:01That's what it sounds like you were saying.
04:03I was thinking about the money side of things.
04:04All right, you get 20% commission of everything.
04:07Listen, if they make a clone of me, I'm getting 10% of whatever that clone makes.
04:11Makes, okay.
04:12Whatever future job that is that that clone has.
04:1510% for your DNA?
04:16At least, at least 10%.
04:17I'm going to need 50%.
04:18Well, I don't want to get greedy with it.
04:20I do.
04:20How many clones can I make?
04:21It's my clone.
04:21It's my DNA.
04:22How many clones can I make of myself?
04:23I make 10 clones of me and all of a sudden I'm on easy street.
04:26Michael Keaton made three in multiplicity and it went, every one of them balled his wife.
04:30Would it be depressing or expected to have your clone outperform you?
04:34In which way?
04:35Like having a better job, a better, you know, better career, a better, basically a better existence than what you
04:40currently have.
04:41Yeah, sounds reasonable.
04:43Are we supposed to expect that out of our clone?
04:44I think so.
04:45Like, there's a world that exists where 10 clones of myself just accomplish absolutely nothing and this is the very
04:50best I ever could have done.
04:51But the Browns do not have a quarterback plan until proven otherwise.
04:54And that's embarrassing.
04:55Because, and I really do think, like, it is a little infuriating to watch people who I know are super
05:02damn smart and who I listen to every day.
05:05Like, Ken, Kyler Murray's not better than what you had.
05:09You have to be deluded beyond reason to believe that.
05:15Do you understand the low bar that was last year?
05:18Yeah, last year was a low bar.
05:18If you're thinking, well, anything that is durable and quality is better than last year on the offensive line, and
05:25you'd be right, by the way, you have to say the same thing about the quarterback room.
05:29It was non-functional.
05:31None of the quarter, and by the way, that doesn't, that's not on the quarterbacks.
05:34It's on what happened with the quarterbacks.
05:36But yes, you can make, there are better quarterbacks out than what you have.
05:41But this idea that you have to come back to, well, it's not a franchise quarterback, so it doesn't matter.
05:46Yes, it does.
05:47These things do matter.
05:49And you do have to have a certain amount of something in a quarterback room, and they don't now.
05:54I like the idea of Shador playing this year and Shador beating somebody out.
05:58And I understand that that might be the best thing you can have to really understand what is Shador and
06:03give you path of, like, hey, this quarterback can grow into something.
06:06Right?
06:07That doesn't mean Shador and Shador alone should be the quarterback.
06:11But everyone is so anesthetized, and the Browns have just beaten you over the head with how bad and hopeless
06:18their offense is, that just everybody's just kind of going along with it.
06:22And this is the definition of insanity beyond the one that most radio people then use as a cliche.
06:28And we also love the word microcosm.
06:30Well, I don't know about the insanity part of this, because it's not, we're not doing the same thing over
06:33and over again.
06:34But, like, the difference here is that I feel like...
06:36It's a quarterback room to nowhere, and they know it.
06:38Well, last year was four different quarterbacks, and we didn't even know who was going to start by the time
06:42we got to training camp.
06:43So it's better that there's two quarterbacks, and it's a bridge to nowhere?
06:46It's not the same plan.
06:47It's very, very different.
06:48But both have probably the same efficacy rate, right?
06:51No, I don't necessarily believe that.
06:53Shador always has a much higher ceiling and a much higher ability than what I believe Kenny Pickett had.
06:58Joe Flacco was one year and done, and that was it.
07:01Like, that wasn't selling you anything.
07:02And it doesn't mean that Shador is selling you this great thing either.
07:05The reality is that Shador might go out there and just absolutely stink up the joint.
07:08I think that's kind of where a portion of the fan base wants slash expects to have happen.
07:13But it's like this boom or bust idea that just, I don't know, hovers over this decision that I feel
07:19like a lot of Browns fans have just become comfortable with.
07:21It just, it feels like passing the buck.
07:24And I will say, I think to anyone who says Shador versus Deshaun is a salient plan, all I hear
07:31is that you want to tank.
07:33And that might...
07:35That's exactly right.
07:35Here's the problem.
07:37Every other spot on this roster, they're not tanking.
07:40They're not tanking with this offensive line.
07:42As of right now, they've got five or six guys that actually could start on an offensive line.
07:46They didn't have that last year because of injuries and everything else.
07:49That defense is too good to tank.
07:52So this idea of like, wow, I'm cool with the one-year tank.
07:56It's like, no.
07:57That defense won three games and then five games last year.
07:59I don't know if we can call them too good to tank.
08:00With a non-existent offense.
08:01If you're even marginally better, you're going to go from a five-win team to a seven-win team.
08:06That's not...
08:06Marginally better, but where have they gotten marginally?
08:09Not marginally better.
08:09That was wrong phrasing out of me.
08:12Anything.
08:12You can take any step into solvency offensively and be a dramatically better offense.
08:17You could be the 26th best offense in the NFL this year, and you would be a dramatically
08:22better offense than last year.
08:24We've got a lot of the same pieces that we have last year.
08:25The only difference is the offensive line.
08:26And even within that, it's not as if they didn't put together some sort of awesome Pro
08:31Bowl everywhere line.
08:32This is just an acceptable line, but this isn't the greatest thing we've ever seen.
08:35The Browns aren't even going to be in the top three.
08:38Shouldn't be in the top three odds.
08:39If we factor in the entirety of the roster, the quarterback thing is going to be a big thing,
08:42and I understand that.
08:43If we factor in the entirety of rosters, from outside the quarterback down, they have a
08:49good roster.
08:51Yes, you need a wide receiver.
08:52What the hell do you think they're going to do in the draft?
08:54Yes, they probably need a left tackle.
08:55Well, that's what the draft is for.
08:57Yeah, they probably need another pass-catching tight end.
09:00Yet again, the draft.
09:01Like, the needs on this team are not what they were two years ago when this not-a-rebuild-rebuild
09:07-transition
09:07to a transition year started.
09:09The only need is quarterback.
09:11And I get it, like, I get that the idea is, well, these quarterbacks can sink or swim.
09:17Yeah, but guys, if we have a chance of going 7-10 with Shador, I'd rather see if there's
09:23another quarterback in that room that can push him that might also give you the chance
09:26to do more than just 7-10.
09:27I mean, listen, I'm not out on Kyler.
09:28We've talked about this before.
09:29Kyler is the only person I'm interested in, not named Shador.
09:32But if you told me I had to have one drive to win a game, out of the quarterbacks that
09:38are listed, I'm taking Kyler Murray over Mack Jones.
09:41I'm taking Kyler Murray over Anthony Richardson.
09:43I'm taking Kyler Murray over all the other quarterbacks that you can come up with.
09:46But I think it stops right there.
09:48And so, like, again, am I interested in the Kyler Murray discussion?
09:50I am.
09:51I think a lot of people think it's on life support.
09:53Some don't.
09:53We'll get to that clip in a second.
09:54But the reality is, I think a lot of Browns fans have understood Shador versus Deshaun
10:00seems where the Browns are at.
10:01And we'll see if they make any changes.
10:03But if that's the case, it really is not an awful case, in my opinion.
10:07I don't hate it.
10:08Name me a worse quarterback room than those two quarterbacks right now, man.
10:11That's not the point.
10:11The point is, no, no, no, no, no.
10:12Yes, if it is the worst quarterback in the room, by very definition, that it is a dumb plan.
10:16No, no, no.
10:17Again, what is your big plan, though?
10:19Your big plan is the idea that 2027 draft is essentially what you're playing for.
10:22And then if Shador is awesome and that pops up out of nowhere, then you're in a good spot, too.
10:26Yeah, but you're a five-win team and you're better.
10:28You're already better than the five-win team last year.
10:30First off, you don't even really know that for certain that they're already better because
10:34they made a couple changes in the offensive line.
10:35Last year's offensive line stuck.
10:36Didn't you say that the offensive line plan, you really like what they're doing?
10:40No, I said it was fine.
10:41I didn't say I really liked what they're doing.
10:42I said it's fine.
10:43Okay.
10:44Like, I don't know, I mean, it's not some sort of drastic change.
10:46They're just getting a lot of praise for the offensive line around Cleveland, and then we're
10:49going, but the whole thing's awful.
10:50Well, it's one component to it, and also, who's to say they didn't take a minor step back
10:54at some point on the defensive side?
10:55When you lose Devin Bush, Miles Garrett is getting older.
10:58A lot of pieces in the defensive line is getting older, and you have a brand-new defensive coordinator.
11:02Like, you have a brand-new coaching staff, brand-new everything.
11:04Like, I don't know that it's a certainty that this team has gotten leaps and bounds better
11:08by any metric of it.
11:09So, like, if the plan is you're playing for the 2027 draft, and if not,
11:13Chador comes in and is great, I think a lot of people have accepted that, as that's an
11:17all-right spot for the Browns to be in.
11:18Is it great?
11:19No.
11:20But five wins wasn't great either.
11:21Like, they start from a position of suck to begin with anyway.
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