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00:00We are pleased to present the Urban Farming program.
00:02Today we have a guest from Gostivar, North Macedonia.
00:06Gostivar Media Vice President Gizim Hacı Eyüp Bey.
00:12Mr. Gizim, welcome to our program.
00:14We especially extend our greetings to Fahriye's daughter. Welcome.
00:19Good morning, thank you. Thank you very much.
00:22Thank you for including us in your program.
00:26As you know, we are from North Macedonia, from the former Balkans, from the former Republic of Yugoslavia, and we are participating in your program.
00:40Gostivar is a geographical region known for its own Šardag mountain and the icy waters of the Vardar River.
00:49It is still a part of the descendants of Fatiha.
00:52Many Turks also live here.
00:55For this reason, since we naturally view Türkiye as our own homeland, every voice, every greeting, every sound coming from Türkiye...
01:05Even that makes us happy.
01:08That is why we are participating in your program with such special affection.
01:15Some people may not know Gostivar.
01:18Could you give me some general information about Gostivar? I got to know Gostivar a little. Then, about the activities that Gostivar is known for.
01:25Let me briefly talk about Gostivar in general, and the Turks who live here.
01:31When I say there were Turks, as you know, I was referring to the time of Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror, when they were fighting the Karamanids – I'm not entirely sure which time it was back then.
01:42It was history, who exactly was it, but a migration from those places had arrived here.
01:48And these places were generally settled by Anatolian Turks and Turks from the Konya-Karaman region, who at that time both managed the vacant areas.
01:59both to ensure that normal Islamic practices are maintained in these places.
02:04As is known in history, Gostivar was a fully-fledged settlement going back to approximately 1690, after the Treaty of Karlowitz.
02:20With the Ottoman withdrawal
02:24That's what's written in history, in the documents here, it says that the son-in-law of the great Mustafa Pasha of Merzifon settled here, and
02:36He founded the complex.
02:37He built a mosque, a clock tower, and a complex of buildings. At that time, this place was just an inn on the way to Debre, and its name was...
02:47It is unique to him.
02:49Gostivar, because there are guests, has a mix of Turkish and Slavic words. Because in the past, both Turks and Slavs lived there, meaning those Christians we refer to.
02:58He was alive.
02:59According to him, the guesthouse was a place to stay because it was an inn. But it was situated in a beautiful valley.
03:07It's actually north of the Poluk Valley, at the source of the Varda River. It's 6 kilometers from our Varda River. So it must be bubbling up at the foot of the Shardag Mountains.
03:16It has a beautiful geography. There are many mountains, forests, valleys, and plateaus in these places.
03:24So, let's get to the point. This region has always been very suitable for farming and animal husbandry.
03:32Actually, this place was administered by the Pashas and Beys of Kalkandelen.
03:39Let's fast forward to today. Local governments, of course, emerged with the disintegration and collapse of the former Yugoslavia.
03:50Bakedonia, of course, broke away from Yugoslavia. It became an independent state.
03:59Naturally, once it became an independent state, the old policies and experiences were lost, but the population remained.
04:08The people of Akta, of course, initially engaged in agriculture and animal husbandry, and later, to a lesser extent, industry.
04:20Because, as I said, in Tito's Yugoslavia, Macedonia was generally perceived as an agricultural country.
04:29It's an agricultural country. Because it has several valleys, the Ofchepole Valley in the east, Central Macedonia, and the Pelagonia Valley and Plain.
04:40And in these areas we also have our Polok Plain. A plain that includes Gostivar of Kalkandelen.
04:49The majority of its population, eighty percent, is Muslim. The Albanians are mostly of Turkish origin. Twenty percent are non-Muslim.
04:57Therefore, these areas have historically been preoccupied with farming and agriculture.
05:05There is a legacy from the past, a legacy of farming and agriculture.
05:10But circumstances have naturally changed. First, as you know, the population of this place decreased with the withdrawal of the Ottomans.
05:19After that came World War I, the Second Balkan War, World War I and World War II, especially after World War II...
05:27These places are completely dominated by a political agenda, a migration policy.
05:34Normally, when experienced citizens leave, the newcomers are unable to manage these places as effectively as the old ones.
05:44Therefore, there is a disconnect. There is a disconnect with both agriculture and animal husbandry.
05:50Nareset is because the population has dwindled. The population has decreased very suddenly.
05:55People have expressed gratitude for migrating to Türkiye.
05:57On the other hand, migration to Europe in the last 50 years has been due to economic instability.
06:02There has been a lot of migration to countries like Switzerland, Germany, France, and Sweden.
06:08The migrations of the past were more like exile than actual migration.
06:12But who goes abroad anyway? The men.
06:15The powerful part is leaving, and these are the ones who generally manage agriculture.
06:19These include livestock farming and agriculture.
06:22Because it was in their hands, it remained somewhat tense.
06:28And then, during the period of socialist Yugoslavia, Yugoslav Macedonia...
06:33Special agrarian policies have begun to be implemented for these areas.
06:38First of all, in this region, mesalization means irrigation, and irrigation canals were built.
06:46After that, there was an agricultural boom.
06:50Gosti was a region that was quite significant in terms of agriculture, even across Yugoslavia, with its onions and tomatoes.
07:01Unfortunately, this has also been dealt a third blow.
07:04The breakup of Yugoslavia.
07:06This fragmentation has now dealt a truly massive blow to agriculture and livestock farming.
07:14And the existing livestock farming and agriculture of the time began to be parceled out and individualized.
07:24Now every family has started to produce and manufacture within their own organization as much as they can.
07:36And then, in the last twenty years, there's Gosti.
07:39During the communist historical period, the Yugoslavian era, that is, since it was communist history, were the territories unified at that time?
07:47Were the land plots large?
07:48Later...
07:49There's something very interesting.
07:52Yes, that's very interesting.
07:53Even though cooperatives were established back then, the property in the Gosti and Kalkan regions remained in the hands of the local people.
08:03So it seems there aren't many large cooperatives like this.
08:05It didn't exist then, and it doesn't exist now.
08:09So it seems that land consolidation or cooperative land expansion hasn't been very common in these areas.
08:18It never was.
08:20Perhaps during the gentlemen's era.
08:22It existed during the late Ottoman period.
08:24Back then, certain landowners and certain lords had their own things.
08:28Of course, there's a building permit here, but it's not a very large cooperative even under socialism.
08:35We, and I myself, grew up in a cooperative.
08:40But there weren't that many large plots of land.
08:43Because this area is very, very busy, there's a place called Kalkan and Gosti.
08:48It's a densely populated area.
08:51So, roughly speaking, if these migrations hadn't happened, the region would be around 1400 now.
08:56Yes.
08:58Therefore, let's move on to the era of democracy.
09:02Is Gosti there? What did he say about the definitional activity right now?
09:06Yes. Let's say, right now...
09:09Because we know that if a region lacks agriculture, what good is that region, whether it's a state or a region?
09:18It remains dependent on other regions, other states.
09:20In fact, today's politics, contemporary politics, will revolve around agriculture.
09:26They all know this.
09:28All politicians know this.
09:30And perhaps some of the wars today will be over fertile land and wetlands, just as they were once over mines.
09:39We see this.
09:40Our region has such geographical features.
09:48It has plenty of water and fertile soil.
09:51Unfortunately, this urbanization thing, this explosion of activity, has started to prevent that.
09:57It's pretty much started.
09:58People want to come here for quick money.
10:01Not with such patience.
10:02And it's as if they're downplaying the importance and value of the land.
10:07In fact, one day, future generations will definitely pay the price for this.
10:13And unfortunately, our current perspective and approach means that we will somehow have to return this land, which we have borrowed from future generations, back to them.
10:25We need to translate it.
10:26In fact, we owe them a debt of gratitude for this land, this fertile land, for what we might call its blessing, for the divine favor bestowed upon them.
10:37And so, God willing, we will continue our work in this direction.
10:44Right now...
10:46So, Mr. Mayor, if you become the Mayor of Gostuel, what are you doing there in terms of agriculture, are you providing any assistance?
10:54Are there any projects that you, as a municipality, are following or supporting there?
11:00Now, here we generally say that in this era of democracy, you might not believe it, but TIKA, the Turkish Cooperation and Coordination Agency, has arrived in Macedonia.
11:16It all started with the Development Agency establishing itself in Macedonia.
11:21Why, you might ask?
11:23Because before this, our policies were generally a European policy.
11:34It was as if they were concerned with, or perhaps cared about, politics beyond the wealth of the local people.
11:46For this reason, local production policies, instead of being about democratization, seemed to be directing us towards such imaginary needs rather than real needs.
12:06With TİKA's arrival, believe me, a great deal of support has been provided.
12:13Then support began to be provided, financial support, financial support, and positive reinforcement.
12:24How, by providing grants for greenhouses, by providing grants for agricultural machinery, by supporting intermediaries, because here there is so much greenery, there are flowers, there is spring.
12:45These factors have also created a very positive environment for the development of mediators.
12:55In the last thirty years, I would say that there has been economic stability migration, employment and stability migration, so generally the people themselves...
13:12It seems as if they were made to forget about owning their own bread, their own bounty.
13:20They were essentially encouraged to migrate, to go abroad, to earn a living there and support their families.
13:32For this reason, both UNDP, USAID, and the European Union, as well as the old IPART, FARE, and IPAP projects, seem to be working towards the farmers and agriculture here.
13:48It is raising public awareness.
13:53But he wasn't giving them any practical financial assistance like that.
14:04So, it seems that the aid is generally complete, which is a good thing.
14:09For example, information assistance, organizational assistance, do this and that, but of course, all of this is for a country that has emerged from war, a country that has been destroyed.
14:22He had things he wanted to do, but he also needed financial support, so this organization and these incentives weren't enough.
14:32Now, believe me, the impact of TIKA's aid is much clearer.
14:37For example, providing support to a certain number of tractors in a certain location, meaning providing support both individually and to established cooperatives.
14:50It started.
14:51And there was a revival.
14:55That's very interesting, the program came from a very interesting perspective.
14:59When we say TİKA, it's used for communication, and it also refers to the people of that region, especially in the Balkans, who repair mosques and madrasas.
15:09We knew it as an organization that did small, minor jobs, but now you're saying different things.
15:15You're telling us that TİKA is helping with its services, believe me.
15:19No, absolutely not, it's not like you think.
15:24Hospitals receive a lot of support here.
15:28Especially in our nomadic regions here, there are many incentives for agriculture, whether it's farming incentives, agricultural incentives, or livestock farming incentives.
15:42You need to know this, you should know this because TIKA is, how should I put it, an extended support from Turkey here.
15:57And believe me, all eyes are on TIKA here.
16:00So this is a very important thing, a detail.
16:08Now, if you were to say that Gostivar has a strategy, Gostivar has a strategy.
16:13So, it seems that since 2010, under the guise of a transition, there has been a project to overcome impoverishment, but specifically, a project to overcome public impoverishment.
16:26There, the existing old canals, irrigation canals are being cleaned, and cooperatives are being revived,
16:39Even YTC has an international civil society organization in Germany.
16:44He was also involved in the establishment of these small companies, and these small companies naturally included certain things there.
16:56farmers and things like that, cooperatives too.
16:59But as I said, all of these are generally expert meetings, conducted from a scientific and academic perspective.
17:09through meetings, and I can also say some fairs, some carnival-like events organized by them,
17:18As we know, a farmer, no matter how much land he owns,
17:24if it lacks infrastructure, irrigation, roads, and a transportation network,
17:31Of course, it can neither reach its destination nor deliver the materials it produces to the required locations.
17:40But apart from that, what did the European Union, UNDP, USAID, and these German GTZ organizations do?
17:54They are, in a way, the establishment of cooperatives.
17:57So, it means they need to record these products they produce or obtain somewhere and export them or find them elsewhere.
18:16They are working.
18:17So, it seems that they are generally exporting to European markets.
18:22But what do they produce? They teach how to maintain standards.
18:26So, that's what we know about fertilization.
18:34There's no sound. I couldn't hear the question.
18:40Hello?
18:43To summarize, Mr. Gizem, where would you like to say the final point regarding time?
18:50Finally, regarding the impact of agriculture on municipalities...
18:53Now...
18:55Yes, yes.
18:57We currently have several different programs to support agriculture and livestock farming.
19:02Firstly, infrastructure was started in rural areas to prevent people from migrating to the cities.
19:11Since 2005.
19:14Especially with TIKA's entry into these areas between 2015 and 2020, it means that we have a presence in these regions...
19:24We support them with this solidarity, both locally and at the state level, as well as internationally, through their institutions and organizations here in Gostivar.
19:43in the region, to families living in rural areas as well as those with land, including fertile land...
19:51These regions receive financial support, or incentives such as being given 5,000 euros.
20:02What are they doing with the support given by a small company, the UNDP, and the Swiss Embassy?
20:15In fact, to be honest, not many of these IPART programs reached us.
20:22However, TIKA's projects reach our citizens directly, Turkish Muslim citizens.
20:28What happened to those few companies that were also part of the incentive program?
20:33A couple of milk processing plants were established.
20:35Of course, this is because small livestock farming is still ongoing in our country.
20:39Cattle might be more prevalent, but sheep are still here, and these areas are very well-known for their small livestock.
20:48So, the largest slaughterhouse, the largest slaughterhouse in Yugoslavia, was in Gostivar.
20:52Unfortunately, there are guests in his place today.
20:57The settlement was coming, meaning buildings had already been erected.
21:04Apart from that, in our municipality, in rural areas and highland regions, if anyone wants it, they can be given loans.
21:22By allocating that credit to very suitable things in appropriate installments, those loans are given to them with very favorable repayment terms.
21:35And also, the fact that I didn't translate some of it at all, the fact that I chose not to translate it, means I'm not pretty.
21:44It is given as a grant.
21:46As long as they go to these places.
21:49All they need to do is start an agricultural operation, especially a livestock farm.
21:55There were those who showed interest, and cooperatives were established.
21:59Especially these women have become a bit more... well, they're more home-oriented now.
22:05They seemed to perform better in these cooperatives.
22:09Even in men.
22:12Therefore, regarding Gostivar—and let me say this too—I would have forgotten, I would have been wronged.
22:18Believe me, our joining this Agri City thing, your association, has generated a lot of interest.
22:26And some studies have been initiated.
22:28We want to establish a special department in this new period that we are about to take over.
22:38This contact aims both to improve communication and to strengthen solidarity.
22:43And to implement this flow of information in a more organized way, we will establish a department, God willing.
22:53Why? Because it was very beneficial.
22:55It was like a lifeline, just like you said, for our municipality.
23:01Believe me, at those meetings we attended, we saw many different studies, ideas, and practices.
23:10Now we are considering which of these applications would be most suitable and most effective in our region.
23:19And we hope to undertake some collaborative work as well during these four years.
23:25Hopefully, with God's permission, we will achieve our goal.
23:31Mr. President, finally, what would you like to say about Türkiye and the International Association of Agricultural Cities? Please go ahead.
23:39Now I think we need to take our cooperation on this matter to a higher level.
23:48In order to make the studies more specific and more convenient, these contacts,
23:56Let's see if we can organize one of those conferences, based on your experiences, in Macedonia as well, in a way that we can all work together on.
24:06Let's meet with both the Mayor of Konya Metropolitan Municipality and your Agri City organization.
24:13Of course, we are certainly not that powerful, but perhaps we can also get something from the ministries that are collaborating.
24:21With your help, with the help of the municipality, perhaps we can do something so wonderful together in Gostüver-Kalkandil.
24:28Or, if a nice congress were to be held somewhere, and we included the Balkans in the address, then...
24:35Of course, if we all work together and make an effort, it would be a very good thing if we could invite the cities from this region there as well.
24:45I think it would be a very good activity, and we should definitely do it if we say we can't do it this way.
24:51But I can say that it is essential that such a wonderful event takes place here next year as well, or at least within these two years.
25:01Because we have seen a lot of good from it, and if we say we have seen a lot of good from it, then we have started working in those directions.
25:08Here, too, there are both educational institutions and centers for this purpose, so it seems we can combine them.
25:18We intend to revive agriculture and livestock farming here through collaborative efforts.
25:25Because, as I said, this is a really suitable place for agriculture.
25:31Especially Macedonia, particularly northwestern Macedonia where we are, the foothills of Mount Shardag and Mount Korab,
25:42Hopefully, you will also have the opportunity to come here, and we can conduct an inspection together.
25:48First, let's have a preliminary meeting, get a look around, and then, together, we can plan a program based on the location.
25:57But also, the fact that such a wonderful congress is being held here is a sign of solidarity for all of us.
26:06It would be a great experience, a great job, and a great activity for all of us to exchange experiences.
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