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00:00Super easy for every 49er fan to pick a side on should they have paid Brock.
00:06But that conversation to this point has largely been about,
00:11I think Brock's good enough or I don't think Brock's good enough.
00:16Right?
00:17That's kind of how you shouldn't have paid him 53 because he's good,
00:21but he's not 53 good.
00:22I hear that a lot.
00:24He's 40.
00:25He's not 53.
00:26I don't even know necessarily why.
00:28To me, I'm like, I don't know why that matters.
00:30I get it.
00:31You think that you can go get other players.
00:33The Niners are brilliant at manipulating the cap.
00:36So if you think he's 40, then let him be 53.
00:41Try that at a gas station where you pull in and it's 419 for regular,
00:45and you're like, you know what?
00:46I think it should be 349.
00:48Well, gas is 419, bro.
00:50And so if you want a gallon, you're going to get a gallon.
00:53If you want a quarterback, you're going to get a quarterback, and it's 53.
00:56Great comp.
00:57I want to ask it in a new way, though.
01:01Did the 49ers overpay Brock?
01:04Not because you think Brock's not good enough.
01:07Did they overpay Brock because they shouldn't have paid anyone?
01:11Anyone.
01:13It feels to me like you were insinuating that earlier this week.
01:16I don't know if you were playing a role or how you actually feel,
01:20because to me, the answer is unequivocally yes,
01:25and it's not because of my massive, overblown 95-7, the game, man crush on Brock.
01:32It's pretty syrupy.
01:33It's not that.
01:34Right.
01:34It's that I don't think that you can rent every year.
01:43You have to buy at some point.
01:46You can't always rent.
01:49You're going to get burned at some point.
01:52Maybe.
01:52That's my feeling.
01:54Well, my feeling is that you can't, you can't just do it every year because you're going
02:00to get yourself in one of a few different negative spots.
02:04Even those of you who would like to use the current situation as some sort of evidence
02:09to point, which is to say, look, you can win with Mac Jones.
02:14Great.
02:15Let's play that out.
02:16Mac Jones plays the rest of the year.
02:18The Niners become a playoff team.
02:20Forget if they win playoff games, but they win a division with Mac Jones.
02:25What does Mac do next year?
02:27He holds out.
02:29He holds out because he wants to be paid.
02:31He would be in a contract year and he would hold out.
02:34If you want him to be your starting quarterback.
02:36So that's my point.
02:37My point is at a certain point, you do have to find somebody you like and then stick and
02:42stay or else you're doing it every year.
02:44I find that to be unrealistic.
02:47The other side to that though, is I will sit here and admit that you can look around the
02:52league as we started off the show talking about and see all the quarterbacks who suddenly
02:58look good when they end up in good systems.
03:00And so that sort of makes me lean into the, in the direction of this isn't as much about
03:07the quarterback as maybe we all think it is.
03:10It is about the system and it always has been, but this is the way I'm going to answer this
03:15hypothetical, because when you paid Brock, I think it was what in April or May, fine.
03:21Whenever it was, you hadn't yet seen Mac Jones do what he's done, which is better than even
03:27I would have thought.
03:28I thought Mac Jones could be a good backup.
03:30He's been better than that.
03:31Many people are calling him the best backup in football and whether or not that's the
03:35case or a small sample, the three, you know, whatever you want to look at, you didn't know
03:39in May when you gave Brock the money that Mac Jones would come out and win his first three
03:44games as a backup.
03:45So that for me becomes the hard part about this, because if you knew in May that Mac Jones
03:52would be this good, well then maybe you don't pay Brock Purdy or maybe you go about it in
03:57a different way.
03:57But you had no idea that, and you had already signed Mac Jones at that point, you signed
04:02him in March, but you didn't know that Mac would come in and fit like this and be this
04:07good.
04:07Even Kyle Shanahan, I bet, didn't even think that this would happen.
04:10I still don't know what you know, quote unquote, know.
04:15You know what I mean?
04:16You know that he's able to win games in your system.
04:18That's what you know.
04:20Like he's played three games as a starter and he's won all three.
04:24So that you know.
04:25But that's a tremendously small sample to make a big decision.
04:30It is, but you made a similar decision with Jimmy Garoppolo when he came in and he won
04:35his first five and then that offseason you gave him the biggest contract ever.
04:39I would argue the 49ers made that decision prior to even acquiring Jimmy Garoppolo.
04:44Like Jimmy Garoppolo, he had already been seen in the league.
04:48Mac Jones has been seen.
04:49No, I understand that, but they didn't use draft capital to acquire Mac Jones.
04:53They signed him as a backup for very little money NFL-wise.
04:57Jimmy Garoppolo was a Halloween trade that included draft capital.
05:02Second rounder.
05:03Second rounder, I believe, right?
05:04So at that point, to me, you're already deciding, I think we want this player to be our starting
05:10quarterback.
05:11And so they make a move on and then he comes in.
05:13Then he plays well and you win a bunch of games.
05:16So now you're in that situation.
05:19And you did a small sample, but it was more than three.
05:22I think, what was it, six?
05:24Whatever.
05:24Yeah, something like that five, I think.
05:25You're like already further down the road.
05:27You've traded for this player.
05:28You want him to be your starting quarterback.
05:31Mac Jones is acquired in a much different way.
05:32You don't want him to be your starting quarterback, in fact.
05:35You're brought in for a completely different job.
05:38Like, here would be my comp.
05:39When Brock Purdy entered for the 49ers, you sure as hell didn't know if he would win games
05:46in your system.
05:48So two and a half weeks later, they're 3-0.
05:51Were you at that point ready to be like, Brock Purdy?
05:55Brock Purdy can consistently win games in our system.
05:59I don't think you were.
06:02And those games were blowout victories with lots of points.
06:06Yeah, in fact, I was, as I remember.
06:08Were you?
06:09You were ready for long term?
06:11I was not thinking $265 million, but I thought, this guy is the starter, and let's see how
06:16far this goes.
06:17Well, he was the starter because the other two were hurt.
06:18I mean, like stick and stay.
06:22Well, you didn't even know that until really going into last year, and then after last year,
06:26you still had some people thinking, well, that was a regression.
06:30So maybe two years ago was the anomaly, and maybe this is really who he is.
06:34And the durability questions now, for some, are real, and they're a thing.
06:39And so, I don't know.
06:41For me, it's not as easy as, if you went back to May, what would you do?
06:45Because you didn't know that Mack would be this, but I do think the bigger question is
06:48what you're talking about.
06:50If you have a really good system and a really good structure, then maybe you don't need
06:54to go out there and spend that much money on a quarterback if you've got this head coach
06:59and this play caller and this overall system.
07:01Tony Dungy said this on with the Joes this morning.
07:05What should the Niners do with this Mack and Brock and all of this stuff?
07:10The coach is sitting there saying, hey, I've got to do what's best for the team.
07:14I know who my guy is, and then when he's 100% and ready to go in his practice, we probably
07:19need to put him back in.
07:20But I certainly am not going to rush that process, and I'm not going to put him in
07:24when this other quarterback is playing so well.
07:27And Mack Jones is playing outstanding football for the 49ers, so I think they should wait
07:32until Brock has had his practice time and he is ready to go and fully 100%.
07:37Okay, and who doesn't agree with that?
07:40Like, right?
07:41Like, that to me, that's the...
07:43Well, that's circumstantial.
07:44What do you mean?
07:45I mean, they're 4-1.
07:46If they were 2-3, then I don't know if you'd be so patient.
07:50To wait until he was 100% fully ready to go.
07:52But I think that's his premise, is Mack is playing well.
07:54If you were 2-3, then Mack would, in theory, would not be playing well.
07:58Well, to Greg Cosell's point from earlier, if Kyron Williams doesn't fumble on the goal
08:02line, how do we feel about Mack Jones?
08:04Nobody wants to get into that.
08:06Right, and the reality is the reality, which is you're 4-1, but you are three or four plays
08:12away from being 1-4.
08:14And I guess you could be 0-5.
08:15I really don't see that, but let's just play with you could be 1-4, and you'd be thinking
08:20about, like, Brock Purdy, like, dude, tape it up and get out there.
08:24See, but to me, that's what goes back to your previous point and where I struggle with it
08:29when you say you know Mack Jones can win games in your system.
08:33Well, if Kyron Williams doesn't...
08:35If he doesn't fumble, then I don't know that we walk away going, you know Mack Jones can
08:40win games in your system.
08:42That's what I'm talking about with such an incredibly small sample, and especially at
08:47least two of your three wins are, like, crazy tight.
08:52Marvin Harrison catches a ball.
08:54Kyron Williams doesn't fumble.
08:56Would you say Mack Jones, quote, can definitely win games in your system?
09:02Well, Jake Tonjes with a 50-50 lob ball, he catches that from Brock Purdy.
09:07But Brock Purdy's in year four.
09:08We've already watched him go through two lengthy playoff runs.
09:12That's what I'm talking about.
09:13We have a much larger sample there.
09:16So the Mack Jones question to me, like, yeah, if Marvin Harrison and Kyron Williams got nothing
09:22to do with Mack, but if those two dudes would just have executed what they were supposed
09:27to do, and both of them were razor thin, then would we walk away with that same statement?
09:33Mack Jones can definitely win games in your system.
09:35I don't know.
09:36You probably would have a different perspective, but you look at what Mack did against LA with
09:41a completely outclassed and undermanned roster, and he got you to a spot where you could win
09:47that game.
09:48And yeah, the defense came through big for you to help you preserve it.
09:51But all of this is so complimentary that, yes, Mack Jones is 3-0 as the starting quarterback
09:57of the team, but it doesn't mean that because he's 3-0 that he is on an MVP track.
10:02It's because of all the other parts on the team that have come through.
10:06Of course.
10:07Tony Jones, Tony Dungy then said this with regard to the role that Mack is on.
10:12You know, with Minnesota and the Niners, and you're sitting here with two hot quarterbacks
10:17that are playing well, you don't want to take the sting away from your number one guy,
10:22but boy, you owe it to your team.
10:24If we've got a hot hand and this guy's playing well, it's hard to take him out.
10:27And so we have had those conversations.
10:29What would you do?
10:30And I think for the most part, we're saying, hey, let Mack roll as long as he's hot.
10:36My mind goes to it.
10:38Yeah, I disagree, but my mind also goes to something else.
10:42Tony Dungy watching?
10:43Tony Dungy waking up early?
10:45Carson Wentz is hot?
10:47Excuse me?
10:49Excuse me?
10:51They won.
10:51They beat Cleveland.
10:52They didn't win the week before, and he was gross in the first half.
10:56And he won against Cleveland with a late drive that was a nice drive,
11:03and that was a grinder.
11:06Like, again, yes, he won.
11:08That's wonderful.
11:09Carson Wentz is hot?
11:12Well, Mack Jones is the hot hand.
11:14Okay.
11:15I mean, Mack Jones is the hot hand.
11:18He's hotter than Carson Wentz.
11:19He's hotter than Brock Purdy.
11:21And that's what Tony was saying.
11:24And him invoking Carson Wentz is, I think, not as appropriate as him invoking Mack Jones,
11:33who, you know, 3-0.
11:353-0 is the starter.
11:373-0.
11:37And his thing was, and he used the phrase, hot hand.
11:40And Tony's talking about riding the hot hand, former NFL coach.
11:44Yep.
11:45And he even said, I think you owe it to those guys in the locker room.
11:48His previous statement, though, does not mesh with his second statement.
11:54The previous statement was all about, you can, the hot hand provides you the ability to wait
11:59until Brock is fully healthy.
12:01I mean, nobody disagrees with that.
12:04I would not, I would play conservative with regard to Brock Purdy's injury.
12:08I agree with that.
12:09At 4-1, yeah.
12:10Yeah.
12:10And the idea about fully healthy is easier to do when you are 4-1.
12:14Exactly.
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