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00:00A lot of these NBA players, they don't care about winning.
00:04They don't care about winning as much as they care about the bag.
00:07And there are certain people like, and we're lucky that we have, I don't know, three of them,
00:12Steph, Draymond, and Jimmy.
00:14They are all about winning, and they've won.
00:18And I do think LeBron is also in that same category.
00:20But you could look at many of the stars in the association.
00:23You could look at guys making $40-something million, and they could give a rat's ass
00:28whether or not they win or not.
00:30And I do think that that is a big problem with the association.
00:34Well, I don't know if it's a problem.
00:36I agree with your premise, though.
00:38It was Stiney's premise.
00:39Well, except for the idea that let's go back to, okay, let's take some of the stars you're talking about
00:45when you say they're all about winning.
00:46Well, that's because they have.
00:50That's because they're on the other side of it.
00:52If you really got them in an honest moment, you said to Draymond Green and Steph Curry,
00:56you've got to give one back.
00:58Like, either the rings or the status, what you've achieved, the status.
01:04And I know those things are a little bit hand-in-hand to a degree.
01:07But, like, your stardom, your shoe deal, your $60 million-a-year contract, who you are.
01:16You are Steph Curry.
01:18You are considered one of the best all-time.
01:20And I know you're not considered that without the rings.
01:21But you get what I'm saying.
01:22Like, is that part of your life or the actual rings?
01:26What would you give back?
01:27Like, would you trade being Steph Curry?
01:30Would you trade Under Armour in exchange for being, you know, Patrick McCaw?
01:38You could have the rings, but you don't get any of the Steph.
01:42Or would you rather be Steph and not have the rings?
01:45I don't think that what you're saying is a criticism.
01:48I think that's being a human being.
01:50That's the way we all look at it.
01:52If you work over at Home Depot, are you freaking out like we have got to finish ahead of Lowe's this quarter?
02:01Or do you just want your job?
02:04You want your job.
02:05You want it to go well.
02:06You want your check.
02:07And then you want to go home with your family and have your life.
02:09I'm thinking about a different stratosphere.
02:11Of course.
02:12I'm thinking about more like the Zach Levines, a guy who's making 42.
02:16And, you know, it'd be cool if we were kind of there at the end and I had a chance to get one of those.
02:23But I'm making 42.
02:24So, for me, it's more about that level of player.
02:28Guys who are making the bag and they don't have to be held to any real standard.
02:33And, you know, I don't want to name check too many other people because I don't know these people personally.
02:38But you can look around the association and find guys who are making, you know, nine-figure deals.
02:43And they're not on teams that win.
02:46And I don't even know if they are like, if they're going crazy for that.
02:50Like Damian Lillard for me is a great example.
02:51He did what he did in Portland for as long as he could.
02:54And he went to Milwaukee and he's like, you know what?
02:56I want to chase the ring.
02:58And he was already making the bag.
02:59He didn't have to leave to go do that.
03:01And he got hurt.
03:02And now he's back in Portland.
03:03And maybe now he's more in checkout mode.
03:05But I look at the league and I look at the problem with the association.
03:09And it's too many players and too many teams are, they're just chilling.
03:13And you don't have to really even play.
03:16You get paid no matter what.
03:17Yeah, you do.
03:18I mean, I think sometimes guys do the whole, like, I want to win.
03:22I've got to get after the rings.
03:23It's all about winning.
03:25They do that in some cases, not all cases, because they sort of feel like they have to.
03:30Like, that's what the fan base kind of demands.
03:33Like, we want people to be built like Kobe Bryant.
03:38And the real is, is that almost nobody is.
03:41Like, most people are not that maniacal.
03:46And in fact, similar to what Stiney said a few minutes ago, let's not act like those guys are great teammates.
03:52They're hell to be around until they start to come out of it.
03:56Kobe Bryant started being well-liked once he had kids.
03:59And the end of his career was near, and he tore his Achilles.
04:03And then he was like, ooh, I think we should start doing entertainment.
04:08How about showtime?
04:09How about a podcast?
04:10How about if I'm a hashtag girl dad, and I start being nice to everybody around me?
04:14He got it.
04:15But he wasn't like that before.
04:17He was hell to be around for his teammates before that.
04:21Because he was maniacal about winning, and if you weren't, he hated you.
04:26That's not how most people are in the association or anywhere else in life.
04:30I'm not really triggered by that.
04:32I get it.
04:33People are trying to, like, live their lives.
04:35They're trying to do their thing.
04:37And, you know, this conversation a little bit inspired by Jonathan Kaminga.
04:41Like, I'm not, that's the part of this that I have no problem with.
04:45If Jonathan is about a max contract and a shoe deal and a logo and a job as an NBA one, good for you.
04:57Then do that.
04:59There's no hard feelings.
05:01But, again, that job's full here.
05:05And so does that mean that he can't play here?
05:08It doesn't unless he's hell-bent on that role and the Warriors are hell-bent on the role that they see for him.
05:15And those things have never matched.
05:17They've never matched.
05:18And that's all that this is.
05:20That's all that it is.
05:21We've turned it into, Kerr doesn't develop people and he hates young people and Jonathan's a selfish jerk and all.
05:27No.
05:28They just have completely different visions for one another.
05:32And that's fine.
05:34And they're both very stubborn about those visions.
05:36So they've never been able to find that common ground where everybody feels good.
05:40Well, now they're in a spot where there should be common ground because he's got a one-year deal with a team option.
05:47And if the team is going to trade him, then he needs to keep his value high.
05:52And if the team is going to keep him, then he needs to play at the level that they actually would want to keep him.
05:58And Steve Kerr actually had this comment.
06:00And I was reading the Tim Kawakami article earlier today.
06:03He had a conversation with Steve Kerr and Steve is basically saying, you know, Kaminga, you got life-changing money.
06:10And I know it's not the deal you wanted, but what you got is a really big deal.
06:15And, you know, that's what you have.
06:17And so now it's up to you and it's up to us to try to do the best by each other and make this work.
06:22And, you know, there was no talk about a trade at the deadline or keeping him for two years or whatever.
06:26But I do think that the overarching reality is it is in each other's best interest for him to play well, for them to play him and have him be in the best possible spot.
06:37That way, either they trade him or they trade him and the value is high.
06:42Right, but they're going to play him, I firmly believe, in the role that they would like to play him.
06:46Of course.
06:47So that's what I appreciated yesterday about what Steve Kerr said.
06:51Like, did you all want him to blow sunshine up your ass?
06:54That's, I mean, it sounds to me like some people wanted that.
06:59You wanted Steve Kerr to come out and be inauthentic.
07:02This contract, in no way, shape, or form, represents the two sides getting together.
07:09You know what I mean?
07:09I've had a few people kind of hit us with the comment off of this conversation.
07:14Well, if that's how the Warriors felt, then why keep him?
07:16I'd argue they didn't.
07:18They didn't.
07:18If they wanted to, quote, keep him, they'd have offered him five years and $150 million.
07:25But that's not what this contract represents.
07:28It also doesn't represent Jonathan Kaminga wanting to stay.
07:32I think, did he say last week when he was asked, does he want to be a Warrior?
07:37His response was something along the lines of, well, I'm here, right?
07:41I do.
07:42Exactly.
07:43I'm here.
07:44It's like, right, you're here.
07:46So what does that mean?
07:47You want to be a Warrior?
07:48No, he wouldn't say the words.
07:50Because, no.
07:53Plan A is trade Jonathan.
07:56In February.
07:57That's Plan A.
07:59I don't know if Plan A is going to happen.
08:01Plan A doesn't always happen.
08:02You've got a three-year-old.
08:04Yep.
08:04Does Plan A happen on most days?
08:06Oh, boy.
08:07Yesterday we were down to about Plan G, as it turned out.
08:10No nap, and I got home, and she was already asleep.
08:14Well, I mean, I got home eventually, midnight.
08:17Shout out to the Bay Bridge and a stalled big rig.
08:19But, yeah.
08:20So Plan A for me yesterday was walk to my parking garage, drive home, and be home at 7.05, like every other day.
08:27What time did you get home?
08:288.30.
08:31Dude.
08:318.30.
08:32No, and you actually tipped me off, because you put down your window, and you're like, it's going to be a long one now.
08:37And I said, thanks, bro.
08:39Well, you would have already known.
08:40I knew.
08:41You can see it.
08:41Yep.
08:41The second you, was anybody in downtown San Francisco yesterday afternoon at rush hour?
08:47It was a total Schmidt show.
08:48You walk out whatever door you walk out of.
08:51No, it was good.
08:52You walk out of any door, and you look at one street, any intersection, and you're like, oh, damn it, the Bay Bridge is blocked.
08:59You can see it.
09:00You can see whenever something's going on on the bridge.
09:03As a pedestrian, and you're trying to cross a street, and there are five cars in the intersection.
09:08You can cross any street you want, because no one's going anywhere.
09:11You could literally cut someone off, and they won't hit you.
09:14Sure.
09:14Because there's another car two inches in front of them.
09:16And if they hit you, they're going one mile an hour.
09:18Ow!
09:19That really hit me.
09:21I was feeling for the Waymos.
09:22The Waymos must have been super confused.
09:25Dude.
09:25They're like, what's going on?
09:26But you can't talk to the Waymo.
09:28You can't tell them, yeah, there's an accident on the bridge, or a stalled truck, or whatever it was.
09:32Anyway, so look.
09:34Yeah, plan A, plan B, whatever.
09:36Yeah, but plan A is Trey Jonathan.
09:39That's plan A.
09:41Nothing changed.
09:42The contract was simply a means to an end.
09:46The contract was a way for everybody to continue to function, and not ruin a season, and not ruin Jonathan's career, and all of that.
09:54Like, everything about it suggested that.
09:56It's essentially a one-year deal.
09:58Like, everybody's going to get out of this as soon as possible.
10:02Yes, plan B, C, D could develop.
10:04Who knows?
10:05Anyway, look, Greg Cosell's going to join us in 45 minutes.
10:09There's some quarterbacking stuff we want to get to ahead of that.
10:12But this conversation was born out of the crossover and these comments from Steve Kerr at practice yesterday when he was asked, coming out of the Sunday preseason game,
10:23hey, how do you think it went with Kamingo when he was out there with the starting group, when he was out there with both Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green?
10:32There wasn't much spacing, which is the big concern, but we've got to, you know, continue to give them some looks.
10:41I think Al kind of changes the equation here.
10:46I'm really intrigued to put Al and J.K. together, you know, with Draymond or Jimmy.
10:53Like, that lineup makes perfect sense.
10:54But, you know, it still feels to me like if we're trying to play Jimmy, J.K., Draymond, just from the other night, immediately, the spacing was not great,
11:08and it puts pressure on our offense to really have to execute.
11:13But it's early in camp, too, and so if we can execute the stuff we're trying to operate, then, you know, it can be effective.
11:21But it's just not a smooth fit.
11:23I think that's kind of a two-inch putt.
11:25That's not the controversial statement that I feel like some would like to make it out to be.
11:31What he said when they left was, we're going to give this a whirl in camp.
11:36So then they arrive at camp.
11:38It looks exactly the same way it did last year, and Steve is acknowledging that.
11:42Then he said, but it's early in camp, so that whole thing that we promised to work on, we will.
11:48But it's certainly not there yet.
11:50No, and it's Al for me.
11:51Like, Al's the key, because if you can play Kaminga at four and Al Horford at the five and Draymond's out,
11:57Steph is in, theoretically, even if it's Moses or, you know, Steph Curry,
12:02it allows you to have a little bit more of that spacing that you would need.
12:06If it's Kaminga and Jimmy and Draymond, well, that's not going to work.
12:10No chance.
12:11You don't have any shooting on that team.
12:12You don't have any shooting on that team.
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