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00:00To me, this is a stupid way to look at it.
00:02I'm going to go ahead and say that.
00:04408, Willard knows it all.
00:07Dungy was a coach, and you're a fan with a platform, Willard.
00:11What the hell are you?
00:13What are we doing here?
00:14A fan with a text number.
00:17Boxer and Gerson.
00:18Let's talk it out.
00:23Have your opinion.
00:24We're right here.
00:26We're right here.
00:27I've got mine.
00:30You have yours.
00:32It's all good.
00:33Yeah.
00:33The Niners are 4-1.
00:36Mack is doing the damn thing.
00:39I still like Brock.
00:41Some of you don't.
00:42Great.
00:44Great.
00:45That's what we're doing here.
00:47If we're not allowed to disagree with somebody who is a coach or a player,
00:52well, then we've got a freaking problem because we've got a –
00:56I've got this – I don't know if you all know this.
00:57The sound that you hear, I've got a board in front of me.
01:01Yeah, you do.
01:01And it's got all of these little rectangles on it,
01:04and I can punch any one of them,
01:06and I can find former players and coaches who disagree with each other.
01:10Right.
01:11Because John Feliciano came on yesterday and thinks that the idea of starting anyone but Brock Purdy,
01:18apparently for the next 10 years, if he's healthy, is crazy.
01:23Well, he's going to get you two Super Bowls.
01:25And he was literally on his team last year.
01:28Is that not credibility?
01:31Is that not credibility?
01:33It is, but the man bought him a truck.
01:35Whatever.
01:35So let's just, you know.
01:37I'm actually going to – here's where – and this came up.
01:40What was it?
01:40Ryan Clark that got all in trouble because he did the whole, like,
01:45you didn't play so you don't get an opinion thing?
01:48Sure, yep.
01:48Let's all – can we collectively agree let's not do that?
01:52I don't like that, and I bet you don't like that.
01:55No.
01:55I don't want this show to be like – I mean, you're just a fan,
02:01so what the hell do you know?
02:02I don't know.
02:03I could argue we pay all of their salaries.
02:05What if our democracy worked that way?
02:07Like, if you didn't hold office, you don't get to vote?
02:11Because you never – you were never president, so you don't get to vote.
02:15Or you were never the mayor, so you don't get to vote for mayor?
02:18I'm not trying to make it all political, but –
02:20Yeah, I was going to say, some might argue certain people in politics
02:23are actually the least credible people in the entire world.
02:26Well, and at least when it comes time, the people who want to have an opinion,
02:31you get a vote, and that's the same thing with this topic.
02:35We're all fans, and John Feliciano's not on the Niners anymore,
02:39and so he's basically a fan.
02:41He's got more knowledge because he knows these people up close and personal,
02:45but for the rest of us, yeah, we're the paying customer,
02:48and if you go to a restaurant and you have a meal that you don't like,
02:51you're not allowed to say, hey, I didn't really like that because I was never a chef?
02:57I mean, how would that work, right?
02:59It's kind of a fun comp.
03:00Like, hey, how was your dinner?
03:03Well, I'd let you know, but I was never a professional chef,
03:07so I'm not authorized to tell you what I thought of that meal.
03:10What would Yelp do if that were the case?
03:12Dude, they'd miss me, I'll tell you that.
03:14They wouldn't exist.
03:16They could just respond to every comment, well, you don't work here.
03:20So you're not allowed to this, that, or the other.
03:24Yeah, it's all good, right, people?
03:27It's all good.
03:29It's all good.
03:30If you want to start Mac for the rest of the year, I'm not mad at you.
03:33I just have a different way of looking at it.
03:37In fact, I think largely the show today, what I would love to hear,
03:41like, does anybody think that the Niners shouldn't have done the Brock contract
03:45simply because that's not the way to build the 49ers?
03:50To me, that's much more interesting because we can sit here in the streets
03:55right now, and if we want to, and I know this is the way it works,
03:58we can get red in the face and scream, Mac, Brock, Brock, Matt, we can do that.
04:03It's going to work itself out, number one.
04:05Number two, like, they're pot committed.
04:08Brock Purdy is their starting quarterback.
04:10That's the guy.
04:11That's the guy.
04:12And whether that's right or wrong, that will play out over the next handful of years.
04:18The other fun thing is, in the midst of everybody yelling in the streets,
04:23the Niners are 4-1, which I stated yesterday, that's the best.
04:28They're not the best 4-1 team, but they've got the best 4-1 in the NFL
04:32because it feels like they're stealing.
04:34Everybody else who's 4-1, you know, has their quarterback and most of their people.
04:44Tampa would be the same sort of, we're stealing at 4-1.
04:47I don't know.
04:47Just the way that they, Atlanta let them off the hook with a kick that got missed.
04:51The way they've won the games.
04:53But, I mean, they've got their quarterback, at least.
04:54Sure, but they don't have their top two receivers, and you could say Abuka now is,
04:58but you haven't had Godwin and you haven't had Evans for a while.
05:02Yeah, Abuka's definitely.
05:03You lost your running back now, and you lost your left tackle.
05:05So, I mean, Tampa and the Niners are, in very many ways,
05:09mirror images in their big-time losses, and yet they're both 4-1.
05:13Yeah.
05:14So, it's stealing versus stealing.
05:16Sunday at 1.
05:18Phenomenal.
05:19How great is this?
05:21How great is this?
05:24You win games and get to scream at each other in the streets about the quarterback?
05:28I mean, who's having a more fun, better year than the San Francisco 49ers?
05:36This is a Jim Harbaugh special.
05:38Who's got it better than us?
05:41Nobody.
05:42Well, if you were 1-4, you wouldn't be screaming at each other in the streets.
05:45You'd be screaming at Shanahan because he keeps getting his guys hurt.
05:49But because you're 4-1, the idea of him running so-and-so into the ground,
05:55it's not even a thing.
05:57And I just was looking at our Twitter feed during the break,
06:01and 95.7 The Game put out the injury report, and they quoted my daughter,
06:05and they said, in honor of Dan Dibley's daughter, I don't yike it.
06:10No, I don't.
06:11Because the list was like 17 names long.
06:13It's very long.
06:14And you're 4-1.
06:15Yeah.
06:16It's a long list.
06:18And distinguished.
06:19Right.
06:19And also indistinguished.
06:21That's a good point, too.
06:23Jordan Watkins, hello, are you going to ever play?
06:26No, no.
06:27This is going to be a lost year for a rookie receiver.
06:30Right.
06:30The Niners have signed 18 other receivers.
06:32They've got four more coming back.
06:34I don't know.
06:34How's he going to work his way through this?
06:36It sucks.
06:37They're super excited about him.
06:39He's really good.
06:40And the fragile little Oregon running back, too, who hasn't been able to play?
06:45Wow, that was a death stare.
06:47Grandy did not like that.
06:49He don't yike it.
06:51Talking about Bucky Irving?
06:53Talking about the Niners.
06:55No.
06:55Jordan James.
06:56Jordan James.
06:57Listen to the show.
06:58Keep up.
06:59I'm cutting Greg Cosell.
07:00Excuse me.
07:02He's working for us.
07:03Yeah, he always is.
07:04If he's not working, he's eating his turkey sandwich.
07:07And I think we've already passed the sandwich portion of the show.
07:09I had mine in honor of Mark Grandy.
07:11I brought one in today, too.
07:12Nice.
07:13It's kind of a mini one.
07:14And Grandy famously described to us what happens after he chews the sandwich.
07:20What happens?
07:21I'm not saying it again.
07:24You know what happens.
07:25I know.
07:25I just wanted to say it again.
07:26I did, too.
07:27All right.
07:28Fool me one time.
07:29Shame on you.
07:31You can't be fooled again.
07:32Is the answer dry heave?
07:35No.
07:36No, no, no, no, no.
07:36I'm not Mac Jones.
07:38Good point.
07:39Let's go to Austin.
07:39Pickle juice.
07:40Let's go to Austin in San Jose.
07:42Hi, Austin.
07:43Thank you for calling.
07:43What's up?
07:45Hey, fellas.
07:46Good to talk to you guys again, Dibs.
07:48Man, it's great to talk to you.
07:49I'm glad we were able to get past our differences.
07:52So I just wanted to call and say hello to you guys.
07:54That's all.
07:54What's up, Austin?
07:55Listen, regarding the whole, Willard, I think I could be a little bit more subjective because
08:01I'm not a Niner fan, but I'm a Commander fan and all that stuff.
08:05And Jaden Daniels and yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:07I like your quarterback.
08:08Yeah.
08:08Okay.
08:09But I thought Mariotta was going to be a decent backup, but he kind of kicked up a little
08:14bit.
08:15But I think he's still a decent backup.
08:16But listen, I wanted to kind of, Willard, challenge you a little bit on the, I think the
08:20contract is really the issue because if you looked at it just in terms of, let's
08:25say the contract didn't exist.
08:26Now, I actually thought that the Niners missed an opportunity.
08:29They could have gone out and gotten Donald.
08:32They could have gone out and gotten Justin Fields.
08:34And you could have said, well, yeah, they're not as good as Brock, but at least, and they
08:38could have still got Matt Jones, by the way.
08:40They could have had that scenario plus Matt Jones.
08:43Now you'd be in a better position to say, okay, let's compete.
08:46Let's not worry about, we already paid this dude $53 million a year, which I feel like,
08:52Willard, you're kind of, I know you're not, but it feels like, you know,
08:55like you're, you're trying to be one of, you want to justify Brock being the guy organizationally
09:01because of the contract.
09:02And I think that's really the issue.
09:04I think you look at the contract.
09:05Oh, most, most Austin, hold, pause.
09:09Most definitely not.
09:10And you know that because you know exactly what I've been saying about Brock Purdy well
09:15before he got paid.
09:17I'm not trying to justify anything.
09:18It's not my money.
09:20I happen to think he's a good player.
09:22If you think that makes me crazy, great.
09:24Great.
09:25Have that opinion.
09:26You like Justin Fields.
09:27He's 0-5 and the Niners think he sucks.
09:30They thought he sucked when they went into the draft.
09:33That was the one guy they definitely did not want to take.
09:36So, you know, like we can all see it the way we see it.
09:39Like, can I ask you that, Austin?
09:41Why do you like Justin Fields?
09:44Because it's a system.
09:45I think you guys went on kind of at length early on in the car.
09:49I was listening to the car.
09:50You talked about the system.
09:52I think there is a certain – there's validity to that
09:54because what court – you could put Justin Fields in this system.
09:59Sam Donald, I think, could do equally.
10:01I think the question is really is now that we've got this contract,
10:05how much better – and I know you don't want to go here, Willard,
10:08but how much better is Brock than Matt Jones?
10:11I think if you look at Jaden Daniels – let's extrapolate.
10:15Jaden Daniels versus Mariota,
10:17there's no question about who's the best quarterback.
10:19I think it's a lot closer conversation with Matt Jones and Brock,
10:24and you've got a $53 million a year commitment to Brock.
10:28I think that's really the question.
10:30That's really the word different to me, Willard.
10:32Okay, I don't know if you agree or not, buddy.
10:34Well, I'll agree with you that the gap between, I guess we're saying,
10:37Mack versus Brock is smaller than the gap between Mariota and Jaden Daniels.
10:43Was that your example?
10:45Yes.
10:46Yeah, I'll agree with you there.
10:48The way I sort of said it – and again, I'm not bothered by $53 million.
10:53As Dibs said, when you drive into the gas station, it costs what it costs.
10:57You don't get to negotiate it.
10:59And this is what a starting quarterback costs largely, give or take,
11:04if you want to keep one.
11:05So the question for me isn't, is Brock Purdy $45 million better than Mack Jones?
11:12Or if you could have gotten Mack for, let's say he, I don't know,
11:15wins the rest of the games this year and you could get him next year.
11:18Or Sam.
11:18Sam's a better example.
11:20You know what I mean?
11:20You can get a guy like that for $30 million or $40 million,
11:24as opposed to getting Brock for $53 million.
11:26As a fan, I want the best guy, and I'm willing to pay for that,
11:32even if he's only a tick better.
11:34And if you're asking me if I think if he's a tick better than Mack Jones,
11:37I absolutely do.
11:40Time will tell how much better, but if there's any gap at all,
11:44I want the better player.
11:46That's the way I look at it.
11:49The final thing I'll say is you didn't need to, and Parag, and listen,
11:54I'm not a financialist.
11:55I was looking at the numbers.
11:56You didn't need to pay $53 million per year to get the result that you
12:02probably could have gotten paying lesser to quarterbacks that are very close
12:07to Brock.
12:09That's my final point.
12:10Like who?
12:11Like who, Austin?
12:13I just told you, Darnold.
12:14I just told you, Darnold.
12:15I just told you, Darnold.
12:17I mean, I think he should get you there.
12:19I think he's as good as Brock on any given Sunday.
12:22And Darnold's making, what, $35 million a year?
12:25Austin, thanks.
12:26Somewhere in there?
12:26I actually don't know what that contract he got in Seattle.
12:29Was it a three-year?
12:29I thought it was $300,000 roughly.
12:31Something in that neighborhood?
12:34Yeah.
12:35Yeah, exactly.
12:36Yeah.
12:36$55 million a year, dude.
12:37$300,000.
12:38So, yeah, could you have gotten Darnold for cheaper?
12:41Sure.
12:41Or is Darnold as good as Brock Purdy in this system?
12:45He might be, but we never saw it.
12:47Yeah, don't know.
12:48To me, it goes to the whole idea of a bird in the hand versus two in the bush.
12:52And the bird in the hand was Brock Purdy.
12:54And if you like the bird in the hand, then you stay with it.
12:57And the cost of doing business is what you paid.
12:59Now, if you want to really roll those dice and you want to throw them out there and say,
13:04you know what, Brock, we're not going to do this.
13:05We're not doing $53 million.
13:07We're going to go out there and, you know, try to chase it and stopgap it.
13:11Not knowing what we know about Mac Jones, by the way.
13:13You would have had to say, you know what, we still love Mac Jones.
13:16We think we can get him and he'll be that dude.
13:19Well, that's risky.
13:21It's probably a little bit more risky, in my opinion, than paying the guy that you already
13:26have seen and the guy who you like.
13:27Yeah, so, like, is Sam Donald as good as Brock?
13:31I don't know.
13:32He might be better.
13:32Like, we haven't seen it.
13:35But where my mind goes when you ask a question like that is to start to go, okay, hang on.
13:43Now let's run out actually doing that.
13:46And this is where I think some people do get caught up, is this isn't fantasy football.
13:53Do you know what I mean?
13:54Like, Guru, about three hours ago, offered me Jordan Love for Devon A. Chan.
13:59So we can do that on a computer.
14:01Yep.
14:01That's fun.
14:02I said no.
14:03Yeah, I said no.
14:04Because running backs are too hard to find when there's a thousand people in the league.
14:07And no.
14:08Like, I'm having a hard enough time getting two running backs on the field.
14:12I'm not going to give you my only good one.
14:13But we can do all of that because I don't actually know Devon.
14:19And I don't know Jordan.
14:21And I don't coach any of their teammates.
14:24And you don't have a system.
14:25So.
14:26Like, you're just a guy with a fantasy team.
14:28Run through sitting in a locker room.
14:31You have a quarterback who's already there.
14:34He's made like $3 million over three years.
14:37And in two of those years, you ended up at least in the NFC title game.
14:40One of them you ended up in the Super Bowl and you ended up in overtime.
14:42And then, as he gets just ready to go and do contract negotiation year, you sign someone else.
14:53You sign someone else who has never really played games for you before.
14:57So you go get Sam Darnold for $35 million instead of Brock Purdy.
15:02And Brock is still on the team.
15:04He's still sitting there.
15:05What are you welcoming into your room?
15:07That's chaos.
15:08That's complete and total chaos.
15:12And very controversial.
15:14And very, very difficult, I think, for teammates and whatnot to wrap their head around.
15:19Do you hear the way Feliciano talks about Brock?
15:22That's how the teammates feel.
15:25So you're willfully walking into the room and just nuking everything that they've known for a three-year period.
15:36All because you think, well, this guy might be better for a few less bucks.
15:42Right.
15:43A lot less bucks.
15:44Well, okay.
15:45$35 versus $52.
15:48Sure.
15:48Three years versus five.
15:50It's not even about the money.
15:51It's about the signal you're sending.
15:52By the way, don't forget, you'd have to pay Sam the $35 right away this year.
15:57Yeah.
15:57You're not doing that with Brock.
15:58You're paying Brock $9.
15:59Brock's making $9.
16:01Sam's making $35.
16:02So the dollars and cents of it, I think we, I get it.
16:07It's fun.
16:08We get locked in on it.
16:09But somehow what gets lost in this is, like, dude, you've got to run your team.
16:14That would be very chaotic to try to pull a maneuver like that on a 49er team that had been having a lot of success.
16:24With a guy that they seemingly really like.
16:28And, you know, John Feliciano's a good example of a guy who's played with him and he vouches for him and he loves him.
16:33And the rest of the team, I'm sure that they're all behind Brock Purdy and what he's done and how much they've won.
16:39And that ultimately is what matters to these players.
16:41Is the quarterback good enough?
16:43Is he a good leader?
16:44And are we winning?
16:45And if those are all yeses, then they don't care how much the guy's making.
16:49Keep the guy.
16:50Keep the guy we win with.
16:51And no disrespect to Sam Darnold because he went to Minnesota and had a great year.
16:56But, you know, you go to Seattle and he's making what he makes.
16:58And you didn't want to have him come here and make that because basically you're saying to Brock, well, thanks for the effort, Brock.
17:05And you're going to be gone now at the end of this year.
17:08And then if Darnold doesn't work out, then you're back to square one.
17:12Sam's a good player.
17:13No doubt.
17:14Yeah.
17:15No doubt.
17:15I like Sam is one, for example, like that was not someone that I as a fan gave up on after the experiences with the Jets and the Panthers.
17:28I was still like, wouldn't you love to see him not on the Jets or the Panthers?
17:35I would.
17:36But Baker Mayfield, I didn't think, I didn't ever think it would look like this.
17:40But Baker was someone who I'm like, he can play a little bit.
17:44Austin and San Jose brought up Justin Fields.
17:46And I think that he's a fascinating example.
17:49It sure is.
17:49If you look at just what he has done as a quarterback, he's gotten better.
17:54And he started out with Matt Nagy for a year.
17:58Then he had two years with the Flus.
18:01Matt Eberflus, who's a defensive minded guy.
18:05You go to Pittsburgh with Tomlin, defensive minded.
18:08And now you're with the Jets, Aaron Glenn, defensive minded.
18:10So I don't think that he's yet landed in a spot where he can really thrive.
18:16Like, Darnold goes to Minnesota with a great offensive mind, a lot of talent around him, and you thrive.
18:22And so, and you and I had this Trevor Lawrence debate a couple weeks ago about Trevor.
18:26And now you see him with Liam Cohen, offensive minded guy.
18:30Trevor's a little bit better, I think.
18:33I know this, they're 4-1.
18:35And they've got a lot of talent around him.
18:37And so, I think about situation and like the complimentary pieces.
18:43Justin Fields in New York with the Jets, this is not a fair way to judge him.
18:48Because that team is largely a mess.
18:50I'll buy that at the same time.
18:52And again, when I use the word sucks, I'm going by what the Niners, like, they're, that's probably the wrong word.
18:59Their evaluation in the year that they drafted Trey Lance, that also had Justin Fields, that also had Mac Jones.
19:05I think there were a bunch of quarterbacks the Niners were somewhat comfortable with.
19:09That's why they traded up to three, knowing that, like, you have to be comfortable with at least three, right?
19:15I think they ended up maybe even being comfortable with four.
19:18They would have been comfortable with Trevor.
19:19They would have been comfortable with Zach Wilson.
19:22They were comfortable with Mac Jones, comfortable with Trey Lance.
19:25I do not think they were comfortable with Justin Fields.
19:27In fact, I know.
19:28I know they were not comfortable with Justin Fields.
19:31And then what we've seen since then, yeah, I think the guy's got, like, he's a talented guy.
19:36Can he ever be a winning football player?
19:38Yeah, you might be right.
19:39The jury's still out.
19:41I don't think that he fits the, what the 49ers are trying to do, as well as some others.
19:47And by the way, the Trevor Lawrence thing that you're talking about, like, yeah, they're four and one.
19:54And I don't want to box score dive, but Trevor Lawrence's metrics right now are no better.
20:00I'm just not that much of a fan of what I, like, he's six picks or six touchdowns, five picks, and his completion percentage is 60.
20:08Like, I don't, he's going to need to be better, in my opinion, for that team to really thrive over a lengthier period of time.
20:17Yeah, and I look at what they've had, which, you know, you've had the rookie wide receiver, the second-year receiver with a bunch of drops.
20:24Brian Thomas.
20:24Brian Thomas with, you know.
20:26He's been better.
20:26Major drops.
20:27He's been better of late.
20:28And any time you're a quarterback in a new system, I allow you a certain amount of grace and time to grow.
20:34And that's where Justin Fields in New York, not a great start, but he's yet to throw an interception.
20:40His completion percentage is the highest of his career.
20:43They're 0-4.
20:44Yeah, well, they're 0-5, and he is not playing.
20:46He's 0-4.
20:46Yeah, he is not.
20:47I mean, one of those, he's barely played.
20:50Like, he's played three full games.
20:51Right, exactly.
20:52So that's what we're talking about, a small, yeah.
20:54And I do think about the system, and this is where, you know, you look at any quarterback in any system, a lot of times you need the right coach, the right play caller, the right talent around you in order to actually play as well as you possibly can.
21:08And that's where Mac Jones right now has his stock higher than it's ever been.
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