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00:00All I'm saying is I would like to go week to week.
00:05That's all I'm saying.
00:06There's no reason for us to get ahead of ourselves.
00:10We're terrible at it.
00:12We're awful at it.
00:13You were playing the schedule game with me again about an hour and a half ago.
00:17Schedule Sam.
00:18Schedule Sam came into the building.
00:20He's like, you know, they play Tennessee in December.
00:23And I think, well, I don't know who's playing.
00:26Let's do this week.
00:27I don't even know who's playing quarterback this week.
00:31I assume it's Big Mac.
00:33Big Mac, I assume.
00:36But if he plays, if he wins, great.
00:39Then let's assess next week.
00:41Then who's healthy?
00:43Is Brock healthy?
00:44Is Mac healthy?
00:45What's the right thing to do?
00:47Sunday night football coming to town.
00:49I'm not grabbing out a Sharpie.
00:51If Mac wins, he plays again the next week.
00:53Why?
00:55Why?
00:55How does that help?
00:56That's what I don't understand.
00:59And what did Brock do to you all?
01:02That's another question I've got.
01:04It has very little to do with Brock.
01:06For you.
01:07Well, I think for a lot of people, it does.
01:09It has to do with 3-0.
01:11And if you look at every other backup in the league so far this year,
01:14they have a total of four wins.
01:16And Mac has three.
01:17So Mac versus the world, he's only down 4-3.
01:20And there have been a lot of these backups who've gone out there and actually started games.
01:25Actually, that's an interesting thing you bring up.
01:27Is any quarterback other than Mac Jones in the NFL unbeaten?
01:32Is anybody?
01:34Because no one's unbeaten.
01:36But I'm trying to think of it like Josh Allen's got a loss.
01:38Yep.
01:39Jalen Hurts has a loss.
01:40Baker Mayfield's got a loss.
01:41Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson have a bunch of losses.
01:45Who else is 4-1?
01:46Daniel Jones has a loss.
01:50Let's see.
01:51Jared Goff's got a loss.
01:53Oh, yeah.
01:54Trevor Lawrence has a loss.
01:55Joe Burrow.
01:55Undefeated.
01:57Oh, Joe Burrow.
01:58Joe Burrow.
01:59Are any other non-IR quarterbacks undefeated?
02:04Mac Jones is the only one?
02:05Yep.
02:06Okay.
02:06Yep.
02:06Yes, he is.
02:07Okay.
02:07Yes, he is.
02:09No, this is all worth something.
02:10Don't get me wrong.
02:11This is worth something.
02:12Right.
02:12And if he gets to 4-0, and for me, it comes down to one man's toe.
02:19And when Brock's toe is good to go, he plays.
02:21It just becomes a little bit more pressurized for the Niners, for Kyle, for Brock, if it is
02:28in two weeks, and they beat Tampa, and they beat Atlanta on primetime, and then you know
02:33what?
02:33Brock is ready.
02:34The toe is good to go.
02:36Mac is 5-0.
02:38And you are 6-1.
02:40Then it becomes much more scrutinized and pressurized in that moment.
02:44Here's where I will completely agree with you.
02:48You've got to pick the right spot.
02:51And what I mean by that is, yes, he needs to be 100% healthy.
02:56The last thing you want to do is bring him in and then have him perform at less than ideal
03:02circumstances, and I would, I'm not saying I would be mindful of the opponent, but do
03:09think about when you're bringing him in.
03:12Like the scenario you just played out, Mac Jones, let's say he wins at Tampa, then you
03:17get Sunday night freaking football.
03:19So you're on the highest rated television in the whole country, and you're playing a
03:22team that I don't think very much of.
03:24Nope.
03:24They're not awful, but you're going to be favored by probably 6 or 6.5 in that one.
03:29You're going to be a favor, right?
03:30So you come in and let's say, boom, that's a good setup for a good performance.
03:36So you're at home, the weather should be great, Sunday night football, not a great defense.
03:41Okay, you cut through them for 300 yards and a couple of scores, and you win.
03:45And then Brock's healthy.
03:47And you're going to send them on the road to face what I think is maybe the most underrated
03:52defense in the entire NFL, which is Houston.
03:55Or even if it's Mac.
03:56Like that's a much harder assignment.
04:00So I don't think you worry too much about opponent.
04:03You mainly focus on health.
04:05And I will agree, I'll meet everybody halfway on this, that yeah, I'm going to stick with
04:10Mac until you feel as good as you can possibly feel that Brock is fully healthy and will not
04:17re-injure his toe.
04:19That I agree with.
04:20That I fully agree with.
04:21But the concept of Brock being 100%, and we're sticking with Mac just because he's
04:26rolling, that to me, that's reckless.
04:30That's a reckless thing to sign up for.
04:32I don't know if it's reckless if it, let's just say that Brock is not 100%, as you say,
04:37for four more weeks, and Mac has won all four of those games.
04:41So now he's 7-0, and you are 8-1 as a team.
04:45And I know that this is a little bit of a wild hypothetical, but it's in play.
04:49I mean, look at who they play.
04:52Your dogs on Sunday, you're getting three at Tampa, and then I'm just looking at the
04:57look, look, look, the Nahigian look-ahead lines.
05:00Six-and-a-half point favorites against Atlanta.
05:02What about Houston?
05:03One-and-a-half at Houston.
05:04What about the New York Giants?
05:05Three-and-a-half at New York.
05:07Okay.
05:07And then you're favored by one-and-a-half against the Rams.
05:09Against the Rams.
05:10And that's the look-ahead, and that's the home game, whatever.
05:13I mean, we're almost to Thanksgiving by then.
05:14Well, just looking ahead through the rest of the year, this Sunday is the last time that
05:19you are an underdog in a game.
05:21On the look-ahead lines.
05:22On the look-ahead.
05:22You're favored in all the rest.
05:24So it's not out of the realm of possibility.
05:26You're favored at Indy?
05:28Really?
05:29Yep, by three.
05:30Really?
05:31In the look-ahead lines that I'm looking at.
05:34That's pretty wild.
05:35Yeah.
05:35I find that to be surprising, don't you?
05:38A little bit, but...
05:39Indy's good.
05:40Like, I'm a believer.
05:41Indy's good.
05:42For sure.
05:43I mean, they're the best running back in football.
05:45They've passed all the tests, and they're blowing people out.
05:48And I know they lost to the Rams, and, you know, okay, we got another guy throwing the
05:52ball out the back of the end zone before he crosses the goal line.
05:55They probably win that game.
05:57Instead, whatever.
05:58They lost the game.
05:59Yeah.
05:59I think these lines are all set before week one.
06:02I don't know if they are updated on the regular, but because I'm looking at Indy, and
06:07they are underdog in a lot of games, including next week where they're, or maybe it's this
06:15week.
06:15Actually, no, it's next week.
06:16They're underdog against the Chargers by six.
06:19Six?
06:20Yeah.
06:20No, that doesn't make any sense.
06:21These probably haven't been updated, but the greater point for me is if the Niners do
06:26continue to play well and win, and Brock's not ready for three or four more weeks, then
06:32the more that this goes on, the bigger the question is about whether or not you should
06:36make the move.
06:36No question.
06:37All I'm saying, I'm not even saying that, like, you know, you may get to a scenario where
06:43the hypotheticals get a little wild.
06:45Like, yeah, if Mack goes eight and O in the next, okay, then we'll have that conversation
06:50then, that feels a little far-fetched to me, but okay, sure.
06:55Then you have that conversation.
06:57My point is, is to wake up today and welcome this to your locker room like it's a good thing.
07:03I just, I'm comfortable with the word reckless.
07:07And I know that most people will see it differently because you're like, it's just, but you win.
07:11You win and that's it.
07:12Well, actually, I think there's more to it than that.
07:15Yes, that's the only thing that matters when you're playing the game is you go win.
07:20But you, like, I'm telling you, you do not welcome openly a quarterback controversy to
07:25your locker room.
07:26You especially don't do it literally months after you sign somebody to a five-year, $265
07:32million deal.
07:33That is not something that you openly want to kind of campaign for, which to me, thinking
07:39about beyond Tampa Bay is doing.
07:42You're campaigning for that if you're going to say things like, he wins this game, you
07:47definitely stick with him.
07:48No, you don't.
07:49No, you don't.
07:51You don't have any idea what it looked like.
07:53You don't have any idea what his health is.
07:56You don't have any idea.
07:57What if they win the game three to two?
08:00What if?
08:02I mean, like, there's so many things in play there.
08:06And so, yeah, I find it to be a little bit loose with your stuff.
08:10To just be like, this is fun.
08:13Right, Mac.
08:14Hot hand.
08:15Woo.
08:15Like, oh, yeah.
08:17That's the...
08:18It's only a problem if Brock is somebody who has a fragile ego.
08:22See, I disagree.
08:24Or if the locker room really doesn't believe in Mac Jones.
08:27That's the only way this becomes a problem.
08:29No, it becomes a problem if, no, what you're welcoming is the locker room not believing in
08:34Brock Purdy.
08:35That's what I'm talking about.
08:37His ego is fine.
08:38Everybody...
08:39Mac Jones and Brock Purdy are the two perfect people for this.
08:43Like, do you sense a damn...
08:45I don't think there's a hair on either of their body that is stood up about this.
08:49They're fine.
08:50They're grounded.
08:51They get it.
08:52They're trying to win football games.
08:54I'm not worried about either of their egos.
08:57I simply think you don't handle the, as it's sometimes called, the quarterback is the CEO
09:04of your franchise.
09:06You don't handle your CEO this way.
09:08You just don't do that.
09:09Because it provides and welcomes confusion and just locker room issues.
09:16It just welcomes it to the party if you're going to, essentially, what you guys are suggesting
09:21is that you'd bench him.
09:22That's what you're saying.
09:23If a 100% Brock Purdy doesn't play, you're benching him.
09:27You're not benching him.
09:28At least temporarily.
09:29Yes, you are.
09:30The word benching is, I think, inappropriate because what you're doing is you're playing
09:35the guy who's winning.
09:36It's not about Brock Purdy.
09:37So if Brock comes back and Mac is playing like he's played and Mark Grandy gave him an
09:43A+, and you gave him an A, and I gave him an A for the game against the Rams, and they
09:47didn't have anybody else around, and he won that game.
09:50And so you can actually risk the other part of it where, okay, so Brock is now ready, and
09:57Mac has never lost as your quarterback, and now you're going to go to Brock?
10:00And if Brock goes out there and you lose the game, now you're at risk of losing the locker
10:06room in the same sort of way.
10:07Well, no, I don't see that as losing the locker room.
10:09And that's a risk that you, to me, is it a risk?
10:13It's a risk that you have to take.
10:14It's risky either way.
10:15You have to, that's something that, to me, you have to stick your chest out and own where
10:20you are as an organization.
10:23Brock Purdy is your starting quarterback.
10:25Nobody has that twisted.
10:26Nobody has that twisted except for social media.
10:29So what I'm saying is I'm disagreeing with you on the idea of whether or not sitting a fully
10:37100% Brock Purdy would qualify as a benching.
10:40I don't know how you could see it any other way.
10:42Of course it is.
10:43If a 100% healthy starter doesn't get the nod, then he got benched.
10:49It's, I don't even know if I would use that word.
10:51Like, benching to me has a negative overtone about, you know, why you're making a move.
10:57And, you know, there was a, Keon Coleman for the Bills.
11:01He got benched for the first series in their game because of something that happened with
11:05the team, that was a benching.
11:07And Brandon Iyuk, he got benched because he wasn't blocking or he wasn't doing what
11:11the coach wanted.
11:12This would not be a benching.
11:13This would be a team playing the quarterback that they feel like is playing really well
11:19and you're winning every game.
11:20That's a benching.
11:21Well, whatever.
11:22I don't want to get stuck on the terms.
11:24But you're taking it as always like a disciplinary thing.
11:27If you go with someone else because you think they're better than the other person got benched.
11:31Well, Michael Penix Jr. got benched because he was terrible.
11:35So they went to Cousins and he got benched.
11:37But the game was over.
11:39He got pulled.
11:40Sure.
11:41Pulled.
11:42He got pulled because the game was over.
11:43Whatever you want to put on it.
11:45To me, benched would be if I started Kirk Cousins the following week.
11:48If Michael Penix is healthy and I start Kirk Cousins.
11:52Russell Wilson got benched.
11:54Absolutely.
11:55Absolutely he got benched.
11:57Yeah, that's Russell Wilson.
11:58Yeah.
11:58And, you know, it's because he went with someone else because we think they're better.
12:02Right.
12:02And so I don't think that it's a little different because you knew it was coming before the year
12:05even started.
12:06And I do think that in this case where if it's one more game or two more games, however many
12:11more games it is, if Mac continues to win, I don't know how you go in that locker room
12:16and say, hey, guys, I know that we're 7-0 with Mac Jones, 6-0, whatever it is, but we're
12:22going back to Brock.
12:23Yeah, our starting quarterback's healthy.
12:25Sure.
12:26And then you go out and you lose, and what does that do?
12:29Well, then now you have a conversation.
12:32It's a controversy, is what it is.
12:34Probably.
12:34Yep.
12:35Probably, although I bet even still they wouldn't see it that way because you don't look at
12:41and forget the contract.
12:43Everyone, I'm really not, quite frankly, trying to make it about the contract.
12:46I make it more in an emotional way.
12:48That's your starter.
12:49That's your guy.
12:51That's your guy.
12:51And there's no question about that.
12:53I do think the contract is a big piece of it.
12:56It is for a lot of people, but I don't think the Niners, like, in other words, if I'm Kyle
13:00Shanahan and I'm, like, in charge of this locker room, I'm in charge of this team, I'm
13:06not thinking about it in terms of, like, $265 million.
13:11Like, we have to do this.
13:13I think that you're in charge of managing your people and you manage your people a certain
13:19way.
13:20And when you have somebody who is, that's your guy, like, that is your guy, and there
13:25are no questions about that, then you handle that a certain way.
13:29And especially when that guy hasn't really done anything wrong.
13:35Like, okay, we can get into last year, you can get into the game against Jacksonville.
13:39It's fine.
13:40That's all on the table, but we're not, we're not, like, all the way down the road of people.
13:46Like, in other words, if Mack wasn't here, would people be like, gotta move on from this
13:51Brock Purdy guy.
13:52Like, we have a very small set of games here where people would be suggesting there's a
13:58problem at the quarterback position.
14:00He's the unquestioned guy, therefore, when that guy's ready to go, you don't have any
14:05questions, because it's unquestioned.
14:07Well, you already don't have any questions about what the other guy is doing.
14:11And the other guy, all he's done is come in and play tough.
14:14You gotta go out there and be tough.
14:16And he's won every game he started.
14:18So, for me, it becomes more complicated than, okay, if Brock is healthy and we don't go back
14:24to Brock, then what does it mean for Brock and the future and all the rest of it?
14:28Brock's gonna be here.
14:29And if right now you go with a guy who's hot, if Mack is winning games and he's playing
14:33well enough to win these games, I don't see any harm in not, like, going with Mack for
14:39a little bit longer.
14:40I know you don't see any harm in it, and I'd argue none of us see any harm in it because
14:44we're out here.
14:45We're not living in their reality.
14:47Their reality is they have a company, a business, a dynamic.
14:51They have human beings.
14:52And you don't, in my opinion, handle your people this way.
14:56Like, you and I had, this is a debate going way back, way back, almost to the beginning,
15:02which, oh, by the way, yes, today is the four-year anniversary of the start of this show.
15:06Oh, look at us.
15:07Four-year anniversary today.
15:08All right.
15:08Yeah.
15:08So, thank you, Grandy.
15:10Yeah.
15:11So, yeah, go all the way back to the beginning, and one of our very first debates was the
15:16fact that Jimmy Garoppolo, after being, remember when he was on the kiddie field for a hold
15:23camp?
15:23Yep.
15:24Okay?
15:25Then they signed him all of a sudden.
15:27Remember, it was, we're trading him, we're trading him, and then they signed him.
15:30And you and I got into a debate because you were like, hey, more quarterbacks, the merrier.
15:36And my take was, ooh, this is a hedge.
15:38They don't like what they see from Trey.
15:40And I will forever feel that way.
15:43And the reason I feel that way is because when you've got your guy who's the unquestioned
15:49dude, which is what Trey Lance was supposed to be, you don't do that to him.
15:53You don't do that to him.
15:54You don't welcome sticking someone over his right shoulder so that the whole world can
16:00question him.
16:01You just don't do that to your people, which is why they wanted to trade Jimmy Garoppolo
16:05in the first place.
16:06Why else would they have wanted to trade him?
16:08But they kept him because I don't think they liked what they saw from Trey Lance in practice
16:12and in camp.
16:14So this was a hedge to me.
16:16And this is not the same situation, but it's the same dynamic I'm talking about.
16:20You don't welcome questions about your guy.
16:24Especially when he's done nothing to deserve it.
16:27Trey Lance had not at that time and Brock Purdy has not at this time.
16:31That's all.
16:32I just don't think you do your people like that.
16:34Well, I think that if you are a good leader and I believe that Kyle Shanahan is and you're
16:38a good organization and I do think that they have that and you've got a good locker room
16:42intact, then these things become less of an issue when you realize that Brock Purdy's
16:49got five more years under contract and he's going to have a good long run as your starting
16:53quarterback and there's no controversy going forward.
16:56Right now, in this moment, you're in a spot where the guy you have is winning games and
17:02winning games is the one thing that everybody in that room wants more than anything else,
17:07maybe outside of money.
17:08And so the guy you have is doing that.
17:10And so I think it's more risky to go out there and make the switch if Mack is still undefeated
17:16and Brock is ready to go.
17:19Now you go back to Brock and you lose.
17:21That to me becomes more risky than just going with Mack until he loses.
17:24Yeah, but that's like that's kind of what y'all signed up for.
17:27You know what I mean?
17:27Like you have to be to me, if you're a big time organization and you're a big time coach
17:33and the Niners are both of those things, then you have to be willing to face that.
17:37You have to be willing to face what the people are saying out there.
17:42Because I know we're sitting in an echo chamber right now, but my goodness, if I read you our
17:47text line right now, the Boxer and Gerson work injury attorney's text line, those five
17:51years that you're talking about that Brock's got, whoo, they're going to suck.
17:54They're going to suck.
17:56Because our text line's done with them already.
17:57Already, huh?
17:58Done.
17:58Yeah.
17:59Done.
18:00Done.
18:00D-U-N.
18:01That's the text line.
18:02He's been overpaid.
18:03And that's how they do it.
18:04He's been bad for 17 games.
18:07And this is the 15th pick over the last pick.
18:10This is a no-brainer.
18:11Piece of cake.
18:12All right.
18:13Boy, these five years are going to be long.
18:17Long.
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