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02:43Welcome to Beyond the Tape. I'm your host, Mark Bassant.
03:01Welcome to our viewers across Trinidad and Tobago, our international viewers, and of course, our brothers and sisters in the eyes of Grenada.
03:10It's about 85 days before Christmas, in case you were interested.
03:16And today, of course, it's Wednesday smack in the middle of the week, and it's, legally speaking, Wednesdays.
03:21None other than Acting Sergeant Zaheer Ali at Tanya at Law with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
03:27How are you, sir?
03:29Mark, I am okay. I wish I could have, you know, indicated, you know, excellent, but I'm okay by the grace of the good Lord.
03:35So, you know, thank you very much for your warm introduction, as always.
03:41You know, I want to acknowledge Jackie, Leston, and other members of the Beyond the Tape family.
03:46I think it's important to recognize them.
03:47As always, the citizenship of Trinidad and Tobago, most importantly, the strength of our existence, and those who are viewing and listening out of the jurisdiction, Mark.
04:00And also, my law enforcement colleagues and supporting agencies, both in the public and private sector.
04:07Pleasant good evening to you all.
04:08So, as always, I look forward to engaging you this afternoon.
04:11Mark, this afternoon, I want to take, with your leave and Jackie, the producer, a slight shift in terms of my delivery.
04:19And it's, I want to, you know, basically prompt you as well.
04:24I know that we may have a voice of the people probably later on in the program.
04:27But this afternoon, I want to just, you know, limit, you know, my contribution.
04:34And I want to, you know, offer additional time to members of the public who are listening.
04:38I'm interested in hearing your perspective, your view.
04:41On the 1st of October, Mark, a lot is happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
04:44A lot of topical issues, and, you know, I'm very interested.
04:47And I'm saying that, you know, over the last couple of days, Mark, you know, I've been to different places.
04:52And, you know, persons are indicating that they are trying to get onto the program.
04:55And when I heard that, you know, it really was rewarding and inspiring that persons are trying to get on to express their views.
05:02So I said this afternoon, you know, I will limit the content, the contribution, and, you know, more be a listener here this afternoon.
05:09And if there's a need to respond, I'll respond.
05:11But as always, a pleasure to be here this afternoon.
05:13Yes, certainly.
05:13And, you know, while I know in the next segment we'll start taking calls,
05:17The worrying reality is that there's still a lot of illegal firearms on the streets of Trinidad and Tobago.
05:26And, you know, quite troubling.
05:27One of your colleagues, this morning, about 2.45 a.m.,
05:33PC Amoy Andrews was shot several times in the Arruka district.
05:39Neighbors cleared the loud explosions and contacted his common-law wife.
05:44He was shot, apparently, in his spine, lower spinal area, as well as in his chest, they believe, in his lungs.
05:55Bullets were lodged in his lungs.
05:58And they're still trying to ascertain if there was damage to his abdomen.
06:01Of course, Police Commissioner Alistair Guevara has sent out a media release wishing PC Andrews a speedy recovery.
06:11And, of course, that culprit or culprits involved in that shooting,
06:17hopefully that persons with any kind of information, if you have seen anything,
06:21if you know about anything related to this attack,
06:25please contact the nearest PlayStation 800-TIPS-999
06:29and impart that information on to the police, even in an anonymous fashion.
06:35Well, Mark, I'm happy that you take me there.
06:36And this goes smack into why I have opened this afternoon with your leave and Jackie's leave
06:40to invite members of the public, you know, to engage us this afternoon.
06:44And one of the engagements, you know, I hope,
06:46that will be some pertinent information or intelligence
06:48with reference not only this crime,
06:51but crime and criminality across Trinidad and Tobago,
06:53including what we have seen over the last couple of weeks and months.
06:56So, you know, you have indicated anonymous,
06:59you have indicated 555, the police station.
07:01Can I humbly suggest that this program,
07:04this program, in my respect for view,
07:07can also be added to that list of avenues in which a person can provide,
07:11if not the information, but that these are contacts so persons can respond to them.
07:14I think that this program, and I can speak for it intimately,
07:17has generated a lot of response from members of the public.
07:20And, you know, the officers have responded to various persons who have reached out
07:25and render certain intervention, render certain care, as the case may be.
07:29And I think that I would like to respectfully add Beyond the Tape as an avenue.
07:34A person may feel comfortable, you know, with the persons who are appearing,
07:37the producer, your good self, TV6, as a reliable organization.
07:42So I want to add it as well.
07:43But that's exactly what I am looking for this afternoon.
07:46Not only the engagement of expressions and opinions,
07:49but pertinent intelligence, pertinent information,
07:52to be able to solve some of the seniors crimes that we have seen.
07:55And last but not least, this is the police officer,
07:57Ma, I've always said on this program, and elsewhere,
08:01that when we are speaking about crime and criminality,
08:04they do not have a face, they do not have a profession,
08:07they do not have a religion, they do not have a nationality.
08:10Just moments ago, just coming to the program,
08:13I did a quick canvassing, and I'm also seeing foreign nationals
08:16are also affected by crime and criminality.
08:18I saw the report, I think two British nationals.
08:21Yes.
08:21They were robbed somewhere in the city.
08:22The St. Clair area.
08:23So even with those persons, the image that we are sending,
08:27or the message that we are sending,
08:28persons who may be responsible for those foreign nationals as well.
08:31You know, we are interested, if you are listening,
08:34or if you know someone is listening,
08:35please communicate so that we can get the information.
08:38But I really want to engage you here this afternoon.
08:39Let us break some recording this afternoon.
08:42All right, and that's a sad note about your colleagues.
08:45Of course, we also want to text our deepest sympathies
08:48to the family of Kandane Bassi, a police constable,
08:52attached to the Besso Street Police Station, of course,
08:55passed away on the 29th of September.
08:59He was actually on duty with two colleagues,
09:02mobile patrol from the Central Police Station District, sorry,
09:05when he complained of feeling unwell,
09:06and he was taken to the Port of Spain General Hospital,
09:10and a short while after he passed away.
09:12Of course, the commissioner extending his deepest sympathies together,
09:16which is all his colleagues.
09:18In a release, the commissioner said,
09:21Today, the TTPS family mourns one of our own.
09:23We are grateful for his service to our nation,
09:25as we are reminded that policing is a very demanding profession,
09:28physically, mentally, and emotionally.
09:31In mourning, P.C. Bassi, we also acknowledge the daily regards
09:34our officer's shoulder in service to Trinidad and Tobago.
09:37We honor his life, stand with his family,
09:40and remain committed to caring for the men and women
09:42who protect and serve our nation.
09:45Well, Mark, very, very sad news and, you know,
09:48condolences to the family, of my colleague.
09:52Very unfortunate situation, and, you know,
09:55I pray that, you know, God, prayer and comfort, you know,
10:00are with you and your family at this time.
10:02And, you know, Mark, there's a famous saying, you know,
10:08Basically saying, from God we came,
10:14and to him shall be our final return.
10:16And, you know, I want to give the citizenry,
10:18wherever you may be, and I'm certain there are other persons
10:19who may have lost loved ones as we speak,
10:22or they may have persons who are very ill,
10:25probably staying and looking, you know,
10:27for that ultimate end in this world.
10:32You know, to just remember that,
10:33to give you that comfort, that none of us are here forever.
10:36And I say that to say this, Mark,
10:38that sometimes as human beings we behave,
10:41either when we are in a powerful position,
10:43either when we have abundance of money,
10:46or any other advantage that we enjoy in society.
10:49Sometimes we go about life believing that, you know,
10:51we are, you know, we are above, you know,
10:54we cannot be touched.
10:56But we ought to be reminded,
10:58and death is something that should remind all of us.
11:00And in this case, you know,
11:02I don't mean to use this,
11:03but it's a reminder that one day,
11:05we will be in the news as well,
11:07or we will be reported upon.
11:08So, to the citizenry of Canada,
11:10out of Tobago, you know,
11:10let us humble ourselves,
11:12wherever we may be,
11:13and let us continue to take whatever authority,
11:16whatever power,
11:16whatever money,
11:17whatever opportunity we have,
11:19to continue to do good,
11:20do good, do good.
11:22Yeah, and as you talk about persons losing their loved ones,
11:26of course,
11:27we had a very bloody night,
11:29or rather morning,
11:30early morning into,
11:32just later on into the morning,
11:35we had three murders over the last,
11:38I'd say,
11:3912 to 14 hours.
11:41The first started in Tunapuna,
11:43around 12.30 a.m.
11:44The victim,
11:46Anton George,
11:47walking along the area of the Archong Trace,
11:50when he was shot several times,
11:52he was later taken to the Monctope Hospital,
11:55where he succumbed to his injuries.
11:58And then around 9.30,
11:59this morning,
12:00in the Chumacap area,
12:02a person by the name of Javon Hope,
12:05was shot and killed,
12:08by unknown assailants.
12:12And, you know,
12:13that certainly,
12:13it didn't take long.
12:15Within a half hour of that murder,
12:19he also had another shooting,
12:20where two persons were shot,
12:22in the Malik area,
12:24around 10 a.m.
12:25One of the victims,
12:27who was later identified,
12:28as Jason Cutty Joseph,
12:30was shot and killed.
12:31He,
12:32along with another man,
12:33was walking through a track,
12:34in that area,
12:36between 1st and 2nd Street,
12:38when they were ambushed.
12:39They were both shot several times,
12:41of course,
12:42Joseph dying on the scene,
12:43the other victim,
12:45taken to the Monctope Hospital,
12:48where they remain in critical condition.
12:50So,
12:51those three murders,
12:52in the last couple of hours,
12:53would have taken the murder count,
12:55to 3,
12:56sorry,
12:56to 275.
12:59Just comparatively,
13:00for the same time last year,
13:02we had 475 murders.
13:04And,
13:04for the month of September last year,
13:07we had 58 murders.
13:09Comparatively,
13:10for this year,
13:11for this month,
13:12sorry,
13:12so far,
13:12we have 23.
13:15Well,
13:15Mark,
13:16again,
13:16condolences to the family,
13:17and,
13:18you know,
13:18when you're reporting,
13:19especially the capital offense of murder,
13:21loss of life,
13:23and loss of life in very violent ways,
13:25it's definitely of concern.
13:26And,
13:27more concern,
13:27that we're in a state of emergency.
13:29And,
13:29you're seeing that,
13:30the criminal elements,
13:30continue to chance,
13:33and,
13:34commit very heinous crimes.
13:36This is a very,
13:37very,
13:39um,
13:42heavy call,
13:43to law enforcement,
13:44and supporting agencies.
13:44I've sent you in Trinidad and Tobago,
13:46to recognize that,
13:48by the declaration of a state of emergency,
13:50there's one part of it.
13:52The,
13:53deep,
13:54effective policing,
13:55is another part.
13:56And,
13:56you know,
13:57I know that a lot of efforts of,
13:58you know,
13:59the TTPS and other agencies,
14:00are making,
14:01with reference to looking at crime and criminality.
14:03But,
14:03it goes to show,
14:05that,
14:05and I know that you make some comparison.
14:07Mark,
14:07I'll say from an individual context,
14:09I really don't give consideration,
14:12to the statistics,
14:13in terms of comparison.
14:14And,
14:14and for many different reasons.
14:17And,
14:17one of the main reasons is that,
14:18okay,
14:20even if,
14:20you are not,
14:22seeing murders for a period of time.
14:25Persons who may have committed murders before,
14:27the question that has to be asked,
14:30are they,
14:30arrested and prosecuted?
14:32And,
14:32are they incarcerated?
14:34But,
14:34because what you may have,
14:35you may have a suppression.
14:36But,
14:36the criminal minds are still,
14:39having the opportunity to move freely.
14:41And,
14:41just wait on that opportunity to pounce.
14:42So,
14:44crime suppression,
14:45is of extreme importance.
14:47But,
14:48equally important,
14:49crime detection,
14:50and successful prosecution,
14:52is of equal importance.
14:53And,
14:53I,
14:53heard the,
14:55the commissioner of police,
14:56very early in his tenure,
14:58would have referred to the,
14:59importance of ensuring that,
15:00you know,
15:01our crime detection,
15:02our crime prosecution,
15:03successful prosecution,
15:05is also of importance.
15:06So,
15:06when he's speaking about crime detection,
15:08and crime prosecution,
15:10and successful prosecution,
15:11that requires,
15:12the partnership between,
15:13the law enforcement agencies,
15:15and I want to emphasize,
15:16the citizenry of Trinidad,
15:18and to become other stakeholders,
15:19we are really speaking about,
15:20the criminal justice system.
15:21So,
15:22Mark,
15:22you know,
15:23while,
15:24as I said before,
15:25some excellent work,
15:27yes,
15:27a lot of effort is being,
15:28driven in relation to crime,
15:31and criminality,
15:33these acts,
15:33these heinous crimes,
15:34these capital offenses,
15:35these robberies,
15:36these home invasions,
15:37quote unquote,
15:37it continues to be an issue.
15:39And,
15:40you know,
15:41perhaps in another place,
15:42in another time,
15:43when I'm given the opportunity,
15:44I'll be able to say a little more,
15:46it may not be,
15:46you know,
15:46privy on this platform,
15:47to say what I want to say,
15:49with reference or response,
15:50but,
15:51you know,
15:51I hope that every stakeholder,
15:53you know,
15:53really pay particular attention,
15:56to crime and criminality,
15:57in Trinidad and Tobago.
15:58Sometimes,
15:59we have to look at it,
15:59in terms of structure,
16:01system,
16:02people.
16:04And that's very,
16:04very important,
16:05in any organization,
16:07or any response.
16:07And when I speak organization,
16:09I'm not only speaking about the TTPS,
16:11I'm speaking about organizations,
16:13that are responsible,
16:14or have a responsibility,
16:15whether directly or indirectly,
16:17to be able to deal with crime,
16:18and criminality,
16:19including those who may be sitting,
16:20in decision making context.
16:22All right,
16:22thanks so much for that,
16:23Sergeant Ali.
16:25And,
16:25we wanted to,
16:26we're talking about crime,
16:28and criminality,
16:29sorry,
16:29and the Transnational Organized Crime Unit,
16:33had a huge drug bust,
16:35in the Southwestern Division,
16:37here in Palo Seco,
16:38this morning,
16:39or rather,
16:40this morning,
16:41last night,
16:41into this morning,
16:42after surveillance,
16:44they would have uncovered,
16:46approximately,
16:4841,
16:5041 was it?
16:52I think it's 41,
16:53one crocus bags,
16:54of creepy marijuana,
16:56Colombian marijuana,
16:57and five crocus bags,
16:59of cocaine.
17:01They believe,
17:02it's part of,
17:03organization called,
17:05the Drug Trafficking Network.
17:07This was recovered,
17:08in an area,
17:09in Palo Seco,
17:10along the Quarry Road.
17:11Apparently,
17:12what they understand,
17:13was that,
17:14this,
17:15these drugs,
17:15have been hidden,
17:16in a particular,
17:17forested area,
17:18in Quarry Road.
17:20And,
17:20the officers found out,
17:22that,
17:23the,
17:24persons,
17:26who are,
17:26affiliates of this,
17:27Drug Trafficking Network,
17:28found out,
17:29in some measure,
17:30that surveillance,
17:31was happening.
17:32And,
17:33apparently,
17:34the officers,
17:35obviously,
17:36before they could have moved,
17:38the,
17:38the,
17:38the,
17:38the illicit drugs,
17:40that they had intentions to,
17:42officers ascended upon the area,
17:44and were able to,
17:45to recover these drugs,
17:47with the help of,
17:48operational support,
17:49as well as the,
17:50Southwestern Division.
17:52Of course,
17:52the drugs was taken,
17:53to the Separia Police Station,
17:55where they will be weighed,
17:56and the estimated,
17:58street value,
17:58will be given to us,
17:59perhaps,
18:00a little later,
18:01this afternoon,
18:01or by the morning,
18:03through the,
18:03Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
18:05Well, Mark,
18:05again,
18:06evidence of what I just spoke about,
18:09in terms of the criminal elements,
18:10continuing to chance.
18:13And,
18:15the call,
18:16I'm going to re-emphasize,
18:17or re-iterate the call this afternoon,
18:19at persons who may be responsible,
18:21or have credible intelligence,
18:22in reference to that particular seizure.
18:24Again,
18:25we are,
18:26anticipating your,
18:27swift,
18:28and expeditious intelligence,
18:30reporting,
18:30to be able to deal with,
18:32those individuals.
18:33You know,
18:33we want to make sure,
18:34Mark,
18:34that you don't see seizures,
18:35and I've spoken about this,
18:36on this program.
18:37Seizures are firearms,
18:38seizures are dangerous drugs,
18:39in large quantities.
18:41But,
18:41the persons who are responsible,
18:42behind it,
18:43it's important.
18:44We have to take away,
18:45the persons who,
18:46facilitate these crimes.
18:47Yes.
18:48So,
18:48the seizure is good.
18:50Because,
18:50you're taking away,
18:51firearms,
18:52as the case may be,
18:52or drugs,
18:53from the society.
18:54But,
18:54the people who are responsible,
18:56it's important to go after them,
18:57and hence why,
18:58someone,
18:58somewhere,
19:00is aware of this particular,
19:01crime.
19:03And,
19:03that someone,
19:04somewhere,
19:04should find it within themselves,
19:06to come forward and say,
19:07okay,
19:07these packets,
19:08not dangerous drugs,
19:10that is to destroy entire nation.
19:12Or,
19:12this particular seizure,
19:14could end up in a situation,
19:15where there's a conflict,
19:16between criminal gangs,
19:17fighting,
19:18for the narcotics,
19:19and then it creates mayhem,
19:20in Trinidad and Tobago.
19:21So,
19:22again,
19:22excellent work,
19:22but again,
19:23we need to be,
19:24critical of ourselves,
19:25if you really want to go forward,
19:26as a country.
19:26And last but not least,
19:27Mark,
19:27you spoke about,
19:28the transnational,
19:29organized crime unit.
19:32And,
19:32you basically,
19:33you pinched me,
19:34by mentioning that unit.
19:36It's a unit,
19:37that I think,
19:38need in my respective view,
19:39a lot of injection,
19:41of resources,
19:42in all capacity.
19:44Here they would,
19:45transnational,
19:46organized crime unit.
19:47That is,
19:48speaking about border crimes,
19:50importation,
19:51exportation,
19:52and not only dangerous drug,
19:53but firearms,
19:54even from,
19:55through legal ports,
19:56transnational crime,
19:57impacting various jurisdictions.
19:59If we do not,
20:00find the importance,
20:01of that particular unit,
20:02and again,
20:03structure,
20:03system,
20:04and proper,
20:05and competent people,
20:06to be able to,
20:07stack that particular unit,
20:10then we are not,
20:11doing justice,
20:11in relation to crime,
20:12and criminality,
20:13from a transnational,
20:14organized crime context.
20:16So again,
20:16I'm very critical,
20:17this afternoon,
20:18but I salute the work,
20:19of the transnational,
20:20organized crime unit,
20:20nevertheless,
20:21and asking for the citizenry,
20:23who are aware of this crime,
20:25to come forward,
20:26with information,
20:27and intelligence,
20:28of persons,
20:28who may have been,
20:29responsible,
20:31whether as principal,
20:32offenders,
20:33whether as accessories.
20:35All right,
20:35thanks a lot,
20:36Sergeant Ali.
20:37It's day 76,
20:39of the state of emergency.
20:40We want to quickly,
20:41take you through,
20:42the figures.
20:44Number of operations,
20:445,370,
20:46target priority offenders,
20:471,955,
20:49searches conducted,
20:5034,912,
20:52traffic operations,
20:543,545,
20:56total persons arrested,
20:572,458,
20:59traffic offenses detected,
21:0020,240,
21:02we have a little rise there,
21:04firearms recovered,
21:05total,
21:06146 thus far,
21:09ammunition recovered as well,
21:10total,
21:111,819,
21:12sorry,
21:131,819,
21:14rungs of ammo,
21:15no changes,
21:16of course,
21:16to the amounts,
21:17and then we have,
21:18dangerous drugs seized,
21:20448,561.92 grams,
21:24of marijuana,
21:26I guess,
21:26because of that seizure,
21:27we had this morning,
21:29as well as,
21:308,147.88 grams,
21:33of cocaine,
21:34also from that,
21:35perhaps from that seizure,
21:35and others,
21:36over the last 24 hours,
21:381,032 STC pills,
21:40and 15 grams,
21:42of molly.
21:44Again, Mark,
21:45you know,
21:45I want to salute the work of the law enforcement agencies,
21:47and by extension,
21:48the citizenry,
21:48whenever I see the statistics,
21:49and I hope that the figures,
21:52was consolidated to include the seizure this morning,
21:55so that,
21:55you know,
21:56you see,
21:57an accurate reflection.
21:59Mark,
21:59if you just convert the,
22:00the value,
22:02with reference to the dangerous drugs,
22:03and the cost of firearms,
22:06you'll be surprised to see,
22:07the kind of monies,
22:08that we are looking at,
22:09with reference to this.
22:10And when we are speaking about crime,
22:11and what the motives,
22:13immediately,
22:14I'm identifying the benefits of crime.
22:17So,
22:17could you imagine,
22:17persons have 5 and 10 rifles,
22:19or 25 to 30,000 per rifle.
22:22This is what you are looking at,
22:23and persons,
22:24you know,
22:25they go into crime,
22:26for the very many different reasons,
22:27but a major factor,
22:29is the benefit of crime.
22:30And that brings my other call.
22:32You know,
22:32I said,
22:33I'm not going to say too much,
22:34Mark,
22:34but you are,
22:34you are,
22:35you are presenting matters here,
22:36that you know,
22:37you are inducing me,
22:38and you are inducing me,
22:39in the public interest,
22:40that this is the second part of crime,
22:42you have been looking at it,
22:42from a blue collar context,
22:43so you're hearing about,
22:45seizure of firearms,
22:46you'll hear about,
22:46incarceration of persons,
22:47under PDOs,
22:48you're hearing about,
22:49seizure of dangerous drugs.
22:51The time has come,
22:53to ensure that we balance that,
22:55with the white collar,
22:56and quality white collar investigations,
22:57because,
22:58these things are not coming by guests.
23:00These things are coming,
23:01where there are a lot of value,
23:03and value probably already derived,
23:05and already what?
23:07Disguise,
23:08in assets.
23:09Yeah.
23:09And it's important for us,
23:10to pay particular attention,
23:12and I make a salient call,
23:13to the legislature,
23:14some time ago,
23:15at a crime symposium,
23:16Mark,
23:16in University of the West,
23:17with other stakeholders,
23:18I call for a full proclamation,
23:21of the civil effort,
23:22for feature.
23:24Part that,
23:25the unexplained wealth act,
23:26it has been party proclaimed,
23:27but that phase,
23:28of the civil effort,
23:29for feature,
23:31I'm calling for a swift proclamation,
23:33of that.
23:33That gives us the opportunity,
23:35us meaning,
23:35a country,
23:36that if we are not successful,
23:38in our prosecution,
23:39sorry,
23:39and arrest charges,
23:41and perhaps,
23:42a potential prosecution,
23:43you can still go behind,
23:46assets that may be,
23:47in your periphery,
23:48that you believe,
23:49that that individual,
23:50or group may have been,
23:50benefiting from,
23:51and force them,
23:52to come into account,
23:53so that you are basically,
23:54taking it into context.
23:56So I think the time,
23:57has come for us to,
23:58start looking,
23:59at the white colour aspect,
23:59we have spoken about it,
24:01we have seen reports about it,
24:02but we need to be serious,
24:04legislatively,
24:05from a proclamation context,
24:07and from a white colour,
24:08investigative context,
24:09we need to balance the scales.
24:10Alright,
24:11thanks so much Sergeant Ali,
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26:31with Andre,
26:32Errol Batiste,
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26:53Welcome back,
27:07to Beyond the Tape,
27:07I'm your host,
27:08Mark Bassant,
27:09of course,
27:09joined today,
27:10by acting,
27:10Sgt. Zaheer Ali,
27:11of the Trinidad and Tobago,
27:12Police Service,
27:13and attorney at law,
27:14it's legally speaking Wednesdays,
27:16and before we go,
27:17any further,
27:17let's take you,
27:18to your headlines.
27:53So those are some of the headlines,
27:58over the last 24 hours,
28:01and of course,
28:02we want to remind you,
28:03of the numbers,
28:03to call,
28:04623-1711,
28:06extensions,
28:071996 and 1997,
28:09as said,
28:11at the opening of this program,
28:12Sgt. Ali,
28:13wants to hear from you guys,
28:15your questions,
28:16your concerns,
28:17your opinions,
28:18your suggestions,
28:19even,
28:20will be welcomed,
28:21as you know,
28:22it's very important,
28:24to get that feedback,
28:24from the public,
28:26as to the service,
28:27of the Trinidad and Tobago,
28:28Police Service,
28:29or things that they need,
28:29assistance,
28:30or acquiring.
28:32Most certainly,
28:32Mark,
28:33feedback,
28:34critical importance,
28:35that's your measurement,
28:37that's your assessment,
28:39but more importantly,
28:40that's the avenue,
28:41to be able to cause change,
28:42and change in this context,
28:44we are looking for change,
28:45with crime and criminality,
28:46and we're looking for big wins,
28:48yes,
28:48we are enjoying,
28:49some level of success,
28:50you know,
28:51and again,
28:52you know,
28:52it's very rewarding,
28:53and humbling,
28:54but we need,
28:55some big success,
28:56Trinidad and Tobago,
28:57we need some big success,
28:58you're seeing,
28:59you're seeing things out there,
29:01you're seeing things out there,
29:02could you imagine,
29:02Mark,
29:03going back to that seizure,
29:04you could imagine,
29:06that two gangs,
29:07if that wasn't detected,
29:10in a timely manner,
29:11that perhaps you wake up,
29:12morning and see a bloodshed,
29:14not knowing what's the motive,
29:15and that may be the motive,
29:16so it's important,
29:17so we are,
29:18we are interested in hearing from you,
29:20and most importantly,
29:21your intelligence,
29:21and your information.
29:22Alright,
29:23so on that note,
29:24we have our first call on the line,
29:25call a good evening,
29:26and welcome to be honest here.
29:28Yeah,
29:28good evening,
29:29gentlemen,
29:30good evening,
29:30and congratulations,
29:32you have been postulating,
29:37very good points,
29:38but in reality,
29:39the police service,
29:41I think is the opposite,
29:43of what you are trying,
29:44to bring out to the public,
29:46I have interaction,
29:47I have interaction,
29:48with the Aruka station,
29:50the Freeport station,
29:51the Poova station,
29:53you know,
29:54a man slashed me in my face,
29:56I have video,
29:56I have everything,
30:00and you know,
30:01the police is here to charge him,
30:03because he had a brother,
30:04who is senior,
30:05into the police,
30:06evidence you know,
30:07on this pasture,
30:08about three commissioners,
30:10nothing has happened,
30:11I took the matter to the high court,
30:13was awarded about 300,000,
30:15the judge said,
30:16I could have died,
30:17yet the police didn't seem,
30:19fit to charge,
30:20you know what,
30:20because I carried the matter,
30:22to that level,
30:23the police charged me,
30:24for littering,
30:25and make false reports,
30:27and you know,
30:27what is amazing sir,
30:29something as simple,
30:31as littering,
30:32you know,
30:33I don't know,
30:33who is doing what,
30:34but they got the DPP,
30:36where they said,
30:36the DPP is short,
30:38or stuck,
30:39to every hearing,
30:40you have a DPP,
30:42somebody,
30:42for simple thing like that,
30:44other instance,
30:45like in the Poova,
30:46where I call in the stationery,
30:48I'm annoyed,
30:49when you go to the,
30:50you know,
30:51right at the Aruka station,
30:52so,
30:52because I've gone regularly,
30:53to report this gentleman,
30:55you know,
30:56they chased me out,
30:56of that station,
30:58you know,
30:58they chased me out,
30:59literally,
31:00get out of the station,
31:01yes,
31:02turn around and charge me,
31:03to make false reports,
31:04you have about,
31:0525 officers,
31:07coming to give evidence,
31:09against me,
31:10I've got already,
31:11pronounced on this matter,
31:12Kola,
31:12how often,
31:13you go on there,
31:14sorry,
31:14how recent was that Kola,
31:16how recent was that incident,
31:19you see,
31:20the people,
31:20where they're drinking,
31:21and noise going on,
31:23they come out,
31:23with two,
31:23three bags of food,
31:24and give it to the police officers,
31:26when you go there,
31:27nothing they could do,
31:28nothing,
31:29you're getting no response,
31:31no,
31:31so,
31:31sir,
31:31what you're trying to tell,
31:33I don't know the general public,
31:35you see a comment made by an officer,
31:37who handed his back,
31:38his mother,
31:39mother,
31:39whatever he gives,
31:40I support that 100%,
31:42sir,
31:42now this,
31:43I went to community,
31:45meeting,
31:46and all the senior support,
31:48thinking that he would have,
31:49take note,
31:50and respond to these things,
31:51nothing whatsoever,
31:53you're on your own,
31:54if you can't take matters,
31:56you know,
31:56go to the court,
31:57or whatever,
31:58police is not for the order,
31:59I don't know,
32:00I really don't know,
32:01but what you are saying,
32:03you know,
32:03you come out,
32:04and you say this,
32:04and you say that,
32:05it is of no use,
32:07it is absolutely,
32:07I would have liked to have a one-on-one meeting,
32:10with you sir,
32:11well I just wanted to find out,
32:13when was that,
32:14when was that incident,
32:16with the Coover police station,
32:17if you could,
32:20okay,
32:20I think he,
32:21he would have gone,
32:22but clearly,
32:23you know,
32:23he has some,
32:24raised some serious,
32:27concerns,
32:27or rather,
32:28allegations,
32:30especially with his interaction,
32:31at the Coover police station,
32:33and other things,
32:33surrounding a court matter,
32:35a civil matter,
32:36and so on,
32:37well thank you very much Kola,
32:38Kola if you are listening,
32:39I know you requested,
32:40to speak with me one-on-one,
32:41please call back,
32:42and leave that number,
32:43and Mark,
32:45this opportunity,
32:47to call and you know,
32:48ventilate matters,
32:48it's important,
32:50because a particular station,
32:51or particular group of officers,
32:53we are not naive to it,
32:54may not be responding,
32:55in any way,
32:56that the executive of the police service,
32:57expect them to respond,
32:59and that may be an ongoing factor,
33:00and I spoke about just now,
33:02when you're looking for,
33:03the level of effectiveness,
33:04and efficiency,
33:05people,
33:06when I speak about people,
33:06I'm talking about an organization,
33:08among the ranks,
33:09may have persons,
33:10who are not prepared,
33:12or do not have the passion,
33:14but may be there,
33:15because it's a job,
33:17it's an opportunity,
33:18to own a salary,
33:18and hence why,
33:19when you have Kola,
33:20that is calling respectfully,
33:21and you know,
33:22I must commend him,
33:23for maintaining his respect,
33:24but really you're hearing,
33:25the expressions,
33:26feeling disgruntled,
33:28by not getting the level of response,
33:30that is required,
33:30and I do not know,
33:31the facts of the matters,
33:32perhaps it was investigated,
33:33and it will be interesting,
33:34to know the conclusions,
33:36but again,
33:36it's important,
33:37you know,
33:38he have identified,
33:38particular police stations,
33:39and again,
33:40what this will do,
33:41if the commanders are listening,
33:42or the executive,
33:43is what we have,
33:44visit and inspections,
33:46and so forth,
33:46so that we can measure,
33:48the response,
33:49from these particular,
33:49police stations,
33:50and divisions,
33:50so that no station,
33:52or division,
33:53is going to go into hiding,
33:54when the quality service,
33:57has not been delivered,
33:57and we have spoken about that pride,
33:59that professionalism,
34:00that respect,
34:01dignity,
34:02the integrity,
34:02and excellence,
34:03we are seeing those core values,
34:04not representing itself,
34:06based on the contribution,
34:07of the Kola,
34:08so Kola,
34:08please leave your number,
34:10I am interested in,
34:10you know,
34:11speaking with you all,
34:11because I believe,
34:12in listening to the persons,
34:14you're ready to have an understanding,
34:15to how we can do things better,
34:17perhaps maybe,
34:18after I speak with you,
34:19maybe I can probably send forward,
34:20a correspondence,
34:20to the executive of the TTPS,
34:22probably advising,
34:23that certain things,
34:24be looked at,
34:25and looked at in a particular way,
34:26but thank you very much,
34:27as always.
34:27Yes,
34:28and I can assure you,
34:29that he did leave his number,
34:30with the producer,
34:31so definitely Kola,
34:33you will get a call,
34:34from Sergeant Ali,
34:35hopefully pretty soon,
34:37alright,
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35:53Human beings in a mind,
38:26And Mark, before you go to the voice of the people, that's exactly where I looked at in terms of one seizure generating $129 million estimated street value.
38:41That's the benefit from crime if this really gets going to its conclusion.
38:46So hence the involvement of persons and the chance that persons take.
38:50All right.
38:51Voice of the people in San Fernando.
38:52Let's go.
38:52So we wanted to get your thoughts on, you know, police officers now inside these schools to kind of curb this school violence.
39:21Yeah, well, that would be a great idea.
39:23Some might didn't like you because, you know, when you're doing something wrong, you're being open.
39:27Then when you see police officer, but knowing that you're on the right track and police officer, there will be something great because it's done on protection.
39:35So you want to call for help or backup.
39:37So that's something great.
39:38What do you think communities could do to make their communities safer from crime?
39:43Okay, well, that's very important.
39:45First, you have to have the relationship with your neighbors.
39:49Everyone will be looking for one another.
39:51It's a system in place.
39:53And everybody can relate to what's going on.
39:56If you see somebody strange in the area, something happening, you have a chat or something.
40:00So you can tell everybody and even the police in the area or police from the station area can be a part in the chat.
40:07So as a post, you can know what's going on.
40:09So a quick response.
40:10Good answer.
40:12What is your opinion on the stand your wrong legislation?
40:16Stand your wrong legislation is that it has two sides of it.
40:21You know, it has a good side, it has a bad side.
40:24And the good side about it, you can protect yourself in spite of, you know, you don't have a two mind because if someone comes to offend you or danger, you tell them to leave.
40:35If you don't want to live and your life is in danger, you can protect yourself, that is most important.
40:41And the important part is you protect yourself, you have a stranger and that's from your brother, your sister, someone who you know, you know, you know, one of the men usually learn that, that area, like you and your brother fall out and you try to protect yourself now.
40:54But the good part is to stand your ground from those who are trying to come in your property or come in your country, that's the important part, to stand your ground, you know, you're able to fight back without thinking to mind.
41:08Right. And a different topic. What do you think motorists can do to reduce accidents in this country?
41:14Well, that is a real important topic because first, you can't be like a busybody, even the Bible talks about that, you're busy to do everything.
41:24Sometimes if a man go in front of you, let him go, you know, but you're always trying to go in front of somebody, you're always ignorant with each other, you're curling.
41:32There's a man cutting in front of you, cutting in front of you, curling in front of you, and you see a man coming out, just let him go.
41:36You know, you see a man driving, sometimes you're unaware, you just have to be focused on him, but so, the most important, you take your time and look out for each other, because no accident is a right accident, to my knowledge.
41:47You know, so you protect yourself from all accidents and protect lives.
41:56This is of the people in San Fernando where I was born.
41:59Well, you know, Mark, you know, you are in your homeland.
42:01Again, and just quickly, you know, I always recognize these pieces and I actually open it and, you know, expressing the importance, but again, evidence of the citizenry, Akura, with all the issues that are on the current affairs.
42:16And I saw you asking in very many different ways.
42:18So, again, thanks for the contribution from the citizenry and, you know, opportunity to digest.
42:24All right.
42:24So, we have another caller on the line.
42:26Caller, good evening and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
42:29Good evening.
42:30Thank you very much.
42:31Welcome.
42:32Officer Ali.
42:33Good evening, ma'am.
42:34I want to say a steady recovery to the officer, Andrew, who has been shot.
42:39I hope he really get through.
42:42And I want to also say condolences to the family of the officer who died on duty.
42:47All right.
42:48Now, officer Ali, it has been said, you know, you see something, say something.
42:55But something happened, but something happened and people complained because they saw this guy, he hiding in the bush or something.
43:02They called and nobody came.
43:06And that person was hiding, waiting for a particular person to come out to the world and shot that person.
43:12So, what they are saying is that if they had come, when they had called him, they might have gotten that person.
43:19He just, he shot the man and he just disappeared.
43:21So, see something, say something.
43:24Sometimes you wonder, some people are afraid because they call in and say something and nothing happened.
43:30And it happened to, I remember, with the pilot, when they spoke about it, see something, say something.
43:34So, they need to brush up on that.
43:36The other point is that if it is for the family, those people who continue to do wrong things, continue to bring in all sorts of things, and because they feel they can get away with it.
43:50You remember what happened with the boats that came with the U.S., what they did with them.
43:56Then we have these people sending things in the jail.
43:59Sending things in the jail.
44:00If they need to be dealt with, something has to be done concerning those people who send in things in the jail for people to use because they know very well they shouldn't do it.
44:10And they have, they have those roles and they need to do something about that.
44:15Officer, you all do it very hard and we know this.
44:19But at the same time, there are some places who, when they call, they're supposed to move because when a man was shot, a whole side of them, they say, came.
44:27But when they're called and when a man was hiding, nobody came and something must be done about that.
44:32So, be safe.
44:34God bless all of you.
44:35Thank you very much.
44:36All right, Kola, thanks so much for your comments.
44:39We're going to respond after the break.
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46:44Sisters Calling Brothers, yeah, yeah.
46:48Yeah, yeah.
47:18Yeah, yeah.
47:48I'm your host, Mark Bassan, of course, joined today by Acting Sergeant Zaheer Ali of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and Attorney at Law.
47:54It's legally speaking Wednesdays and I know you have to respond to the last caller.
47:58Well, Mark, I'll be very simple.
48:00You know, her comments are duly noted.
48:02And I'm happy, again, a citizen of Trinidad and Tobago is joining in the conversation to emphasize the need to respond and respond effectively when information is coming forward.
48:14That could just mean the prevention of a crime or detection of a crime as the case may be.
48:18So, caller, thank you very much as always for your healthy submissions.
48:21All right.
48:21We have another call on the line.
48:23Caller, good evening and welcome to be on the team.
48:25Good evening, Mr. Mark Bassan.
48:28A very good evening to Sergeant Ali.
48:31Good evening, sir.
48:31And this question of mine basically will get both of you involved and it goes into your deep dive into the breakdown of management in the Coast Guard.
48:48And what I really want to come to is there's a recent report, trafficking in persons by the U.S. State Department.
49:02Guyana has maintained its Tier 1 status whereby Trinidad is struggling to come out of the Tier 2.
49:15And while reading the report, there was one significant area the Americans identified.
49:22And that has to do with the Coast Guard again, where the Coast Guard has been accused officially of abusing and sexually exploiting a Venezuelan citizen.
49:38And what they're saying, that investigation has gone nowhere.
49:41So, this is where you and the TTPS Sergeant Ali comes in.
49:47Has the CCPS taken a look at that and are they part of that investigation to resolve the issue so that Trinidad can move out of the Tier 2?
50:02So, there's a lot of human trafficking hanging and this trafficking in person report from the State Department of the U.S. is pointing to that.
50:15And I believe the TTPS must step up and assist Trinidad to come out of that.
50:21I hope you all understood where I'm going with that and I'm hoping to get a response.
50:25Thanks a lot, caller.
50:28Thank you very much, caller.
50:29Mark, I'm very much aware of that recent 2025 report, United States Trafficking in Persons report.
50:36And the caller is on point with reference to the TTPS.
50:38Trinidad and Tobago has, you know, maintained that Tier 2 status, you know, still aspiring to go to Tier 1.
50:44But, you know, I urge all citizens of Trinidad and Tobago to, you know, if they could get their hands on that report, to also have a look at that report.
50:50Because when we are speaking about trafficking in persons, trafficking in persons, I've said it many times on this program, we seem to be looking in the context only of sexual exploitation.
51:00But trafficking in persons, there's a plethora of conduct that can, you know, amount to exploitation and we need to look at it.
51:07So, again, let us look at our report, but, you know, the caller has a stable and need to look into that particular area of reference to the allegations against Coast Guard officers and, you know, other public officials with reference to the issue of trafficking in persons.
51:19And, you know, I'll endeavor to ask some questions on that.
51:22But last but not least, Mark, the trafficking in persons, the counter-trafficking unit, like the Transnational Organized Crime Unit, you know, those units were given birth, you know, a couple of years ago.
51:33But what, you know, I want to say the public interest, there's a need to look into those units and see whether those units really matching the demand and to be able to deal with the issues of human trafficking and transnational organized crime.
51:46Because I'll make a comparison just quickly.
51:49If you look at trafficking in persons, it has a transnational element.
51:52Persons are coming in.
51:54They are being recruited and brought in.
51:56Sometimes they are here and recruited here.
51:57But they are, you'll see in persons from other jurisdictions.
51:59If you look at the issue of the Transnational Organized Crime and Counter-Trafficking, you've seen a lot of similarities.
52:09So the question is, should they be really set up as individual units or should there be a more greater cohesion to be able to have a full and more effective deployment of resources to be able to deal with the issue?
52:21I know that we have scarce resources, but you have to be able to be tactical in your response.
52:24So, again, Kola, thank you for taking us there with that very heinous crime.
52:29That goes to the dignity mark of the human being.
52:31Yes, certainly.
52:31And I would just say, Kola, that, you know, the Counter-Trafficking Unit have been investigated.
52:36And I know there's always a stab inside of the Coast Guard and Defense was because a lot of things, you hit a brick wall.
52:43But fear not.
52:44I think some things are going to be coming down the pipeline soon.
52:47All right.
52:47We have another Kola on the line.
52:48Kola, good evening and welcome to be on the team.
52:50Kola, good evening and welcome to be on the team.
53:20We have all the strategies that this government say that they have in place to cope with crime.
53:25I'm not seeing nothing happening.
53:27Like, we're driving with the handbrake up.
53:29What's happening?
53:32All right.
53:33Thanks so much, Kola.
53:34I appreciate your comments, Serge.
53:36Again, Mark.
53:38A similar position.
53:42A reference to visibility.
53:43In terms of patrol and visibility.
53:47And he asked the question about state of emergency.
53:50And, you know, when you're asking about state of emergency, I'll go to that section 13 and that section 12.
53:55Where you have the power to, you know, do extensive searches.
53:59Whether in the public domain or within a private context.
54:02So, again, Kola, I understand you and I'm happy that you're bringing it.
54:05And, you know, Mark, the importance of this is to us to continue as an organization, as a law enforcement agency, as a country, to continue to measure ourselves critically.
54:14We must not go into a state of complacency.
54:17We must be pushing ourselves.
54:19And who better persons to push law enforcement agencies?
54:23The people who are dependent on receiving quality service.
54:26So, hence why I'm really appreciative of this.
54:29This is not to criticize the police.
54:30This is not to criticize law enforcement.
54:32This is to be able to measure and call on us to be able to fill the gaps that are existing.
54:37And hence why I am embracing it.
54:39As a matter of fact, I'm taking very copious notes with reference to these issues.
54:43All right.
54:43We have our last caller for the afternoon.
54:46Caller, good evening and welcome to Beyond the Tape.
54:50Good day, Mr. Ali and Mr. Bassan.
54:52Good evening to you, sir.
54:53Good day, sir.
54:54To Mr. Ali.
54:55I was involved in an accident on the Treasure Rovers Highway on the 13th of June, around 6.25 in the morning, right?
55:03I went to a baritaya station and made a report.
55:06A truck with me on the left lane, causing me to spend all time on the right lane, right?
55:10Went and made my report.
55:12When I was doing the follow-up, I went back to the station.
55:14The police telling me, it's have no record.
55:16I have my receipt and everything.
55:18The police told me it's have no record of me making any report or giving any statement.
55:21Lo and behold, they deemed me wrong in the accident.
55:27While the other driver in the truck came and made a report, not the same Friday, but came
55:30the Sunday and made the report.
55:31About 40 hours after, made the report and took his report, but didn't take any details of my report.
55:38Although I sat down and spoke with the officer, nicely, they found all the details.
55:41Nothing was recorded.
55:43Right?
55:43And now they deemed me, the insurance company deemed me as an error.
55:47Right?
55:47How do you do that?
55:48I listened for your feedback, sir.
55:50Thanks a lot, Kola.
55:52Wow, that's pretty interesting, Sergeant.
55:54Well, thank you very much, Kola.
55:55Kola, what I would want to suggest, because of the sensitivity of this matter, please call
55:59on and let's leave your number.
56:00There may be various avenues that we can take, and I recognize that the TTP seems to be an
56:05advanced stage, with reference to the finding of this accident.
56:08So, I myself have to be very careful in terms of how I approach it.
56:10But, you know, please leave your number.
56:12You know, we can have a focus discussion, and then you'll be advised in terms of what may
56:16be the best legal option to be able to deal with that matter.
56:18But thanks, Mark, for allowing, and Jackie, for allowing me to, you know, through you
56:23all on TV6, to engage the citizenry, and engage them in a very, very aggressive way, to find
56:28out where can we make our improvements in relation to our response to crime and criminality.
56:33Yeah, certainly it's important that, you know, when you go to the police station, you
56:36just luckily, he has his receipt.
56:38So, obviously, the officer would have taken that report.
56:42Their name is supposed to be on that receipt.
56:44And now, if you don't have the report written down and you took things in your memory, I
56:50don't think that's how it works.
56:51Well, Mark, you know, when we speak about, you know, policing, you know, we have grown
56:56accustomed to seeing the arrests and the seizures and so forth.
57:01But policing, effective policing, you see that issue of the record keeping?
57:06You see that coming in reporting, taking copious notes, whether it be on the station diary
57:10or on the internet, on our computer setting, keeping our record on monitoring, looking
57:15and tracking progress, feedback, you know.
57:17These things are the heartbeat of policing.
57:19That patrol issue that they spoke about, you will know how important.
57:23So, yes, you've seen the seizure, you've seen the firearm coming in, you've seen the
57:26PDOs.
57:27We salute those things.
57:28Excellent.
57:30But part of the crime prevention is also the effective patrols.
57:33And additionally, policing is about record keeping, building investigative files, building
57:37case files, monitoring, measuring, seeing when you can make a detection, seeing when you
57:43need to take a search warrant to search a premises.
57:45So, there are a lot of other variables and that calls for the all-round police officer
57:49that we are requiring.
57:50But, Mark, I know that we are very close to the end of today's program.
57:54And I want to take this opportunity to urge the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago to continue
57:59to push the police service legally to ensure that they fulfill their mandate in law, which
58:04is to prevent crime, detect crime and other infractions of the law.
58:09And equally important, while you are pushing us, we'd like you to also be moving with us
58:15to be able to deal with crime and criminality.
58:17And in the process, pull people like Mr. Bassant and all media houses with you in relation
58:24to dealing with crime and criminality.
58:25But again, thanks to all the callers this afternoon.
58:28I will, you know, collect the numbers in a short while.
58:31And may I say, even if I'm not here on a Wednesday, Mark, persons who are listening, if there are
58:35issues, please leave the number.
58:37And I'm sure that Jackie will share it with us.
58:39Well, Sydney, thanks so much, Sergeant Ali, for engaging the citizenry and for nourishing
58:43their minds and for answering their questions.
58:45Of course, remember, we run tonight at 11.30.
58:49Repeat tomorrow at 11 a.m.
58:52The TV6 News is up next and we'll see you back here tomorrow at 6 p.m.
58:56Have a great one.
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