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00:00Tim Kawakami on the River Islands guest line, SF Standard, and all of the podcasts, right?
00:07The Warriors Plus Minus and TK Show and all of the stuff that brings the inside information
00:13around the Bay like nobody else. Hi, Tim. How you doing? I'm just doing fine, Mark. How you doing
00:20today? We're doing great, man. Let's start with, well, first of all, come on, give us your intel,
00:26including Trey Hendrickson of the Bengals. How realistic is that? How do you see the 49ers
00:32handling that in the weeks to come? I think they're going to monitor, see how they're doing.
00:39Mine was more, like, I think there's an urgency. They might not feel the same thing. I think at
00:443-0, possibly 4-0, I think I'd want him on the team to play that week five game against the Rams,
00:50but it's not likely to happen that quickly. I feel like they're defending something here.
00:56Like, they've got a good start. I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl with whoever
01:01they got. I didn't think they were going to win the Super Bowl with Nick Bosa, but I think they
01:04got a shot at doing some things in the playoffs. I think 3-0 is a good start at that. I would do it
01:10as soon as I can, but I don't think they feel that urgency. Maybe the pick would be too high
01:13at this point. I think he fits them really well. There's other names out there, you know,
01:19Arden Key and all these other names. Kayvon Thibodeau. I just think Trey Hendrickson,
01:24for a lot of reasons, fits kind of the now and possibly the down the road. I'd give up a second
01:31round pick for him. Conditionally, they could change to a first. Maybe that's a little high.
01:38They probably don't want to give up a first. They do have to keep their draft picks,
01:41most of them, because they got guys they need to replace down the road. But
01:44if you know the 49ers, you know they've always liked Hendrickson. That's a guy they like. They
01:50would have liked him two years ago, three years ago. Cincinnati was not trading him back then. I
01:55think Cincinnati would be very motivated to move him at some point this season, because I think
02:00he's not going to be on their team next season. So it's just going to matter, you know, when are
02:06they going to start talking about a second round pick? When's that going to be on the table? It might not
02:09be something the 49ers want to do right now. I would do it right now, but I'm a different mindset
02:14than they are. I think when they get ready to do this, if their season is still, you know,
02:21successful enough, if they're five and one, if they're six and two, whenever that deadline's
02:26coming, it's right in there. I think he's going to be the first one on their list. I would get in
02:31on it now. But again, that's me. I would say maybe in a week or two, they'll kind of assess where
02:37they are, where the market is. And, you know, they do tend to make their deals around the
02:43deadline. McCaffrey was around the deadline. Manuel Sanders was around the deadline. Garoppolo
02:48was around the deadline. This could be similar to that. I would just, if it was up to me,
02:54I'd want him as soon as possible. But, you know, that might cost them an extra round in a draft pick
03:00and maybe they don't want to do that. But man, if you have to go over what's the best out there and
03:04what could fit their moment, it doesn't get any better than Trey Hendrickson.
03:09Yeah. Cleland Farrell, a guy also who's out there on practice squads, if they want to go to more of a
03:14bargain shopping mindset.
03:17A little drop there.
03:18Yeah. It's a big time drop, Tim. But that's what I'm thinking about as far as my question goes.
03:23Is it more smart for them now to go wait and see and actually wait and see what you have and see if
03:29Mike L. Williams is really going to be a difference maker? Is it possible that they have enough
03:34in the building now to where they can get by without having to spend big capital to bring
03:38somebody in?
03:39Sure, it's possible. But what I was going to say is you don't know who's going to get hurt.
03:43You know, you don't know. You always need another pass rusher. You always need someone else to in
03:49case someone gets dinged up, in case somebody struggles. Michael Williams is a rookie. He's not
03:54an edge rusher. He's just not. Bryce Huff's been a good edge rusher, but you can always use two of
04:00them. And then you bump Michael Williams inside. Yes. Theoretically, do they have enough? They do
04:05have enough. With a soft schedule, they already got three wins in the bank. Can they get to 10?
04:10Can they get to 11 if they don't make a dramatic move? Yeah, they can. But man, they might lose
04:16someone else. They probably will lose someone else. Maybe not on the defensive line, but somewhere else.
04:21They might go more games without one of their stars. Christian McCaffrey could miss some games.
04:25I never have a problem saying, let's just make sure we're taking care of it. This one position.
04:31I will also mention that Leonard Floyd could have been a good option if he had kept them.
04:35They did not keep them. I didn't. I never understood that move. I believe that guys get hurt in the NFL
04:42and you try to accumulate as many good ones as you can. Hey, if they trade for Trey Hendrickson,
04:47he could get hurt. That's that's always possible. Certainly with 49ers in the last few years.
04:51But I just think you got a shot at it in one of, you know, Trent Williams last prime years,
04:59one of Christian McCaffrey's prime years, one of Fred Warner's prime years. You're paying a lot
05:04of money to this roster, even if guys are hurt. I go for it. And I think the one significant way
05:10you can go for it, man, head and shoulders over most of the other options is Hendrickson. And he's
05:16not going to cost you two first round picks. That's for sure. Maybe won't even cost you one first
05:21round pick. And that moment feels like a Christian McCaffrey moment. You know, they gave up like
05:26a two or three and a four, I think, for McCaffrey and a five and a five. You know, I don't even
05:32think it would cost out much for Hendrickson just because he's older. And because it's a situation
05:37where the Bengals probably are not thinking of him long term. I just feels like that to me. And I would
05:44want, I don't need to know if I'm going to be five and oh, I don't need to know that if you're
05:50asking me, they might need to know that. I think they're, I think they're a pretty good team. I think
05:55they're a pretty good team, but a chance to win a game or two. I compare this to the Rams last year.
05:59The Rams were not a super roster, but who played the Eagles the toughest in the playoffs? It was the
06:05Rams. They could have won that game. Can the 49ers do something like that? I should want to see,
06:11you know, I'd want to push that out there. They're not one and two. They're three and oh,
06:16they're winning these tight games. They have, I just wrote something for tomorrow. I mean,
06:20they're three and oh, without having really played a great game. They played some good moments. They
06:23have not played a great game. They've need three, they needed three plays at the end to win three
06:27games. One by Nick Bosa, one by Bryce Hoffa, one by Eddie Pinero, if you want to count a kick.
06:32This is a team that's winning these games that didn't, that did not win them last year.
06:37NFL seasons are valuable. If you got a shot at it, I go for it. That's me. They decided not to go
06:44for it in the off season. I sort of understood the mentality. I didn't understand how far they
06:49went for it, but three and oh changes that, in my opinion. If you don't have to change everything
06:53that you've planned for, your entire payroll structure, I think you don't have to if you
06:59go for Trey Hendrickson. There are a few other names out there. Arden Key is one I keep mentioning
07:03because he's been with them. I don't know how much he really, you know, changes who they
07:07are, but it's, it's a, there's a few names out there that I wouldn't, you know, I certainly
07:12think at least help their depth. Hendrickson doesn't just help their depth. He, he, he lifts
07:16up everything. He's your closest Bosa replacement. He might be better than Bosa right in this moment.
07:21Don't tell Bosa I said that, but 17 and a half sacks last two years and no one else has done
07:27that. No one else has done that. He's got three, I think already this year. So he's on his,
07:31you know, on pace to do it again. That's a special player.
07:34Tim, I'm totally with you. We're talking with Tim Kawakami here on Willard and Dibs. I'm
07:38wondering if the Bengals need to know that they're not going to have a good record before
07:43they're willing. I get it. Joe Burrow's out there two and one. They were embarrassed last
07:47week, but they have those, those two early wins. They go Broncos, Lions, Packers the next
07:53three weeks. Maybe they need to get their, you know, what's handed to them before they're
07:57willing to deal? I guess it's possible, but they don't want to pay Trey Hendrickson. They've
08:03already, like they've gone through this tussle with him for two years. They're not getting,
08:08they're not winning a lot of games with Jake Browning. They're just not. We've seen this
08:12story before. You lose a starting quarterback. You lose Burrow. They've lost Burrow before and
08:16it hasn't gone well for them. Maybe they do need to see it or maybe they need to tell their fans.
08:20We, you know, we pushed as far as we can. I wouldn't need that if I was them. I think I'm pretty
08:26sure that they're not going to be good. I, you know, if you're, then you're not trading
08:30Jamar Chase, right? You're not trading good players, uh, players that you know that you're
08:34going to have on the roster for down the road. But I just, again, like Trey Hendrickson is a
08:39Christian McCaffrey for Carolina right now. Like they were not going down the road with
08:43Christian McCaffrey anymore. So they traded him. Maybe it wasn't a great trade for them,
08:48but that was the mentality. I understood it before and I jumped on that opportunity to get ahead
08:53of the line, do it for Hendrickson. Again, it's urgency that maybe the 49ers don't exactly feel
09:00right now, but a man, if in three weeks, you might feel him. I would, I would, 49ers would like to
09:05have him rushing Matt Stafford on Thursday night, October 2th. That's just me. Uh, it's not probably
09:10not going to happen by then, but when you have that clear call, that clear chance, which they've
09:15felt and acted on for Jimmy Garoppolo, for Emmanuel Sanders, for Trent Williams,
09:22for Christian McCaffrey. Now that's a few years ago for all, you know, more than a few years ago
09:27for most of them. That's when the 49ers were going for it. Well, Garoppolo was when they were
09:31just trying to get a quarterback, but the other ones that are going for it, I'm not saying they
09:36got a Superbowl roster if they plop Trey Hendrickson in there, but I think you kind of owe it to the
09:41roster for getting you to the spot. Like try to go for like, this is, this is a shot. This is a shot to
09:47get in, win a couple of games. We know that when they make the playoffs, they got the championship game
09:52every single time under Kyle Shanahan. If they make the playoffs, they get the NFC championship
09:55game. At least this would give them a shot at it. I think seasons are worth it. Yeah. It's
09:59interesting. You say that about, you know, three, you know, and therefore you've earned it because
10:03when they picked up McCaffrey that year, you remember they were four and four coming off a
10:06loss to Atlanta and they couldn't run the ball. So they got a running back and suddenly they took
10:11off. Just looking at this, Tim, this team, Tim rather right now through three, when you look at
10:16them, what is their biggest shortcoming right now as a team, even though they're three and
10:21L? Yeah. Well, I mean, it changes with every new injury because you're just like, okay,
10:27there might be okay here. And then they lose Juwan Jennings at receiver. We'll see. He might
10:32be back this week. We'll see. The defensive line had been relatively healthy. Then they lose
10:36both. So I'm not going to say one specific area. It's just they're thin at a lot of places.
10:42Um, they've gotten hurt at a lot of places. They got Purdy coming back. I think that was,
10:49you know, Mac Jones was a really nice signing to make sure they're okay there. I don't think
10:52they win two games with Mac with Brandon Allen, let's say, uh, who was the backup last year.
10:59I don't, I can't say exactly where I think, you know, I would say offensive line. I've been
11:03saying, been saying offensive line for a year and then they thumb their nose at me. They don't
11:08take offensive linemen in the draft basically, except for Connor Colby in the seventh round.
11:12I just slop them in there and he does fine. I think talent wise and age wise, it's offensive
11:19line. I think that's the one that might get them in the end. If they lose Trent Williams,
11:22I don't know what they're doing, what they're doing at left. It's Austin Pleasance, I think
11:26at left tackle. Uh, and again, injuries are going to happen. There are more injuries are going
11:32to happen. Guys are going to come back and other guys are going to get hurt. This is going
11:36to happen. Uh, that's the one thing I think big picture, I might criticize John Lynch and
11:42Kyle Shannon for as they get over optimistic about things. They think that, okay, when we're
11:46all healthy, everything will be great when we're all healthy. And what do we know about
11:50the four Niners and the NFL and sports in general? You're never all healthy. It never happens
11:56like that. Nick Bosa will not be healthy this season. That's now, you know, part of history.
12:02So it offensive line was where they could use a few more talent, a little more talent,
12:10a little more youth, but they go their own way on offensive line. I've had this discussion
12:14with, with Kyle Shanahan. I'm not, you know, he's going to do it the way he's going to do
12:18it. I think it'd be really nice to have a third round tackle. Who's been sitting around
12:22for a year, ready to plug in at either spot. If anyone gets hurt, they do not have that.
12:27That's not who they are. But that, if you ask me big picture where the holes are, I would
12:33say offensive line. And they would disagree with me quite violently, by the way, the
12:36foreigner. And they would point to, look at the stats, look at our guys. They have, you
12:40know, they've, they've been solid this season. I do think when they go up a level, let's say
12:46when they play the Rams. So that, listen, Jacksonville has got a pretty good defensive line. So maybe
12:50we see some of that there. They stopped the run. People are not running on them. I don't
12:57know that the 49ers are going to run on them. They have not run very well this season. All
13:00that, isn't that the way it usually works? You struggle running the ball, then you go
13:03up against the best run defense you're going to play, and then you run the ball.
13:06You take off.
13:07You know Kyle Shanahan's going to want to do that. But this is not, you know, a bunch of
13:14pro bowlers on the offensive line. I don't, I know they don't think they need that.
13:19But I would say if you down the road in week 14, what we might be talking about, I think
13:26we might be talking about the offensive line.
13:27Tim Calakami, SF Standard with us here, Wither and Dibs, 95-7 the game. Okay, TK, six days
13:33till October 1st. How is this Kaminga thing going to end? It sounds like both sides are completely
13:41dug in. And so the Warriors, you tell me if I'm wrong, they're kind of looking at Jonathan
13:45being like, do what you're going to do. But I know no one wants that qualifying offer
13:51situation to happen. We heard the report yesterday about the Kings. How does this end, do you
13:57think, and when?
13:59Yeah, I don't think there's going to be trade. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. It does not. The
14:04Kings thing's never made sense to me, other than the Kings like him, but there's the offer.
14:08It doesn't make sense. The Warriors would have to put another player into this trade because
14:12of the whole salary cap rules. Let's just say they're not going to John Kaminga and Moses
14:16Moody and getting a player they don't want, even if you put an unprotected first round pick
14:21in there. And I don't think the Kings are doing that. So that aside, yeah, I think Kaminga
14:26has $48 million guaranteed on the table. And does he take it or does he not take it? And
14:31I just, around the league, people are stunned it's gone this far. It doesn't mean that that's
14:36what Jonathan Kaminga has to listen to. But there's some, you know, like what exactly
14:42is the thought process here? He can get $48 million, whether it's a team option as a
14:47third year or whatever, it works. It's $48 million. It's guaranteed. As opposed to 7.9
14:54guaranteed if he takes a qualifying offer. You know, if the qualifying offer is as great
14:59as the agent continues to talk about, then you should just take it, right? You should have
15:02taken it three weeks ago. You should have taken it three months ago. Had him take it
15:06because it's not a great option for them. There are, you know, reasons he would take
15:13it. I get it. And you become a free agent next year, but then you would have to have
15:17somebody with a ton of cap room who would be happy to pay you $35 million, $40 million
15:22to make up for all the money you've lost. And you're still probably not going to make up
15:25for that. So, yeah, I mean, the Warriors moved on this and I'm surprised they moved, but
15:32that's okay. They moved to a fair number. They were getting a little tough on him in
15:36that one year with the team options, a little bit tough. I would have understood if they
15:41kept there, but it was, you could say that was a little bit stingier than they needed
15:45to be. So they went to two, $48 million. They want to keep that trade slot. I think what's
15:53happened is kind of what often happens is Joe Lacob really likes a player, really likes
15:58a player. Everybody knows he likes a player. If it doesn't work out, the agent is still
16:03pushing for it because he knows Joe likes a player. At some point, Joe's going to let
16:06him go. At some point. Now, I don't know that to be true and it's going to get aggregated
16:10and whatever. That's great. But I'm just saying that's what happened with Wiseman. And the sense
16:16I get, other than we know that Joe Lacob likes Kaminga, is that they're not like completely
16:22saying this is our greatest player and Joe loves them. So we're never, you know, they're
16:27not doing that. They're doing, let's maintain the trade value. And the way they maintain
16:31the trade value in their minds is to stay at two years, $48 million. Now, could they go
16:35to a third year guaranteed? Yes, they could. You know, I don't think he'd be on the team
16:41in three years. They're not paying that salary, but I can see where they're saying that he
16:46has not earned this. And he's certainly not earned a player option because they've only given
16:50one player, a player option that I can recall. They've not given Steph Curry a player option,
16:55by the way. Right. You know, they gave two, Kevin Durant and Draymond Green. And Kevin
17:00Durant, you did it because you had to do it to get the guy. Draymond Green, you did it
17:03because he's never gotten the max. He's gotten his extension max, but it's been 22, 24, 26.
17:09It's not been 44, 48, 40, you know. So because he keeps taking below the max, they gave him
17:15a player option this year. So you're going to, you didn't give it to Steph. You didn't give
17:19it to Iguodala. You didn't give it to Clay. Right. And then you're going to give it to,
17:23to, to Jonathan Kaminga. That doesn't sound right. It doesn't feel right. Maybe they can
17:27do it. Um, but I, I've been waiting for them to just to draw the line at some point. Maybe
17:33it's this weekend. I think maybe the sign of that would be if we just start hearing Al
17:38Horford sign for one year, to Anthony Melton sign for one year, just announce them. And now
17:43they haven't done that because it would limit the number they can pay Kaminga in the first
17:48year. And they don't want that to happen. I might just go and do it, say, Jonathan,
17:52you can sign right now for this number, but if you don't, we want these guys reporting
17:58to camp on time. If we don't sign them, we can't have them in camp because they're not
18:01on the team. Uh, and if you don't take this number, then we're going to give Al Horford
18:06this number, Matt Melton, this number, Gary Payton, the second, this number, Seth Curry,
18:11this number, and then you must take this number because we can't go over this number. Uh, again,
18:15I'm a little surprised they haven't done that already. Maybe by Saturday, Sunday, uh, as
18:20Marcus Thompson suggests at one Oh five PM Sunday, when there's a kickoff going on in
18:25Santa Clara, uh, you know, we'll see. I, again, you know, if you're Al Horford, do you need
18:32to know by Monday? I think you did. I would want to know. I would want my son, my signature
18:36on a contract and not to be sitting around. Um, and you know, Sean Shrania has reported that,
18:43that, uh, Jimmy Butler's had a little mini camp in San Diego and everybody's been there,
18:47but not coming. Well, coming is not on the team. I get why he wouldn't be there. He's
18:50literally not on the team. He has no contract. So I wouldn't expect him to go out of his way
18:56to go to a mini camp. Uh, but what happens on Monday at media day could be very interesting.
19:02Um, I would, I would be unsurprised, but I don't know that it's happening that we start
19:09seeing some of these Al Horford and Melton at the very least start at being announced
19:15to deals. And it becomes a matter of, okay, Jonathan, like you had a chance at this number.
19:21We still love you. And they do, they do like them. I mean, there, there's been no shots at
19:25them. Uh, and, but this is the new number because we just had to go ahead and sign these
19:30guys and we couldn't hold them up waiting for you to come in at a number. Uh, we'll see
19:35if that is, that is the development that could happen over the weekend. Well, of course, Jonathan
19:42could sign over the weekend too. Um, um, it's a whole lot of staring at each other. It's a whole
19:48lot of factors that are beyond just the number beyond just what's his role. It's all these things
19:54converging at once probably should be decided by the weekend. No one, this thing though, this thing
19:59should have been decided by two months ago. So Michael best weekend. I just think there is a
20:04practical, do you really want to have a media day that doesn't have Al Horford, that doesn't have
20:11D'Anthi Melton, whether it has Jonathan Kaminga or not, whatever. But I think you kind of want
20:16those guys in, um, you know, Wednesday is the, you know, qualifying offer deadline, but you could
20:22delay that. That's one thing I've been trying to tell people. It's not a hard deadline because one,
20:27both sides could agree to delay it to even then the Warriors could offer more or less after that
20:32spot anyway. So that, that's just the moment that the Warriors are no longer obligated to offer him
20:387.9 million to maintain his restricted free agent status. Once that passes, they can offer him
20:43whatever they want to, and he's still restricted free agent. Wow. So, um, that's, that's the deadline
20:47there. I think the real one is probably Sunday night, Monday morning. Okay. Well, that's coming
20:53soon. Hey, uh, Tim, awesome. Awesome to get the Intel. Thank you so much for coming on.
20:58You got it guys. Anytime. All right.
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