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00:00And I don't want to get into the whole, like, but what about pods?
00:03Oh, yeah, well, what about pods?
00:04Like, maybe they're making a mistake with that one, too.
00:06I don't know.
00:08It's early.
00:08I mean, pods was apparently, you know, if you listen to,
00:13I think it was obviously more than this,
00:15but Warriors didn't want to trade pods for Laurie Markkinen, right?
00:19Anybody want to redo that?
00:20Right.
00:21I mean, because it would have been that simple.
00:23No.
00:23Just pods for Markkinen.
00:24No, it would have been 1,000 picks and a bunch of other players, too.
00:28Right.
00:28I don't know what the whole thing would have looked like,
00:30but Kaminga, I'm sure, was in that deal, too.
00:32Absolutely.
00:33As he was in the Kevin Durant deal.
00:34So when you sit here now, when you sit here today,
00:37and I hear people say that they have not ever given Jonathan a chance,
00:43I push back.
00:45They have given him too much of a chance.
00:47And I said, like, I'll never, the whole, like, oh, he's a young player.
00:51He's 23 years old.
00:52These things are all true.
00:53He's also a fifth-year veteran in the league.
00:56And I would argue with any of the big J.K. fans out there,
01:02give me a comp.
01:04Give me a comp of somebody who gets five years through what clearly his
01:12organization feels is not quite up to par.
01:16Then they re-sign him to a bigger contract,
01:20and then we're still stuck with, boy, I haven't given him a chance.
01:25Like, to me, what's happened here is the Warriors and Joe Lacob,
01:31they're trying to justify the No. 7 overall selection of the NBA draft.
01:37I don't even know if they're trying to justify it.
01:39I think that they're now positioning themselves to be able to get something for him
01:44at the trade deadline or before the trade deadline where you wouldn't be able to do
01:48as much if he was on the qualifying offer, which, by the way,
01:52comes with a no-trade clause for Kaminga.
01:55And so even if he went that route, well, then you couldn't trade him at all.
01:59So I think you got through the offseason and you got to a spot where you realize,
02:03okay, we're willing to try and see if it's going to work.
02:06And it worked for about two weeks, maybe three,
02:09and then it hasn't worked since then.
02:10He got hurt again, and then he came back, and it hasn't really worked.
02:14And Steve said what he said yesterday on our show.
02:16And, yeah, it's gotten to the point now where it may not work again.
02:21It still may work in a short stint.
02:23We don't really know.
02:24But if it doesn't work and you get a month down the road,
02:27a month and five days, and you actually can trade him,
02:31now he's much more tradable for you based on the fact that he makes $23 million.
02:35I get that.
02:36That evolves as it goes.
02:37That's asset management in this particular offseason, and I understand that.
02:41But my point is that by then, when you get there,
02:44you've sort of waited too long.
02:47You have arrived at a spot where you think you've got an asset
02:51and the rest of the league, what they're offering you, you don't like.
02:54Well, we don't know that yet.
02:56That's been reported widely.
02:57I'm not willing to say that.
02:59They were offered trades.
03:00They didn't like them.
03:01Right.
03:01Kings, Suns.
03:02Whatever trades you get offered now, they might be the same.
03:05They might be better.
03:06They might be worse.
03:07We don't really know.
03:08Right, and they might not like them this time around.
03:11Right.
03:11But to me, that's kind of a definition.
03:13If you're trying to trade someone and you don't like what's being offered,
03:16that's the world telling you that you like your asset more than we do.
03:19Well, you may like your asset less than you did back in October when you signed him
03:24or September, whenever it was, October, when you signed him to this new deal.
03:28You may like him less now than you did then because you may have thought two months ago,
03:32like, yeah, we think it could work.
03:34And I believe that they thought that it would work better than this.
03:37And so, yeah, your asset, it's a fluid thing.
03:40It's not just a finite, in concrete thing.
03:43Correct, correct.
03:43I mean, what you just said makes me think of Brandon Ayuk.
03:47The 49ers literally didn't like the deal 10 seconds after they signed it.
03:52And I would basically say the same thing that I have about the 49ers
03:58and to the 49ers about Brandon Ayuk as I would with regard to Jonathan Kaminga.
04:05Y'all need to do a better job of following your gut.
04:07Like, your gut was clearly telling the 49ers, oh, we probably shouldn't do this.
04:14Like, you're in a full-blown, summer-long fight with Brandon Ayuk.
04:19Rumors about trading him at the draft, you don't do it.
04:22You hang on to him.
04:23He starts going to social media and Jaden Daniels and showing up in the wrong shorts,
04:28and I know that was after the deal.
04:30But all of these things are happening, plus all of the things behind the scenes that we don't know.
04:35Kyle Shanahan, widely reportedly, super frustrated with everything that was going on at the facility
04:41regarding Brandon.
04:43How'd you handle it?
04:44We gave him $30 million.
04:45What are you doing?
04:46Yeah.
04:47Follow your gut.
04:48And there was a trade, reportedly, that was on the table.
04:51Totally.
04:51That they could have gotten a couple of picks for him.
04:53And I think about the Debo Samuel trade, where the Niners got a fifth-round pick for Debo Samuel.
04:58And they probably traded him too late.
05:01They probably should have dealt with that a year before they actually did.
05:04But they were in a Super Bowl window, Super Bowl or bust, you remember.
05:07And it turned out to be a bust.
05:09And so you busted the thing up.
05:11I mean, and think about this through the eyes of a coach, or even through the heart of a coach.
05:15You've coached whatever level.
05:16It doesn't matter.
05:17We all look at other human beings the same way, right?
05:20Like, what do you think this...
05:22How does this make you feel if you're a coach?
05:24You literally asked the coach of the Warriors yesterday,
05:28Hey, that guy that you benched, he's staying ready for you, though, right?
05:36Pat Spencer joined Steining and Guru earlier today, and he talked about being part of the
05:40stay-ready crew, where you just never know when you were going to tab them to come in and play.
05:46Is Jonathan Kaminga cut out to be one of those stay-ready guys in case that he happens to fall out of the rotation?
05:53Well, you know, he's obviously a guy with a lot of ambition, which I love.
06:00He wants to be a star.
06:01He's got the ability that gives him that hope and gives us that hope.
06:07But there has to be a consistent level of play in order to achieve that.
06:12And you've seen Jimmy really take him under his wing this year.
06:17And I love what the veteran players have done, Draymond and Steph.
06:21You know, they're all really fighting for him in his corner.
06:25So the potential is there.
06:26But there has to be a level of consistency, especially at this level.
06:32I mean, we're talking about the best basketball league in the world.
06:36And so the consistency has to be there for us.
06:40And, you know, if it's not there, then it makes it much more difficult for me to just to give him
06:46consistent minutes and give him starts.
06:48So that's what we're asking for is a more consistent level of production.
06:53I mean, the answer sort of evolved into him talking about, like, why Jonathan isn't always playing.
06:59But I think the beginning is what we're kind of getting at.
07:02Like, do you know what that does to a coach in an organization?
07:05If you ask them, hey, when things aren't going their way, they're staying ready, right?
07:11Attitude's in a good place.
07:12Yeah.
07:13Well, the big sigh.
07:16Dude, that is.
07:17I do.
07:18I do.
07:18But that's a kick in the you-know-whats to me, to an organization, and to the value of any player.
07:25Any player.
07:26I don't care who you're talking about.
07:27That is a major black mark if a coach has a hard time saying the word firmly, yes.
07:37If the coach is asked, hey, that player will stay ready for you, right?
07:41Stay ready.
07:43I mean, you're damn right.
07:44Like, he's champing at the bit.
07:46He can't wait to get in there.
07:47That, to me, that's a rough one.
07:48Like, what went through your mind when he said this?
07:51I couldn't believe he answered that the way they answered it.
07:54Two things.
07:54One, I think that he was speaking the truth that we all see, but the other piece was,
07:59yeah, the shock that he actually answered it the way he did, which was, you know, I mean,
08:03his opening sounds, not really his words, were like, God, I mean, you guys, I mean, what
08:09I was hearing him say without saying it is, you guys see it, you know.
08:13No, he's not part of the Stay Ready crew.
08:16He doesn't have that hunger.
08:17And then he went on to say that he's got ambition.
08:20And that's the thing that kind of struck me, because everyone has ambition.
08:24Pat Spencer's ambition is to be an NBA player and make enough money to where he can, you
08:30know, probably afford things that he otherwise wouldn't have.
08:33Guy Santos, same thing.
08:35I want to stay in this league.
08:37And if you're Kaminga and you're making 23, your ambition is, get me out of here so I can
08:43go somewhere and cook and show the world how good I am.
08:45And that's fine, but I do think that that rubs, maybe not everybody, that rubs a lot
08:50of people the wrong way.
08:51You're making $23 million and your coach can't firmly answer that you'll stay ready when he
08:57points at you?
08:59It doesn't matter who's right or wrong.
09:01That's a bad characteristic.
09:03No doubt.
09:03And you had me thinking about Jawan Jennings through all this, because he was a seventh
09:07round pick.
09:08And when he came in, he was on the Stay Ready guys.
09:11Like, he was not a starting wide receiver, and there were injuries, and there were spots.
09:16Okay, you get to come in and play as a rookie, and the next year, you play a little bit more.
09:20And the next year, you play a little bit more.
09:22And by the next year, you were third and Jawan.
09:25And so now you get to a spot where his ambition is greater than what it was, but he still is
09:32in that stay ready mode.
09:33We love those stories.
09:35Right.
09:36Like, this isn't personal, y'all.
09:38We love those stories in sports.
09:40They're everywhere.
09:41Potts, 29.
09:44Yaz, 29 when he gets to the big leagues.
09:49Ryan Vogelsang had to pitch in Japan for seven years or whatever.
09:53We love these stories.
09:54We love it when somebody hangs the frick in there.
09:59Whoa.
09:59And then it works out.
10:02It works out.
10:03Give me that story all day over the highly touted millionaire who's not having it go exactly
10:12the way that they want it to go, and then, you know, calls Shams because he doesn't like
10:18the way it's going.
10:19Come on.
10:20What kind of story is that?
10:21Or the agent facepalms on Twitter.
10:23Yeah.
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