00:00We got to get moving here. Something bothered me what you said. You think we have to shelf any
00:03playoff talk now. After one loss to the Jets, we're three and two. We have to shelf playoff
00:08talk. So no more seven in heaven after one week. I tend to lean on the side of Owen on
00:17this. I do
00:18think seven in heaven needs park. So why? You don't just hold on. You don't just do seven in
00:24heaven out of nowhere just to give up on it after one week. This was a decision that was made
00:28for
00:29the long term. I understand. All right. You don't have seven. And by the way, just because
00:33you might not be in the playoff, like playoffs, you can still be in the race. Because they
00:41were terrible. Okay. And what did you say about the team this morning? I said that they are
00:45still not that great, but there's plenty. You said they're not that good. But there's plenty
00:49of teams that make the playoffs that are still devoid of what they need to actually compete
00:55for a Super Bowl. I had them seventh. Okay. And where do you just project? You'll find out tomorrow
01:01at seven when we do seven in heaven. I'm doing seven in heaven tomorrow at seven by yourself in
01:07your car. Then fine. I'm doing it. I'll do it. The cigar store to buy a cutter. No, I'm doing
01:11it
01:11tomorrow at 7 a.m. You guys can have whatever segment you guys want to have. Every word I say
01:17will be about the playoffs tomorrow morning at seven o'clock. I'm gonna tell you that right now
01:21because it's completely asinine for us to argue about keeping the playoff, keeping the playoff
01:25talk. And then a week later going, Hey, you know what? It was right. We shouldn't be talking about
01:29playoffs at all. No, there's plenty of teams that are not that great. That still make a run to the
01:34playoffs. We are not that great. We just lost to the jets who are bad. You lost on the road
01:39in bad
01:40weather because you're still needing of talent. You lost town in big places. You got guys hurt.
01:48Casey Concepcion nearly had his head taken off because you had a cheap shot by Mika Fitzpatrick.
01:53Don't give a damn what anybody says. So you need, you will need some more people. And the way to
02:00get
02:00those people are the draft and a little bit of free agency. Well, I can't have a draft this week,
02:05so I'm still going to stick to my guns on this. I think it is way of an overreaction to
02:12say no
02:13playoff talk whatsoever because they lost a road game to the jets. They lost the jets in 2020.
02:19Owen mentions COVID. Okay. It was still the terrible two win jets. And we were one of their
02:23two wins. We had bad losses in 2023. I'd have to go back and look, but I know that we
02:29didn't have
02:29some, there were some not so great losses in 2023. Especially early in the year while they were
02:33trying to figure everything out. And Nick, we're still early in the year. They lost to the Ravens because
02:39so it does. That's right. So do we need to be so crazy? No, Nick, I think, I think you're
02:45really overreacting. I'm not overreacting because I'm not saying that this is a team
02:49that can't go to the playoffs. I want to table the conversation for one week because I saw
02:54some things that spooked the absolute hell out of me yesterday. The fact that they can't run
02:59the football. That's bad. The fact that when, when Spencer German asks Todd after the game, you
03:07know, it's been five weeks based on what you've seen. How do you fix the run game? Todd says,
03:11I don't know. Had I known, I would have fixed it. There's not a lot that you can fix. Quenchon
03:15Junkins, guys, probably ain't that great. Well, what's scaring me? The offensive line is not that
03:20great. You're asking what's scaring me and why I don't want to talk about playoffs. There you go.
03:23Why do you need to be afraid of the truth? What is there to be afraid of? We have to
03:28fix it. Like I'd be
03:29more afraid of things I don't know. Like if I know the issue, then fine. Now we can go ahead
03:35and we can fix.
03:35Because the coach is admitting out loud that he doesn't know how to fix it. He said that a couple
03:40of weeks above the penalties and the penalties have persisted. Does he really not know how to fix
03:44it? Or is it something he doesn't want to admit? Do you want to sit there and tell everybody that
03:47Quenchon Junkins might not be that good? You can, because you're a radio show host. You're not the
03:51head coach of the Browns. There's a tremendous difference in what can be said. So Quenchon Junkins,
03:56guys, just might not be that great. So what do we need to do? If we want to do playoffs
04:00and if we need to do
04:00seven and a half, or if we're, if we're doing playoffs, then we got to trade for somebody, right?
04:05I'll have more carries with Rocket Sanders, more carries with Jaleel McLaughlin because he did leave
04:07in a boot. So who knows if he's even going to play on Sunday. Quenchon did. Quenchon left in a
04:11boot.
04:12So yeah, sorry. That's what I meant. He left in a boot. So you might end up having more with
04:16Rocket
04:17Sanders and Jaleel McLaughlin on next Sunday anyway. So guys, like a lot of this stuff, it's just,
04:22it's not an excuse. It's an explanation. Why? Yeah. They could still be a six or seven win team,
04:29not a nine, 10 or 11 win team. And yesterday was where it reared its ugly head. You had a
04:35bad
04:35weather game. Your quarterback's not that great in bad weather. You had a bad offensive line day.
04:40You had bad running. There was, you put the ball on the ground. You had special teams gaffes that
04:44that doesn't win football games in the NFL. And I'm not the same. Those are the same mistakes
04:50they've been making all year. Those are the same mistakes they made in Jacksonville and it got
04:55them. Special teams. No, but the other things, yes. And because of that, you will lose to
04:59some really good football teams. Cause you're not that great. You're just not that great,
05:02but that doesn't mean you can't make some sort of a run to the playoffs. That doesn't mean you,
05:05you can fix penalties. Yes, you can. You can work on fixing the running game. You don't just give up
05:10George Warhop. I think has done a pretty fine job or yesterday. I think he's done a pretty fine job
05:15with the offensive line. And even that was probably unfair to say about George Warhop there.
05:19You've had some injuries. They've caught up to you on the offensive line. You have some
05:22inexperience that caught up to you on the offensive line. David Bailey was tremendous yesterday.
05:26We weren't. Okay. David Bailey was number two overall. You're going to have to face a lot of
05:33good pass rushers the rest of the day. Yeah. It's the name of the game. And I don't know what
05:37my
05:37right tackle situation is looking like. So what are you so afraid of if you don't know these things?
05:41Why are we acting so afraid? What's there to be afraid of? It's exactly that. It's the fear of the
05:46unknown. And it's the fear that... No, you just said the known. You just said there are no unknown
05:52unknowns. You knew all the unknowns now. Right. Coming into the year. And that's why we were saying
05:57that this was a football team that was probably only going to win five or six games. Okay. And now
06:01they've won three. So they could still win more. I don't know why we have to just give up on
06:05any
06:05any sort of conversation about playoffs. For one week. Because you just lost to that New York
06:10Jets team. And you've got Baltimore on the horizon. But then it was silly to bring it back in the
06:15first place if you didn't believe in them anyway. That's what I'm pointing out. That's what I'm
06:19saying. Why can't we bring it back in the first? Because I thought that they could still be playing
06:22three. So they duped you. They duped you, Ken. No. Oh, yes. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Then
06:29they got...
06:30You got... You got to admit that you got got by the Cleveland Browns. It's okay. I did too.
06:34When they were playing... You just got to live up to it. Don't stop. Believe it. At practice when they
06:38were
06:38playing the journey, I got duped. Because they made you believe that they're a playoff team last
06:42week. We did it again. And now today you're saying they're not a playoff team. I'm not the one giving
06:46up on the playoff. We did it again. We did it again. Oh, and we believed the fairy tale that
06:50the
06:50Cleveland Browns were going to be something that they weren't this year. Guys, hold on. Have some
06:54personal responsibility for Christ's sake. Okay? Hold on. Now, I know that we're just... We've been
07:00taking it on the chin all weekend because someone shut their mouth off on Friday. But let's just get
07:05back to some semblance of responsibility here. I'm not the one saying to give up on playoff
07:11conversation. I asked Nick. Nick does. I vehemently disagree with him. And this is the
07:17reason. Does anybody here want to stand behind what they say? Does anybody here want to stand
07:23behind it? Okay, if you do, or at least you say you do, you don't mention the playoffs and
07:28then after one week, oh, I ain't talking about playoffs no more. I ain't doing that. I mean,
07:32that's silly. Then why do it? I agree. Why do it in the first place, Ken? Why do it in
07:40the first
07:40place? If you take away playoff conversations, then the next time you talk about the playoffs,
07:44okay, well, this psycho mentions the playoffs any chance he gets. Don't you ever get excited
07:49about another Browns win this year? I will be excited. Don't do it because you don't care.
07:53No, I do care. I'm still saying the playoffs. How can I not care? How can I not be excited?
07:57If they beat the Baltimore Ravens next Sunday, I'm going to be really excited. Did you care about
08:00losing the game yesterday? I was, I said, I care about losses. You said you didn't care.
08:06I do care. No, you started the show with. I do care. I don't care as much because the
08:10Guardians won. Let's see, I got trapped. I was, no, that's ridiculous. I thought I could
08:14only get trapped when. That's a Ken Carlin class here. This is Bolshevich and you know it.
08:20It does feel like we maybe just got a little bit over our skis with the playoffs. It is all
08:26I'm
08:26saying. And that for one week, I wouldn't mind tabling it because I saw some things in
08:31that game. That's a fourth. I didn't mean to do it. I saw some things in that game that
08:35made me worry that this team is closer to, to, to the NFL draft than they are to the NFL
08:40playoffs. Okay. So what's the point? Like if they come out guys, if they come out and they
08:44look listless against the Ravens or they look like the lights too bright at home against the
08:49Ravens, then maybe I'll have that conversation. But you're three and two. You lost a tough game
08:54to the Jets. A game that, yeah, you could have won. You should have won in so many
08:57ways, but you didn't because you're still not that great. Doesn't mean you can't not
09:01talk about playoffs. Love of God. We really think Deshaun's going to take this thing to
09:05the playoffs. You can take it to the wild card, Ron. You know how many bad quarterbacks
09:09have been in the playoffs before? There have been. TJ Yates started playing. He wasn't even
09:12that bad. But TJ Yates started playoff games. You go back and look at some of these
09:15guys. Dancing in the sacks and fumbling the football away. I don't know, man. I don't
09:22know. Tay, you got 35 seconds. Go. Tay, you have 30 seconds. Go. Hey, you're down to
09:3425 seconds. Tay was afraid. Jeff in Cincinnati, you got 30 seconds. Go. Listen, you guys are
09:41being so unfair to Deshaun Watson. If you look at a box score and come away with, oh, he
09:46was bad. You didn't watch the game. The torrential downpour. His receivers are dropping
09:50crucial catches. His line's terrible. He's making plays, extending plays, breaking sacks.
09:56Isaiah Bond, the one catch he does make, he just goes out of bounds inexplicably. Just
10:01walks out of bounds. So wait a minute. The Browns paid $230 million for a quarterback
10:04who can't play in bad weather? Because he's never played well in bad weather. He's never
10:10played well in bad weather. It's not going to be as simple as black and white. It's not
10:12black and white. Did they lose the game? Did they lose the game? Did they lose the game?
10:18Answer the question. Did they lose? Did they lose the game? Have you ever played in terrible
10:22weather? Did they lose the game? You ain't going to get me worked up. Did Sean play well?
10:25Yeah. Did Sean play well? No. You think that he played well? Yes, absolutely. You have
10:31eyes? Circumstances. You have eyes? I have eyes. Do you have eyes? You don't know what you're
10:35watching. Hold on. Can I do this? I've never gotten to do this. Owen, please. I've never gotten
10:39to do this before. You're a 3-1 football team and we're still looking for a whole bunch of
10:43excuses for guys. I thought we were over that stuff. Listen, I saw Quinn Sean
10:47Duckins rush for what? 2.8? Again, more excuses. You're not giving me reasons he
10:52played well. You're giving me excuses why he didn't play well. You see, that's the
10:56difference, Jeff. You're giving me excuses why he didn't play well. You didn't say why
11:02he played well. It's just excuses for why he didn't play well. That means he did not
11:07play well. We were talking about bringing this guy back a week ago. There were
11:11conversations, but what did Deshaun Watson extension look like? We didn't do that on
11:16this show. Stop. How silly does that feel? We didn't do that on this show. It feels so
11:21silly. When on this show, you're saying it's stupid. We didn't say it on this show. I
11:26don't know what you want. Never wanted that. On the show that I was on last week. What
11:30show were you on last week? Take that to that stupid show then, Nick. What show were
11:33you on? Say the name. Name names. It's on from 2 to 7. They have quite a reputation
11:41going for themselves after Friday.
