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00:02she says something she was trying to tell me something but I but she also had her mouth full of blood but
00:15the only sound I could understand was al but it makes me panic but these these things
00:25you write them on the wall in blood at that moment you look after years I can't even explain it to myself
00:34mechanism that allows each of us to react differently to the situation that occurs
00:40at that moment in that instant I see myself arriving against this male subject who is looking in the
00:53see me look for the escape route at the same time as I open the door I feel I see a figure
01:00female walking away and speaking in English and saying let's go away that there is a person
01:07Of
01:07the visa black man in the house there is a black man there is a black man
01:15I recognize the female figure because it was in Amanda Nox's voice, that is, guys, why?
01:21anyway I knew her, I had already spoken to her other times, so I recognize her voice
01:38beautiful Perugia in the heart of Umbria, one of the Italian cities with the best quality of life
01:45this is November 4th square, the Priors' Palace, the postcard fountain and the meeting square
01:52It is the center of the city and it is also the center of the city where students meet in the
02:00In 2007, think that between universities for Italians and foreigners there were approximately 30 thousand out of a
02:07population of just under 170 thousand people in the university for foreigners went Meredith
02:16kercher english amanda nox american also raffaele sollecito went to university here and lived here
02:25Rudy Guede, an Aivorian with a family who had been living in Perugia for many years
02:42you were in perugia how long before meredith was killed but i grew up in
02:49Perugia I went to school there I went to basketball here it was my city absolutely and at a
02:59at a certain point let's say shortly before this crime you met both amanda and meredith you want me
03:11tell us how you met Amanda, what impression she made on you, but that's for today, it's a
03:17university town like all the people who went to university that is everything that goes around
03:25around the university in an environment where knowledge is important, I want to reiterate this because
03:32maybe when we talk about knowledge we think that we have known a person for six years and therefore instead
03:38Knowledge is relative and therefore you can meet a person who you have never seen in your life and you will be there
03:43you can meet up for a chat and see each other again the next day because the city is small the city is small
03:49between almost every day but it is also an easy environment to meet and it is a cosmopolitan environment
03:55that is, in any case, in the mentality there is almost no distinction between the subject, where you come from, who you are and what
04:05Amanda made an impression on you, but the imposition as you experienced it, but the impression as I was saying was
04:11a normal impression as I can get to know any other person during an evening in a club in a
04:19absolutely absolutely local
04:25and Raffaele Sollecito have you ever seen him I'm not a person that I've never met never met
04:35this is the graduation square where the kids come to celebrate their diploma and try to
04:41imagine it on Halloween night on October 31st full of masks full of fun full of
04:49laughter of drinking of what you normally do on a night like that on that night meredith
04:58Kercher meets Rudy Guede, they already know each other but that evening they arrange to meet up for the next day
05:12I met her during a rugby match, I remember perfectly that it was the final of
05:19South Africa and England so you met her during a meeting in a pub an Irish pub here
05:28in Perugia while you were watching this sporting event then you meet her again during the evening of the
05:35of Halloween night on October 31st and the meeting even earlier yes certainly even earlier and then the night
05:43during Halloween night in a place that at the time was called Domus if I'm not mistaken
05:57you meet two girls dressed as vampires no but this is merit and then this happens before
06:03it happens in because before going to the domus I go to a friend's house where this thing is so much so
06:12me
06:12it will confuse me it will confuse me because there was a girl who was dressed as a vampire when they show me the
06:18photo I confuse the two places but in reality I have actually been to both places
06:26I see her at the domus
06:36listen you liked meredith she was a nice girl and so I can't deny the fact that
06:45this made me feel that I was attracted to an interest that is normal, this can be done
06:52have for any girl and cute and sweet obviously because in this book that you have
06:58written, let's say, stories about this too, this desire to see her again, to spend time together
07:07you go and look for her at home, she's not there, then you go back a little while later, she arrives
07:14and then finally you
07:17but met before getting to that instead amanda what kind of relationship is exchanged only
07:23I exchanged a few words with Amanda and also during the evening with the guys from
07:30under the house of the guys from the Marche, a simple chat but it was an evening where we were all
07:37how many together will the boys be, me, Nox and Meredith in reality between October 31st and
07:54night of November 1st within 24 hours this knowledge will turn into a
08:01Tragedy: Meredith found murdered in her apartment; mysterious death of a young girl
08:10English: A 22-year-old English girl was found with a fit of rage in the house she lived in
08:16together with some investigators they are focusing their attention on the victim's cell phones if
08:21the interrogations of some people who had spent the day with the people are passing
08:30deep to the moon insect with force between three and five in the morning of October 2nd
08:44after Halloween night, the night of the witches' revelry, naturally, who stayed up late, who stayed up late
08:51pulled the dawn sleeps the city has calmed down because it is a day of celebration and the recurrence of the saints
09:01Therefore
09:01there is a great calm in the city everyone wakes up late and rudiguede wakes up late too but he wakes up
09:09with a specific thought, that of meeting Meredith Kercher, they exchanged some jokes the night before
09:19which were a prelude to a meeting and that's exactly what he wants so he goes to look for her in
09:26his house the first attempt fails because when he arrives there is nobody there not even the
09:31students who share an apartment with her
09:49we slowly arrive at that evening of November 1st, you in the afternoon go and look for Meredith
09:59I mean, you feel like seeing her again because the night before at the domus we had said we would
10:04see you again the next day so go to her house yes yes absolutely but she's not there but she's not
10:11there is
10:12then I go back to the center I hang out with other friends with other friends then after I go back I go back there
10:41And
10:45to
10:45to
10:46to
11:02Thank you all.
11:23Thank you all.
11:55Thank you all.
12:45Thank you all.
13:11Thank you all.
13:20Thank you all.
13:49Thank you all.
14:18Thank you all.
14:47I do.
15:14Thank you all.
15:36Thank you all.
15:39Meredith goes to her room to drop off her bag.
15:42Yes, yes, to make amends.
15:43And then he comes back, this is your story, saying that they disappeared from his estate money.
15:49That is, at a certain point she complains about her roommate at the time.
15:55I mean, Amanda.
15:56Amanda, and at that point I say to her, look, first you have to verify that this thing happened, because
16:04Hypothetically saying that it could have been a person is a bit slanderous, isn't it?
16:10So I check and basically I manage to reassure her and nothing.
16:14But you add that in this dialogue you are having about the story of the money that disappeared,
16:21You sense a certain resentment in Meredith towards Amanda.
16:27Yes, yes, this.
16:28And that's why I still try to calm her down to say that you can't bring to curse if first
16:35you didn't talk to the person until there was a confrontation.
16:41After that, talking, we talk, yes, anyway.
16:44Start kissing.
16:45Yes, as I say in the book and as I always said during the trial, we have
16:53an approach, in youth slang it's called petting, after which having reached a certain point
17:01she asks me if I had a condom, the condom, I say that I didn't have it there and since
17:07She was a nice girl, in short, she makes you understand that you can't go any further and we stop there.
17:17But when the autopsy is done, the medical examiners will ascertain that in fact
17:25there was sexual intercourse, they cannot say whether it was consensual or not
17:31consenting, but which actually took place, therefore there was a relationship.
17:34Yes, but even the medical examiners say precisely because they are not able to say if there is
17:39it was a previous relationship, now the previous relationship could be that two days before
17:44or on the evening of Halloween itself, she may have had sexual intercourse with someone else
17:51person, so this, the fact that my DNA is there is refutable by the fact that in any case
17:57DNA, I repeat, not other things that I have heard in these years, that people have talked about things
18:04that did not exist, because the DNA even with a handshake that I can give her, through
18:09My sweat can be used to extract my DNA, the same goes for saliva, so
18:14that's great.
18:15But then if you kissed, caressed, touched, it's pretty obvious that the DNA is there.
18:21But in these years I have heard all sorts of things, so I really want to point out that
18:27people understand that DNA can be extracted even from saliva, especially if I kissed
18:33one person, we did petting, this.
18:36Then, and here begins the part, let's say, that you were very contested about, right?
18:43That is, you had eaten a kebab.
18:45Yes, I had eaten.
18:46This kebab makes your stomach hurt.
18:47Because it was spicy, I made a mixture, as they would call a boasba.
18:55And it made me have to go to the bathroom.
18:59But does he go to the bathroom with headphones on?
19:01As usual.
19:02I was told, ah, it's impossible to go to the bathroom to listen to music.
19:07There are people who played video games, on the Game Boy.
19:10I mean, there are people taking showers, listening to music.
19:12So, I don't understand why it wasn't possible for me to listen to music.
19:17Anyway, I go over there and put on my headphones.
19:21Because anyway, you know, like when you go to the bathroom, you also make yourself comfortable, okay?
19:26It was my habit.
19:27And so I put on my headphones.
19:29With very loud music.
19:32It's common for me to listen to music at high volume even when I'm walking down the street.
19:37So much so that sometimes they criticized me.
19:40Anyway, if you cross the street you don't hear someone honking, that's a problem, right?
19:46Anyway.
19:47And so, unfortunately, this was my habit.
19:50So I sit down and listen to my favorite songs.
19:53That I had on my iPad.
19:57On the iPod.
19:59And nothing, until I get to the third song, almost halfway through the third song,
20:07and I don't hear a scream that I can perceive more than the water of the volume.
20:13Despite the headphones.
20:14Despite the headphones.
20:15At which point, without worrying, really, without worrying about downloading...
20:21The water.
20:22Download, that is, my thought is that it happened.
20:25You get up.
20:25I get up and try to get dressed.
20:27And run.
20:28And I run to see what happened.
20:34This is the crux of the matter.
20:36What's going on?
20:37That is, you go out...
20:38I'm going out and I'll tell myself...
20:40I go out and open the bathroom door, which was in a secluded position.
20:46I mean, it was from the living room, it was to the right.
20:50So, as you come out, you find yourself in the bathroom, you turn around and find the living room/kitchen.
20:56Yes.
20:57Then there's a kind of half-corridor and there's Meredith's bedroom.
21:01The first thing I notice is that the light is off in the living room/kitchen.
21:05Same thing in the hallway.
21:06While it was on before you went to the bathroom.
21:08Yes, yes, absolutely.
21:09Because I had left Meredith, who was still there and talking.
21:12And I head towards the corridor and I see this male subject coming towards me
21:19who seeks, in seeing me, seeks the way out.
21:22At the same time, as I open the door, I see a female figure walking away
21:30and who speaks in English and says let's go away, that there is a person, there is a black man
21:37in the house.
21:39There is a black one.
21:40There is a black one.
21:42At that point the male figure comes towards me and looks for an escape route.
21:46Then they walk away.
21:47And you see that you have a knife in your hand.
21:50For me it was a knife, it seemed like a knife to me.
21:53But it wasn't a knife, it was small.
21:55So much so that I say, it seemed to me that he had a scalpel in his hand.
21:58Because he left me with some cuts anyway.
22:01Because it's there when someone attacks you, you try to put your hand like that.
22:09And you don't see this person clearly?
22:12Because it was dark, except there was no light.
22:15It was dark so I couldn't see her face very well.
22:20So much so that at the trial I will describe what this person was like.
22:26You say he was wearing a sweatshirt, you even have the brand.
22:29Yes, yes, I say the brand and I can get in to see the hood, more or less what color
22:33could have.
22:35And I make an effort, of course, to pinpoint what the subject looked like.
22:41And don't you recognize the female figure?
22:43I recognize the female figure because it was in Amanda Knox's voice.
22:47So was it her?
22:48Yes, because I knew her anyway, I had already spoken to her elsewhere.
22:51So other times I recognize his voice.
22:55Then after that everything happens in a fraction, all of this that I'm describing.
23:01Then I fall to the ground, I fall to the ground and this person manages to escape.
23:07Obviously, I don't have the strength and courage to chase because I'm afraid.
23:12But I'm rather worried about understanding what happened in Meredith's room, where she was the only one
23:19illuminated.
23:20At which point I go inside and what I see is a heartbreaking, incomprehensible scene.
23:29The first thing that comes to mind is to help her anyway.
23:34What do you see?
23:35Is she full of blood?
23:36I see her.
23:37Blood coming out of your throat?
23:38Yes, I could see blood coming out and also from the mouth.
23:42At which point I go to the bathroom near his room.
23:46The first towel I found, the first thing that looked like a towel,
23:52I take a towel and try to dab the wound.
23:56Then I go back into the bathroom again and get another towel.
24:01Is she saying something?
24:02Yes, she was trying to tell me something, but I also had my mouth full of blood, but I
24:13the only sound he could understand was aff, aff, aff.
24:18But then I start to panic.
24:21But you write these things on the wall in blood?
24:25Yes.
24:26So, at that moment, look, after years I can't even explain the mechanism
24:33that can, each of us reacts differently when faced with a situation that occurs in that
24:39moment, in that instant, because talking about it now manages to delay time.
24:55Certain.
25:01It's a strange thing, you're absolutely right, but at that moment I acted in that way,
25:10I reacted that way.
25:14It's like hearing aff, aff, aff, as if he wanted to tell me something and I was left with
25:21in prensa this sound, these phonetics.
25:24It's like, oh God, I mustn't forget this.
25:27But it's not like I say, wait, I'll go get a piece of paper and write calmly.
25:32Okay, sure.
25:32Okay, so, I don't know, I, the fact is that...
25:36And you at some point?
25:37At a certain point, seeing that situation, that scene, I collapse psychologically, I collapse
25:44really psychologically.
25:46And you run away?
25:46I'm running away, oh God, I'm running away, because running away, it's those who do something who run away, it's those who can't do it
25:54to endure something he has never seen in his life, something he is not used to.
26:00In shock, I walked away from the house and maybe if I hadn't...
26:05If I had called for help...
26:06But even if I had started screaming like a madman, I would have attracted attention, maybe
26:12they would have called the ambulance.
26:14You never know with hindsight, but I wish things had gone this way, okay?
26:21And instead I let myself be scared by that whole scene...
26:29absurd and my brain went haywire.
26:34But Rudy, you are a very intelligent boy, very attentive and I wonder, among other things
26:44now you are also working for a criminology center, I wonder how you thought of
26:51escape what had happened, that is, that they did not identify you and how in fact
26:58it happened, how did you think you could get out of it without anything happening, let's say?
27:05But it's not that I thought I'd get out of it, it's just that apart from the fact that I was almost twenty at the time...
27:12and my life was made in a completely different way, basketball, friends, university evenings, so
27:22I could think of anything except that I'm getting out of it now, in the sense that at a certain point
27:31I was in shock, my brain went haywire, I didn't think, I'm getting out of here now,
27:38I thought, damn, they're blaming me here, how do I justify all this?
27:44It was a way of reacting and not stopping to think carefully, to go to the police
27:51to tell her?
27:52Oh sure, because I can also understand that at the moment you find yourself, as you said
28:00in that situation, you may have the instinct to walk away, to go away, to escape,
28:06but after a cool head, when you wake up in the morning, you don't instinctively feel like it
28:18to go and tell, also because if you are innocent you have nothing to hide?
28:24So, I'll answer you by telling you that the next day I was still in a panic, because so many things
28:32I was able to reconstruct it because they were told to me, because in that time frame I
28:39I really went into shock, now I don't know how each of us in this world reacts.
28:47In front of situations, each of us, you will react in a different way as
28:53the other people who are around us will react differently than us, unfortunately
29:00I reacted that way, but not because I wanted to react that way, because
29:04my brain couldn't take it, faced with something truly unthinkable for me, so I
29:12I can certainly blame it on how I reacted, on how I didn't think carefully.
29:17Yes, you have that, Rudy, you have that, that is, the idea that in that situation anyway
29:22maybe she wouldn't have been saved, maybe they wouldn't have, they wouldn't have been able to save her, but give
29:28the alarm, calling for help was still a gesture saying...
29:32It is a duty, this is a duty, and I don't want to justify myself by saying that I don't want anyone
29:40had he been in my place, because I wouldn't have known how he would have acted, maybe
29:45he would have done better than me, so this is really something that I carry inside, however
29:52I lived that scene and no one else lived it, my brain acted in that
29:58manner for the cruelty he witnessed, so I believe that...
30:03Listen, I'm going to ask you a question that might even be unpleasant, but come on, have you ever had…
30:08a similar approach to the one you had with Meredith, with Amanda?
30:14No.
30:16No?
30:16Ninth.
30:18And no, like, Amanda never showed you any interest or anything like that, because...
30:28which by the way, I mean, would be perfectly normal, I mean, there would be nothing wrong with that, I mean,
30:36so you've never had any kind of relationship, let's say, beyond greeting each other, getting to know each other,
30:41meet up with Amanda?
30:44Personally, I don't.
30:46No.
30:47And Meredith never told you anything, beyond the story about the rent money,
30:53of his relationship with Amanda?
30:55She complained that she was missing things, or that the house was dirty, and so on.
31:02No, because it was said that... it was hypothesized, then this never came out, in reality,
31:08that, let's say, there had been an attempt to involve Meredith in a sexual game,
31:16and then it ended badly.
31:18But the fact is that there has never been a sexual game, the fact is that there is no
31:25never been
31:26a sexual assault, so I think this reconstruction was a reconstruction
31:32forced, first by the media, then by the trial, so much so that even today, in all these years,
31:42it's a discourse that has been fading away, actually falling away.
31:49But what I want to try to understand is when you found yourself in front of Amanda
31:59and Raffaele Sollecito, because you say for me they were...
32:04I recognize Amanda Nobis, that evening, as the person who walked away.
32:10You saw him running away from the house.
32:22You say, I recognize Amanda running away from the house, after which you find yourself in a trial
32:29in which you are the only one who is condemned and she, and Raffaele Sollecito, from your point of view
32:37from your perspective, they come out innocent and free, right?
32:43They have been acquitted of everything, they are absolutely extraneous from a judicial point of view to that
32:51what happened.
32:52Well, then, from that point of view certainly see that from the judicial point of view the
32:58things ended this way, it makes me angry, bitter and sad, but both for me and
33:05for a family in England, who currently have no culprit for their daughter.
33:12Have you had any dealings with Meridi's family?
33:14Yes, yes, I wrote to him, I wrote him a letter...
33:17They didn't answer me, because I wrote a letter sent to the lawyer at Maresca,
33:22who had it delivered to him...
33:24Who is the family lawyer?
33:25...of the Kercher family, I wrote to him, I told him...
33:28I was sorry that I could not do as much as possible for them as it was their
33:35daughter, but I am certainly not the one responsible for ending her life,
33:43absolutely, as well as all the other things that have been talked about in these years, I don't
33:48that they were watching.
33:49In the book you wrote, you repeat a few times, I don't say many, but a few times,
33:55the fact that being a black man you somehow felt like the sacrificial lamb,
34:06the perfect culprit, the one who had been convicted all things considered, also fell within a form of racism, if you like.
34:17But this happens over the years, it happens systematically, but if I finish answering the question you asked me before,
34:28in the sense that I lived a moment and I tried, during the process, to tell what I have
34:38lived,
34:39What I saw, okay? I couldn't go any further, I couldn't tell, make up fanciful tales or fanciful reconstructions,
34:50I mean, I saw that and that photographic picture was what I tried to explain to the judges and
34:58to the PM.
34:59Why didn't they believe you?
35:00They didn't believe me because at a certain point, a systematic denigration was born about me, first in the media,
35:11a slander against me, a description of my person, of my image, which was not who I was.
35:17That is, I don't mean to say that I had to be sanctified.
35:20I am a boy who has his merits, his defects, he has done his stupid things, but I was
35:26an ordinary boy, an ordinary teenager.
35:28Instead, from there they started saying that I was a thief, that I was a drug dealer, we're talking about media, okay?
35:38This media trial has also reached within the trial, that is, it is as if they came in front of her and told her
35:47look, he's a drug dealer, she's the first thing he does, what is it?
35:51He goes to any police agency and has to make sure that the person they describe as a drug dealer actually is one.
36:00Because if it were not so, it is slander, denigration.
36:03Instead this image has passed.
36:05Yes, but if I can tell you there was a heavy media trial and from a certain point of view in
36:15then an irritating, unacceptable media trial.
36:23But, let's say, what was applied to you as a story of who you were and who you were not, was
36:31also applied to Amanda and Sollecito.
36:34Amanda was seen as a kind of erotomaniac who was ready to sleep with all the students in
36:40Perugia.
36:41Prompt, he had ice-cold eyes, he was a man who held the scene perfectly, he was even capable of telling lies.
36:48making yourself believe.
36:49That is, as if to say, I have to think that in the end the judges who decided the sentence that then you
36:59those who were brought to prison did so on the basis of evidence and not simply because they read the newspaper or
37:05watched television.
37:06For goodness sake, however, the same judges, it is not the case of those who judged me, but for example take it
37:15and I speak by judgment, not because I say so.
37:19The sentence of Florence, of the other subjects, there is a judge who allows himself to say and write in black and white
37:26white that I was a subject accused of committing thefts.
37:31Now, the term addito means systematically.
37:36Yes, you used to do that regularly.
37:37And a judge writes it.
37:38At that point I ask myself, is the judge's job to ascertain that the individual really does these things?
37:46in any city in Italy.
37:50And when that's not the case, what does it mean? I wonder this.
37:55No, no, but I'm following your reasoning.
37:59That is, so it means...
37:59But I, let's say, move it to the media level in my opinion...
38:06No, I'm moving it to the media level because...
38:09It's very risky.
38:10No, no, no, on a media level I'm not saying that all the broadcasters in Italy woke up and wanted to
38:16pour mud on me.
38:18Yeah, look, now we've found a black guy...
38:21No, I'm not saying that, because if we go and see the recordings, if we go and see the programs, the talks
38:26shows that have aired in these 15 years,
38:31certain individuals have done nothing more than put an act, a plan to discredit my image.
38:38Just go back and watch all the programs.
38:42I mean, I don't think the journalists woke up in the morning saying that Rudi was a drug dealer.
38:48They should have investigated.
38:50But instead, in the background, little by little, this message got through and everyone took it for granted.
38:56Everyone.
38:57Everyone took it for granted without even really looking into who Rudi was.
39:01What kind of life did he lead?
39:03It was said that I was wrong, I lived on the streets, I committed thefts.
39:08I was cheeky.
39:09But where was the evidence?
39:11And what kind of life do you have now?
39:13Now I live the life of an ordinary person.
39:16Maybe the life I would have had if I hadn't experienced this situation.
39:21I work, I wake up in the morning, I have two jobs.
39:25I work at a criminological research center in Viterbo.
39:28And in the evenings I work at a restaurant as a waiter.
39:31So I'm not just sitting around doing nothing during the day.
39:35And I work while also paying taxes, paying my bills, my payments on everything else.
39:43Like everyone else.
39:44Have you given up a little on this sentence that landed you in prison?
39:48No, absolutely not, absolutely not.
39:51I have never accepted this situation I found myself in.
39:59So much so that I asked for a review of the trial.
40:02I fought, I asked for it.
40:05But strangely enough, I wasn't granted that.
40:10I don't know why, in fact perhaps it would have been right to reopen the trial and see my position.
40:17Because, let's repeat, this strange image gets across that I'm the only one condemned.
40:23I'm definitely the only one condemned.
40:26But they try to make it seem like he's also the guilty one.
40:29When in reality it is not so.
40:30It's not like that, first of all because my conscience says so.
40:34That is, you were convicted in conjunction with two individuals who are now free.
40:41Because if you go and read my sentence, and I repeat, everyone should have the courage to read my sentence,
40:48there are names and surnames.
40:51And therefore convicted in competition as a minority competitor.
40:57So at this point I fought to say
41:01but excuse me, if two subjects are free, what could I have done?
41:06Unfortunately, I was not granted this.
41:08And unfortunately once the Court of Cassation put an end to this discussion,
41:15it would be necessary that...
41:16There's nothing left to do.
41:17It would be necessary for the two subjects to confess what they did.
41:32I have two more questions for you and then I'll leave you.
41:36And these are two questions that concern, let's say, the mechanics of what happened that evening.
41:43So, do you go to the bathroom from Meredith's room or from the kitchen?
41:50Where do you go to the bathroom from?
41:51From the kitchen living room.
41:52From the living room kitchen to the bathroom.
41:56Stay, before you hear that scream, stay in the bathroom how long?
41:59A few minutes?
42:02It will be two, almost three minutes.
42:05Three minutes.
42:05Taking into account the tempo of the music I was listening to.
42:08Perfect.
42:08At that moment, there was no one in the house, apart from you and Meredith.
42:11It will be no one when I went to the bathroom.
42:13So, what do you think?
42:15I mean, what could have happened in those three minutes?
42:18These two people, a man and a woman, come into the house and kill Meredith, essentially.
42:26No?
42:26I mean, it's a thing...
42:27For what reason?
42:28That is, this sudden violence over the course of two, three minutes and then this escape.
42:35I mean, what is supposed to have happened in your head?
42:39Well, let's say two or three minutes maybe not.
42:43But there are also five, it doesn't matter.
42:44Yes, no, no, because I always take into account the songs I've listened to as references.
42:49Certain.
42:49And on average...
42:50Did you say three songs?
42:52Three songs.
42:52So let's talk, a song, if I'm not mistaken the first one was by Lil Wayne, it lasts more or less three minutes
42:59'about.
43:00Let's say seven, eight minutes.
43:01Okay.
43:01If it's seven, eight minutes, you're in the bathroom.
43:05You left Meredith in the living room kitchen, but then you find her stabbed in bed.
43:11And these two people should have walked in and something terrible should have happened.
43:20immediately to unleash this fury which then, let's say, expressed itself with stabbings
43:29who left her near death and then she bled to death.
43:33That is, what could have happened to cause such a sudden
43:39reaction of this kind?
43:40Didn't you ask yourself that?
43:42So, I've definitely wondered that.
43:44That is, either I have long since decided that I have to kill her and then any moment can be good,
43:52or if I don't come with the idea that I have to kill a person, something must happen
44:00because I react that way.
44:02Something must happen and we should look at the psychology of the individual.
44:06This is the answer I can give you and obviously I can't give you a frame of
44:13that moment.
44:14You don't know if Meredito had had relations with Amanda and Raffaele Sollecito?
44:19Look, I don't know this and I don't even want to go into reconstructions.
44:25imaginative.
44:26No, if you don't know, you don't actually have to reconstruct.
44:28But in fact I have tried all these years not to even do it, while other subjects have
44:34I've made imaginative reconstructions, but that's not my case.
44:38But you know, the problem is that since there are three of you and you are the only one who ultimately has to…
44:47ask these questions.
44:48No, no, absolutely not, but I do them to you.
44:51No, no, the fact is that if, you see, this is the problem, I am not and I am not
44:59I don't even want to try to convince people, but to stay true to my story and the
45:05my story is what I lived and what I tried to make people understand
45:11a courtroom.
45:12Then I was not believed, ok, I regret this, but I can't do more, I can't
45:20to build, to fantasize.
45:2116 years is a regret.
45:22No, I mean, I'm angry inside, but what can I do?
45:27Now make imaginative constructions about what could have happened?
45:32No, that evening I experienced that and that's what I saw and that's what I'm describing.
45:36I didn't ask you this question to get a fanciful reconstruction, but to try
45:42to understand if you had some details, some confidences, you knew something more
45:48that could explain this plaster that wears away in a few minutes?
45:52Well, this should be asked to the people who created that situation, according to
45:58me.
45:58You leave Meredith in the living room/kitchen before going to the bathroom and she's dressed?
46:04Yes, yes, she's dressed.
46:06And then you find her stabbed, bloody, dying, stripped?
46:12No, always dressed.
46:13Always dressed?
46:14Yes.
46:15That is, there was no difference in her clothing between how you left her and how
46:21did you find it?
46:22Absolutely, in the sense that the fact that they then find her undressed with the mattress on top
46:30and with the scene with the duvet on top, it is clear that there was an interaction between some subject,
46:40of a subject, of two subjects, unknown to me.
46:43The ones you say you saw, in short.
46:45Yes, yes, unknown to me.
46:45Well no, not unknown, one is said to be Amanda.
46:47No, yes, but in the sense that after that thing was done and going to see the investigators had
46:56all the means to find out who created it, as well as many other situations that are
47:01they are created, for example, of broken glass, that is...
47:05You have, you had seen those two cell phones that were then found in the morning, after you have them
47:10seen at home?
47:12No.
47:12Don't you know who threw them in the garden next door?
47:15Absolutely, absolutely.
47:18This was done later, after I had already left that house, so it is evident.
47:26that someone came and interacted in that room and in that house.
47:31Either he took them away immediately as he ran away or he came back to get them and then threw them away.
47:36Absolutely, those are the hypotheses.
47:41The new appeal in 2013 returns to the guilty verdict for Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda
47:49Nox, but the 2014 appeal to the Supreme Court definitively exonerates them.
47:55Only Rudy Guede was convicted of complicity in murder.
48:00It is a sentence that states, and I read,
48:03in the face of missing, insufficient or contradictory evidence, the judge must limit himself
48:11to take note of it and issue a sentence of acquittal, even if motivated by authentic
48:19moral conviction of the defendant's guilt.
48:24There remain many open questions and many gaps in the protagonists' stories.
48:31A broken life remains, that of Meredith Kercher, killed at the age of 21 in her home in Perugia,
48:38in his room, in Via della Pergola.
48:41And there are, evidently, if there is a conspiracy, other culprits still around.
48:47It's a mystery, we've said it from the beginning, which from our point of view is still open.
48:54We made this reconstruction on the very anniversary, 15 years after that crime.
49:00which sparked the interest of the press, television, Mezzomondo,
49:06because it seemed right to us to retrace that story, because we were able to listen to Rudy Guede after he left prison
49:15and because this is our way of telling the news, always trying not to forget
49:23even the contradictory aspects of those stories that seem absolutely closed and concluded forever.
49:29Good night.
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