Quando la sera del 31 ottobre 1991 Rosa Daleno annuncia al compagno la fine della loro relazione, lui la uccide a coltellate. Tre anni dopo Massimo Anastasi è convinto che la donna sia ancora viva e chiede la riapertura della tomba. Dal carcere di Rebibbia, la parabola di un uomo alla disperata ricerca di un riscatto spirituale.
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00:00She calls it a crime of passion, so there is a story behind this crime.
00:06So, in short, behind every event there is something that produces it and somehow explains it.
00:15Here, explain to me what this story of yours is.
00:19This is my crime of passion, it is not the crime of passion.
00:23This is the crime of passion within my path for sure,
00:26it has its own reason, its own logic, but which clearly cannot be the same as another crime of passion.
00:33In my journey, that is, crime of passion means seeking harmony.
01:23In my path, that is, the crime of passion.
01:42Thirty stab wounds, delivered with passion and fury.
01:47It ends like this, on November 1st 1991, in an apartment in Tiburtino,
01:52an old neighborhood on the outskirts of Rome, the disturbing story of love, sex and jealousy,
01:58in which Rosa loses her life... 34 years old, originally from Barletta, employed by the state railways.
02:05The one who killed her was her partner, Massimo Anastasi, 41 years old, also a railway worker,
02:10attentive follower of Indian philosophies.
02:13Between the two, a passionate and turbulent love story,
02:17to which not even the birth of a child can provide the essential balance.
02:22A cohabitation that lasted eight years, in a continuous oscillation between the desire for normality
02:27and sexual transgressions that unite Massimo and Rosa in a particular complicity,
02:32to then divide them in the torment of jealousy.
02:35It is a note found by Anastasi in the woman's bag a few weeks before the crime.
02:41to start the killing spree.
02:44A new pen to write a new life, I hope with me.
02:50Sibylline words from a colleague of Rosa's,
02:53but enough to convince the railway worker that his partner has a lover and wants to leave him.
02:58But did she love Rosa?
03:01Yes, obviously, because I believe that when someone manages to ruin their own life,
03:07to ruin one's life, in this way, evidently, on the other side,
03:12because generally if I had not loved the lady of the office,
03:15I probably wouldn't have even killed her, because you kill what you love, right?
03:20The night of October 31st, the tragedy.
03:23While the child rests in his room, Anastasi grabs a kitchen knife,
03:28he returns to the master bedroom and strikes his partner so violently that the blade breaks.
03:34Rosa tries to escape towards the door that leads to the full and broken one,
03:37but the man grabs her and finishes her off with a second knife.
03:42A few hours later, Massimo Anastasi was stopped by the Carabinieri of Gualdo Tadino,
03:47as he tries to take the child to his mother's house.
03:50"He wanted to take my child away from me, I acted in a state of shock,"
03:54he will declare later to the magistrate.
03:56But the dramatic turn of events takes place in the courtroom of the Assize Court.
03:59which gives an unexpected twist to the process.
04:02“Rosa is alive,” the man claims.
04:04«Open the tomb of Barletta and you will see that it is empty».
04:07Four expert reports have diagnosed Massimo Anastasi
04:10a paranoid personality disorder
04:13which would have reduced his capacity to understand and to want at the time of the crime.
04:17The Assize Court rejected the theory of semi-infirmity
04:21and, identifying jealousy as the motive for the crime,
04:25sentenced Massimo Anastasi to 19 years in prison for voluntary homicide.
04:30Sentence later confirmed by the Court of Appeal.
04:34Massimo Anastasi is currently imprisoned in Repibbia prison.
05:06Massimo Anastasi is currently imprisoned in Repibbia prison.
05:12Mrs. Anastasi, you once said
05:14"I'm in prison because I killed my love."
05:18What can drive a man to destroy what he loves?
05:26First of all, we should understand what a man is.
05:31Then I think it's the same force, the same push
05:34which somehow pushes a man to try to climb an 8,000 meter peak
05:40or cross an ocean alone.
05:45It's a force that lies within us,
05:49which pushes to seek some harmony of its own
05:52and that not finding it in reality,
05:57in the experience he is living at that moment,
06:02then at that moment something happens, something breaks
06:05and there is this drive to overcome,
06:08in search of something beyond,
06:11which instead seems to be somehow prevented
06:13from the situation that is occurring at that moment.
06:15It's like a wall that prevents you from seeing the light on the other side
06:18and that suddenly a force is within himself
06:20who tries to break down that wall to create harmony.
06:24Yes, but behind every crime there is the story of a man.
06:28Well, I would like to talk a little about his story,
06:31her path, because she was a railway worker,
06:34he was a train conductor,
06:36but he was a rather unusual railway worker,
06:39let's say, with Nietzsche under his arm.
06:41But why did you choose to become a railway worker?
06:47Now here is the problem of Nietzsche, for example,
06:49It's a problem I faced later in prison,
06:51because I never realized I was turning
06:53both with Nietzsche under the arm,
06:55but also with the Corriere della Sera.
06:57And these two things are incompatible with Nietzsche.
07:00So I was actually a false reader of Nietzsche.
07:08I had, I believe, a strong sin of presumption,
07:13because I thought, somehow,
07:15to be both a good engineer
07:17what a good dad,
07:20a good companion to my women.
07:22But then I realized in prison
07:23that this awareness that has suddenly matured,
07:26he realized that I was the exact opposite
07:29at that moment.
07:30I was in completely unrealistic positions
07:37compared to what was happening around me.
07:39She told me that I was a false reader of Nietzsche,
07:42but she was a real railway worker.
07:44This is what I want to ask.
07:45Did she like the work she did?
07:46Yes, certainly.
07:47Did she like it?
07:48So he chose it with...
07:50The problem of choosing a job here is a problem...
07:52it happened, it fell.
07:53He fell.
07:54Also because his intellectual and personal path,
07:58it seems to follow the typical patterns
08:01of a certain youth of '68.
08:04In short, she's almost textbook.
08:06She enrolled in the faculty of architecture,
08:08then there is the political commitment in the extra-parliamentary area,
08:12then the membership in the League for Human Rights,
08:14I'm right,
08:15then the discovery of Eastern philosophies
08:17with the inevitable trip to India.
08:20What were you looking for in India?
08:26What are you looking for in India?
08:28What was she looking for?
08:30I was looking for that harmony, obviously,
08:31that I couldn't find inside myself.
08:34And so I tried to calm down,
08:38somehow,
08:39that sense of...
08:42a search that is within oneself,
08:44to try to see,
08:46to see better,
08:46to try to understand what is happening,
08:48why we are here, where we come from, where we are going.
08:52The problem is what to find, what.
08:54And what did you find?
08:57He found someone who I think he has,
08:59somehow, in advance,
09:02if what is happening right now was understood.
09:04That is, unlike a certain type of attitude,
09:15which is such a critical, but not constructive, attitude,
09:21instead the problem had been raised of working to overcome that crisis,
09:26practically.
09:27And so this is my path.
09:29This thought fascinated me somehow,
09:31that is, to work concretely, to do something seriously,
09:35and to see, somehow, what it was,
09:37if there was a possibility of a solution.
09:40There is rather a contact, somehow,
09:44that is, with a person who lived in India.
09:47What's his name?
09:48The Sea.
09:49And that, like this,
09:55he worked,
09:56she had a particular experience about herself.
10:01He tried, with a yoga technique,
10:05of yoga concentration,
10:09to overcome, in some way,
10:11through a very complex path,
10:17to overcome death,
10:18through a cellular mutation.
10:21Was this experience significant for me?
10:23I would say yes, because I worked on it for many years,
10:25and so I think we are never at the final moment.
10:29When did he work on it?
10:30Before going or after?
10:32Since I've been in India,
10:33so I met this French researcher.
10:36This, are you giving it to me as a given?
10:38I don't know who he is.
10:39Why?
10:41Who is this researcher?
10:43Lamer is a name that is not very important.
10:47No, it is.
10:49And so she basically gives this contact
10:52with this researcher,
10:53this Lamer,
10:55who was a follower of a philosopher himself...
10:58She was the companion of an Indian philosopher,
11:00who was a shero bindo.
11:01Shero bindo.
11:02Here, and she was deeply affected by this...
11:05I would say yes,
11:06I think the reason we are here
11:10It is linked to this type of experience.
11:14So when she came back from India,
11:18she was already a railway worker, right?
11:19He had already entered the railway.
11:21Yes, I had already entered the railway.
11:22And then he continued these interests of his
11:25for Indian philosophy.
11:26It seems to me that he has left a bit behind.
11:28No, it's always been consistent.
11:30Why not...
11:35once chosen as a path,
11:40it's a path that isn't necessary
11:44in the presence of a guide.
11:48A guide is a very particular yoga,
11:51a comprehensive yoga.
11:53So we hire in the theater,
11:57at the work camp,
11:59everything that happens.
11:59About this existential path of his,
12:03I read this statement of yours.
12:05Mine has been a continuous search for the truth.
12:08First with the phase of disorder.
12:11Then, after entering the railway,
12:14with the phase of regularity.
12:16Here, I want to understand
12:17what do you mean by regular and irregular.
12:32let's say that a balanced life
12:40It is somehow the basis of yoga.
12:43But at the same time my life was very vital,
12:47I was very full of a great charge of vitality
12:50and then suddenly this charge
12:52it has somewhat subsided.
12:53So at that stage then
12:55where I started to realize
12:57more than it was useless to get agitated outside.
13:02The problem was instead
13:03a moderation problem,
13:05to understand what was happening
13:06before acting.
13:07That we really get caught
13:10from the desire to do
13:12without knowing instead that maybe
13:14then we touch something
13:15who perhaps didn't want the punishment
13:16not even be touched
13:17that was the right place.
13:18And vice versa.
13:18and so these two phases
13:21that is, they partly mark my life
13:22and my path.
13:24Then he met Rosa P***o.
13:27So how did Rosa meet her?
13:30I met her on the train
13:33on Rome Neptune
13:35a February 12th
13:36that it was my birthday.
13:40So when I saw her
13:41something happened
13:43and then I worried about chasing her
13:46and so it went.
13:48Why on the train?
13:49Why what did Rosa do?
13:50The presenter, I would say.
13:52She said I chased her
13:53here but what did it do?
13:55of this woman above all?
14:05Very complicated question.
14:06No, a very simple question.
14:09I do not know
14:09in the sense that we don't know
14:11what is it that drives us
14:14it can be beauty
14:15can be...
14:17Was she beautiful?
14:18Yes, in my opinion yes
14:19she was very pretty.
14:21Is that what you liked?
14:23Temperament?
14:24No, in my opinion then
14:24it's very out
14:25but I don't know the first moment
14:26that is the meaning that in my opinion
14:27us when
14:29we work by instinct
14:30but absolutely
14:31it's not a problem
14:32the problem is that
14:33we meet thousands of people
14:35millions of people
14:35and then suddenly
14:36we feel attracted
14:37from that person
14:37so it's a...
14:39it's something that happens inside
14:41it doesn't happen outside
14:42there too
14:42it can be beautiful
14:44it can also be ugly
14:45it's not a problem.
14:47Then you went to live together?
14:48Then you went to live together?
14:50Quite early compared to...
14:51Right away
14:51Right away?
14:52Let's say within 15-20 days
14:54she was supposed to get married
14:55he abandoned
14:57he left
14:57this boy
14:58that of the other
14:59he already had
15:00took house
15:01and he had already arranged everything
15:03and then instead
15:04I
15:04I left
15:06a house that I have outside
15:07with a girl
15:09with whom I have been living for 5 years
15:11and then we immediately got together
15:14With what projects?
15:16I plan to get married
15:17etc. etc.
15:19put up
15:22a chick farm
15:24etc.
15:25Well because in this regard
15:27I would like to read them
15:28a passage from the diary
15:29of the lady
15:30which talks about the first phase
15:33of your relationship
15:34My relationship
15:36it has never been
15:37completely happy
15:38if not in the early days
15:39when still
15:40not knowing Massimo
15:42I trusted
15:43of his promises
15:44made
15:45from day one
15:46that we met
15:47which were
15:49marriage
15:50a jointly owned house
15:52and a son
15:53She then kept them
15:55these promises?
15:56None
15:56I do not
15:57while tea is pink
15:59all
16:00None why?
16:10But it's a question
16:11that I made myself
16:13and that I had
16:13very good time
16:14to make me
16:15these questions
16:15they've all done it
16:17even without savings
16:19Here I want to read them
16:21Still
16:22some songs
16:23significant
16:24from Rosa's diary
16:25My goal
16:27is to marry me
16:28it doesn't matter if it's not in church
16:30it's also fine in common
16:31with a dick
16:32who brings us the rings
16:33on a blue velvet cushion
16:34while Massimo
16:36I'm wearing a dark jacket
16:37and a bow tie
16:38and I
16:39with very sheer stockings
16:40a pair of red shoes
16:41and a half bunch of little flowers
16:43colorful in your hands
16:45wrapped in a suit
16:46very close-fitting
16:47fiery red
16:48burning like life
16:50like passion
16:51strong emotions
16:52if he doesn't want it to be that way
16:54it's a sign
16:55who doesn't love me enough
16:56but did she love Rosa?
16:58Yes
17:00evidently
17:01I believe that when one
17:04he manages to ruin himself
17:05one's own life
17:06to ruin one's life
17:07in this way
17:08evidently
17:09on the other side
17:09because generally
17:11if
17:12I hadn't loved
17:13the lady
17:13probably
17:14I wouldn't have killed her either
17:15Why
17:15one kills
17:16what he loves
17:18No?
17:19and then
17:21the problem
17:22Instead
17:22it's still here
17:23again
17:24This
17:25among other things
17:26it's a diary sheet
17:27Beautiful
17:28Truly
17:29very nice
17:30very nice
17:31very strong
17:32and then
17:33here too
17:33Meaning what
17:34Not
17:35the listener
17:37that somehow
17:37law
17:38this
17:39who feels
17:40this song
17:42Then
17:42Not
17:43does not display
17:45actually
17:45the other aspect
17:46the other song
17:48that isn't there
17:48which is that
17:49of family emenagement
17:50Meaning what
17:52at the same time
17:52while the lady
17:53where you go
17:54these things
17:55extraordinary
17:56then on the other side
17:56there was a behavior
17:57somehow
17:59on the contrary
17:59that is, he did it in a way
18:00such as not to
18:01to get married
18:02not to concentrate
18:03on this fact
18:04this is an element
18:05so that
18:06I know
18:07and that returns
18:07inside me
18:08which I was looking for
18:08to give an explanation
18:09then inside me
18:10but also
18:10everything he finds
18:12then its meaning
18:13his logic
18:13it's a fact
18:16Then
18:17accomplished
18:18that is, that goes
18:18beyond
18:19of reading
18:20she at the trial
18:22he spoke
18:24of a sexuality
18:27particularly
18:28lit
18:28of Rosa
18:29Here you are
18:30I would like
18:31remind her of something
18:32that she always
18:33at the trial
18:33he said
18:34this sexuality of his
18:36in part
18:37it attracted me
18:38and in part
18:39he rejected me
18:40is that so?
18:43Yes
18:44Certain
18:44from an emotional point of view
18:46somehow
18:47attracted
18:48from this
18:51Force
18:52of nature
18:52for the other part
18:53instead he feels
18:54That
18:57maybe it would be
18:58the case
18:58to overcome it
18:58why do we say
18:59that in us
19:00there is this
19:01conflict
19:02he feels that
19:03it's a
19:04Force
19:05that in all things I submit
19:06Not
19:09And
19:09the obstacle
19:11in all humility
19:11to a life
19:12more serene
19:13wider
19:14more real
19:16and precisely
19:17this relationship
19:19this thing
19:20this sexuality
19:22strong
19:22That
19:24it worked
19:25the glue
19:25among you
19:26Here you are
19:27but in your relationship
19:28to what extent
19:28did it influence?
19:36from my point of view
19:39I realize
19:40of the difficulties
19:40that there are
19:43to try to
19:45to make people understand
19:46what happened
19:48in my opinion
19:49and this is it
19:50the reason
19:50for which
19:53it becomes so difficult
19:55somehow
19:55enter
19:56in this interior
19:59the scene
20:00I had
20:01In my opinion
20:02a
20:05destiny
20:07and it was
20:08a task
20:09let's say
20:09that was that
20:10to get killed
20:11from a person
20:12who loved her
20:13then if
20:14I believe that
20:16it's not easy
20:17In my opinion
20:17manage to get killed
20:18from someone
20:19even if one
20:20he gives it his all
20:20which generally
20:21he can't do it
20:22then the problem
20:23it was instead
20:24in my way
20:25to think
20:26then we'll see
20:26how will it end
20:28but
20:29in this task
20:30in this his
20:31problem
20:32that she had
20:32the figure
20:35of the lady
20:35from**
20:36Meaning what
20:36what she
20:37he was doing
20:37it was somehow
20:40necessary
20:40for then
20:41arrive
20:42to die
20:44to be killed
20:45this is my logic
20:46listen can I ask
20:47because she says
20:48speaking about Rosa
20:49he always says
20:49Mrs. A**
20:50she was his companion
20:52because I think
20:53that you deserve
20:56this type
20:57Of
21:01distance
21:01of respect
21:02somehow
21:02of his figure
21:03female
21:03because she
21:05respect
21:06to a person
21:07the
21:08he dedicates it
21:09between abroad
21:10absolutely everything
21:11the fact of
21:12speak
21:12of Rosa
21:14in public
21:15this forces me
21:16according to Mrs. d'A**
21:16why Rosa
21:17it was for me
21:17but not for whom
21:18he listens to us
21:19it was the mother
21:20of his son
21:21precisely
21:22she defines it
21:24crime of passion
21:25Therefore
21:26there is a story
21:27behind this crime
21:28and then
21:29In short
21:30behind every
21:32event
21:33there is something
21:34which produces it
21:36and that somehow
21:37he explains it
21:38Here you are
21:38she explain to me
21:39what is this story of his?
21:45it's a story
21:46of an ordinary couple
21:47as
21:49many other couples
21:50that I am
21:50I think
21:52a very ordinary couple
21:54only that
21:57this couple
21:58something falls
21:59That
22:03allows
22:04somehow
22:04to read
22:05what instead
22:06it's not possible
22:07otherwise read
22:08he means
22:09In my opinion
22:10the right of passion
22:11it's a house
22:12a closed house
22:13which
22:15the spectator
22:16from outside
22:17can imagine
22:18the most things
22:20incredible
22:21what happens inside
22:22but that only
22:23when you enter inside
22:24we become aware
22:25instead it's a labyrinth
22:27a labyrinth
22:28no exit
22:28until today
22:29and that instead
22:30Today
22:30precisely because of his conditions
22:32that is, the moment in which it is born
22:33perhaps because of the characteristics
22:39somehow
22:39of its protagonists
22:41probably
22:42at this moment
22:44it is also possible to get out of it
22:46from this house
22:47this is my concept
22:49but she
22:49once again
22:51has
22:51let's say
22:52given
22:55Excuse me
22:56has
22:57piled up words
22:59on a concept
23:00that I can't
23:01to focus
23:03she talks to me
23:04he tells me
23:06I
23:07I committed
23:08a crime of passion
23:09our
23:09it was the story
23:11of an ordinary couple
23:13but
23:14from history
23:14of an ordinary couple
23:15in general
23:16is not born
23:18is not born
23:19a crime
23:19it's like this
23:20in the sense that
23:21it's true that it is like that
23:22she from outside
23:23that is, outside the law of passion
23:24what you read
23:25this is it
23:27she
23:28talking about this
23:29this story of yours
23:30as a couple
23:31he defined
23:31your relationship
23:32with the term open couple
23:34Here you are
23:35what kind of experiences
23:36concretely
23:37predicted
23:38this situation
23:40open couple
23:47total freedom
23:50in truth
23:52let's say so
23:53because I
23:54I want them
23:55remember
23:56one step
23:57of his
23:58of the deposition
23:59in court
23:59she said
24:01our history
24:01sexual
24:02had
24:03an evolution
24:03in five stages
24:04Before
24:05Pink united
24:06his pleasure
24:07to a series
24:07of fantasies
24:08Then
24:09I felt like
24:10forced
24:11to do
24:12the same ones
24:12fantasies
24:13to give her pleasure
24:15subsequently
24:15I accepted
24:16the game
24:16of relationships
24:17multiple
24:18at this point
24:19Rosa changes
24:20and says that
24:21he doesn't do it anymore
24:21the fantasies
24:22while I
24:23I keep doing it
24:24lastly
24:25Rose
24:26realizes
24:27the fantasies
24:27with the lover
24:28Here you are
24:29this seems to me
24:29a summary
24:31shiny
24:31and enough
24:32precise
24:33of what it was
24:34your relationship
24:35do you remember it?
24:36this is in court
24:36I don't remember it
24:37this is his deposition
24:38that I
24:39I drew
24:39from the minutes
24:40of the process
24:42I would like
24:43analyze it with her
24:44for example
24:44she spoke
24:45of fantasies
24:45of Rosa
24:46Rosa was a woman
24:47of fantasy?
24:48Yes
24:48many
24:49Here you are
24:49it's a fantasy
24:50even sexual
24:51Therefore
24:53fantasy?
24:54all the fantasies
24:55it wasn't just
24:56of fantasy
24:57sexual
24:57she was imaginative
24:58just as a person
24:59in the sense
24:59which was
25:00a great creativity
25:02she is a woman
25:03very creative
25:04and then
25:04he was returning
25:05in this sphere
25:06and also poured
25:06in the sphere
25:07of sex
25:07also evidently
25:08because the sphere of sex
25:09it is not separate
25:09from the other spheres
25:10of being
25:12Well
25:12it's a sphere
25:13quite important
25:14in a relationship
25:15it's a very important sphere
25:16which is becoming increasingly important
25:17right now at this moment
25:18in the sense that
25:19at the moment in which
25:20it is desublimating
25:22somehow
25:22we are witnessing a desublimation
25:24Meaning what
25:26I think I said
25:27very clearly
25:27one thing in court
25:28Meaning what
25:29I said that
25:31everything that is produced
25:32at this moment
25:35comes from Hollywood
25:36or with stamps
25:37of the CIA
25:38or it is produced
25:39from a market
25:40that is, then
25:40to let fall back
25:41this image
25:42of perversion
25:43or of horror
25:44on the individual
25:45which evidently
25:46he uses it
25:46it's a thing
25:47very incorrect
25:48from the point of view
25:49it seems to me
25:51rational
25:52in the sense
25:52that there is a market
25:53and this market
25:54of the market
25:55of pornography
25:55I speak
25:56of the market
25:57of liberation
25:58of sexuality
25:58that is, in my opinion
25:59there is a market
26:00that is, in which
26:01sexual freedom
26:03it comes somehow
26:05made to consume
26:06At that time
26:06to know
26:07this market
26:08and to pass in front of us
26:10there are two possibilities
26:11that is, one closes
26:12in the convent
26:13and at this point
26:14the problem
26:14it does not arise
26:15or instead
26:16one faces it
26:17to overcome it
26:18and so he knows it
26:19because otherwise
26:19if one doesn't know it
26:20he doesn't face it
26:20but it wasn't for us
26:22for us it was a land
26:24of experiences
26:24it wasn't a land
26:26somehow
26:27to cultivate
26:27or to plow
26:29because if it had been
26:30this is the reason
26:31of our research
26:33would always be missing
26:34the murder
26:35who was the force
26:36between the two?
26:37Which of the two was it?
26:38it was a couple
26:38it was a couple
26:39it was a couple
26:41in the sense that
26:41if it wasn't there
26:48the dynamics
26:50when it triggers
26:51I'm never an idea
26:52because if it had been
26:53a dynamic
26:54individual
26:55we wouldn't have been there
26:55not even tied together
26:56it was a push
26:58to search
26:59to see
26:59to cross
27:00lands like this
27:01that were there
27:03and then one goes through them
27:04he looks at them
27:05and then at a certain point
27:06then one must draw
27:07their own conclusions
27:08evidently
27:09they didn't satisfy us
27:10it was like
27:14any kind
27:15of experience
27:15At that time
27:17In my opinion
27:18it's a bit silly
27:19that of repressing oneself
27:20without going to snoop
27:22that is, curiosity
27:22In my opinion
27:23it's such an element
27:25strong
27:25that is, of growth
27:26At that time
27:27it is with this aspect
27:30with this eye
27:30that maybe
27:31we got closer
27:31on this ground
27:32so it seems
27:33so hot
27:34but also to overcome it
27:35that is, not to stay
27:37somehow
27:37it was a game
27:38a game
27:39a little high risk
27:40it was a game
27:42at risk
27:42Anyway
27:43a risky game
27:44In my opinion
27:45it's a game after
27:47anyway anyway
27:48the land was
27:49a minefield
27:50almost as if she
27:51in conclusion
27:52had been dragged
27:53on a piece of land
27:54that wasn't hers
27:56own
27:58that not
27:58that not
27:58that didn't belong to her
28:04Me too
28:05I have to tell you clearly
28:06that I don't agree with
28:07on this cut
28:07of interview
28:11I am sorry
28:12I am sorry
28:16we don't come from anyone
28:18I'm the one saying it
28:22crystallization of thought
28:23why this
28:24on the taken
28:25it's a little warmer
28:26it is extremely difficult
28:27to open a breach
28:28on this kind of thinking
28:30these difficult people
28:33automatically
28:33they said
28:33that death returns
28:35and I am
28:36absolutely
28:36they have one side
28:37of childhood
28:38it's a thing
28:39that doesn't touch you
28:39it doesn't touch you
28:40but he doesn't look at you
28:42first of all
28:48as far as
28:51my position
28:52and the topic
28:52allow it
28:54I would like to try
28:55to stramatize
28:56telling a story
28:57that fell on me
28:58here in Ribibia
28:58some time ago
28:59in the morning
29:00I was in the air
29:02when he approached
29:03a Neapolitan
29:04one of those Neapolitans
29:06true
29:06who live in the slums
29:07and that they always have
29:08many problems
29:10but
29:11perhaps precisely for this reason
29:12they have
29:13preserved
29:14a dowry
29:14a useful time
29:17curiosity
29:18At that time
29:21he got closer
29:22and he told me
29:22the profession
29:24but how does he do it?
29:24that one came out
29:25alive from the grave
29:26she's not Jesus Christ
29:28because I said
29:29but
29:29aside from the fact
29:30that my name is
29:30in a completely different way
29:31and then
29:32Unfortunately
29:32I do not have
29:33such a gift
29:35extraordinary
29:35to be reborn
29:36the people
29:37I say
29:38tell me something
29:38I say
29:39assuming that
29:40a man like that
29:40one day you'll come back
29:41on the face of the earth
29:42but
29:43what should he do
29:44what should it say
29:46as you imagine it
29:48then he
29:50he thought about it
29:51in a moment
29:51but he was very prompt
29:52why did he say
29:54November 2nd
29:57should
29:57go to a cemetery
29:58all dressed in white
30:00with a tunic
30:01up to the feet
30:03and in front of everyone
30:04in front of a tomb
30:05and say
30:06rise again
30:06and that one rises again
30:08because then there was
30:08a comment
30:09of a friend
30:10it is said that it is done
30:10but with all the little lights
30:11lit
30:12around the head
30:13Here you are
30:14maybe this is one way
30:15it is not
30:16an image
30:17with which
30:18our mind
30:18try to translate
30:19something that surpasses it
30:23Here you are
30:23I would like to know more
30:24a moment
30:24this point
30:25she
30:27in the course
30:28let's say so
30:29of the process
30:31has
30:34suddenly
30:34in a certain sense
30:35given a
30:37a turning point
30:38Also
30:39to his
30:39line
30:41she said
30:44what he said
30:45she wants to tell me
30:45or I'll remind him
30:46the tomb
30:48it's empty
30:49I told him
30:50I am
30:50me and the
30:51we are two researchers
30:52spiritual
30:53Perletta's tomb
30:55it's empty
30:56and the lady
30:57she's alive
30:58Instead
30:58in position
30:59of waiting
31:00in a tomb
31:01in Pondicerì
31:03on the Saturday
31:03of Pondicerì
31:04this is what I said
31:05me in court
31:06what answers
31:07had
31:08it was said
31:09which is
31:10influential
31:11That
31:12a victim
31:13Therefore
31:14in a process
31:15for murder
31:16both alive
31:17because she claims
31:18that Rosa is alive
31:19that she is not dead
31:21I said
31:22that there was
31:24the right of passion
31:25and this passionate right
31:26as it is inserted
31:27in a field
31:27of research
31:28particular
31:29so on which
31:31I was focused
31:32let's say
31:33on a goal
31:34which clearly
31:34it wasn't a crime of passion
31:35but which turned out to be
31:36as such
31:36and then
31:38the crime of passion
31:39it turned out
31:39immediately after
31:40that the fact
31:41it turned out
31:42instead as
31:43an element
31:44let's say so
31:45a final element
31:46terminal
31:46For
31:49close
31:50what it was
31:51the work
31:51started by Mera
31:52in India
31:55Here you are
31:55but this work
31:56she
31:57he wants it from me
32:00explain
32:00what kind of research
32:02and what it should bring
32:03has a purpose
32:04to this job
32:04Certain
32:06and what would it be
32:07it's about
32:08to defeat me
32:10to overcome death
32:11Here you are
32:12that is Rosa
32:12practically
32:13there is no
32:13it's not empty
32:14the tomb
32:15listen
32:16Anastasi
32:17Rose
32:22she defined it for me
32:25a superconsciousness
32:26in one circumstance
32:27where we talked to each other
32:28in short she said
32:29Pink currently
32:30it's a superconsciousness
32:32am I right?
32:35Here you are
32:36this superconsciousness
32:37is embodied
32:39in a body
32:40or
32:41a physical manifestation
32:45Therefore
32:46in a sense
32:47that can be seen
32:48and touch
32:48Here you are
32:49but she
32:50she would be
32:51in Auroville
32:52it would be in Pondicerina
32:54to the taste of Pondicerina
32:55and what would it be like
32:55transmigrated
32:57from
32:57let's say
32:58the tomb of Barletta
32:59where she was buried
33:00in Auroville
33:01this is not
33:05there is no possibility
33:06to answer
33:08to this question
33:09in the sense that
33:09it is not
33:11a chemical reaction
33:12we know that chemical reactions
33:14they happen
33:14if mixing together
33:15two elements
33:16then if suddenly
33:17let's also make a scientist
33:19how it happens
33:20how come that
33:21H2O
33:22it becomes water
33:24that is, how it happens
33:24just practically
33:25physically
33:26what are the mechanisms
33:27where this happens
33:28there will never be an answer
33:29from this
33:30but she says
33:31Rosa is in the grave
33:32in Pondicerina
33:33which was a tomb
33:34prepared for her
33:35why in that tomb?
33:37why in that tomb
33:38the mayor
33:40was continuing
33:41his work
33:41jocic
33:42in the tomb
33:43in the tomb
33:43in the tomb
33:44where is Rosa now?
33:46and there would be
33:47a cohabitation
33:48between Rosa and Rosa?
33:48no cohabitation
33:49she is the mayor
33:50who took over
33:50once overcome
33:52death
33:53somehow
33:55he took over instead
33:56physical appearance
33:57of the lady
33:58so here it is
34:01opening
34:02the tomb of Barletta
34:03she would find it
34:04completely empty?
34:06there wouldn't be
34:07nothing else
34:08in the grave?
34:08Nothing?
34:09they are other objects
34:10some objects?
34:11what objects?
34:12objects
34:13but objects
34:14placed by whom then?
34:16that remained
34:17In the
34:17in the work of transformation
34:22but they were
34:24they belonged to Rosa
34:25or were
34:26an emanation
34:27the matter
34:28with which
34:29we are composed
34:30it's the same matter
34:30of the universe
34:31Therefore
34:36it's a known fact
34:37at this point
34:38by some
34:39millenni
34:40That
34:40with concentration
34:42yogic
34:43you can do it
34:43to materialize
34:44and to dematerialize
34:45the objects
34:46Therefore
34:48derived phenomena
34:48from this type of
34:49so objects
34:50that I could touch?
34:51Yes
34:52but do you know what nature they are?
34:54what things are they?
34:55Yes
34:55that should not be touched
34:56me already
34:57so I couldn't touch them?
34:58you can touch it
34:59in the sense that they can be touched
35:00but
35:00and why shouldn't I touch them?
35:02Why are they dangerous?
35:03Why
35:03there is a key
35:05of reading
35:06in this
35:06a key
35:07can you give it to me?
35:09explain?
35:14we left
35:15of the witnesses
35:15somehow
35:16in such a way
35:17That
35:17an opening
35:19occasional
35:20of the tomb
35:21can somehow
35:22impede
35:24That
35:25they are made
35:26manipulations
35:27she speaks in the plural
35:28we have it
35:29who do we have?
35:34when I talk about pink
35:35I'm talking about myself in pink
35:36if we can make a picture
35:39the sleeping princess
35:41this is an image
35:42that maybe
35:43like sleeping beauty
35:43in the woods
35:44which can give an idea
35:45Here you are
35:45but then for example
35:46she's from this one
35:47of this fairy tale
35:50he would be the prince
35:52who then goes to wake her up?
35:54more than the prince
35:55that goes to wake her up
35:55there is what you are looking for
35:56to do so
35:57that that lid
35:58which raised
35:59Yes
36:00I want to understand something
36:01she
36:03when it happened
36:04the tragedy
36:05he was aware
36:06what was happening?
36:08No
36:08I already said
36:09in court
36:11That
36:11he killed Rosa
36:15why did he kill her?
36:16because it was
36:17superimposed
36:18suddenly
36:18his behavior
36:19with
36:22something that instead
36:23it no longer matched
36:25with my
36:25in the sense that
36:27an overlap
36:28between what I
36:32I felt inside me
36:33and what
36:33the behavior
36:34of the lady
36:35then came a passage
36:37immediate
36:38at the moment in which
36:39I killed her
36:39what a Rosa
36:39he called me
36:40and he told me something
36:41that suddenly
36:42this something
36:43what Rosa said
36:44then suddenly
36:45he opened
36:46a glimmer of hope
36:46on what was
36:47my research
36:49that is, the moment in which
36:50while she was killing Rosa
36:51Rosa told her something
36:53before dying Rosa
36:54he called me
36:55and he told me
36:55of words
36:56that somehow
36:57at that moment
36:57those words
36:58they were somehow
36:59the spring
37:00which made me understand
37:02that the lady
37:03she had behaved
37:05in that certain way
37:06precisely because
37:06had built
37:07the murder
37:08Therefore
37:08he had done it in such a way
37:09to die for
37:10and be killed
37:11precisely
37:12to realize
37:12this condition
37:15he doesn't want to say it
37:16what he said
37:17No
37:17Why
37:19Why
37:22we entered
37:23in my bedroom
37:23but this instead
37:24he's out
37:25from my bedroom
37:26that is, it's a thing
37:27it's my experience
37:28Yes
37:29so she
37:30when he realized
37:31the moment he killed her
37:32the moment he killed her
37:33but why then
37:34when she was
37:36stopped
37:37from the police
37:38because after all
37:40moreover
37:40he killed her
37:41there was the child
37:43she
37:43I'm just special
37:45In short
37:45she had the child with her
37:46who was present at home
37:47when it occurred
37:48the tragedy
37:49she then
37:50he gave an explanation
37:51immediately
37:53different
37:53of his gesture
37:55In short
37:55she gave an explanation
37:56underground
37:58Certain
37:58tied up
37:59to his experience
38:01is that so?
38:02yes yes that's how it is
38:03but I couldn't
38:04that is because I didn't know
38:07not even exactly
38:08what would have happened
38:09in the sense that
38:10it is not
38:10there is a whole
38:12work that has been done
38:14a very complex job
38:16was it done by whom?
38:19from our type of yoga
38:21she doesn't think
38:22that he never thought
38:23that this could be
38:24a
38:26Like this
38:26a building
38:27comforting for her
38:28Meaning what
38:29the will
38:31to package
38:31a reality
38:32to escape
38:33to the ghosts
38:34of remorse
38:35it could very well be
38:35can be
38:36an eventuality
38:37well here it is
38:38she is so lucid
38:39to face the problem
38:40even in these terms
38:41Certain
38:42it's that simple
38:44that is, a gesture
38:44so simple
38:45so obvious
38:46which is to lift
38:47a lid
38:48so she
38:48what he asks
38:49it doesn't seem like it to me
38:50that there are problems
38:51on this
38:51she wants
38:51the reopening
38:52of yours
38:52Enough
38:53it ends there
38:53who is it that opposed?
38:55he opposed
38:56he opposed
38:57in part
38:57two forces
38:58let's say
38:59let's not say two people
39:00because it's not important
39:00Meaning what
39:01the state opposed it
39:02and then
39:03the family
39:03which are the two
39:04central rings
39:05somehow
39:06who govern
39:07at this moment
39:08her family
39:08Rosa's family
39:09Yes
39:11the state opposed
39:12why did he say
39:13no this tomb
39:14it doesn't reopen
39:15No
39:16no no no
39:17in my opinion then
39:18he also did a good job
39:19in the sense of the State
39:20Why?
39:20because in the moment
39:21in which he said
39:21it is irrelevant
39:22it means that
39:23it is irrelevant for him
39:25so it means
39:25who did not deny
39:27the possibility
39:28and then he opened
39:29even the street
39:29In my opinion
39:30why this tomb
39:31then one day it reopens
39:32And
39:33but
39:34it's not a given
39:35in the sense
39:35for me it is irrelevant
39:36so he did
39:37a correct operation
39:38from the point of view
39:40logical
39:40because she
39:41it seems to me that
39:41the process
39:43have even
39:44attempted
39:45a plea bargain
39:46with
39:46with
39:47with the court
39:49of assizes
39:50who judged her
39:50that is, she put
39:52on the table
39:53the possibility
39:54Of
39:56accept
39:56life imprisonment
39:58if the tomb
39:59I asked
40:00I asked
40:01the maximum penalty
40:02the maximum penalty
40:03as long as
40:04that it was reopened
40:06the tomb
40:07but she knows it
40:07that with justice
40:08there is no compromise
40:10In short
40:11but it's not a deal
40:12with justice
40:12because it seems to me
40:13that it is a pact
40:14that somehow
40:15should
40:16to make people rejoice
40:17a civil party
40:18a justice
40:18who then asked
40:19Anyway
40:20to be able to do the best
40:22Not
40:23Not
40:23Not
40:25I see
40:27Therefore
40:28Here you are
40:28faced with the fact
40:29That
40:29opening the tomb
40:31Here you are
40:31rose is there
40:32she
40:34as
40:34how would you deal with it?
40:35this evidence
40:39but it will be an experience
40:40to live
40:40we don't know
40:41what happens
40:41but what would happen
40:42I do not know
40:43I have no idea
40:44in the face of evidence
40:44that the body of rose
40:45it's there
40:46that is, I think
40:46that none of us
40:47if he asked me the question
40:48what's happening
40:49when I die
40:52what does he do
40:52law
40:53study
40:53how he experiences prison
41:00I don't live it
41:02I don't live it
41:05she told me
41:06That
41:08the prison
41:08it's a holiday
41:10and the holiday
41:10he conceived it
41:11like a prison
41:12if he remembers it
41:13Yes
41:13No
41:13it wasn't like that
41:15it wasn't
41:16she doesn't say it
41:16as
41:17it wasn't like that
41:17how it was
41:19I said that
41:21at this particular moment
41:22the prison
41:24is becoming
41:26a
41:28more and more
41:29a vacation spot
41:31a vacation spot
41:32that is, a place
41:33Very
41:33of recollection
41:35somehow
41:37I said that
41:37Why
41:44I made a speech
41:45I remember it
41:46but
41:47I said that
41:48on Playboy
41:49had appeared
41:50a
41:50a sort
41:53Of
41:53Of
41:54ladder
41:56asterisk
41:58with
41:58the prisons
41:59best known
42:00in the United States
42:00in which
42:01they enjoyed themselves
42:04they had a series
42:04of advantages
42:05and then
42:06he said that
42:07this way
42:08to go to prison
42:09which can be
42:11it should make you think
42:12Why
42:13not because
42:13it should be punitive
42:14but simply
42:15for the new function
42:16that the prison
42:16he took over
42:17within
42:17of our company
42:19That
42:21so this
42:22calls into question
42:23the crime
42:24the way of doing
42:25the crime
42:26and who produces it
42:26the crime
42:27who builds it
42:28through a series
42:29of laws
42:29etc.
42:29etc.
42:31I
42:32frank
42:32Unfortunately
42:33I believe
42:33That
42:33we can't
42:34do this interview
42:36we are doing
42:37such an interesting thing
42:38as you were saying
42:40I feel inside me
42:41that's not good
42:42but it's going so well
42:43No
42:43but we can't
42:44I realize
42:45it's my mistake
42:46I
42:46I apologize to everyone
42:47in the sense that
42:48I realized
42:49of the difficulty
42:50to translate
42:51what is a job
42:52so on for years and years
42:53in an interview
42:54it's an incredible thing
42:55but if things
42:56they don't start to be transmitted
42:58No
42:58I don't have to transmit anything
42:59there is only one problem
43:00open the tomb
43:00and I don't know if it opens or not
43:01I am not interested
43:02in the sense that it will open
43:03of strength
43:04but that's not the problem
43:05it will open by force
43:06how it will forcefully open
43:08of strength
43:09it will eventually become
43:10the unsustainable situation
43:11for which
43:12the tomb opens
43:13there is no problem
43:16you said some things
43:17ninth
43:18I didn't say anything
43:18of course
43:19No
43:19why did I say it then
43:20bad
43:21nervous
43:22angry
43:22it doesn't make sense
43:23but it doesn't make sense
43:24in context
43:25in the purposes
43:25in which I propose myself
43:26which is the opening of the tomb
43:28Excuse me
43:28you said it so
43:29no no no
43:30he said it so
43:31so clearly
43:31I thought that
43:32she or you
43:33it was said in the informal form
43:34because there is no problem either
43:35that I was animated
43:37from curiosity
43:38but in fact
43:39I am full
43:39no you are not animated
43:39from curiosity
43:40and I thought that
43:41I had set the work
43:42on curiosity
43:43of the opening of the tomb
43:44unfortunately instead
43:44you are not animated
43:45from curiosity
43:46we are coming
43:47we are talking
43:47only of that
43:48no because all the work
43:49which has been prepared
43:50it was done in a certain way
43:51I really feel you
43:52I really feel you
43:52somewhere else
43:53there's nothing to do
43:54yes but
43:56inside you
43:57the spring didn't go off
43:58to understand that
43:59what happened
43:59within this process
44:01within which process?
44:02of my process
44:03if she doesn't come in
44:04in these contradictions here
44:05because the problem
44:05is that the tomb is closed
44:07remains closed
44:08for 14 months
44:08but for a number of reasons
44:09that is, it's not that the problem
44:10I can be crazy
44:11but even if I were crazy
44:13that is, a company
44:14who loves life
44:14the first thing
44:15which should
44:16or who loves justice
44:17the first thing
44:17what he should have done
44:18look stupid
44:19look you see it
44:20what you did
44:21this is the meaning
44:22of history
44:22what's behind it
44:23there is a crime
44:24there is a crime
44:25passionate
44:26that you want to talk to me about
44:26which you want to read
44:28you have to give it to me
44:29but you have to give it to me
44:30in the sense that
44:31it's your story
44:32Franca here I am
44:33she knows it better than me
44:34there are 5 psychiatric reports
44:36one different from the other
44:38What do these reports say?
44:39one that I'm stupid
44:40from birth
44:41and it's not possible
44:42because I drove
44:42for 20 years
44:43another says
44:44that I'm stupid
44:44at the time of the fact
44:45another one that I'm stupid
44:46instead I became
44:48after in prison
44:49then this
44:50it's the contradiction
44:51a moment
44:51but she first of all
44:52in the face of these expertises
44:54that four of which
44:56they thought
44:56that she
44:57in the act
44:58of the
44:58it was semi-still
45:00of mind
45:00and one says
45:01that she
45:01they are of the same mind
45:02what does she answer?
45:04it was raised
45:05in
45:07court
45:09from someone
45:11the fact that I
45:12I would be a follower
45:13of a
45:14pseudo philosophy
45:16or of a
45:16pseudo religion
45:17No
45:18Now
45:19the term pseudo
45:19means false
45:20so it would have been
45:21also very interesting
45:22know what they are
45:23true philosophies
45:27but definitely
45:28yoga
45:29why this
45:30it's about
45:30it's not a religion
45:32And
45:32all the more so since it isn't
45:35as it is not
45:36nor
45:37psychology
45:38or bodybuilding
45:39if then it is meant
45:40by religion
45:41to believe in something
45:42that it is true
45:43independently
45:44from the fact that it is
45:45so at this point
45:46It must be said here
45:47very clearly
45:48that among the many religions
45:50that man has
45:51somehow
45:52built to date
45:53has adventure to build
45:54psychiatry
45:55it is definitely
45:56among the last
45:58one of the most
45:59sneaky
46:00of the cruelest
46:01and the most malicious
46:03And
46:04if
46:05somehow
46:06so long as
46:07the results
46:08of psychiatry
46:09it's not the results
46:10of an exact science
46:11it's not that one does the analysis
46:12of the blood
46:12so it is very questionable
46:14so at this point
46:14if
46:15psychiatrists
46:16they are not clowns
46:17I probably am not
46:19I think they won't leave each other
46:20miss the opportunity
46:23being able to try
46:24for once
46:25in sensory experience
46:27their claims
46:27so at this point
46:29I expect that
46:31somehow
46:32their help
46:34for this type of research
46:37I have too
46:38a great deal of perplexity
46:39I am sorry
46:40a very large one
46:41doubts about this work
46:42I told her
46:43that this interview
46:45it's not necessary
46:46it seems like one thing to me
46:47very well done
46:48so it's no use at all
46:50I am sorry
46:50I am sorry
46:51I am sorry
46:52that made him waste his time
46:53and you were also rude
46:55but unfortunately
46:56it's like this
46:56I don't get it
46:59no kind of result
47:00it's no use
47:03we don't get
47:04nor you
47:05neither I
47:06we are on some positions
47:07opposed
47:09but
47:10Maximum
47:10the problem is this
47:11is that
47:12not a word is needed
47:13it's a limitation of mine
47:14it's not a limitation of the medium
47:15it's not about being
47:15on opposing positions
47:17it's about expressing
47:18what is one's own
47:19interiority
47:19what she feels
47:21And
47:22to envisage it
47:23to whoever listens to you
47:25and it seems to me
47:26that she did it
47:27with great
47:29logic
47:30No
47:31if there is something
47:32that she wants to say again
47:34in the most
47:34absolutely not
47:35it's no use
47:36it's no use
47:37I already said it
47:38I feel completely
47:43distant
47:51distant?
47:51the thing
48:03I followed your path
48:06I'll do the route for them
48:07for me
48:08I shouldn't have
48:10happen
48:11the second effect
48:21but Massimo
48:22maybe it's wrong with you
48:23it doesn't go inside me
48:24it's because I
48:25I tried
48:26Of
48:26I followed
48:28I don't care at all
48:30that is to me
48:30it's not that
48:31it's not that
48:31it's not that
48:31it's not that
48:31it's not that
48:32it's not that
48:32it's not that
48:33Marcuse
48:34in 1955
48:35Eros and civilization
48:38not those who die
48:40but those who die
48:43sooner than they should
48:44or want to die
48:48those
48:48who die in agony
48:50and among sufferings
48:52constitute the great act
48:53of accusation against civilization
48:55and they are also witnesses
48:57of guilt
48:58unforgivable
48:58of humanity
49:00their death
49:02creates the painful
49:04awareness
49:05that it was not necessary
49:07which could have been
49:09otherwise
49:11It seems to end here
49:14Anastasi
49:15the thought of these
49:16philosophers
49:17it works as a support
49:18to his convention
49:19philosophical
49:20which gives
49:21an interpretation
49:22specification
49:23to the crime of passion
49:26I already said
49:27even in court
49:28even though I said it
49:29quietly
49:31I said that
49:32the right of passion
49:33it's a demonstration
49:35of nature
49:36a product
49:37of nature
49:38like lightning
49:39like thunder
49:40and it's an attempt
49:42that life
49:43ago
49:44to solve
49:45an intimate of his
49:46internal
49:47contradiction
49:48otherwise
49:49unsolvable
49:50which is irrational
49:53unreadable
49:53with the dictionaries
49:54natally
49:55in use
49:56but I also said
49:57and also searched
49:58to demonstrate
49:58that the painting
50:00in which
50:00at this moment
50:01the right of passion
50:02is inserted
50:03it's a painting
50:05irrational
50:07let's say that
50:08the right of passion
50:09it's something that happens
50:10inside the man
50:10and that cannot be seen
50:12with the old tools
50:12with the old logic
50:14which instead was concerned
50:15of the outside
50:15so we are in a passage
50:16clean in a clean mess
50:18from a phase
50:19at a later stage
50:20which is completely new
50:21so coming back
50:22to the problem
50:24Rose Dall'A**
50:25is she alive?
50:28for me yes
50:30she is alive where
50:31right now?
50:33in Pondicerini
50:33in the Salmandy of Pondicerini
50:35Therefore
50:36the tomb
50:37in Berletta?
50:38Berletta's tomb
50:39in my opinion
50:40it's empty
50:46so empty
50:48That
50:51it seems like there isn't one
50:55the dullest idea
50:56to lift the lid
50:57and then
50:58and his request
51:01what is it specifically?
51:02that of opening the tomb
51:04to lift that lid
51:07we have to get to the bottom of things
51:09because also
51:10you have to get there
51:13Thank you
51:14Well
51:18Thank you
51:19Thank you
51:19Thank you
51:19Thank you all.
52:03Thank you all.
52:25Thank you all.
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