Protagonista della puntata un transessuale, Francisco Vecsley do Carmo, che dalle favelas del Brasile approda in Italia per tirarsi fuori dalla miseria, vendendosi sui marciapiedi della Versilia. S'innamora di un bel ragazzo, Francisco, suo cliente e poi stabile amante, e come la Julia Roberts del film, con lui sogna la favola. Per realizzare il sogno, cambia sesso Francisco, sceglie di chiamarsi Miranda Adriana Pereira e se lo sposa, quel giovanotto, sperando in un futuro di normalità. Ma il marito, tradendo ogni promessa, la ributta sul marciapiede. E lei lo ammazza. Condannata a 16 anni di reclusione, Miranda, nel carcere di Pisa, racconta a Franca Leosini la sua tormentata vicenda; ma a lungo descrive anche il mondo dei transessuali, e apre squarci significativi sui rapporti dei transessuali con il variegato universo degli uomini che li frequentano.
Storie maledette 2011.02 - Sognando Pretty Woman - Miranda Pereira
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00:00:00Thank you all
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00:01:00Among the shacks of Lamiera and Miseria in the favela of Vittoria di Spirito Santo in Brazil, where in 1974 he was
00:01:07born and raised.
00:01:12But his name was Francisco Vexli do Carmo and he liked dolls and scarlet lipstick that made his lips look greasy.
00:01:19of women.
00:01:22Very soon he discovered that he was born in the prison of a body that did not belong to him in Tombigno and decided to
00:01:28to use his wrong body to compensate with money for that mistake of nature.
00:01:36And it was in Italy, on the sidewalks of Versilia, that Francisco Tombigno experienced the violence of sex and brutal slavery.
00:01:45of those who are exploited by those who manage the market of bodies put up for sale.
00:01:57He also knows a handsome young man Tombigno, one of the many gentlemen who have a girlfriend, a wife, a lover, but he
00:02:03they become passionate about transsexuals when the day fades.
00:02:10His name is Sandro Grazi, the young man is thirty years old and works lazy and occasional jobs.
00:02:20Tombigno falls in love with him and with him, who appears to be in love, dreams of a fairy tale, away from the pavement and a life
00:02:27no more humiliation and slavery.
00:02:31She goes to live with Sandro Tombigno and then undergoes surgery and changes sex and becomes Miranda Adriana, a woman with
00:02:38all effects.
00:02:39And then, finally, she marries that young man, who fills her with promises and hopes.
00:02:48But it's a sad tale. Sandro throws her back into the sex trade, and on February 26, 2008, a stab wound that
00:02:56Miranda slips out of hand during a fight of disappointment and anger, breaks Sandro's heart and
00:03:02Miranda's lost dreams.
00:03:07Sentenced in 2008 by the Assize Court of Lucca to 16 years of imprisonment for voluntary homicide, sentence reduced to
00:03:14Miranda Adriana Pereira is serving her 12-year sentence in Verona prison.
00:03:26Miranda, you have a beautiful name, as musical as the notes of a bossa nova modulated on the strings of a harp,
00:03:37Miranda Adriana Pereira.
00:03:40But his is a name that has erased another, Francisco Vaxley Ducano, the name with which in
00:03:481974 she was born in Spirito Santo Vittoria in Brazil.
00:03:54Yes, yes.
00:03:54Is that so?
00:03:56Miranda, but in the family they called her Tombigno, so why Tombigno?
00:04:00My mom called me Tombigno because it's a cute name, because she was little, she called me that when I was little.
00:04:14Manhole.
00:04:16Listen Miranda, it's this child, this very little boy, the one they called Tombigno, that I'd like to talk to you about.
00:04:25So, first of all, let's talk about your family. Do you have any brothers or sisters, Miranda?
00:04:29A brother.
00:04:30Listen, Miranda, look back over the stages of your life, and in your childhood the dark colors of poverty prevail.
00:04:41Yes.
00:04:42She and her family lived in a slum.
00:04:45Yes, let's say a language, yes, a language, but my mother always worked, always tried to give a
00:04:53better for the two of us.
00:04:56Listen Miranda, several times, you know, talking to you, you said the name of your mother, my mother, my mother,
00:05:05Look, she never talks about her father, why?
00:05:07Because she was raised by my mother, my mother who did everything. She left him because he
00:05:17she was sticking to it.
00:05:21Listen Miranda, now let's get back to this little boy, to this manhole, here.
00:05:26At what age did Tombigno realize he was born in the wrong body, in the prison of the wrong body?
00:05:32As a child, as a little girl, she didn't play, she didn't do male sports, she preferred to be, to play with dolls, I remember this well
00:05:46because it was just my character, I liked being with girls more than with boys.
00:05:59But on the level of physical urges themselves, at what age did you realize this?
00:06:05I realized why I think 9-10 years, yes, I think this 9-10 years, I realized.
00:06:14Did you understand that she was a woman, that she felt like a woman?
00:06:18Yes, yes, I felt 100%.
00:06:20In short, we must not have, let's say, discomfort in dealing with the issue that is present in his life, the problem that
00:06:28it's present in his life, that is, transsexuality, in short, so not…
00:06:32No, I'm proud of who I am.
00:06:35Sure, well, no problem, well, also because transsexuality is a condition, it's not a perversion, well, so...
00:06:43Ninth.
00:06:43For example, her schoolmates, her friends, how did they relate to her?
00:06:49He had some people who were taking a ride, who were calling gay, this, is gay, but I never gave
00:06:59straight, I've never been… he kept, he didn't answer, he always continued forward.
00:07:07So they made her feel a little uncomfortable, you know?
00:07:09Yes, discomfort, yes, discomfort even the family, who did not accept my father's family, knew from the mouth of
00:07:18my mom, but I hope my mom has always been there for me, like a real mother, she has been.
00:07:26Listen, Miranda, has Tonbigno ever fallen in love?
00:07:35Yes, I don't know what you mean, falling in love, but loving, yes, loving, yes.
00:07:42So, was this love, as you define it, directed towards a man or a woman?
00:07:51Of a man, no, of a woman.
00:07:53So you had a love affair as a kid, you know?
00:07:58Yes, yes, I had.
00:07:59At what age did this story begin?
00:08:01I think, out of 10 years, he had 10 years to live, yes, yes, 10 years.
00:08:08And did he have a love story?
00:08:10Yes, yes, he had.
00:08:11With?
00:08:12A story, with Erick de Lima Mac, who is Brazilian.
00:08:15So, how old was he?
00:08:17He was about 20, 19 years old, yes, yes, those years, I was little.
00:08:24Well, and you, excuse me for asking, did you also have sexual relations?
00:08:29Yes, yes, sexual, yes, yes.
00:08:32So, basically, let's say, your journey in terms of sexual relationships began very early?
00:08:38Yes, yes, because I also wanted to start early.
00:08:45Listen, Miranda, you studied, right?
00:08:49Yes, studied.
00:08:49He followed a course of study, in short.
00:08:51Yes, yes.
00:08:51At what age did you stop?
00:08:53First year of second grade, finished.
00:08:56After that I chose to take a nursing course in surgery.
00:09:01It was eight months, I stopped.
00:09:03Why did you stop?
00:09:04Because I thought that studying wasn't taking me to the dream it was supposed to be.
00:09:13And what was his dream?
00:09:15To be free, to be a real woman, that's what I thought in my head.
00:09:24Well, we were talking about studies and the fact that she stopped studying.
00:09:30Many transsexuals, unfortunately, do not have the means to equip themselves culturally
00:09:39and consequently also get a job that can bring them to adequate professional levels
00:09:49they end up facing the violence of the sidewalk.
00:09:52And Tombigno also ends up on the sidewalk.
00:09:55Would you like to explain to us, Miranda, what drives you to make this choice?
00:10:01which is a tough choice in any case, a difficult choice.
00:10:05What drove you?
00:10:06He pushed me because I dreamed of a high.
00:10:12He also saw, he knew people in Brazil who came to Italy.
00:10:18I was trying to find out, they told me to come to Italy.
00:10:26So never in Brazil?
00:10:27No, I have never been prostituted in Brazil.
00:10:32However, Tombigno, in fact, chooses the sidewalk and comes to Italy.
00:10:37Yes, I'm coming to Italy.
00:10:38So, why are you coming to Italy, Tombigno?
00:10:40I'm coming to Italy for some people.
00:10:43So, she came to Italy brought by someone?
00:10:46Yes, yes, brought by a person.
00:10:48What was this person's name?
00:10:50Shanghinha, Brazil.
00:10:52Shanghinha.
00:10:53Too famous.
00:10:54Famous for what?
00:10:56They all know transsexuals, they know her.
00:11:01And she makes these trips from Rio.
00:11:05What do you call them?
00:11:06Do you have a term to call them?
00:11:09Pimp.
00:11:10Pimp, here.
00:11:11So, this Pappona, as she calls her, who was called Sandigna, brings her to Italy.
00:11:16Yes, yes.
00:11:17So, what does he promise you by coming to Italy?
00:11:19It's an extraordinary life, a unique life, joy, cars, a little bit of everything.
00:11:30When the person was heard, when he was...
00:11:33How old was she?
00:11:34Era...
00:11:35She was 16 years old.
00:11:36Yes, it was close.
00:11:37Minor, here.
00:11:39But at 16 you're still a child, a little girl, a boy, basically.
00:11:43How can you, at only 16 years old, make such a difficult, serious decision?
00:11:48I wasn't the one who put any obstacles in the way.
00:11:51I really wanted to change, I wanted to have my independence, I wanted to take away the burden of my mother who felt I was a
00:12:04weight.
00:12:04But her mother let her go and then, well, she didn't stop her?
00:12:09No, my mother wasn't too upset, I said that my mother, who came to Italy to do
00:12:16the hairdresser.
00:12:18Ah.
00:12:18This is what my mom said.
00:12:19So she didn't say all her life.
00:12:22So when she arrives in Italy, which sidewalk does she end up on?
00:12:28In Milan.
00:12:30In Milan, Pisa.
00:12:49Miranda, what kind of relationship do you have with this pimp, who you call a pimp, this xandigna?
00:12:58So, first of all, you have contracted a debt with this...
00:13:02Yes, yes, 32 million lira.
00:13:0532 million?
00:13:06Yes, yes.
00:13:06And why this load of money, excuse me?
00:13:09Because they give you money for the passport, they give you money for the plane, they give you money
00:13:14to enter the border.
00:13:16And she actually takes on this debt of... she said 32 million lira.
00:13:21Which he had to give back to her.
00:13:23Here, in short.
00:13:24And so she ends up on the sidewalk?
00:13:26Yes, it was hard for me, I went on the first day, the first day I felt too cold,
00:13:35it was awful.
00:13:37The second day, when they took me, again, after I wanted to go back to Brazil, they said yes.
00:13:47After I started doing my own thing, I was beaten up by four transsexuals.
00:13:53Four transsexuals who were...
00:13:56Whoever bled knew, who was in charge, that road, that place where I was.
00:14:04How many hours a day did she work?
00:14:06I went from nine until five, five in the morning.
00:14:13How much...
00:14:14How many pages?
00:14:15He was talking about a thousand, a thousand and two hundred euros, a thousand and two hundred thousand euros, sorry.
00:14:20She kept this money for herself, so what...
00:14:24No, no, when he got home he had to give this money to this Tamara, who was, who sent after the bloodletting.
00:14:33So, basically, he couldn't keep anything for himself?
00:14:36No, no, not that for help.
00:14:38So basically she was a slave, she was a bit of a slave.
00:14:41She's an aunt, that's why she's an aunt.
00:14:44Listen, Mrs. Miranda, if I may, before continuing on with your story,
00:14:50I would like to ask you some questions that people who are, let's say, uninformed about the facts generally ask.
00:14:58We use legal language, in short.
00:15:02Well, many have asked themselves these questions, even very recently,
00:15:07in short, especially in periods in which the news has been crowded with sensational events
00:15:13linked to very well-known people, people, you know, of great notoriety who are passionate about transsexuals.
00:15:21Well, one of the questions that arises is this.
00:15:26In Italy, and not only in Versilia, but in big cities like Milan, like Rome, like in all cities,
00:15:32Transsexuals, especially Brazilians, have many clients and are in high demand.
00:15:37Yes, yes, they are in high demand.
00:15:39Who are the clients of transsexuals mostly?
00:15:44I mean, I tell you, for example, what social class do they belong to?
00:15:49There are all kinds.
00:15:51There are lawyers, there are many people who have a very high rank.
00:16:00young, old, they come in all shapes and sizes.
00:16:04How can we define the sexuality of men who date transsexuals?
00:16:10For me they are a bit of who.
00:16:16How can I say?
00:16:19I don't know, I'm...
00:16:21So, I'll ask you a more specific question.
00:16:23Yes.
00:16:23So, is a man who goes out with a transsexual essentially homosexual?
00:16:30They go after the dick, the beauty of a woman, the transgression, because they go, they see that woman who looks like a woman,
00:16:42he looks a bit like a man.
00:16:44They follow that, but they still have the dick.
00:16:48It's something that goes beyond that too, it's not just for femininity or beauty.
00:16:55There are also the ugly ones, the trans-ugly ones, but they work the same, but if it's true, damn it, they don't work.
00:17:02Because what is he really looking for? A man who goes with a transsexual?
00:17:08They are looking for...
00:17:09Sky.
00:17:10They are not looking for anything else.
00:17:14So, for me they are...
00:17:17Listen, Miranna, one more thing.
00:17:21It appears, from circumstances that have recently come to the forefront of the news,
00:17:26that those who hang out with transsexuals, the man who hangs out with transsexuals, generally, uses
00:17:33cocaine.
00:17:33But does it also force transsexuals to use it?
00:17:37What a drag, transsexuals who snort cocaine, they get more seagulls.
00:17:42Yes, yes.
00:17:42I had clients who told me that if I did a line of cocaine, a cocaine ball, I
00:17:51they gave 100 euros more for each line.
00:17:54But anyway I used to...
00:17:57Would you have preferred to earn 100 euros more?
00:18:00Yes, yes, less.
00:18:01Listen, Miranna, have you seen Pretty Woman?
00:18:04No, no, no.
00:18:05Well, Pretty Woman is a film that continues to make everyone dream.
00:18:12I invite you to see it because you get the chance.
00:18:15It's a film that tells the story of a prostitute who was played by a beautiful actress,
00:18:21which is played by this beautiful actress called Julia Roberts,
00:18:24with whom a tycoon who was played in the film by Richard Gere falls in love.
00:18:30And in the end Richard Gere basically marries this woman, this Pretty Woman,
00:18:40and they lived happily ever after.
00:18:43So, that's the story of Pretty Woman.
00:18:45It's a current event.
00:18:46The story that impresses.
00:18:48Now, unfortunately, you don't always meet Richard Gere on the sidewalk.
00:18:52You don't always meet a tycoon, a rich man, but she met a man on the sidewalk
00:19:01which will then be decisive throughout his life.
00:19:06Here, this man is called Sandro Grazi.
00:19:09Yes, yes.
00:19:11Listen, Miranda, can you tell us about your meeting with Sandro Grazi?
00:19:15Where did it happen?
00:19:16How did it happen?
00:19:17On the road, you met him, on the road, on the Via Travestania,
00:19:23He was almost done with work and he avoided me to go out.
00:19:29I accepted.
00:19:31Anyway, she was a male-to-male transsexual, you know,
00:19:36so when Sandro was the burda, she was Francisco, in short, she was Tombino,
00:19:41just to be clear.
00:19:42Well, as far as she knew, it was Sandro's first time having sex.
00:19:47with a male transsexual?
00:19:50No, he had a relationship with a transsexual author,
00:19:58but I was with him anyway.
00:20:01Well, let's say, this Sandro Grazi at the time had a girlfriend,
00:20:09he had a girlfriend to whom he had even been officially engaged for ten years.
00:20:13So, let me make it clear, Miranda, but whose side was Sandro on?
00:20:20Am I talking sexually?
00:20:22No, he liked both of them, both of them, between the parties.
00:20:32So, did he have this sort of bisexuality?
00:20:36You met a lot of men in your work, didn't you?
00:20:39So many.
00:20:40So, what do you like about this Sandro?
00:20:42What particularly attracts you?
00:20:44He attracted me because I thought that what he showed me was sincere,
00:20:53and the sorrow that I was on the street.
00:20:56he had this huge regret, saying that it relieves me of the street, saying that this has touched so many of me.
00:21:07But, obviously, she likes this Sandro Grazi, well, he was a nice guy, what was he like?
00:21:12He was handsome, he's blond, tall, blue eyes, yes, yes.
00:21:18But is she falling in love with this boy, Miranda?
00:21:22Yes, yes.
00:21:25And him, Sandro?
00:21:28Here, he also shows that he has an interest in her, a feeling beyond, like that?
00:21:34I think so, what he was showing me, yes.
00:21:38I dreamed of finding someone who would make me happy,
00:21:44of that world he was living in, which I have never lived in, I have never lived in.
00:21:50That I came to prostitute myself, to sell my body, and then I found this person.
00:21:59For me it felt like I was leaving that life, leaving that world.
00:22:04So, in Sandro, thank you, she saw this possibility.
00:22:08Yes, he saw this possibility, he thought about this possibility.
00:22:14It was a story that was beginning.
00:22:16However, Miranda, looking back over the course of her existence, well, her life appears to be marked by a series of turning points.
00:22:25A first turning point, as far as others know, occurred around 2000, because it is around that date that
00:22:33she goes to live with Sandro Grazi.
00:22:37When she goes to live with Sandro Grazi, you settle in Castelnuovo, right?
00:22:42Yes, yes.
00:22:43Which is a village in Garfagnana, which is very close to Castelfiorentino.
00:22:49Yes, where he lived.
00:22:50Which is the town where Sandro lived before and where Sandro's parents lived later, that's it.
00:22:58His wife lived there and the apartment belonged to Sandro.
00:23:04Anyway, Miranda, is moving in together a choice, is it a choice of love?
00:23:11Yes, it was a choice of love, truly.
00:23:16It must be said that Sandro's is a courageous choice.
00:23:21Yes, Miranda, because facing public opinion in a small town head-on can be difficult.
00:23:32Yes, this yes.
00:23:34But did you have any problems with the locals? How did they relate to you?
00:23:39No, no, I didn't have any problems as a local, I didn't have any problems with his mother.
00:23:47Here, let's talk about how Sandro's family takes it.
00:23:51I went to meet his family in Castrofrentino, where they lived.
00:23:58I went to eat, she didn't have to say, they knew she was a foreigner, but she wasn't who.
00:24:04He was very sexual, even if you could see them.
00:24:10They got me right for my package.
00:24:13They knew, she was a foreigner, she lived with him.
00:24:16But when they realize, what happens?
00:24:20A big mess.
00:24:22I'd like to tell you about this mess.
00:24:25What's happening?
00:24:26That they come to your house, father, mother and then who else?
00:24:30Oh uncle.
00:24:31And the uncle.
00:24:32Because by then they knew she was transgender.
00:24:35He knew after they took it, it was passport, yes, I think passport, he said
00:24:44look, it's a boy.
00:24:46First they called me a whore because they had that argument and then when they took
00:24:52they said I was transsexual, Sandro's mother kept me out, out, that she threatened me
00:25:00with a knife and his father and his son blocking Sandro, I tried to enter
00:25:08in the house to see if he protected, if he helped my husband because at that moment
00:25:14he was offended, I was naked anyway, I ran into town.
00:25:19Was she naked?
00:25:19Yes, yes.
00:25:20Why was she naked?
00:25:21Because I was sleeping.
00:25:22Oh here it is.
00:25:23The mess happened in all of that, I didn't even know that the two of them were there,
00:25:30the three of them were arguing, but I didn't come out, I came out after some
00:25:34confusion.
00:25:35So?
00:25:35And so I ran away.
00:25:37She was naked, so it was pretty clear, let's say, in everything.
00:25:42And I ran into town to the first, second house, yes, second house.
00:25:49Okay, so what's going on?
00:25:50I asked for help, to help, to call the police to come help my husband.
00:25:58And after...
00:25:59Who wasn't her husband yet, was still her husband.
00:26:01No, he was alive.
00:26:04And after I arrived at the Carabinieri, Sandro's girlfriend also arrived with her sister
00:26:12my husband's, my husband's mother's sister, sorry.
00:26:18They arrived, he had his son who was already beating Sandro, he had his mother who was pushing me,
00:26:24after she felt bad when I came to the Carabinieri, the ambulance came, I am
00:26:30you get to Carabinieri, everything has been done there, which is a big mess.
00:26:35But they didn't take you, they didn't manage to take Sandro away, that's it?
00:26:39Ninth.
00:26:40In short, stay together and they have to resign themselves to this...
00:26:44The other, by now his and Sandro's life was a couple.
00:26:49Yes, yes.
00:27:00No, he wasn't calm.
00:27:01Is this a good time?
00:27:03Yes, yes.
00:27:04But does this good period last long?
00:27:07No.
00:27:08Why?
00:27:09It doesn't last long.
00:27:09What's happening?
00:27:10Because he had to go back to the streets, to work.
00:27:13It seems that Sandro then, well, had a bit of contempt for work, let's say, because the works
00:27:18he took them and left them.
00:27:20He didn't like working.
00:27:21So, in fact, she who was hoping to find a good life, found none of that.
00:27:32But there is also something else, unfortunately, because in that period Sandro, who undoubtedly
00:27:38by now he found it easy, convenient to be supported, let's say it, in addition to exploiting her, but it becomes
00:27:44also, we want to say, a transsexual entrepreneur?
00:27:48Yes, he rented transsexual houses, he rented transsexual houses and these transsexuals who came
00:27:57from Brazil, there were six, there were six, even more.
00:28:02And he is convicted, in short, for exploitation, for exploitation, aiding and abetting and exploitation.
00:28:08of prostitution, by the Lucca court in 2004.
00:28:11Yes, yes.
00:28:11Miranda, but even though she, let's say, had actually been betrayed in her dreams, well,
00:28:18basically, and she was forced to go back onto a sidewalk, she continued
00:28:23to love, Sandro?
00:28:24He continued to love, everything, yes.
00:28:28So he was still the man she loved?
00:28:31He continued, yes, to love, truly.
00:28:33But, well, you loved each other, well, despite this, let's say, from various testimonies
00:28:40It turns out the place was a pretty turbulent relationship.
00:28:44There were quite violent arguments between you, and yet...
00:28:47He put his hand on me, yes.
00:28:49Well, but, well, from what I understand, she, well, she wasn't any less, eh, even
00:28:54the people who spoke, on record, spoke about you after the tragedy, they told
00:29:01that between the two, it was she who gave him more, who treated him more, it seems she beat him
00:29:07like a cutlet, in short.
00:29:09Oh, I mean mine, no.
00:29:10Well, yes, but it turns out that around 2003, Miranda, another man enters her life,
00:29:16A thirty-year-old man enters, a certain Michele, whose surname we will not give for privacy reasons.
00:29:23So, who was this person, Miranda, what did this Michele represent for her?
00:29:27For me he was a lover, for me he didn't represent anything, she was with him for, how can I say, for
00:29:44the little helper, for the things my husband didn't do, who had things that he did,
00:29:52who worked at the barrier.
00:29:53Let's talk about this Michele who is a person who seems quite present.
00:29:575 even in his life.
00:29:59Yes, 4 and a half years.
00:30:00Here, in short.
00:30:01Even if she didn't love it, it was a…
00:30:03It's not necessary to love lovers, in short.
00:30:06I, like you, I also helped him with money, which he always had, he was in debt for
00:30:13help, after that he had to pay for this and with a little time, I already wanted to too
00:30:21good for him.
00:30:21She who… she loved him, but, I mean, she used him in some way, you know.
00:30:27Like all men.
00:30:29Oh?
00:30:29Like almost everyone.
00:30:31But Sandro was aware that this Michele… was a privileged client, he was a kind of lover,
00:30:39Sandro knew it.
00:30:39Yes, he knew.
00:30:41And he didn't bother, he didn't bother him, in fact.
00:30:45No, no, no.
00:30:47So the fact is, you know, he wasn't afraid that she might even go off with this Michele.
00:30:53I don't think he does.
00:30:54He thought I loved him too much, that I loved him too much.
00:30:58Listen, Miranda, within this sovereign disorder of life, however, you had
00:31:04within himself a goal, which was a strong and precise goal.
00:31:08Enough.
00:31:09What was this goal?
00:31:12Complete my operation and become a woman.
00:31:16So, let's say, the prevailing drive has been to conquer gender identity
00:31:22in which she recognized herself.
00:31:24Yes, yes. He hoped. He hoped it would be a better life.
00:31:31Miranda, to what extent did Sandro influence your decision to have surgery?
00:31:36I mean, Sandro wanted, desired her to change her sex?
00:31:40No.
00:31:41Why?
00:31:42Because I think he liked the male sex more than the female sex.
00:31:48That's why he was also his girlfriend, he was with me.
00:31:53I think that was why.
00:31:55On the other hand we must not forget that when he met her, when he stopped her
00:32:00that night on the street, she was a male transsexual.
00:32:04Yes, yes, that yes.
00:32:05She chose to live with her, but...
00:32:08A masculine.
00:32:09Which, after all, was Francisco.
00:32:12So he probably had this prevailing, in short.
00:32:16Well yes.
00:32:16So probably this, basically.
00:32:19Listen, Miranda, one more point.
00:32:24It turns out that the transsexual who goes from man to woman after surgery, therefore changes gender identity,
00:32:33for customers.
00:32:35Well, you asked yourself this question when you chose to have surgery.
00:32:40I didn't care.
00:32:41I would lose all of them.
00:32:43But for her it was more important...
00:32:45My choice, yes.
00:32:46The choice, in short, to become a woman.
00:32:48Yes.
00:32:48Well, to change sex, she went to London for surgery.
00:32:52And as is well known, sex change surgery is a very painful procedure,
00:32:59both on a physical level and on a psychological level, in short.
00:33:02A very laborious operation, let's say, that's it.
00:33:07What memory did you bring back from that operation?
00:33:12I thought it would be a great moment in my life.
00:33:19Listen, Miranda, when after the surgery you...
00:33:22she looked at herself in the mirror, and I say this in a metaphorical sense too,
00:33:26not only in an aesthetic, physical sense.
00:33:30Here, she recognized herself in that new identity that she had wanted to achieve at all costs.
00:33:37I was ready.
00:33:38She was ready.
00:33:39Yes, yes, she was ready.
00:33:40I had everything inside me.
00:33:44Once that part changed, who never accepted that part of me.
00:33:51but I realized myself.
00:33:54So she found herself in that beautiful woman she wanted to call herself...
00:33:58Miranda.
00:33:59Adriana Pereira.
00:34:01Mhm.
00:34:02Let's go back to her relationship with Sandro, Miranda.
00:34:05She, as she said, he did not help her in any way,
00:34:08he did not support her in this rather challenging phase of her life.
00:34:15But after the surgery, Sandro really wanted her to come back to him.
00:34:22Yes, yes.
00:34:23Well, I think he even made some promises, right?
00:34:28Because she had returned to Brazil, right?
00:34:30That he made her promises.
00:34:31What promises did he make to make her come back to him?
00:34:34Who went to work, who went to take care of everything himself, who went to do everything, of the promises that
00:34:45it has never been maintained.
00:34:46Well, let's talk about the ones he made, then we'll see how they turned out.
00:34:50That he wanted to get married, that he wanted to start a family, promises that for me were a lot, for him they weren't.
00:35:04I know.
00:35:05Well, but he undoubtedly made a life choice with her,
00:35:11because in 2005 you and Sandro got married, Miss Miranda Adriana Pereira married Mr. Sandro Grazzi.
00:35:20Yes, yes.
00:35:21Miranda, can you tell us about your wedding, the party, how it went, where it was held?
00:35:27He tells us.
00:35:28I got married in Castello Farentino, there with his parents, with his family, my friends, I couldn't
00:35:36call.
00:35:41My mom couldn't come.
00:35:43But they accepted, they came to their wedding.
00:35:46Sandro's parents, right?
00:35:47Yes, Sandro's parents, the commune was a witness to our marriage, father and mother.
00:35:58Do you remember what she was dressed like?
00:35:59Yes, dressed in a Belgian dress that she had bought in the Laura e Sposa shop, in Castello di Massarosa.
00:36:13I had chosen the dress, I had chosen everything, the things I dreamed of, made come true.
00:36:23So he was happy?
00:36:25Yes, yes.
00:36:26So, how did she imagine her life as a married lady?
00:36:29Here, cooking meatballs at home?
00:36:32At home, cooking the... eating that I know how to do, the Brazilian, what he likes too, the
00:36:41pasta, things he likes too.
00:36:44She thought she would live as a housewife.
00:36:49About the little wife?
00:36:50Yes, yes.
00:36:51Of the housewife.
00:36:52And one more thing, Miranda, you desperately, strongly wanted to be a woman, but did you ever want to be a mother too?
00:37:02I intend to adopt a child.
00:37:04This doesn't... this point doesn't want to talk.
00:37:08He doesn't want to talk about it or has never wanted to?
00:37:11I wished, he doesn't want to talk.
00:37:28Listen, Miranda, one more thing that deserves reflection, in short, when you met Sandro, as we have discussed extensively,
00:37:36she was Francisco, then she becomes Miranda, who through the operation changed her anatomically from a man to a woman.
00:37:44But, look, does anything change in your relationship with Sandro?
00:37:47I mean on a physical level too, if you'll let me know.
00:37:51It changes.
00:37:53I used the vaginal part, which was the vagina, he booked me in front, it was a different thing than what
00:38:03it was before.
00:38:06And this on the level of sexual intercourse itself, but I mean if something changes, you know, if Sandro shows towards her
00:38:15the same enthusiasm on a sexual level, that is, if he showed that he desired her in the same way as before.
00:38:25At first, yes, afterward, no. At first, yes, but afterward, no. Afterward, I saw a big change.
00:38:36Well, maybe because, as she says, maybe he had more of a premonition.
00:38:40More than the part, I think he liked the male sex, in that part yes, I think so.
00:38:52Let's now move on to the concrete part of her life with Sandro, of your life as a couple, as a married couple now, that's it.
00:39:01When you got married, Sandro was working.
00:39:03Yes, yes.
00:39:05How does it work then?
00:39:08It works out that after three, two months, three, two months, he left that job too.
00:39:17Why?
00:39:19He always said he was tired, that job was tiring, he had a thousand things to say about that job.
00:39:33So, well, he quits his job once again.
00:39:37So, in conclusion, she, Miranda, must put her dreams and promises in the drawer and start prostituting herself again.
00:39:45Yes, yes.
00:39:46So, excuse me, Miranda, but at that point didn't you think about dumping him, Sandro?
00:39:52I mean, it's true that she was recently married, right?
00:39:54No, I didn't think about that at any point.
00:39:58Even though he gave me a thousand reasons to leave him.
00:40:02But, if you hit the street, start working, it was also a bit of a trauma, mentally it was bad
00:40:15in that part.
00:40:18But I always, with my head, with my heart, always face it.
00:40:24But, but it was hard, I won't deny it, it was hard.
00:40:30She, she says, never thought of leaving him, that's what she means, after all.
00:40:33No, I loved.
00:40:34So, where did you receive clients at that point?
00:40:38At home, even in my own home, it was...
00:40:43He also received customers there.
00:40:46Look, but while she was receiving clients at home, where was her husband?
00:40:52It was in our room.
00:40:54So, and this didn't cause him any discomfort, any problem, excuse me?
00:41:01For me, yes, but for him, no.
00:41:06Not for him.
00:41:07For him even when he left the room, that he did not use money in that room, I, because he was afraid of customers
00:41:16steal.
00:41:18I mean, let me get this straight, you were talking about stealing, I mean, what do you mean?
00:41:23I mean, he was afraid of, what?
00:41:25That she kept the money she earned for herself, is that what you mean?
00:41:29Yes.
00:41:31And he took the money...
00:41:33Yes, yes. She supported my husband with clothes, with food, with everything that...
00:41:40He went home, I built my mom's house in a place where we can say that we are well now...
00:41:48How to say...
00:41:51I left the language to go and live in a better place.
00:41:57In my life I never finished finishing that job, I never finished saying I quit.
00:42:05This wasn't happening, it didn't happen.
00:42:08Listen, Miranda, among the customers who frequented your house, your house and your husband's house, logically, there was also
00:42:16Michele, right?
00:42:18Yes, but she also had Michele at that time, yes.
00:42:21Listen, did you tell Michele that he was married to Sandra?
00:42:25No, not this.
00:42:27Why? Why hadn't she told him?
00:42:29Because Michele wanted to get married, Michele wanted to get married and I said he wasn't in time yet, that's what Michele said.
00:42:41So he wanted to marry her too, because he found out later that she was married to Sandro after the
00:42:49tragedy, in short, police station, in short.
00:42:53Miranda, I'm asking a question that may be indiscreet, but you can handle it, after all.
00:42:59We know that with the surgery, we repeat, she had become a woman, that's it.
00:43:04But by changing sex, did his clientele also change?
00:43:08Yes, it has changed.
00:43:11Can you explain it to us?
00:43:13Those customers who were there before came looking for cock, and that one, another customer, I almost use a dirty word,
00:43:23Say.
00:43:24But that and another one, there was the transgression, because I also worked in sadomasochism, in that part there.
00:43:34And it has changed, the clientele has changed.
00:43:38They are the ones who stayed, then things changed, not everything, yes, yes.
00:43:47Here, but those, the men who come, who have sex with a transsexual, with a transsexual who becomes a woman through surgery.
00:43:58Why don't they just go with a woman, then?
00:44:02I do not know.
00:44:03She said she also did a little bit of sadomasochistic sex, right?
00:44:06Yes, yes, he also worked.
00:44:08I had learned in Svistra with my friend.
00:44:11So, tell us what you did?
00:44:18They all dressed in leather, with a boot, the one with the whip, they whipped men who came with what they wanted
00:44:32Sadomasochism.
00:44:33They were the whips, the, as they say, the electricity that was given to each other, the pisse that had cappsessalo.
00:44:44There are so many different little things.
00:44:49So, anyway, we said that with Sandro things had changed a bit, on a sexual level, that's it.
00:44:57But Sandro, beyond living comfortably, let's say, supported by her, watching TV while she prostituted herself for
00:45:09keep both, that's it.
00:45:12What was she like as a partner? Was she at least faithful?
00:45:19No, not this.
00:45:22She had also decided because at the same time she was also jealous.
00:45:28However, she was jealous and it was precisely because of Sandro's betrayal that the tragedy erupted.
00:45:36Here, let's try to reconstruct together how Miranda actually happened.
00:45:41And let's start by saying that it all started with a hot Saturday night at the disco.
00:45:46Yes.
00:45:46Here, she tells us what happens that night in that nightclub.
00:45:49That evening, my husband had done it, he was more done than ever, that evening.
00:46:00And I had us, and my cousin and I wanted to go dancing.
00:46:09And we go to the after-hours bar on Via Reggio, and there, I don't know, I felt sick, I with the drink
00:46:20so, he had also taken an Estra pill, if that...
00:46:26Had she taken it or had Sandro put it in her...
00:46:29He had put my husband.
00:46:30Well, no, because what emerges from the documents is that Sandro had put these pills in her.
00:46:34Yes, it was a martini, martini with trips, and from there, as I was at the disco, he started to beat me
00:46:43my heart was racing, and I missed the...
00:46:50He was on the verge of fainting, of vomiting.
00:46:54I'm going to go home, leaving my cousin to have fun, because she didn't want to ruin her
00:47:01evening, I felt really bad.
00:47:03She came home, went to bed, and got some rest because she wasn't feeling very well.
00:47:12And there, as I thought my husband was at home, my husband had gone back to the disco...
00:47:22Did she sleep the whole hour?
00:47:24Yes, asleep.
00:47:26Martina at eight, at eight at nine, super there.
00:47:30What happens?
00:47:31She arrived with my cousin and was yelling, because my cousin was yelling at him.
00:47:36I asked, but what is it?
00:47:38My cousin started yelling, but did that little bit betray you?
00:47:43Did he leave a trans?
00:47:44He said he left this trans.
00:47:46And that's where the argument with my husband started.
00:47:52And there he asked him to leave home, that I didn't want to be with him anymore.
00:48:02And he left, then he called me, and said he was coming to the house to get the money.
00:48:10I had this desk, Matti, because he didn't want to go back to his parents' house.
00:48:14I hid the money he had, it was mine, he had hidden it under his underwear.
00:48:24And I was cutting this credit card, let's say credit card, because it's a bank, but it's also
00:48:31credit card, yes.
00:48:33He was cutting, my husband came to me for my back.
00:48:36But why was he cutting this credit card?
00:48:38For him, don't use it.
00:48:40Because when she told him to go away, what did she tell him?
00:48:44Go get yourself supported.
00:48:46Doctors.
00:48:46I said that I was no longer obliged to support him, to stay with him, because for me it was already the end.
00:48:55of everything.
00:48:57It wasn't that I stopped loving him, because that's never been the case, I haven't, I've always loved him,
00:49:06but it had already reached too much for me, it was already too much for me.
00:49:12For the betrayal?
00:49:14Yes, it wasn't for that and many other things too.
00:49:23I didn't want to have a quieter life, I wanted to stop prostituting myself because I couldn't take it anymore.
00:49:34Yes, but there was a fight.
00:49:35What happened?
00:49:36How did this stabbing happen?
00:49:38Let us understand.
00:49:39He turned me around and started hitting me because I was cutting up the credit card.
00:49:48He turned me around.
00:49:49According to him he turned me, I was with the knife here, why am I with this hand, which entered his
00:49:56chest.
00:49:58So?
00:50:01So I didn't even see that I hurt my husband, he knew he had put the knife down, but still
00:50:08he didn't think that the knife had entered the saint's body.
00:50:15So what was his reaction? Did he scream?
00:50:17No, he was screaming at me like a whore that you hurt me, I don't remember well, if he didn't go away with the
00:50:28his legs.
00:50:28But was he bleeding?
00:50:30What was happening?
00:50:30No, no, there was no blood. I barely saw a drop, I didn't see this... He didn't even have...
00:50:40Imagine, there was a moment when I wanted to crush my husband, something like that.
00:50:48Because, first of all, I loved him, but he left my house, shouting with words. He insulted me and
00:50:57I was saying, go away, go find that person you were with.
00:51:02And he went away on his own two feet, started the car, put it in gear,
00:51:11'I saw it because it was there.
00:51:22To date, Mrs. Pereira is serving a final sentence of 12 years in prison, a sentence that arises from the ruling
00:51:32of the Court of Appeal of Florence, which partially reviewed the first-instance conviction.
00:51:38The Court of Appeal of Florence has in fact recognised the intentionality of Mrs Pereira's gesture, contrary to
00:51:45what had instead been recognized in the first instance.
00:51:49So from a first degree sentence of 16 years we went to a sentence, albeit still severe, but a
00:51:55sentence reduced to 12 years.
00:51:57The Court of Appeal actually recognized the defense line that affirmed the involuntary nature of the lady's gesture.
00:52:06Pereira,
00:52:07since it was evident from the testimony and the autopsy report carried out on the body of poor Grazi that the
00:52:16Mrs. Pereira had not wanted to strike to kill Mr. Grazi,
00:52:20but he had wanted to hit him both in order to distance him from himself and, at least this according to what was later confirmed by the
00:52:31second degree sentence,
00:52:33to hurt him so that he would not bother her anymore.
00:52:37The sentence of the Court of Assisi and of Appeal of Florence was certainly too high a sentence, starting from
00:52:44Massimo and such,
00:52:45a conviction that did not take into account the real environment in which the incident took place, in which
00:52:51the story is anchored in which it was born
00:52:53and above all he did not take into account, or rather he underestimated, the relationship that existed between Miranda and her husband,
00:53:00therefore leaning instead almost towards a role reversal between Miranda and her husband, thus making it appear, as we read
00:53:06in judgment,
00:53:07Miranda is a bit like the man of the situation, therefore not the victim, vice versa the husband as the fragile, weak element
00:53:14of the situation,
00:53:16so that which, in quotation marks, safeguards, protects.
00:53:20Miranda, if I may, let's talk about Sandro now.
00:53:23And it must be said that even Sandro, undoubtedly, had not realised how damaging that blow had been.
00:53:31of a knife,
00:53:32in short, but bad luck meant that that blow hit the heart.
00:53:36Anyway, Sandro was clearly headed to the emergency room, after all, because he travels less than a kilometer,
00:53:43then he undoubtedly realizes that he can't make it, in short, because he stops the car, pulls over to the sidewalk,
00:53:50he staggers out of the car and falls to the ground.
00:53:54And they are two workers from a cement factory that was nearby, who collect in their last breath the last words of
00:54:06Sandro.
00:54:06He says, take me away, I'm sick.
00:54:11The fact that she stayed at home and did not accompany Sandro, especially that she did not follow him,
00:54:19and instead you practically know what the investigators suspected, do you remember, Miranda?
00:54:26That is, she had stayed at home to erase evidence of the stabbing and to hide the knife.
00:54:35He didn't hide anything because he didn't have any drops of blood in my house, he didn't have anything, he didn't shake the blood.
00:54:43And the knife?
00:54:44The knife is left in the sink.
00:54:49However, Miranda, suspicions have focused on her, partly because she hasn't
00:54:55accompanied,
00:54:56he didn't go, because then she told, a load of lies, that is, she justified,
00:55:03I tell her what I read in the minutes, then she tells me to say it like this.
00:55:07She, let's say, told the police that she had seen that Sandro had injured himself,
00:55:12but that he got hurt while fixing the kennel gate, do you remember?
00:55:18Yes, that's his saying.
00:55:19Who had looked out to understand, to see what had happened.
00:55:22He had seen that Sandro was already in the car, that he was screaming, basically like that.
00:55:27So she told this lie?
00:55:29Well, this fact, let's say, added to the fact that she hadn't followed Sandro to the emergency room,
00:55:39he raised the most concrete suspicions about her and led people to believe that she had deliberately hit Sandro.
00:55:47She's basically interrogated at two in the morning, she walks out of...
00:55:51No, at six.
00:55:52So she calls her mother?
00:55:54At one o'clock and a little while.
00:55:55So, did she imagine she was being intercepted?
00:56:00He knew.
00:56:01What was intercepted?
00:56:02Yes, yes.
00:56:02He wouldn't speak.
00:56:03All my phones were tapped.
00:56:06Yes, but knowing that she was being wiretapped, did she tell her mother why she said what?
00:56:09I hurt Sandro, that's what's in the phone call.
00:56:12So, and mom...
00:56:15He asked me how, how, how he hurt him, how he hurt him.
00:56:19I said in the phone call, Mom, I don't even know how this happened.
00:56:25What did your mother advise you?
00:56:28My mom used to say tell the whole truth, but it's just the truth.
00:56:34It's better that they know that what happened wasn't me, because it just wasn't me.
00:56:41I.
00:56:41It was a relief for me when the prosecutor told me I was being charged with murder.
00:56:48But that's not how it happened, that's how it was done, really, because I know what happened, I know
00:56:56I'm the one to tell what really happened.
00:56:58Because I loved my husband, I still love him, and I will always love him.
00:57:06Even though everything that happened happened to him.
00:57:11I am paying for what I think I am aware of what happened.
00:57:18But it's always just Sandro and I continue to love everything that happened, everything that passed.
00:57:26I still love my husband.
00:57:47How do you say homesickness in Brazil?
00:57:51Saudance.
00:57:52Listen, Miranda, are you homesick for Brazil, for your homeland?
00:57:56Yes, I miss my family, I miss my country, yes.
00:58:03Here, when the prison doors have finally closed behind him,
00:58:09when the gates are closed, well, will she return to Brazil?
00:58:13Yes, yes, that's true. I hope there will definitely be a return.
00:58:23So is Brazil in your future?
00:58:26I don't know where my future will be, whether here in Italy or in Brazil, I don't know that.
00:58:34Still.
00:58:35So is there also a possibility that she will stay in our country?
00:58:38Yes, yes, there is a hypothesis, yes.
00:58:40So despite, well, what happened to her, she loves this land of ours.
00:58:46I have to thank Italy for many things.
00:58:49I can't speak badly of Italy.
00:58:54I thank Italy for everything that made it possible.
00:59:00I have nothing to complain about in Italy.
00:59:05But regardless of where her future lies, what does she want from her future for herself?
00:59:14Having a family, having a husband who loves me, having love, cute affection and being proud of having family
00:59:28that I have.
00:59:29That, I hope to love, I hope to whom, I hope to love and be loved, only that.
01:00:07Hey, I hope to love.
01:00:10Thank you all.
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