Echeggiarono nel mondo, quei tre colpi di pistola che, il 27 marzo del 1995, uccisero Maurizio Gucci, erede e titolare della rinomata e prestigiosa Maison. A lei, alla ex moglie Patrizia Reggiani Gucci, gli inquirenti approdarono dopo indagini lunghe, orientate massimamente nell'universo dei molteplici interessi imprenditoriali di Maurizio Gucci. Processata con l'accusa di essere la mandante dell'omicidio dell'ex marito, commissionato per inestinguibile rancore e gelosia a un manipolo di improvvisati esecutori, Patrizia Reggiani fu condannata a 26 anni di reclusione. Ne ha scontati 17 nel carcere milanese di San Vittore. Ora - a metà settembre del 2013 - il Magistrato di Sorveglianza, ne ha disposto la scarcerazione e l'affidamento ai Servizi Sociali. Gli inviati di tutto il mondo hanno chiesto di intervistare Patrizia Reggiani Gucci. Solo a "Storie Maledette" - nell'aprile del 2002, la Gucci ha dato un'intervista in esclusiva assoluta.
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00:00:35She always denied that guilt, those gunshots to the man she had loved and hated, she had them
00:00:45suffered, unwanted.
00:00:48Three gunshots killed Maurizio Gucci on March 27, 1995 in the most exclusive heart of
00:00:59Milan.
00:01:00Patrizia Reggiani Gucci was sentenced to 26 years in prison on charges of being the lover
00:01:07of that crime.
00:01:09Mrs. Gucci served 17 or more years in Milan's San Vittore prison.
00:01:16With its femininity intact, Gucci remained there too, between bars and gates that only imprisoned the
00:01:29his despair.
00:01:30Now, in mid-September 2013, the supervisory magistrate has ordered her release pending her delivery to
00:01:40entrustment to social services.
00:01:44During the last three years of his sentence he will work at Gucci, a commitment he has never experienced before and which will be carried out in the glittering light of day.
00:01:56of costume jewelry and high fashion accessories in a well-known and luxurious company in the sector.
00:02:03Her world reabsorbs her, but it doesn't erase the dark years of pain.
00:02:12I met Patrizia Reggiani Gucci in April 2002 in Milan's San Vittore prison.
00:02:21Beautiful, proud, elegant, stubborn.
00:02:25In my opinion, the lady was definitely commendable in her stubborn choice to remain herself even there on that occasion.
00:02:37Gucci, without indulging in ragged disguises and unwanted pietisms.
00:02:44To cursed stories, Patrizia Gucci told her truth.
00:02:50The truth, at best, is always a half-told story.
00:02:56It is up to us to choose which half we believe in.
00:03:04Maurizio Gucci dies after being hit by a hitman on March 27, 1995.
00:03:09In the ambush, set in the atrium of the building in Via Palestro in Milan, where the entrepreneur's company is based, remains
00:03:15the building's doorman, Giuseppe Onorato, was also injured.
00:03:19Gucci, a name, a brand, an empire.
00:03:23It is precisely within the vast international chessboard of interests of the 47 year old entrepreneur, who has been unsuccessfully pursuing his interests for two years.
00:03:30they are moving the investigations.
00:03:31But the solution to the case is just around the corner.
00:03:34The turning point was the revelations of a police informant, Gabriele Carpanese.
00:03:39It's a twist.
00:03:41At dawn on January 31, 1997, his ex-wife was arrested on charges of being the instigator of the crime.
00:03:48by Maurizio Gucci, Patrizia Reggiani Martinelli.
00:03:51The intermediary between her and the hitmen is her friend, the so-called witch, Pina Auriemma.
00:03:56His contact is a hotel porter, Ivano Savioni, the organizers and perpetrators of the crime, Orazio Cicala and Benedetto Ceraulo.
00:04:06With great fanfare in 1998, the trial.
00:04:09And there are two truths in comparison.
00:04:12Friends in real life, Patrizia Reggiani and Pina Auriemma fight each other relentlessly in the dock.
00:04:18Pina Auriemma confesses, indicating Patrizia Reggiani as the instigator of the murder.
00:04:23Patrizia Reggiani, who claims to have no involvement in the crime, claims to be the victim of blackmail by Auriemma and his accomplices.
00:04:29On November 3, 1998, the verdict.
00:04:32The Milan Assize Court sentenced Patrizia Reggiani to 29 years in prison as the instigator of the murder.
00:04:39Pina Auriemma was sentenced to 25 years as an intermediary, Ivano Savioni to 26 years, and Orazio Cicala to 29 years.
00:04:47Benedetto Ceraulo, the killer, who always protested his innocence, was sentenced to life imprisonment.
00:04:54March 17, 2000, the First Court of Appeal of Milan upholds the verdict but reduces the sentences.
00:04:5919 years and 6 months for Pina Auriemma, 26 years for Patrizia Reggiani.
00:05:04The Court of Cassation confirms.
00:05:08Never one to accept the weight of a conviction for a crime she denies, Patrizia Reggiani is now asking for a retrial.
00:05:17She was sentenced to 26 years in prison on charges of instigating the murder of her ex-husband, Maurizio Gucci.
00:05:26Mrs. Reggiani, did you give this mandate to kill?
00:05:30I really don't think so.
00:05:32So you claim to be innocent?
00:05:35I have always protested that I am not guilty because I certainly committed my own bullshit to get to this point.
00:05:41combined.
00:05:43A subtle difference.
00:05:44Of course, but it's important.
00:05:46I have to admit that there was a certain period of time that I really wanted to get it out of my system.
00:05:54I wanted to do it, in fact I went around asking others if they could oblige me.
00:05:59But then my intentions stopped, let's say, at a mere obsession, a mere desire.
00:06:05Let's see together how and why this sort of obsession developed in her.
00:06:11Starting from what was first and foremost the story of a great love.
00:06:14Yes.
00:06:15It's a story that started at a party, if I'm not mistaken.
00:06:18At this party she was dressed as Cleopatra.
00:06:21No, I was dressed in red.
00:06:22Anyway, anyway, he, she hit this boy, you were 22 years old, both of you, and he, or rather, she remembers what
00:06:31did he tell a friend to introduce himself?
00:06:33No, I don't remember.
00:06:34He said, but who is that beautiful girl in red who looks like Liz Taylor?
00:06:40Well, that's true, but Cleopatra is something else.
00:06:43Liz Taylor, Liz Taylor yes.
00:06:45But what did you like about this young man?
00:06:47At the beginning absolutely nothing, extremely arrogant, very boastful, very full of the Gucci name.
00:06:54But what about the fact that his name was Gucci?
00:06:56It didn't touch me at all, absolutely.
00:06:59So it wasn't love at first sight?
00:07:01No, no, this story began, and after a long time, because in the meantime we had started going out
00:07:07and I had begun to know the real Maurizio, who once he had put aside the mask of arrogance that is Maurizio Gucci,
00:07:15he was a lovely being.
00:07:18And so begins this beautiful tale, but it's a tale that has a somewhat difficult and conflicted start.
00:07:25Opposed by his father.
00:07:26In short, legend has it that he said to his son, look, this girl aspires more to your heart than to yours.
00:07:34heritage, in short.
00:07:36But he said this, in fact Maurizio never agreed with it.
00:07:40Anyway, I don't think his partner even came to your wedding.
00:07:43No, no, no, he didn't come to our wedding, I think he left for the United States.
00:07:47So it was really the war of the Roses.
00:07:48Yes, a lively thing, yes, yes, war of the roses.
00:07:51Anyway, all in all, it's a relationship that quickly mends itself, the one between her.
00:07:55Yes, within a year and a half.
00:07:56It seems to me that she was also very loved, very pampered.
00:07:58Very, very loved, I must say very loved, very pampered and then let's say that she recognized in part, let's say, that she had
00:08:06poorly expressed, of having understood things that were not true.
00:08:11And so it was a reconciliation of deep respect.
00:08:14He was fundamentally wrong.
00:08:16Yes.
00:08:17Listen, Mrs. Patrizia, you and Maurizio were talked about in the magazines as the most beautiful couple in the world.
00:08:25And he was.
00:08:28How many years did this beautiful fairy tale last?
00:08:30This beautiful fairy tale lasted from 72 to 85.
00:08:3513 years old.
00:08:36Yes.
00:08:37Here, can you help us live this fairy tale a little, Mrs. Lucci?
00:08:41She really wants it, I wouldn't like it.
00:08:43But, all in all, it was a pleasant life, a life in the magazine, so to speak.
00:08:50From rotogravure.
00:08:50Look, you had houses all over the place, Milan, New York, St. Moritz.
00:08:55Mexico, I think.
00:08:56Mexico, yes, in Capulco.
00:08:57So, all in all, a very pleasant life.
00:09:00Very, very pleasant.
00:09:01So, full of rewards, of beautiful friendships, in short, right?
00:09:06Yes a lot.
00:09:06Well, then I think her husband also bought her a wonderful boat.
00:09:10Yes, a wonderful boat because we had always wanted to have a very fast motorboat.
00:09:16And the only boat in the world is the Creon.
00:09:18I fell in love with this boat and asked Maurizio if he would give it to me as a gift.
00:09:47However, he was a loving husband.
00:09:49Affectionate and very generous.
00:09:51But is it true that he never returned home empty-handed?
00:09:53Never, never.
00:09:54We said that 13 years and then the fairy tale ends.
00:09:57Yes.
00:09:57So, what is it that is causing a crisis in your relationship with Maurizio?
00:10:01I don't know, frankly no.
00:10:03Let's say that the relationship completely fell apart after the father's death.
00:10:07Sub-year, 1983.
00:10:09Yes.
00:10:09After his father's death, Maurizio probably felt free to do what he wanted.
00:10:15What he told me, I want to relive that youth that I never experienced.
00:10:19So I don't know if I want to buy a Ferrari, I want to buy a Ferrari.
00:10:23If I want to buy the plane, I want to be able to buy the plane.
00:10:26I don't need you anymore.
00:10:27So excuse me, are you just free to waste?
00:10:30Well yes, yes.
00:10:31From that moment on he changed completely.
00:10:35Maybe because he surrounded himself with people who got to his head.
00:10:39And he no longer had any respect for anyone.
00:10:41Let's say he first started throwing out all the managers and all the people his father had in
00:10:48agency.
00:10:49Leaving his company in the hands of strange people.
00:10:53But her?
00:10:53So she was trying to intervene?
00:10:55I tried to intervene in every way, but I couldn't.
00:10:59In fact, in the end Maurizio said, you know what I tell you?
00:11:02I don't need a president, you can go away as far as I'm concerned.
00:11:06At this point it is inevitable to ask you for your opinion on Maurizio.
00:11:10What was he like as a fragile, strong man?
00:11:12Certainly, a fragile man, very very fragile.
00:11:14That he needed someone to stand between him and reality.
00:11:21In short, she gave a vicarious judgment of her husband.
00:11:27She said that Maurizio was a unique, extraordinary man.
00:11:30But unfortunately it was like a pillow, it bore the imprint of the last person to sit on it.
00:11:36Is that so?
00:11:36I remember this sentence very well.
00:11:38Listen, how did this happen?
00:11:41How did this very real rift between you come about?
00:11:46So, what is it?
00:11:47Suddenly he slammed the door and left?
00:11:49What did he tell her?
00:11:49Don't we give?
00:11:50Let's say that the last time we were together he had to leave for Florence, where there were some fashion shows.
00:11:57This doctor who had treated his father came and told me
00:12:02Patrizia, unfortunately I'm here for something very unpleasant.
00:12:05Maurizio has no intention of returning home.
00:12:07So there's no point in asking her how hard her heart was.
00:12:11Very hard, very hard.
00:12:13It was very hard because I had two little girls, and they too found themselves without their father overnight.
00:12:19You separated in substance, that is, in fact in 1985.
00:12:24Yes.
00:12:24Here, madam, now let's take a step back, or rather let's take a leap backwards.
00:12:31In 1976, so let's say in the golden years of her life with Maurizio, she met a lady who over time
00:12:39then it will occupy increasingly larger and more significant spaces in his life as well.
00:12:43This lady is called Pina Uremma.
00:12:46So, how did this friendship of yours begin?
00:12:48Our friendship began after Alessandra was born.
00:12:52This very dear friend of mine recommends that I go to Ischia, yes.
00:12:56In Ischia to go to the spa and get back in shape.
00:12:59At the spa in Ischia he introduced me to this lady, with whom at the beginning it was a real annual friendship, every time
00:13:09I was going, yes.
00:13:10Then the lady naturally came to Milan to visit this friend of mine and every now and then she called me.
00:13:16Until one day he called me and said he would like to have a Gucci store in Naples.
00:13:22And I told him look, I can do little, the only thing I can do is introduce you to Maurizio and tell you what you think,
00:13:27you will tell your intentions.
00:13:29Indeed, this is what happened and I know that Maurizio actually granted this shop to Naples.
00:13:35She would have said that she had paid one billion two hundred million to open this shop,
00:13:43when instead it appears to me that Maurizio gave it to him absolutely free without asking for anything in return.
00:13:49However, Maurizio, her husband, must have had some respect for her, even some friendship.
00:13:54And well, of course, having given him the shop he had a certain respect.
00:13:58But you too, because Mrs. Patrizia, relationships between people are always based on elective affinities.
00:14:06I then asked her what affinities could have linked them.
00:14:12But he was and still is a very nice person, who really knows how to make people laugh.
00:14:21He loved to sneak in, to know his stuff.
00:14:25That's why when Maurizio and God were a little annoyed by certain situations,
00:14:33With her Neapolitan comedy, she had a lot of fun making light of situations.
00:14:39Mrs. Aurim, at the time of the trial you were described a bit like Gucci's lady-in-waiting.
00:14:46So, was this her role, her way of being considered, of being treated by Patrizia?
00:14:52Absolutely not.
00:14:54So your relationship?
00:14:55A peaceful relationship between two friends like two sisters.
00:14:59Was Laurimma a friend to you?
00:15:01Yes, yes, yes.
00:15:02A true friend, yes.
00:15:03Someone I can trust.
00:15:04But she never came to any dinner at our place, she was never invited anywhere with any
00:15:09other friends of ours.
00:15:10That is, it was never introduced.
00:15:11Why?
00:15:12Well, given the person, it didn't seem right to me.
00:15:17May I ask, then how could she be friends with a person who basically,
00:15:24who then did not recognize sufficient qualifications to always be present?
00:15:30No, I'll explain why.
00:15:31Because in Milan we had taken, we ladies of high society, who later will also take up this term,
00:15:38the habit of going to breakfast together.
00:15:41I just didn't feel like it, because going to say my things in the middle of all these chickens, I don't…
00:15:46I did it.
00:15:47And then I practically preferred to pick up the phone and talk to Pina Napoli,
00:15:51where I told her everything, just in a rush of sincerity about my things, etc.
00:15:56And she was obviously listening, laughing and as I told her before,
00:16:00he made light of all the extreme situations, or those that seemed extreme to me.
00:16:05But didn't she use it a little back then?
00:16:08Yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
00:16:11But I have to say that good-naturedly.
00:16:15I reciprocated because every now and then she is clearly ahead in time,
00:16:18she found herself having financial difficulties,
00:16:21and then obviously I started making little checks,
00:16:25which then reached the figure we know well, which is why I'm here.
00:16:31We'll get there step by step.
00:16:33About Auriemma, in the period following Maurizio's abandonment,
00:16:39because she was very close to me, right next to me, she couldn't,
00:16:43a sincere friend could not be closer.
00:16:46Let's go back to her relationship with Maurizio.
00:16:49Unfortunately a relationship ended,
00:16:51just as the end of a relationship does not necessarily coincide with the end of a feeling,
00:16:57if only it were so.
00:16:58Here, inside yourself, how has your feeling for Maurizio evolved?
00:17:03But my feelings for Maurizio lasted a very long time,
00:17:06even after practically this deep disappointment,
00:17:10because I tried in every way to recover it,
00:17:13for months and maybe even years.
00:17:15Before I give up,
00:17:17I took all the bad things he could do to me,
00:17:20saying but he will change, but he will change, but he is not the one.
00:17:25Instead, it got worse and worse.
00:17:28But did being an ex weigh on you, Mrs. Gucci?
00:17:30No, not at all, absolutely not.
00:17:33Because people who knew her,
00:17:35or perhaps they claimed to know her,
00:17:37instead they insinuated that it weighed on her
00:17:39the loss of Mrs. Gucci's status.
00:17:42I never thought of the Gucci name as a status symbol.
00:17:45So we said that you and Maurizio actually separated in '85
00:17:49and the divorce decree then becomes effective in 94.
00:17:52Here, in these years, are his relationships with Maurizio,
00:17:56how were they?
00:17:56For example, it seems that among you there have been
00:17:59even strong divergences
00:18:02on the use, usability or possession of certain properties
00:18:07that she cared a lot about.
00:18:08No, for example, the discussion was this.
00:18:10Let's say, if you let me list them,
00:18:12I don't know, the villas in Semmorsi, which are three,
00:18:15the famous Azo Blu, right?
00:18:17And then the Creole, the other houses in New York.
00:18:22The New York house.
00:18:22For example, take the house in New York.
00:18:24The New York house was the gift
00:18:27which Rodolfo Gucci practically did to us,
00:18:30to me and Maurizio,
00:18:31for reconciliation.
00:18:34And so it was basically our home.
00:18:36But unfortunately when the divorce came,
00:18:38Maurizio said, but how?
00:18:40You have nothing.
00:18:41What gifts?
00:18:42Prove it to me.
00:18:42Now, with the little girls, how did your husband, Maurizio, behave?
00:18:48So, after a sudden initial disinterest,
00:18:54Every now and then, every two or three months, he called to hear news of the girls.
00:18:58He had the boat in mind.
00:19:00Was the boat more important than the girls?
00:19:02Decidedly.
00:19:03And Gucci.
00:19:05Then we will see, then, in fact, about this,
00:19:08in 1993, here, there is another deep pain
00:19:11that after, precisely, your separation,
00:19:14her husband inflicted it.
00:19:15He was forced to sell Gucci.
00:19:18Forced why?
00:19:20Forced because he had accumulated so much debt
00:19:24who was no longer able to manage his debts
00:19:28and maintain the company.
00:19:30It should be remembered, Mrs. Reggiani, that this choice of Maurizio
00:19:33to sell Gucci, sold for 170 billion, I think,
00:19:37a choice that she strongly deplored,
00:19:41it was considered by the judges to be one of the reasons
00:19:44which would have induced her to kill her husband.
00:19:46It's one of the reasons that make me smile
00:19:48because at this point, then, it would have been more convenient for me
00:19:51kill him before the sale took place and not after.
00:19:55Why did she know about it?
00:19:56I talked about it with Maurizio and tried to get him to react.
00:19:58and he told me, you have to mind your own business,
00:20:02the company is mine, I run it the way I want
00:20:04and if the time is right to sell, I will sell it.
00:20:06However, the judges considered that at that point she
00:20:10feared that Maurizio might waste
00:20:13what remained in cash and real estate, in short.
00:20:16Absolutely not.
00:20:17Especially since I was already doing well on my own.
00:20:20Maurizio satisfied me in everything I needed
00:20:23so there was no need to give an order
00:20:26and that we know the results it has brought.
00:20:31Mrs. Patrizia, beyond her sufferings
00:20:35for the troubled relationship, in short,
00:20:37for the abandonment of Maurizio,
00:20:381992 was a particularly difficult year for her.
00:20:44Do you want to remember what happened?
00:20:45Yes, because unfortunately I had surgery for a brain tumor.
00:20:49and it's something that traumatized me a lot
00:20:54because I will practically never be able to forget
00:20:56the lost gaze of my daughters and my mother
00:21:00who tried to support them as best he could
00:21:02when I found myself entering this operating room
00:21:05where, at best, I could have come out paralyzed
00:21:10if not dead.
00:21:12And I have to say that in my fantasies
00:21:15I had hoped to see Maurizio next to my daughters
00:21:18and instead it wasn't like that
00:21:19because I really thought I could continue
00:21:23this beautiful fairy tale that had been interrupted
00:21:26from interests, from disagreements, etc.
00:21:28I thought everything could start again
00:21:30like in a beautiful fairy tale.
00:21:32The trace of his suffering
00:21:36it is found in a recorded message
00:21:39that she sent to Maurizio
00:21:42where he poured out much of his anger
00:21:45and my disappointment
00:21:47It was more disappointment than anger.
00:21:50You've reached the extreme limit
00:21:52to make yourself despised by your own daughters
00:21:55who don't want to see you anymore
00:21:57to forget the trauma.
00:22:00You're a...
00:22:01you are a deformed excrescence
00:22:03you are a painful appendage
00:22:05that we all want to forget.
00:22:09You told me
00:22:10that during the period of forgery
00:22:13of your father's signature
00:22:14you went through hell
00:22:16and no, you're wrong Maurizio
00:22:18Hell is yet to come for you.
00:22:21Anyway she knows
00:22:22that that ribbon
00:22:24with those recorded words of his
00:22:26these bitter, violent words
00:22:27will become part of
00:22:28of that package of behaviors
00:22:31considered hostile to Maurizio
00:22:33who will then form the judges
00:22:34the belief that she
00:22:35gave the mandate to kill.
00:22:37Undoubtedly.
00:22:38She knows this.
00:22:40Anyway, here it is
00:22:42in the drama of this surgical intervention
00:22:46from which she told me she came out...
00:22:50Traumatized.
00:22:51Traumatized.
00:22:52Traumatized.
00:22:52Here you are.
00:22:53Did you have the presence of Pina Auriemma alongside you?
00:22:57So, no, I didn't have him next to me
00:22:59because I practically had it next to me
00:23:00my daughters and my mother
00:23:02which they absolutely abhorred
00:23:04Pina's presence.
00:23:05And how do you explain it?
00:23:06Why ma'am?
00:23:07Direction.
00:23:08So, my daughters
00:23:10I never knew this
00:23:12I'll explain too
00:23:13but maybe the children
00:23:14they can see
00:23:15what adults don't see.
00:23:17And the mother
00:23:18it goes without saying.
00:23:20Mom sees outside
00:23:21and beyond what a daughter
00:23:23can see.
00:23:25Yes, but undoubtedly
00:23:27his affection
00:23:29and his trust
00:23:30and the esteem she had
00:23:31for this woman
00:23:31it must have been this tall
00:23:33so deep
00:23:34then basically
00:23:36it is more to be privileged
00:23:37the presence of order.
00:23:38No, more than esteem
00:23:39or deep affection
00:23:41it was a wish
00:23:43to confess to me
00:23:44to trust
00:23:45my bitterness.
00:23:46And but one confides
00:23:46who does he trust?
00:23:47Excuse me, ma'am.
00:23:48But not necessarily
00:23:49a person
00:23:50I believe
00:23:51in my case at least
00:23:52I confide in you
00:23:52with a person
00:23:53who knows
00:23:54and I'm convinced
00:23:55that he knows
00:23:58understand my bitterness
00:24:00and above all
00:24:00that he doesn't go
00:24:01to wave around.
00:24:02This is called trust
00:24:04but madam
00:24:04it is also called estimate
00:24:06because precisely
00:24:07she was venting
00:24:09with Pinauriemma
00:24:09all his traumas
00:24:11all his problems
00:24:12his despairs
00:24:12even my grudges
00:24:13Certainly
00:24:14my grudges
00:24:14towards Maurizio
00:24:15and yet
00:24:17she didn't limit herself
00:24:18then to let off steam
00:24:19with Pinauriemma
00:24:20because it was going a bit.
00:24:21I was walking around
00:24:22as I already said
00:24:23to dogs and pigs
00:24:24to all my friends
00:24:25at the delicatessen
00:24:26even to the same lawyer
00:24:27I told him
00:24:27but find me a man.
00:24:29Let's go chat
00:24:29In short
00:24:30she was going
00:24:30to let off steam around
00:24:32and what
00:24:33he was going
00:24:33asking everyone
00:24:35What.
00:24:36But find me a killer
00:24:36I want him dead
00:24:37this one here
00:24:38I want him dead.
00:24:39I would like to know something
00:24:40which wife
00:24:41he didn't say
00:24:42I'm that one there
00:24:43I would kill him
00:24:43and he didn't say it
00:24:44even with friends
00:24:45I can say one thing
00:24:47that from my group
00:24:47of chickens
00:24:48uff
00:24:49of course if they had found
00:24:51many Pinauriemmas
00:24:52we would have many fewer husbands
00:24:53in circulation.
00:24:56These are just statements.
00:24:57which are part
00:24:58of a legal matter
00:25:00in his version
00:25:00of course, of course.
00:25:02But there are
00:25:03two episodes
00:25:04that in the process
00:25:05they made history
00:25:06at his expense
00:25:06Meaning what
00:25:07there is his housekeeper
00:25:09who testified
00:25:11that she
00:25:12in 1991
00:25:13he offered
00:25:15to her
00:25:15to this housekeeper
00:25:16and to the boyfriend
00:25:17two billion
00:25:19to organize
00:25:21the murder
00:25:21of her husband.
00:25:22Alone?
00:25:23In 91?
00:25:24Was it money?
00:25:25Yes.
00:25:25And they said
00:25:27no.
00:25:29These
00:25:29in 91 then?
00:25:31I'm honest
00:25:31of the husband.
00:25:32No, these gentlemen
00:25:33they then went
00:25:34from Maurizio
00:25:34to tell
00:25:36and Maurizio
00:25:36he also recorded
00:25:37let's say
00:25:39he received them at home
00:25:39and recorded.
00:25:40and took
00:25:41so seriously
00:25:42their words
00:25:44that he didn't tell me
00:25:44Nothing
00:25:45and there is none either
00:25:45protected
00:25:46with I don't know
00:25:46of the guards
00:25:47of the body
00:25:48etc.
00:25:48it doesn't seem like it to you
00:25:49a little incongruous
00:25:50the situation?
00:25:51Undoubtedly
00:25:51he didn't take
00:25:53under consideration
00:25:54nor to me
00:25:55he said
00:25:55a word?
00:25:57Alright
00:25:57maybe she
00:25:58he was the last person
00:25:58to whom to tell it
00:25:59Anyway
00:25:59there is also
00:26:00another episode
00:26:01in a certain
00:26:02let's say
00:26:02Like this
00:26:03entity
00:26:03Meaning what
00:26:05there was
00:26:06the testimony
00:26:07at the trial
00:26:07of his lawyer
00:26:08of trust
00:26:09the lawyer Aulitta
00:26:10who told
00:26:11that she
00:26:11in 1994
00:26:13it's gone
00:26:14to ask him
00:26:15what's happening
00:26:16if I make it out
00:26:17Maurizio
00:26:17so much so that
00:26:18the lawyer
00:26:20he quit
00:26:21his mandate
00:26:23he got alarmed
00:26:24he was scandalized
00:26:25and he stopped
00:26:26his mandate
00:26:26on what date?
00:26:281994
00:26:28but
00:26:29in 1995
00:26:31the lawyer
00:26:32Franchini
00:26:33who was the lawyer
00:26:33by Maurizio Gucci
00:26:34he says
00:26:35from a letter
00:26:36which he had received
00:26:37from Aulitta
00:26:39I note
00:26:40from the letter
00:26:41that she
00:26:42remains
00:26:43in defense
00:26:44of the lady
00:26:44Patricia Martinelli
00:26:45Reggiani
00:26:46Therefore
00:26:46January 18th
00:26:481995
00:26:49if this
00:26:50it was like that
00:26:50upset
00:26:51saddened
00:26:53for these of mine
00:26:54unhealthy choices
00:26:54Why
00:26:55in January
00:26:561995
00:26:57remained
00:26:58in my defense?
00:27:00Anyway
00:27:00Lady
00:27:02Gucci
00:27:02she
00:27:04to the lawyer
00:27:04Aulitta
00:27:05it's gone
00:27:05to ask
00:27:06what's happening to me
00:27:07if I look out
00:27:08my husband?
00:27:09Certain
00:27:09how I was doing
00:27:09to ask everyone
00:27:10but excuse me madam
00:27:11me now
00:27:11Excuse me
00:27:12he doesn't take offense
00:27:13but it's a question
00:27:14that a person
00:27:15adult
00:27:16with lucid faculty
00:27:17logic
00:27:18I can go and do
00:27:19maybe it wasn't
00:27:20with lucid faculty
00:27:21but it was with
00:27:22an extreme desire
00:27:24Of
00:27:27of revenge
00:27:28I
00:27:29I
00:27:29I ask you
00:27:30Lady
00:27:30but
00:27:31Mrs. Patricia
00:27:32in life
00:27:33Very
00:27:34it had been given to her
00:27:34removed
00:27:35so much
00:27:35Certain
00:27:36but a lot
00:27:37I was also
00:27:37been given
00:27:38Here you are
00:27:39because she
00:27:39he had at the bottom
00:27:40beauty
00:27:41wealth
00:27:42great possibilities
00:27:44relational
00:27:44great friendships
00:27:45two daughters
00:27:46wonderful
00:27:47Here you are
00:27:48in what
00:27:49continued
00:27:51to find
00:27:51food
00:27:52that of his
00:27:52implacable
00:27:53hatred
00:27:54towards
00:27:54by Maurizio
00:27:56she wasn't happy
00:27:57economically
00:27:58No
00:27:58I was
00:27:59absolutely
00:28:00satisfied
00:28:00economically
00:28:01I didn't miss it
00:28:02absolutely
00:28:02Nothing
00:28:03how much he perceived
00:28:03she like
00:28:04so
00:28:05I perceived
00:28:06as an appanage
00:28:07at a certain point
00:28:08Well
00:28:08after the divorce
00:28:09it had been for me
00:28:10granted
00:28:10Meaning what
00:28:11it had been for me
00:28:11given as an allowance
00:28:12one and a half billion
00:28:13more all things
00:28:15of the daughters
00:28:16medicine
00:28:17trips
00:28:18etc.
00:28:18everything outside
00:28:19so see her
00:28:21that is, there was something to be said
00:28:22more than calm
00:28:23a bit
00:28:23Why
00:28:23I then had
00:28:24of my
00:28:25from my family
00:28:26so it's not like I can
00:28:27I could be
00:28:28starving
00:28:29or what
00:28:30without a lady
00:28:31so I
00:28:31she told me
00:28:33I had no reasons
00:28:34of hatred
00:28:34for economic reasons
00:28:35No
00:28:36I only had one
00:28:36for sentimental matters
00:28:38but not
00:28:38why Maurizio
00:28:40I had
00:28:41his
00:28:42scheming
00:28:43but in my opinion
00:28:44as it was
00:28:45drastically
00:28:46removed
00:28:47from his daughters
00:28:48who suffered from it
00:28:49but also from her
00:28:50Yes
00:28:51but you see
00:28:52it was a thing
00:28:53among the great
00:28:53me and him
00:28:54it was a relationship
00:28:55different
00:28:56that between him
00:28:56and the daughters
00:28:57Anyway
00:28:57Speaking of which
00:28:58precisely
00:28:59of bitterness
00:28:59or of
00:29:02problems
00:29:02tied to her husband
00:29:04but her ex-husband
00:29:05Maurizio
00:29:05could embitter her
00:29:06Here you are
00:29:07around 1992
00:29:09since 1990
00:29:10but since 1992
00:29:11above all
00:29:12onwards
00:29:13join us
00:29:14of Maurizio's life
00:29:15a blonde lady
00:29:17Paola Franchi
00:29:19that in 1994
00:29:20that in 1994
00:29:21really
00:29:22he's going to live
00:29:22with Maurizio
00:29:24in the house
00:29:24of Corso Venezia
00:29:25in Milan
00:29:41this presence
00:29:42female
00:29:43official
00:29:44alongside Maurizio
00:29:46it pained her
00:29:47the jealous one
00:29:48No
00:29:49jealous
00:29:50No
00:29:50it made me sad
00:29:51Perhaps
00:29:51knowing
00:29:52the personality
00:29:54of the person
00:29:55of the woman
00:29:56naturally
00:29:57just for that
00:29:59because once again
00:30:00in my opinion
00:30:01Maurizio
00:30:01he was wrong
00:30:03his choice
00:30:04Lady
00:30:04Bucci
00:30:05she is giving
00:30:06a judgment
00:30:06about a person
00:30:07which is not present
00:30:08which is not present
00:30:09but I'm ready
00:30:10to tell him
00:30:10even in the face
00:30:11Anyway
00:30:12it's an evaluation
00:30:14its
00:30:14she obviously
00:30:15it is assumed
00:30:16the responsibility
00:30:16In short
00:30:17it's his opinion
00:30:18Here you are
00:30:18Mrs. Reggiani
00:30:20but she thought
00:30:20that Paola Franchi
00:30:21could become
00:30:22the next one
00:30:23Mrs. Gucci
00:30:24hand
00:30:24I don't believe it
00:30:25a bit
00:30:26why Paola Franchi
00:30:26it wasn't
00:30:27the only one
00:30:28woman
00:30:29next to Maurizio
00:30:30a bit
00:30:30Why
00:30:31knowing
00:30:32the mentality
00:30:32by Maurizio
00:30:33I really don't think so
00:30:34that he had
00:30:34desire to remarry
00:30:35for the second time
00:30:36so she
00:30:37he tells me that
00:30:38he didn't see
00:30:39this Mrs. Franchi
00:30:40like a rival
00:30:41No
00:30:42in the manner
00:30:42most absolute
00:30:43because she knows
00:30:44that the presence
00:30:45by Paola Franchi
00:30:46next to her husband
00:30:47it was considered
00:30:49one of the motives
00:30:50fundamentals
00:30:51that is, triggering
00:30:52of his decision
00:30:53to give a mandate
00:30:54I really don't think so
00:30:55because her husband
00:30:55if he were a son
00:30:56I really don't think so
00:30:57here I am
00:30:58anyway I have to say
00:30:59that at the trial
00:31:00Lawyer Franchini
00:31:01which was
00:31:02legal trust
00:31:03by Maurizio Gucci
00:31:04he testified
00:31:05that as far as
00:31:06to his knowledge
00:31:07Maurizio
00:31:08he had none
00:31:09intention
00:31:10to marry
00:31:10Paola Franchi
00:31:11had instead
00:31:13intention
00:31:14to protect her
00:31:15economically
00:31:16Yes
00:31:17impossible
00:31:18listen madam
00:31:19Patricia
00:31:20can I ask a question
00:31:23she had an affection
00:31:25a love
00:31:26for several years
00:31:27after the separation
00:31:31it was another
00:31:32of the reasons
00:31:33for which
00:31:33I couldn't have
00:31:34to be jealous
00:31:35of Mrs. Franchi
00:31:36In short
00:31:37everyone had
00:31:38his life
00:31:38moreover
00:31:39my partner
00:31:41he still follows me now
00:31:42so it wasn't
00:31:43a love
00:31:44a love affair
00:31:45it was a story
00:31:47it's a story
00:31:50listen Mrs. Patrizia
00:31:51we said
00:31:52anyway about this
00:31:53his widespread malaise
00:31:55that he still carried it
00:31:56to talk too much
00:31:58with your Maurizio
00:31:58Here you are
00:32:00naturally
00:32:00of what she defined
00:32:01an obsession
00:32:03she
00:32:04that is, that of wanting
00:32:05that her husband disappeared
00:32:07let's say
00:32:08Here you are
00:32:09she also talked to her friend
00:32:11Pina Auriemma
00:32:11yes certainly
00:32:13Obviously
00:32:13more to her
00:32:15more than with all the others
00:32:16because with her
00:32:17he could also use
00:32:18a speech
00:32:20a little more colorful
00:32:20of words
00:32:21a little more like this
00:32:22in fact Auriemma
00:32:23he supported
00:32:24that she has been doing for years
00:32:26but he asked her
00:32:27to find her a killer
00:32:30Here you are
00:32:30she for years
00:32:31he asked Auriemma
00:32:32for 6-7 years even
00:32:34and that this obsession of his
00:32:35would have become
00:32:37paroxysmal
00:32:38after brain surgery
00:32:39let's let him say it
00:32:41listen Mrs. Patrizia
00:32:42it results from the documents
00:32:44that since September 94
00:32:46until April 95
00:32:48Pina Auriemma precisely
00:32:49he moved to Milan
00:32:50Yes
00:32:51even precisely
00:32:53she said it
00:32:54he hosts her in the hotel
00:32:55Certainly
00:32:55Here you are
00:32:57she was writing this
00:32:58book
00:32:59a book
00:33:00in which I was speaking
00:33:02of my great love
00:33:04and then how this love of mine
00:33:05it ended
00:33:06some mistakes
00:33:07that this
00:33:07of the character
00:33:09of this great love
00:33:10had committed
00:33:11etc. etc.
00:33:12his story
00:33:13my story
00:33:14this tale
00:33:15Here you are
00:33:15and then she
00:33:16bring Auriemma
00:33:17Why?
00:33:18after the operation
00:33:19unfortunately one of the things
00:33:20that I have been diagnosed with
00:33:22that of memory
00:33:23I didn't have any more now
00:33:24then with the excuse
00:33:26that Pina wanted
00:33:27leave
00:33:28Naples
00:33:28because of these debts
00:33:30who had
00:33:30I told him
00:33:31listen, do something
00:33:32come on
00:33:33so you help me
00:33:34since you have lived
00:33:35the whole Gucci affair
00:33:36and the story of our love
00:33:38help me lay out
00:33:39this book
00:33:39and she came
00:33:41so in exchange
00:33:42of his help
00:33:43let's say so
00:33:44literary
00:33:45I was hosting him
00:33:46in the hotel
00:33:47In short
00:33:47a mnemonic aid
00:33:48let's say
00:33:49Exactly
00:33:49Here you are
00:33:50Therefore
00:33:50it's the Auriemma
00:33:51so it comes
00:33:52and leaves Naples
00:33:53Yes
00:33:55leaves Naples
00:33:56by force
00:33:56because if not
00:33:57it could have happened
00:33:59something bad
00:34:00at least this
00:34:00that's how much she
00:34:01he implied
00:34:02Why?
00:34:02don't make us understand
00:34:03because practically
00:34:04Pina had started
00:34:07this activity of his
00:34:08in which
00:34:10they brought them
00:34:11these clothes
00:34:12of tailoring
00:34:13this is that
00:34:14that she was dealing
00:34:15and that she
00:34:16he was reselling
00:34:16at some prices
00:34:18practically torn to pieces
00:34:19and then I knew
00:34:20that she
00:34:21as it has always been
00:34:22a woman
00:34:23extremely generous
00:34:24he gave these clothes of his
00:34:26on account
00:34:27I count
00:34:28on consignment
00:34:30Yes
00:34:30on consignment
00:34:31I'm not enough
00:34:32and I don't even know
00:34:33the memory
00:34:35on consignment
00:34:36to these ladies
00:34:37she was right
00:34:38of Naples
00:34:39that many times
00:34:40as he knew
00:34:41on credit
00:34:42yes on credit
00:34:43and many times
00:34:44these ladies
00:34:44they didn't give them back to him
00:34:45for which
00:34:46come on today
00:34:46come on tomorrow
00:34:47I had
00:34:47it was created
00:34:48a debt
00:34:49quite strong
00:34:50of 150 million
00:34:53and then
00:34:54she told me
00:34:55I need
00:34:56absolutely
00:34:56Of
00:34:57that you grant me
00:34:59this loan
00:34:59because I have to repay
00:35:01these 150 million
00:35:02breast
00:35:03it can happen to me
00:35:04something bad
00:35:05Yes
00:35:05me first of all
00:35:07I have to remind you
00:35:08That
00:35:09Pina Auriemma
00:35:10he supported
00:35:12That
00:35:12his debts
00:35:14they were just
00:35:15of 70-80 million
00:35:16and that she
00:35:17he had asked her so much
00:35:18on loan
00:35:19to assemble it
00:35:20of debts
00:35:21of the Auriemma
00:35:21it wasn't 70-80 million
00:35:23as she always has
00:35:24supported
00:35:25in the course
00:35:25of the entire process
00:35:26but rather
00:35:27of 150 million
00:35:29Indeed
00:35:30the new element
00:35:31that we brought
00:35:32in support
00:35:32of the instances
00:35:33of revision
00:35:33of the process
00:35:34it consisted
00:35:36own
00:35:36in having traced
00:35:38documented
00:35:39and product
00:35:40what happened to me
00:35:41previously
00:35:42a list
00:35:43detailed
00:35:43and precise
00:35:44of checks
00:35:45and bills of exchange
00:35:46protested
00:35:47in chief
00:35:47the Auriemma
00:35:47same
00:35:48for an amount
00:35:49Exactly
00:35:50of 150 million
00:35:52moreover
00:35:53in the sentence
00:35:54first degree
00:35:55and in the sentence
00:35:56able
00:35:56of appeal
00:35:57just the lack
00:35:58correspondence
00:35:58between these two sums
00:36:00of 70-80 million
00:36:01and 150 million
00:36:02he denied
00:36:04credibility
00:36:05of the defense thesis
00:36:06on the loan
00:36:07by
00:36:07of Reggiani
00:36:08and then I told him
00:36:09you hear
00:36:10come to Milan
00:36:10and let's talk about it
00:36:12she came to Milan
00:36:13we talked about it
00:36:14and then I said
00:36:15you hear
00:36:15let's do something
00:36:16I don't know anything about it
00:36:17a lot of these things
00:36:18because you know
00:36:18as long as they are
00:36:195-6 million
00:36:20every now and again
00:36:21I got up to 10-11
00:36:23I can give those to you
00:36:24150 million
00:36:25then all at once
00:36:26It seems a bit excessive to me
00:36:28and Pina told me
00:36:28look I can give you
00:36:30of the checks
00:36:31dated posts
00:36:32and in fact
00:36:33then after
00:36:33she sent
00:36:34these checks
00:36:34but that
00:36:35me then
00:36:35I have never put
00:36:37to the collection
00:36:38for the accident
00:36:39what happened next
00:36:40the loan thesis
00:36:41it is confirmed
00:36:42from Auriemma herself
00:36:43where
00:36:44confirm that you have
00:36:45poured
00:36:46and delivered
00:36:47at Reggiani
00:36:49of the checks
00:36:50dated posts
00:36:50post-dated checks
00:36:51are released
00:36:53only and exclusively
00:36:54as collateral for a loan
00:36:56it's the first time
00:36:57that you see
00:36:57the release
00:36:58of post-dated checks
00:36:59as a guarantee
00:37:00of a down payment
00:37:01for a murder
00:37:02At that time
00:37:03this is his version
00:37:04of the facts
00:37:05this is mine
00:37:05version
00:37:05in hindsight
00:37:07I have to remind her
00:37:08Mrs. Reggiani
00:37:08that Pina Auriemma
00:37:09he supported
00:37:10that she
00:37:10borrowed money
00:37:12to repay
00:37:12his debts
00:37:13he never gave them any
00:37:15150 million
00:37:17he gave them to her
00:37:18but as an advance
00:37:19on the price
00:37:20that Lauriemma
00:37:21would have agreed
00:37:22on his mandate
00:37:23with his accomplices
00:37:25to organize
00:37:26the murder
00:37:27by Maurizio Gucci
00:37:27they are two truths
00:37:28in comparison
00:37:29In short
00:37:31the truth
00:37:32And
00:37:32let's say
00:37:33Anyway
00:37:34the one that procedurally
00:37:36was
00:37:37recognized
00:37:38And
00:37:39the judges
00:37:41they gave
00:37:41then reason
00:37:42to Lauriemma
00:37:42we'll see in the meantime
00:37:43how they took place
00:37:45the facts
00:37:46to find a hitman
00:37:48that kills
00:37:49Maurizio Gucci
00:37:49Pina Auriemma
00:37:50he is addressing
00:37:51to an old friend
00:37:51Ivano Savioni
00:37:5238 years old
00:37:53doorman of a small hotel
00:37:55of him
00:37:55Lauriemma
00:37:56he knows the difficulties
00:37:57economic
00:37:58and the attendance
00:37:59with people
00:37:59close to the underworld
00:38:02it's to Orazio Cicala
00:38:0456 years old
00:38:05a failed restaurateur
00:38:06and strangled
00:38:07from gambling debts
00:38:08which in turn
00:38:09Ivano Savioni
00:38:10he relies on
00:38:10why do you organize
00:38:11the crime
00:38:12500 million
00:38:13it's the figure
00:38:14requested by Cicala
00:38:15150 million immediately
00:38:16the rest
00:38:17after the murder is completed
00:38:19the keeper is needed
00:38:21Horace Cicala
00:38:22he finds it in March
00:38:23of 95
00:38:23It's Benedetto Ceraulo
00:38:2532 years old
00:38:26former worker
00:38:27of a chemical company
00:38:28it will be him
00:38:29that accompanied
00:38:30from Cicala himself
00:38:31March 27th
00:38:321995
00:38:33will explode
00:38:34against Maurizio Gucci
00:38:35the fatal blows
00:38:39Listen, Mrs. Patrizia
00:38:40in his heart
00:38:41and not only
00:38:42in his heart
00:38:43she had strongly
00:38:45wanted
00:38:45that Maurizio
00:38:46disappeared
00:38:47Here you are
00:38:48faced with this event
00:38:49what reaction did she have?
00:38:50did he have?
00:38:52Of great dismay
00:38:54And
00:38:56I felt
00:38:57really lost
00:38:59And
00:39:00I almost didn't have
00:39:01at the moment
00:39:02I didn't think anymore
00:39:03then I had
00:39:05and this
00:39:06I said it
00:39:06and I keep saying it
00:39:07a sense
00:39:08of deep
00:39:09relief
00:39:10because I said
00:39:11ah finally
00:39:11this one here
00:39:12he disappeared
00:39:12Listen, madam.
00:39:13in his agenda
00:39:14the day
00:39:15of death
00:39:15of her husband
00:39:16she noticed
00:39:18a word
00:39:19which then to judges
00:39:20she appeared
00:39:21significant
00:39:22Paradezos
00:39:23when I tell her
00:39:25that if bad luck
00:39:26it was fog
00:39:26I would be a bench
00:39:27of fog
00:39:28I'm not saying it's wrong
00:39:29then Paradezos
00:39:30refers to the fact
00:39:32which is a technique
00:39:33pictorial
00:39:34of trompe l'oeil
00:39:35what does it mean
00:39:36open gardens
00:39:37as the name
00:39:39I liked it
00:39:39in my megalomania
00:39:41I said
00:39:41I want to write it down
00:39:42because the next villa
00:39:44what I want to do
00:39:44I'll call her
00:39:46Paradezos
00:39:46and then
00:39:47I wrote it down there
00:39:49bad luck wanted
00:39:50that it was
00:39:50March 27th
00:39:52because she knows
00:39:53and of this then
00:39:54I'm getting 26 years old
00:39:56let's say it's not this
00:39:57the reason
00:39:58this is not
00:39:58anyway it's one
00:40:00it's one of the reasons
00:40:02of the sentence
00:40:03they certainly have
00:40:04the judges read
00:40:06they embroidered it on us
00:40:06they embroidered it on us
00:40:07judges do not embroider
00:40:08they evaluate
00:40:09but you see that she too
00:40:10you see that she too
00:40:11now he asks me
00:40:12of the word Paradezos
00:40:13I
00:40:14Mrs. Gucci
00:40:14I follow the proceedings
00:40:15of a process
00:40:16it's certain
00:40:16Madam, can I tell you something?
00:40:17Yes
00:40:18she claims
00:40:19to be innocent
00:40:21not innocent
00:40:22I already told him
00:40:23I am not guilty
00:40:24because I can't
00:40:25tell me I'm innocent
00:40:26of all the blunders
00:40:27who went around
00:40:28then I tell her
00:40:28which undoubtedly
00:40:29if she is anyway
00:40:30not guilty
00:40:31to follow his
00:40:32he gave it his all
00:40:33to be found guilty
00:40:35I don't know this
00:40:36this is not
00:40:37I don't feel right
00:40:38to say it's not true
00:40:39At that time
00:40:39I admit it
00:40:40having said that
00:40:41Mrs. Reggiani
00:40:42us at this point
00:40:43we must remember
00:40:44that history
00:40:45of this crime
00:40:46and the process
00:40:47what followed
00:40:49it is based
00:40:50on two versions
00:40:51of the facts
00:40:52opposed to each other
00:40:53the version
00:40:53who gave it
00:40:54Pina Auriemma
00:40:54which he reserved
00:40:56to herself
00:40:56the role
00:40:57of mediator
00:40:58and accused
00:40:59she to be
00:41:00the principal
00:41:01and his version
00:41:02Mrs. Reggiani
00:41:03on the basis of which
00:41:04she is a crime
00:41:05happened
00:41:06I am informed
00:41:07of the facts
00:41:08would have been informed
00:41:09and practically
00:41:10it would have been
00:41:11victim
00:41:11of blackmail
00:41:12of the Auriemma
00:41:13and his accomplices
00:41:14now I follow
00:41:15his version
00:41:17of the facts
00:41:18following his
00:41:19version
00:41:19of the facts
00:41:20at what time
00:41:21she learned
00:41:23That
00:41:24her husband
00:41:25it had been
00:41:26killed
00:41:27and that the crime
00:41:29and no
00:41:29that the crime
00:41:30it had been organized
00:41:31by Pina Auriemma
00:41:31and his accomplices
00:41:32a short time later
00:41:32he tells me
00:41:33you saw
00:41:33I already did it
00:41:34and then I say
00:41:35but you're crazy
00:41:37I do it
00:41:37and how did you do it
00:41:38Yes
00:41:38why the 150 million
00:41:40I needed them
00:41:41as a down payment
00:41:41for the murder
00:41:45and does
00:41:46but now
00:41:47there is something to pay
00:41:48why the murder
00:41:48very cushite
00:41:49and I told him
00:41:50and how much should I pay
00:41:52ago
00:41:52we want
00:41:53500 million
00:41:54and do it right away
00:41:55tough tough
00:41:57but in front
00:41:58to a friend
00:41:58dear let's say
00:41:59in which she then
00:42:00he has full confidence
00:42:01so much so that it is sung
00:42:02with her
00:42:02he keeps her as a guest
00:42:03he pays for the hotels
00:42:04that suddenly
00:42:06he pours it on her
00:42:07a murder
00:42:08and a blackmail
00:42:09Yes
00:42:10what does she do?
00:42:11how does he react?
00:42:12even more dismayed
00:42:13shocked twice
00:42:14because not only
00:42:15he threw it all over me
00:42:17the murder
00:42:18and the blackmail
00:42:19but he also threatened
00:42:20my daughters
00:42:21saying
00:42:22you want to go
00:42:23to report us?
00:42:24ago
00:42:24we don't care
00:42:26we have nothing
00:42:27to lose
00:42:27it's you who's called Gucci
00:42:29and then remember
00:42:30that as we have
00:42:30killed one
00:42:31we are also capable
00:42:32to kill you
00:42:33the other two
00:42:33how would she have reacted?
00:42:36I paid
00:42:37right away
00:42:39keeping quiet
00:42:44it's a personal question
00:42:46Certainly
00:42:46I would have gone
00:42:48to the police
00:42:48and I would have reported
00:42:49I do not
00:42:50I was too terrified
00:42:51yes because
00:42:53I found myself
00:42:55in front of
00:42:56a person
00:42:56totally changed
00:42:59totally changed
00:43:00of which truly
00:43:01I didn't realize
00:43:02that could be changed
00:43:04so much
00:43:05arrogant
00:43:07totally different
00:43:09Here you are
00:43:09Lady
00:43:10based on what she claims
00:43:12Pinaurimma
00:43:12organize the murder
00:43:14and he did it
00:43:15he submits it
00:43:15applied
00:43:17in these terms however
00:43:18Laurimma
00:43:19would have played
00:43:19a risky game
00:43:21Well yes
00:43:21risky with his accomplices
00:43:23Yes
00:43:23that is because practically
00:43:24if she didn't pay
00:43:25they killed Laurimma
00:43:26Here you are
00:43:27but Laurimma
00:43:28how he used to be
00:43:28so sure
00:43:29that she would pay
00:43:31threatening my daughters
00:43:33then touch me
00:43:34on that button
00:43:35she could take me away
00:43:36everything he wanted
00:43:37that is, on this button
00:43:39on this basis
00:43:39she would have convinced
00:43:40even the accomplices
00:43:41because then
00:43:41practically the accomplices
00:43:43this crime
00:43:44they did it in the dark
00:43:45what she
00:43:45he told his accomplices
00:43:47It's not up to me to know
00:43:48she tried
00:43:50to introduce myself
00:43:50these accomplices
00:43:51but it succeeded
00:43:52just for one
00:43:53Meaning what
00:43:54tell me
00:43:55This
00:43:55this of the
00:43:56Ivan Salvia
00:43:58Yes
00:43:58what does this hotel have?
00:44:00No?
00:44:00Of
00:44:00hotel cake pans
00:44:01so she met
00:44:03This
00:44:03Yes
00:44:03because practically
00:44:04what happened?
00:44:06that I intended
00:44:07to introduce
00:44:09Gucci
00:44:09In the
00:44:11in food
00:44:11In the
00:44:12in the department
00:44:13how do you say?
00:44:14edible
00:44:15Yes
00:44:15but listen
00:44:16I would have a friend of mine
00:44:17very large
00:44:18very big
00:44:18etc.
00:44:19which among other things
00:44:20And
00:44:20the husband
00:44:22of this mine
00:44:22partner
00:44:23etc.
00:44:23Like this
00:44:24that would need
00:44:25of a job
00:44:25and does
00:44:26you couldn't
00:44:27take on as a warehouseman
00:44:28after this
00:44:29Done
00:44:29I noticed
00:44:31that several times
00:44:31coming home
00:44:32I found myself in front of
00:44:34This
00:44:34yogi bear
00:44:35with this lady
00:44:37and they turned around
00:44:38and she the first time
00:44:39he told me
00:44:40ah let me introduce you
00:44:40this friend of mine
00:44:41Ivano Savioni
00:44:42Ivano Savioni
00:44:46practically
00:44:47she
00:44:48he tells me
00:44:49that meets
00:44:49sometimes
00:44:51with Pina Auriemma
00:44:52This
00:44:53Ivano Savioni
00:44:54And
00:44:55and that they are
00:44:56meetings
00:44:57in conclusion
00:44:58that are in some way
00:44:59propitiated
00:44:59by Pina Auriemma
00:45:00Yes
00:45:00Here you are
00:45:01At that time
00:45:01I ask you
00:45:02as he explains
00:45:04that Pina Auriemma
00:45:06made them meet
00:45:07this Ivano Savioni
00:45:08own
00:45:10I am trying to say
00:45:10one of the people
00:45:11with which then
00:45:13he ordered
00:45:13this plot
00:45:14criminal
00:45:15even to his detriment
00:45:15since then
00:45:16he would have blackmailed her
00:45:17how does he explain it?
00:45:18he is an accomplice
00:45:19he keeps it hidden
00:45:20he doesn't do it
00:45:21he knows
00:45:22no because probably
00:45:23he wanted to pull me in
00:45:24in what then
00:45:25she did
00:45:26pull her in
00:45:27what does it mean?
00:45:28drag me
00:45:28compromise them
00:45:29Meaning what
00:45:30to compromise myself
00:45:31I logically
00:45:32I have to remind you
00:45:33that instead
00:45:34Ivano Savioni
00:45:35at the trial
00:45:35he supported
00:45:36That
00:45:37you met
00:45:39that you met
00:45:40several times
00:45:40with and without
00:45:42Pina Auriemma
00:45:43but that your meetings
00:45:43they were finalized
00:45:45with a murderous plan
00:45:46I don't agree
00:45:47with him
00:45:47but rightly so
00:45:48everyone knows
00:45:48his version
00:45:49of effects
00:45:49I know
00:45:50Certain
00:45:51anyway I have to
00:45:52remind her that
00:45:53Savioni
00:45:53he said more
00:45:54against her
00:45:55he supported
00:45:56that she
00:45:56Mrs. Reggiani
00:45:57after giving
00:45:58through
00:45:58Lauriemma
00:45:59these 150 million
00:46:00in advance
00:46:01to organize
00:46:02the crime
00:46:03from the moment
00:46:04that didn't happen
00:46:04Nothing
00:46:05would have even
00:46:06overtaken
00:46:07Lauriemma
00:46:07he said
00:46:10that she
00:46:11Mrs. Reggiani
00:46:12would have asked
00:46:12just to him
00:46:13to Savioni
00:46:14to make them meet
00:46:15the other person
00:46:16I asked him
00:46:17Of
00:46:17Horace Cicala
00:46:23and that you would have
00:46:24met
00:46:25you three
00:46:25I can only say
00:46:26which is not true
00:46:27which is not true
00:46:28why Orazio Cicala
00:46:29the process
00:46:29she remembers it
00:46:30but of course
00:46:31but of course
00:46:31at a given moment
00:46:33they are all there
00:46:34months of agreement
00:46:34he supported
00:46:35he met her
00:46:36and supported
00:46:37that she
00:46:38he would have met her
00:46:39with Savioni
00:46:40that she
00:46:40a few days
00:46:41Before
00:46:42of the crime
00:46:43he would have paid him
00:46:4550 others
00:46:4650 million
00:46:47in advance
00:46:47urging a rapid
00:46:48case solution
00:46:49so she
00:46:50exclude having met
00:46:52Cicada
00:46:52I have never met
00:46:53this gentleman
00:46:54this is
00:46:55yes yes of course
00:46:56I should remind her
00:46:57what do we say?
00:46:58that's it
00:46:59they said
00:47:00Savioni and Cicala
00:47:01and unfortunately
00:47:02at the trial
00:47:03it really weighed
00:47:04it's three against one
00:47:05he posed just this
00:47:06it's three against one
00:47:07Savioni and Cicala
00:47:09they then
00:47:10confirmed
00:47:10the words
00:47:11by Laurimma
00:47:12but why
00:47:12Savioni and Cicala
00:47:15they had to
00:47:16to accuse
00:47:17she
00:47:18instead of Laurimma
00:47:20to be the instigator
00:47:21Meaning what
00:47:21what advantage
00:47:22procedural
00:47:23they would have had it
00:47:24so Laurimma
00:47:25I believe so well
00:47:26he had a good advantage of it
00:47:27go from principal
00:47:28a mediator
00:47:29as an intermediary
00:47:30there is a big difference
00:47:32I follow the advice
00:47:32of his lawyers
00:47:35I don't know then
00:47:36the speeches
00:47:37that they are
00:47:37occurred
00:47:38Between
00:47:46Cicada
00:47:47one thing
00:47:47that since
00:47:48I was
00:47:49putting
00:47:50this company
00:47:51Gucci Gourmet
00:47:52and since
00:47:54This
00:47:54Of
00:47:54this Cicada
00:47:56he had a restaurant
00:47:57who was jumping
00:47:58had just jumped
00:48:00etc.
00:48:00I can hypothesize
00:48:02that Laurimma
00:48:02as a good storyteller
00:48:04he said
00:48:04you hear
00:48:05you come with us
00:48:06make sure that in any case
00:48:07regardless of money
00:48:08that will come to you
00:48:09in
00:48:10I guarantee you
00:48:11a franchise
00:48:13that the lady
00:48:15will give you
00:48:15this Gucci
00:48:16Gucci Gourmet
00:48:18and then
00:48:19you will become
00:48:19one of the most famous
00:48:21of Brianza
00:48:22Therefore
00:48:22they would have been
00:48:23revolted against
00:48:24Yes
00:48:25but precisely
00:48:26the question
00:48:26that I
00:48:26I renew them
00:48:29and what advantage
00:48:31she says they had
00:48:32a procedural advantage
00:48:33strong
00:48:33No
00:48:34probably
00:48:35they had had
00:48:36they had been instilled in him
00:48:38of dreams
00:48:38like Laurimma
00:48:40he said
00:48:40Of
00:48:42delirium
00:48:43of omnipotence
00:48:44and then they found each other
00:48:45clearly
00:48:46with your ass on the ground
00:48:47and from here
00:48:47the claim
00:48:48against Mrs. Ricca
00:48:49that could have
00:48:50get out of it as best as possible
00:48:54that is, this is his
00:48:55version
00:48:55this is my version
00:48:56Indeed
00:48:56let's go back instead
00:48:57to the after
00:48:58after the tragedy
00:49:00Certain
00:49:00she psychologically
00:49:03Mrs. Reggiani
00:49:04how he lives it
00:49:05that period
00:49:06when she
00:49:07he is under blackmail
00:49:08she can imagine me
00:49:09the blackmail
00:49:10that regardless
00:49:11from my blackmail
00:49:12where I told her
00:49:12between grown-ups
00:49:13we face each other
00:49:15but with also
00:49:15the anguish
00:49:16that these madmen
00:49:18at this point
00:49:18they're just crazy
00:49:19they could also
00:49:20take it out on my daughters
00:49:22so my
00:49:23it was a double anguish
00:49:25try to keep
00:49:26my daughters
00:49:26unaware of everything
00:49:27my family
00:49:29I speak clearly
00:49:30of my mother
00:49:30unaware of everything
00:49:31my partner
00:49:32unaware of everything
00:49:33it was a boulder
00:49:35unsustainable
00:49:36in that period
00:49:37the mother was
00:49:38always particularly
00:49:39agitated
00:49:40nervous
00:49:41he showed feelings
00:49:43that for me
00:49:43they were very strange
00:49:44in particular
00:49:45when I went out
00:49:47and above all
00:49:47when I came back home
00:49:49he filled me with questions
00:49:51like where have you been
00:49:52what did you do
00:49:54who did you come home with?
00:49:55and above all
00:49:56I saw
00:49:57in her
00:49:58on my return home
00:49:59a sigh of relief
00:50:00as finally
00:50:01you came home
00:50:02In the
00:50:03after tragedy
00:50:06she exactly
00:50:07he was under blackmail
00:50:07she had bowed to blackmail
00:50:09moment
00:50:09moment
00:50:10At that time
00:50:11the blackmail has begun
00:50:13then at a certain point
00:50:14summer is coming
00:50:15and then
00:50:16Pina told me
00:50:17unfortunately I
00:50:18I don't know
00:50:18I don't know
00:50:20the Neapolitan
00:50:21ago
00:50:21I'm here
00:50:22I have to keep an eye on you
00:50:23because if you're crazy
00:50:24I don't know here
00:50:26I want to come
00:50:27me on a cruise too
00:50:28so this is it
00:50:28the explanation
00:50:29that she gives
00:50:30and essentially
00:50:32she succeeded
00:50:33to win me back
00:50:34because after a certain point
00:50:36with these of his
00:50:39downplaying
00:50:40she almost managed to tell me
00:50:41okay now
00:50:42thing done
00:50:43let's put it behind us
00:50:44she knows
00:50:47Lady
00:50:48Gucci
00:50:49that this attendance
00:50:50assiduous
00:50:51cordial
00:50:52between her and Laurimma
00:50:53it was then considered
00:50:54irreconcilable
00:50:54by the judges
00:50:55for two people
00:50:56one of which
00:50:57she was being blackmailed
00:50:58the blackmailed one
00:50:58and the other
00:50:59the blackmailer
00:51:00as well as the judges
00:51:02they evaluated
00:51:03in negative terms
00:51:04towards him
00:51:05logically
00:51:06the tone
00:51:07the heat
00:51:08as well as the frequency
00:51:09telephone contacts
00:51:10between her
00:51:11and Pina Aurimma
00:51:12after the crime
00:51:13logically
00:51:14she knows that
00:51:15logically
00:51:15immediately after the crime
00:51:16your telephone number
00:51:18it was put under control
00:51:20and the judges gave
00:51:21a specific weight
00:51:23to the phone call
00:51:23intercepted
00:51:24September 21st
00:51:25of 1995
00:51:26during which
00:51:28Pina Aurimma
00:51:29he regrets it with her
00:51:31that his debts
00:51:32they're still there
00:51:33because she
00:51:34Mrs. Reggiani
00:51:35he hadn't wanted to lend her
00:51:36those 70-80 million
00:51:38that they needed
00:51:39Here you are
00:51:40then excuse me
00:51:41Mrs. Reggiani
00:51:42but if as she claims
00:51:44those famous ones
00:51:44150 million
00:51:46to Pina Aurimma
00:51:47he had given them
00:51:47to level out
00:51:48his debts
00:51:49and not to pay
00:51:51the advance payment
00:51:52for the murder
00:51:53because she
00:51:54he didn't reply
00:51:55why didn't he tell her
00:51:58but I gave them to you
00:51:59this money
00:51:59but when ever
00:52:00very simply
00:52:01for the fact that
00:52:03since we knew
00:52:04both
00:52:04that we had
00:52:05the users
00:52:08under control
00:52:09you supposed it
00:52:09no no no
00:52:10Pina gave it to me
00:52:11just for certain
00:52:13remember that
00:52:14this is certain
00:52:15when I
00:52:16following information
00:52:18taken
00:52:19from these people
00:52:20that I knew
00:52:20and what they had told me
00:52:22look what they've aimed for
00:52:23I remember this word
00:52:24Pina pointed
00:52:26I immediately
00:52:27I clearly have
00:52:28the lady reported
00:52:29look what they've pointed at you
00:52:31and the lady
00:52:32yes it is naturally
00:52:34absolutely not
00:52:35I don't have to focus on it
00:52:36so what do we do?
00:52:38I'll take care of it
00:52:39I will do it for you
00:52:40certain questions
00:52:41And you
00:52:42you don't say
00:52:42nor anything
00:52:43nor what
00:52:44you just have to say
00:52:45but yes
00:52:46Perhaps
00:52:47Like this
00:52:47make sure I explain to you
00:52:49that you
00:52:49you haven't got me yet
00:52:50given this money
00:52:52and that I find myself
00:52:53still in all these troubles
00:52:55so that
00:52:55even if the police
00:52:56he pointed at me
00:52:57absolutely can't
00:52:58come to me
00:52:59because you
00:53:00you didn't lend me
00:53:01no money
00:53:02Here you are
00:53:03now always following
00:53:04his version of the facts
00:53:05she
00:53:06at what time
00:53:07at what point
00:53:08she realizes
00:53:09that that blackmail
00:53:10would have had a horizon
00:53:11without borders
00:53:12that would never end
00:53:14and well
00:53:14when the blackmail
00:53:15he introduced himself to me
00:53:16the second time
00:53:17that is when I thought
00:53:18now that I'm done
00:53:19All
00:53:21the payment
00:53:22and what a Pina
00:53:23it comes back to me
00:53:23500 million
00:53:25and what a Pina
00:53:26I get my energy back
00:53:27saying we need
00:53:28of another 100 million
00:53:29and this is just the beginning
00:53:30then you
00:53:31what does he do?
00:53:32from these 100 million
00:53:34from these 100 million
00:53:35saying at this point
00:53:36but the end
00:53:37but immediately
00:53:38the request comes
00:53:39up to a pipe
00:53:40because I want you
00:53:41you know my accomplices
00:53:42because I'm fed up
00:53:43to be a postman
00:53:44that goes on
00:53:45and back
00:53:45Here you are
00:53:46she these 100 million
00:53:47Excuse me
00:53:47he always gives them through
00:53:48Pina Uriamme
00:53:49Always
00:53:49Here you are
00:53:50and then what does he do?
00:53:51she
00:53:52On the contrary
00:53:52I have to remind you of something
00:53:54that needs to be said
00:53:54that Pina Uriamme
00:53:56at the trial he supported
00:53:57of having begged her
00:53:58for her to pay
00:53:59this other money
00:54:00why telling her
00:54:02which practically
00:54:03she was terrified
00:54:04for herself
00:54:05and for her
00:54:05because if you
00:54:07you didn't speak
00:54:08they skinned you
00:54:09they were skinning her
00:54:10to Uriamme
00:54:10to her
00:54:11this he said
00:54:12to Uriamme
00:54:12of having begged her
00:54:13is this lady true?
00:54:15in her opinion
00:54:15but I ask you the question
00:54:18and I answer myself
00:54:19so she
00:54:20give these 100 million
00:54:22to Pina Uriamme
00:54:23who delivers them
00:54:25saying
00:54:26look, these though
00:54:27they are the last ones
00:54:27because I with this
00:54:28I'm closing
00:54:29but she at the same time
00:54:30do another one
00:54:30I wrote a letter
00:54:32that I delivered
00:54:32to my notary
00:54:34saying
00:54:34this one is to be opened
00:54:36just in case
00:54:37something happened
00:54:38to me
00:54:39or to my daughters
00:54:40and what was written there
00:54:41in this ticket?
00:54:42in the letter
00:54:43it was practically written there
00:54:44that everything had been
00:54:45organized
00:54:46by Pina Uriamme
00:54:48I must remember
00:54:49that not
00:54:49it had value
00:54:51absolutely
00:54:51no not at all
00:54:52because since it was
00:54:54carelessly opened
00:54:55and then
00:54:56the moment when
00:54:58a ticket comes
00:54:58open
00:54:59it no longer has value
00:55:00at least at that point
00:55:02it doesn't occur to her
00:55:03to go to the police
00:55:04I was no longer a logical person
00:55:05I was a terrified person
00:55:06in a gear
00:55:07bigger than me
00:55:08but I think anyone
00:55:10in my situation
00:55:11he would have acted like me
00:55:12no ma'am
00:55:12I am convinced of it
00:55:14why are you looking
00:55:15cautiously
00:55:16I tried to find out
00:55:17from other people
00:55:18saying
00:55:19but if you find yourselves
00:55:20you were to find yourselves
00:55:21and everyone told me
00:55:22I
00:55:22shut up moss
00:55:24Gentleman
00:55:24I am convinced
00:55:25to one thing
00:55:26I hardly
00:55:27I say
00:55:28when I work
00:55:29but in this case
00:55:30I say it
00:55:30I am convinced
00:55:31to one thing
00:55:32that if the truth
00:55:34that's what she's telling
00:55:35if she
00:55:36had reported
00:55:37the blackmail
00:55:37us today
00:55:38instead of talking to us
00:55:39in San Vittore
00:55:40we would talk to each other
00:55:40in the beautiful living room
00:55:41of his beautiful house
00:55:42she convinced me
00:55:43I'll tell you something
00:55:44since this
00:55:46which they have implemented
00:55:48this conspiracy
00:55:48which they have implemented
00:55:49if I had gone too
00:55:51to say
00:55:51gentlemen
00:55:52At that time
00:55:52I didn't give
00:55:54no mandate
00:55:54but
00:55:55he was killed
00:55:57Maurizio Gucci
00:55:57with these terms
00:55:58etc.
00:55:59At that time
00:55:59I had gone
00:56:00the same around
00:56:01to say
00:56:01that I wanted him dead
00:56:03the same thing
00:56:04which came back to me now
00:56:06it would be me
00:56:07would have represented itself
00:56:08At that time
00:56:08with rather
00:56:09these here
00:56:10that they would have
00:56:10more embittered
00:56:11against me
00:56:12because it was me
00:56:13that I had reported them
00:56:14thing that
00:56:15in my opinion
00:56:16they thought
00:56:17when the complaint
00:56:18it was done
00:56:19because they
00:56:20they decided
00:56:20to speak
00:56:21because they thought
00:56:22that I had
00:56:23spoke first
00:56:24this is his opinion
00:56:26this is my opinion
00:56:27At that time
00:56:27Mrs. Gianni
00:56:28the process
00:56:29we said
00:56:29as we know
00:56:30we said
00:56:31it was celebrated
00:56:32on the basis
00:56:32of the counterposition
00:56:33will make his own version
00:56:34of the facts
00:56:35that of Pinaurimma
00:56:36Now
00:56:36Laurimma
00:56:37besides accusing her
00:56:38to be the instigator
00:56:40he told the judges
00:56:40that she
00:56:42through a companion
00:56:43in prison
00:56:44he made her come
00:56:45the proposal
00:56:46to give her
00:56:47two billion
00:56:48and golden cells
00:56:50if
00:56:50she
00:56:51Pinaurimma
00:56:52had taken on
00:56:53to responsibility
00:56:54of the crime
00:56:55that is, to be the principal
00:56:56when the lady
00:56:58he proposed to me
00:56:59through a person
00:57:00the figure
00:57:01the figure
00:57:02of two billion
00:57:02if I
00:57:04I had
00:57:06if I were
00:57:07assumed
00:57:07all the
00:57:08the responsibility
00:57:13then
00:57:14Here you are
00:57:15I decided
00:57:15to speak
00:57:16the proposal
00:57:16How did it happen?
00:57:18through a ticket
00:57:19and the ticket
00:57:20Where?
00:57:21don't tell me
00:57:22that Laurimma
00:57:22in all this
00:57:23panegyric
00:57:24he didn't hold
00:57:25a ticket
00:57:26that would have given me
00:57:26nailed
00:57:27like a butterfly
00:57:28Anyway
00:57:30let's say
00:57:30she
00:57:31these two billion
00:57:31and golden cells
00:57:32he didn't do it to her
00:57:33this proposal
00:57:34to buy
00:57:35to buy them
00:57:36in silence?
00:57:36in silence
00:57:37but in the manner
00:57:37most absolute
00:57:38because I don't need it
00:57:39to buy anyone
00:57:40I'm 26 years old
00:57:41I'll be 26 years old
00:57:42now let's hope
00:57:43what a miracle
00:57:44let it happen
00:57:44I don't need it
00:57:45to buy anyone
00:57:46I the truth
00:57:47I don't buy it
00:57:48I know
00:57:49what I did
00:57:50and what I didn't do
00:57:51Mrs. Patricia
00:57:53who witnessed
00:57:54at the trial
00:57:54he saw
00:57:56constantly
00:57:58tenderly
00:57:58present
00:57:59in the classroom
00:58:00his mother
00:58:02and his
00:58:03daughters
00:58:05they are
00:58:06always jokes
00:58:07they continue to fight
00:58:09for it to be recognized
00:58:10his innocence
00:58:12and they asked for her
00:58:13the review
00:58:13of the process
00:58:15and they are very close
00:58:17to these children
00:58:17very much
00:58:18if I didn't have them
00:58:19probably
00:58:20I would have already given up everything
00:58:22at the moment in which
00:58:23he passed away
00:58:24our father
00:58:25it was a big loss
00:58:26for us
00:58:27and then
00:58:29if we had
00:58:31had the minimum
00:58:32doubt
00:58:33of the fact that
00:58:34the mother
00:58:35he was not innocent
00:58:36or anyway
00:58:38we knew
00:58:39that the mother
00:58:40Truly
00:58:41is
00:58:43the principal
00:58:44of that
00:58:45what happened
00:58:46Surely
00:58:47we wouldn't have been there
00:58:49behave
00:58:49Surely
00:58:50we wouldn't have it
00:58:51defense
00:58:51how are we doing?
00:58:52defending now
00:58:53with the heat
00:58:54probably
00:58:56we wouldn't have stayed
00:58:57so united
00:58:58Mrs. Gianni
00:58:59the deprivation
00:59:00of freedom
00:59:01it's a condition
00:59:02unnatural
00:59:03painful
00:59:05and very difficult
00:59:06to face
00:59:06for anyone
00:59:09a woman like her
00:59:10Pretty
00:59:11rich
00:59:11elegant
00:59:12which has always had
00:59:13all the best
00:59:14of life
00:59:14lived to the fullest
00:59:16levels
00:59:16of luxury
00:59:18of pomp
00:59:19how did it happen?
00:59:20how does he manage
00:59:21to face
00:59:22an experience
00:59:22so arduous
00:59:23because how
00:59:24I said it
00:59:25Before
00:59:25I don't consider myself
00:59:27innocent
00:59:28I consider myself
00:59:29not guilty
00:59:29but in the not guilty
00:59:31I have to admit
00:59:32of having done
00:59:33too many mistakes
00:59:35and then
00:59:36in a certain sense
00:59:38there's like a
00:59:39resignation
00:59:39in me
00:59:40if I have to pay
00:59:41I pay
00:59:42what should I do
00:59:43tell me
00:59:44how can you get out
00:59:45from a nightmare
00:59:46of the genre
00:59:46tell me
01:00:02Thank you all.
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