Il 2 novembre del 1975 moriva Pier Paolo Pasolini. A quasi vent'anni dal delitto, Pino Pelosi, condannato per l'omicidio dello scrittore e regista, si concede alle telecamere. Franca Leosini raccoglie la prima delle sue testimonianze, che nel tempo avrebbero restituito versioni diverse di un caso ancora oggi irrisolto.
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00:00I have to go back poor, unknown, a boy, I don't really know how to be a father, a master.
00:11My influence, my fame is ridiculous.
00:15Father, what's happening to me?
00:58Father, what's happening to me?
01:01Father, what's happening to me?
01:32The writer's body lies face down with one arm folded under his chest, his sternum and some ribs broken, the
01:40broken fingers, a swollen face, a detached left auricle and a series of transverse wounds to the head,
01:48in the back and lower abdomen.
01:50Pools of blood scattered everywhere on the surrounding ground and the man's shirt abandoned about twenty meters away
01:57at the door of a sports field, they testify that Pasolini was violently involved in a fight, at the end of which
02:05he was crushed by the wheels of a car.
02:13Within this terrible scenario, just one meter away from the body, evidence is also collected that will allow the
02:19investigators to frame the murderer.
02:23The kind of people I love the most by far are people who possibly haven't even done
02:31the fourth grade, that is, absolutely simple people but don't put rhetoric in this statement of mine, I don't
02:40I say this rhetorically, I say this because the petty-bourgeois culture, at least in my country, but perhaps also in France and
02:47In Spain, it is something that always leads to corruption and impurities.
02:51Then he finds himself at a very high level of culture, but average culture is always corrupting.
02:58At 1.30 in the morning the Carabinieri of the nearby Ostia Lido barracks arrested a 17-year-old youth
03:05who was driving at high speed and in the wrong direction along the Duilio coast aboard a stolen Alfa GT.
03:12While he was being taken to the police station, the young man continued to complain that he had lost a valuable ring in the car.
03:18with a red stone, begging them to look for him.
03:21The magistrate and the police, informed of the fact, rush to the juvenile prison of Casal del Marmo, where the young man is being held.
03:28under arrest, and they show him the ring.
03:30The boy immediately breaks down and confesses, it was me.
03:35Pasolini's murderer is called Giuseppe Pelosi, he is 17 years old.
03:40He lives with his family in the Tiburtino neighborhood.
03:43He is a boy from Borgata, already known to the police for previous thefts.
03:49According to his version of events, the crime was the result of a sexual provocation carried out by Pasolini.
03:55and from a subsequent physical attack to which the boy reacted in self-defense,
04:00violently hitting the writer, first with a stick, then with a wooden board.
04:06While Pasolini remained on the ground, gasping for breath, the boy then fled on board the victim's Alfa GT,
04:12without realizing that he had hit him and without even realizing that the man was dead.
04:19I see before me a painful and increasingly uglier world.
04:23I have no hope, so I don't even picture a future world for myself.
04:27The word hope has been completely erased from my vocabulary.
04:30I no longer have those hopes that are alibis, that's all.
04:35The dynamics of the murder reported by Pelosi immediately appear to be lacking in many respects
04:40and above all it does not match some fundamental data found by the expert reports.
04:45In the assize court trial which takes place behind closed doors due to the defendant's minority,
04:50These contradictions will lead the judges to deem Pelosi's version not credible.
04:56The mitigating circumstances of provocation and physical assault were rejected.
04:59and only that of minority was recognized,
05:03Giuseppe Pelosi was sentenced to nine years and seven months in prison.
05:07for the crime of aggravated voluntary homicide in conjunction with unknown persons.
05:12For the judges of the assize court, there is in fact proof that that night, in Ostia, Pelosi was not alone.
05:20The Court of Assizes of Appeal and the Court of Cassation
05:23they subsequently confirmed the first instance sentence,
05:27recognizing the malicious nature of the crime,
05:29but excluding the possibility of stating with certainty
05:32that Giuseppe Pelosi acted in conjunction with unknown persons.
05:37Giuseppe Pelosi has finished serving his sentence
05:40for the murder of Pierpaolo Pasolini in 1984.
05:44To Romone, sing us a song from your time, sing us.
05:49Rome has disappeared.
05:50Roma is gone, I'm here.
05:52You that one, but?
05:53Which one? This one?
05:55But what is not explained by the gold above?
05:56Oh no, it's a pineapple.
05:58Don't have a pineapple?
05:59No, no, you look more alike.
06:04But then you don't want those bricks?
06:06Me too here, they're fine, see?
06:08Do them a little more below.
06:10Oh well, oh well, it's your house.
06:13But he doesn't want to, but the bricks here, how are they going?
06:15They're fine.
06:16Huh?
06:17Be gentle with your walls with that little one.
06:22I'm clear.
06:24But this is the first one, look.
06:25Huh?
06:30When are you finishing?
06:31Are you coming to see her a bit, Pino?
06:32Yes, but now.
06:33Why do I see her there?
06:35You turn.
06:36Huh?
06:39Look a little more.
06:41Yes, but if it's too slow.
06:46Look a little more.
06:46Look a little more.
06:47I'll put a little black on it.
06:48Wait.
06:49I'll put a little black on it.
06:50What do you say no?
06:51I'll put some black of this in there.
06:52Yes, tell me a little black.
06:54It gives me some color.
06:57Suck it.
06:57With the col col, with the mash.
06:59There is some with the mash.
07:00But this is it, but it's big.
07:02But it was Saint Peter.
07:03I watched it that...
07:04And cut it, he finished.
07:06What's the deal, go here.
07:07Romoletto, Romoletto, it has been done.
07:09Give it a try, give it to yourself.
07:12So, what do you want?
07:13Sing us a song, sing.
07:15Is there?
07:16Fantastic.
07:17Florin, small flower, tied.
07:18With love, the little flower.
07:20Near you.
07:22They're big.
07:23And this is big too.
07:24Oh well, let's leave it like this.
07:26Brush, brush.
07:26We are on the threshold of the twentieth anniversary of Pierpaolo Pasolini's death.
07:30It is a painful anniversary that will inevitably bring her into play too.
07:36She is now twenty years away.
07:39What is your relationship with Pino Pelosi, Pierpaolo Pasolini's murderer?
07:45What is your relationship?
07:47It's a relationship...
07:49A relationship, let's say...
07:52But is it how I was before or how I am now?
07:58Have you distanced yourself from Pino Pelosi, Pasolini's murderer?
08:03Or does he look like that guy who committed that crime?
08:07No, I definitely will have distanced myself.
08:10But even when distancing ourselves, the reference is always the same.
08:18Wherever it goes, that's always the reference point.
08:21I would like to distance myself, I would like to change completely.
08:24But even if I don't remember it, they always remind me.
08:29So I think I'll always carry it with me.
08:32Like a curse.
08:36Pelosi, you have always refused to recognize yourself in the model of the street boy,
08:42described many times by Pierpaolo Pasolini.
08:44So, how do you say what kind of boy he was?
08:47Eh, street boy I don't know what I mean,
08:49why so many people give interpretation,
08:53others give other interpretations.
08:54A street boy, as I mean it, a distracted life, that is,
08:57no, distracted and in the context of homosexuality, etc., etc.
09:02I mean life, that is, you practically live on the street,
09:05you commit crimes because you are 17, maybe you are not that mature,
09:11you commit little crimes, so to speak.
09:13Here, I mean guys like that, yeah,
09:16as other people say, as they have tried to say falsehood and meanness,
09:22no, absolutely not.
09:24Well, she, then tells me, I don't recognize that boy of life,
09:28I committed petty crimes, because at 17 you commit petty crimes,
09:31but that's not true, not all 17-year-olds commit crimes.
09:36Well, let's say, let's say that in the environment in which I lived,
09:40the Borgata, Casal Bruciato, Tiburtino,
09:44most of the boys certainly committed the little crimes,
09:47even a crime, let's say, stealing the saint, 14 years old, little crimes.
09:51This is why his relationship with transpression began very early.
09:55Yes, very soon, because, always the same old things,
09:59that one has the bicycle, you don't have it, you go and steal it,
10:02that one has the scooter, you don't have it, go steal it.
10:07Let's say, the environment itself, is so, so, so immature.
10:13So do you remember the first crime exactly?
10:17The first crime I committed or the first crime I committed?
10:20First crime, when did you steal for the first time?
10:24The first time a car.
10:25I stole a car.
10:27I stole a car and...
10:29the restart of Burtina station.
10:33I wasn't familiar with it, I knew how to wear it, in theory, but in practice I had never worn it.
10:38In fact I arrived on the three roads, an area here on Burtina,
10:44we were a mini-mino, there were three of us.
10:46The clutch slipped, I took a car,
10:49and the owner of the other car got out,
10:51and he said, one moment, one moment, we escaped under three,
10:54we left the car.
10:55How old was she?
10:56I was 15 years old there.
10:59And what impression did it make on you, well, the first time,
11:02your first time in prison?
11:05It was an impression, let's say,
11:08I understood a lot, I didn't understand a lot,
11:10but it seemed ugly to me,
11:11because I found myself inside a large cell,
11:14they were two communicating cells,
11:16there were six, seven of us,
11:18of which two or three were minors.
11:20I had a very, very bad time.
11:23It was bad.
11:24Don't say too much bad things, then,
11:25if he then continued to commit crimes.
11:28Okay, that's part of it,
11:31it's part, that time I was innocent, surely,
11:34I have been innocent on other occasions too.
11:36Always innocent.
11:37But they were petty crimes.
11:38Reatucci.
11:39Reatucci.
11:39But for her it's normal, that's all.
11:40But why did he steal?
11:43What was she missing?
11:46But what was I missing?
11:48But it was definitely the environment,
11:51It was the environment I lived in.
11:54You think we lived inside a house
11:56that we were 12-13 people,
12:00divided into four rooms,
12:02there was also a garden,
12:04there were 12-13 of us,
12:06make him elbow his way in there.
12:08Once upon a time, one family ate,
12:10the other time another family was eating,
12:11anyway, that's how we were, heartfelt.
12:13But didn't your dad work?
12:14How he worked, yes, he worked.
12:16So she didn't miss it?
12:17No, he never, never ate it.
12:19But it wasn't there.
12:20My mother also worked.
12:22My mother worked in a clothing factory,
12:25type of sales assistant,
12:26and he also went to clean,
12:27that is, cleaning,
12:28for this lady.
12:29So this very necessity of life was not there?
12:33No, no, I went to school,
12:34rather, when I was doing badly,
12:36I also went to do supply teaching,
12:37to pay my mother.
12:39So he stole out of a certain vocation,
12:41a little bit of nonsense?
12:44Let's say yes,
12:45it wasn't stealing for profit,
12:48for so much profit,
12:50maybe for a few more bucks like that,
12:52to buy something more than what we had,
12:54that we had little.
12:57Listen, Pelosi,
12:59besides stealing,
13:00was she a prostitute?
13:02No, never.
13:03Never?
13:04Never.
13:05She, for example,
13:06it has areas like those which are then the areas,
13:09which were also the typical areas of prostitution,
13:13like the area around the Colosseum,
13:15Square of the Five Hundred,
13:17didn't she frequent these areas?
13:18No, never.
13:19Colosseum, indeed,
13:20own,
13:20Colosseum never, never, never.
13:22Square of the Five Hundred
13:23It was a coincidence that evening,
13:25because I went to see a movie
13:28and Piazza di Setra has them,
13:30guaranteed to all police cars,
13:32it seems to me,
13:32with Maria Titta Trasteve,
13:34there was a chance meeting,
13:37Unfortunately,
13:38with Pasolini.
13:39So she, here,
13:40he didn't know these areas,
13:41he didn't know what was going on in these areas,
13:44who frequented them, for example?
13:46But I was only a few years old,
13:47It's not that I was that big.
13:48How old was she?
13:49I was 17 years old.
13:50So, coming back here to these areas typical of prostitution,
13:56or in any case areas that are somewhat ambiguously frequented,
14:00Here you are,
14:01she doesn't remember what they were like,
14:02Who frequented them?
14:04Oh yes, it's obvious,
14:04because we have,
14:05the gentleman who gave his eye for the badà,
14:07We see.
14:08Tell me about them,
14:09what were they like twenty years ago?
14:12There were fewer people,
14:14there were certainly fewer people,
14:16there were still,
14:16there were some foreigners,
14:17but there were few of them,
14:18but Termini station is overrun with foreigners.
14:21There were stalls,
14:22some Neapolitans sold the ribbons,
14:25people coming and going.
14:28Then?
14:29Prostitution?
14:30Prostitution, yes,
14:31that is, something could be seen,
14:32but little.
14:33Now it's more,
14:34let's say,
14:34disgraced,
14:35let's say this word,
14:36now he's more of a disgrace,
14:36At first it was difficult to see.
14:38A,
14:38to know where,
14:40or was inside that environment
14:42or it had rung.
14:44What does "scampanato" mean?
14:46Smart,
14:46already savvy,
14:48a little more,
14:49who could understand things immediately,
14:51at first a bit like he looked at something,
14:52he could understand her.
14:52Wasn't she ringing?
14:53I said yes,
14:54I wasn't even sleeping,
14:56but I was always a 17 year old boy
14:58with his immaturity of 75,
15:01now a 17 year old boy,
15:02compared to 75,
15:04he is always immature,
15:05but it's more,
15:07what do I know,
15:08no, smarter.
15:09understands things sooner,
15:11I think,
15:12I like to guess them,
15:12maybe.
15:13Here you are,
15:13Therefore,
15:14she told me,
15:15that evening I was coincidentally
15:17in Piazza dei Cinquecento,
15:18for that evening we mean
15:20the evening he met
15:22Pier Paolo Pasolini.
15:23Listen,
15:23he wants to remind me
15:25this meeting,
15:26How did it happen?
15:26Yes,
15:27I was inside
15:28a kiosk there
15:29in Piazza dei Cinquecento,
15:31I was,
15:32On the contrary,
15:32we had gone to the cinema before,
15:34we had to wait
15:34the last show,
15:35because it was useless
15:36that we entered at the penultimate
15:37how we saw the ending.
15:38Do you remember the date?
15:40Well,
15:40It was November 1st.
15:43From 1975?
15:451975.
15:46On November 1st,
15:47in the evening.
15:48Yes.
15:48we went inside
15:50this kiosk,
15:50bar kiosk,
15:52and we had some tea.
15:54Who do we have?
15:55I,
15:56there were three of my friends,
15:59me and three of my friends,
16:00we were with a car
16:01with 850 Coupé,
16:03that was mine,
16:04I was 17 years old,
16:04but I couldn't take it,
16:05I took it to another license.
16:06Was it stolen from him or was it his...
16:08No,
16:08it was my purchase,
16:09here street.
16:13And nothing,
16:14we were drinking tea,
16:17meanwhile we sipped inside,
16:18at the bar,
16:19inside the kiosk,
16:20a tea that sent little one back,
16:21it didn't come out,
16:22this tea was sipped on.
16:24And then he came closer
16:26an Alfa GT2000,
16:28metallic color,
16:29metallic gray,
16:32and nothing,
16:33my name is
16:33and he told me,
16:34he asked me a way.
16:38He called you
16:39from inside the car?
16:41Didn't he get out of the car?
16:42No, no, from the inside.
16:43My name is
16:44and he asked me this way,
16:46I said,
16:47Look,
16:47so he didn't worry you.
16:49He says,
16:50why don't you come with me?
16:53I stayed like that for a while,
16:54cables,
16:55logically.
16:56I thought,
16:57I told you,
16:58alright,
16:58you don't accompany me.
17:00the suspense is over
17:01and I told my friends,
17:03Look,
17:03I'm going away
17:05accompany that gentleman,
17:06these are the keys from the car,
17:07I say,
17:08then just in case,
17:10I say,
17:10I'll come back in case.
17:12In fact,
17:12we're leaving.
17:13And I returned,
17:15I returned to this kiosk,
17:16I told him,
17:18Boys,
17:18the machine
17:19leave it there under my house,
17:21the keys
17:21you put them under the seat.
17:23Now,
17:23I would like a moment
17:24to dwell on.
17:25First of all,
17:26she talks about that gentleman,
17:28but she knew,
17:29the identity of that gentleman?
17:31Not at the moment,
17:32I had heard about it
17:33by Pasolini,
17:35for the movies,
17:36De Camerone,
17:37all these movies.
17:38She knew
17:38who Pasolini was,
17:39but he didn't have...
17:40A director.
17:41However,
17:42that gentleman for her
17:43it wasn't.
17:44No, it wasn't.
17:45She knows that in this
17:46it was denied,
17:47from the trial documents
17:49it turns out...
17:49Ninth.
17:50I haven't read
17:50the trial documents,
17:51it turns out that
17:52his friends
17:53they said
17:54that instead she
17:55he knew,
17:57he knew Pasolini,
17:58that is, he knew
17:59who was
17:59that gentleman
18:00with which he accompanied himself.
18:01One of his friends
18:02he also said,
18:03that is, we got closer
18:04and one of us
18:05he asked Pasolini
18:07a role
18:08in a movie,
18:09so much so that Pasolini
18:10he also responded
18:11so much the face of a thief
18:12you have it.
18:14So she
18:14he knew it
18:15who was Pasolini.
18:16No.
18:16No.
18:17So his friends
18:17they said something incorrect.
18:18But then they knew
18:19when we left
18:20I could have someone
18:21from there
18:21knowing Pasolini
18:22maybe he was dating
18:23those places
18:24and he said
18:24look here
18:25you friend
18:25he went away
18:25with Pasolini,
18:26that is, things are different.
18:28But I had already left
18:29I wasn't paying attention.
18:30I understand.
18:31She tells me
18:32I wasn't homosexual,
18:34No,
18:34I didn't prostitute myself,
18:37Here you are,
18:37but why that evening
18:38he accepted
18:39to go with Pasolini?
18:40But why did I think,
18:41alright,
18:41I told him
18:42immaturity
18:4317 years old,
18:44I said if I knew
18:45it's going to end up like this.
18:48She is immature
18:4917 years old
18:51All right,
18:51but she
18:52at that moment
18:52he was aware
18:53of what he was going to do.
18:54Alright,
18:54I wanted to see
18:54what did he do,
18:56that he wanted,
18:57what do I know,
18:57then I regulated myself
18:58as a result maybe.
18:59But, excuse me,
19:00she when it is mounted
19:01in the car,
19:01when he went with him,
19:02she suffered
19:03a certain amount
19:04with Pasolini?
19:05After.
19:06After?
19:07But I thought
19:07which was limited
19:08to touch the legs,
19:09stuff like that,
19:10further on
19:10it didn't work instead,
19:11then it ended
19:13as we all know.
19:16So this is my side
19:17there was no
19:18in the act
19:18in which she
19:19did she get in the car?
19:21No,
19:21him,
19:22I'll give you something,
19:23let's go to dinner,
19:24we actually went to dinner.
19:25Here you are,
19:26How did the evening go?
19:27She went by car
19:28with him?
19:29We went to dinner
19:30to the Blond Tiber,
19:32a restaurant
19:32there on,
19:34after the general markets,
19:36and there too
19:37the Oster
19:38he called him
19:41oh doctor
19:42or architect,
19:42but oh doctor,
19:43it seems to me,
19:44good evening doctor,
19:44they don't call her
19:45neither for no
19:46not at all,
19:47in fact I consumed
19:48a chicken,
19:49my various spaghetti,
19:50a beer,
19:52he nothing
19:52because he had already called him.
19:55And then,
19:56and nothing,
19:56there too
19:58the Oster said
19:59that he did not see,
19:59he didn't see
20:00just me and him.
20:01She described
20:04to the investigators
20:06the Pasolini crime
20:08as the consequence
20:09of a provocation
20:10sexual
20:11by the writer
20:13to which
20:14she reacted
20:15with extreme violence,
20:17enough to kill him.
20:19Is that so?
20:20Well,
20:21No,
20:21it is not like that.
20:22Let's say that,
20:23let's say,
20:24that's how it is,
20:25it's not quite like that,
20:25it needs to be explained.
20:27I reacted
20:28to the writer
20:30and I reacted
20:33because he wanted me
20:34to inflict violence
20:35with a bass guitar.
20:37He wanted to make me suffer
20:37a violence.
20:39I reacted
20:40and he reacted
20:41more than me.
20:42It struck me
20:44in the head,
20:45on the nose,
20:47after which
20:48I reacted.
20:49I reacted
20:50and I hit hard,
20:51I took a piece of wood from him
20:52that was in the hands,
20:53I attacked him
20:54and then I gave him
20:56kicks to the genitals
20:57and then this tablet
20:59I took it away from him
20:59until it fell,
21:00I left it there
21:01who was still alive.
21:03He made some species
21:04of wheezing,
21:05he was wheezing
21:06and he died
21:07and in fact he died
21:08for crushing
21:09of the chest
21:09by car.
21:11I didn't even get there
21:12and I didn't even see
21:13in front of
21:13by car
21:14all low.
21:16I was 17 years old
21:16and I put it
21:17under the car
21:17and he died
21:18for that.
21:20It does not have the consequence
21:20of the beatings.
21:22I don't know if it would be
21:22dead equals
21:23but I doubt it.
21:25She knows it
21:25that still at a distance
21:2620 years old
21:28the fundamental doubt
21:29Which?
21:29than to kill Pasolini
21:31it wasn't just her.
21:34Yes.
21:35It's a doubt though
21:36shared
21:36from the Assize Court
21:38who condemned her
21:40for voluntary homicide
21:43in competition
21:44with the unknown.
21:46she is always still
21:48on his truth
21:49on the version
21:49of the facts
21:50that she provided?
21:51Yes, I would like to add
21:52small details.
21:53At that time,
21:53the Juvenile Court
21:54he condemned me
21:55as she said
21:56voluntary homicide
21:56in competition
21:57with unknown people.
21:58Yes.
21:59But
21:59the Court of Appeal
22:01he condemned me
22:02only for voluntary homicide
22:03alone
22:03not even in progress
22:04with unknown people.
22:06That is, he understood
22:06all the defense arguments
22:09and yet the Court of Cassation
22:10confirmed
22:10that's why I turn out
22:11on the minutes
22:13that I killed Pasolini
22:13alone
22:13without any person.
22:15But
22:15they got one thing wrong
22:18not being there
22:19no unknown person
22:21why I killed Pasolini
22:23no one has ever asked themselves this question.
22:24It's not that I want
22:25redo the process
22:26but there are some contradictions
22:28that she must accuse me
22:29but I can't help but propose them again.
22:31Here you are,
22:31there is a fundamental one
22:33and it is the most visible
22:35precisely
22:36she described me
22:37this
22:38fight with Pasolini
22:39like a duel
22:40rustic
22:42in which you have given yourselves
22:43Then
22:43each other
22:44terrible blows
22:46beatings
22:47fists
22:48kicks
22:49here though
22:50both by studying the expert reports
22:51that looking then
22:52the photos
22:53that were taken
22:54at immediate distance
22:56Here you are
22:56immediately
22:57after the hours of the tragedy
22:59there are some elements
23:00which are evident
23:02and this is it
23:03the first
23:04Pasolini
23:05he was massacred
23:07massacred by her
23:10massacred
23:11she
23:12Instead
23:13Here you are
23:14he only reported
23:15this little wound
23:16on the head
23:17a transverse wound
23:19without even
23:20the relative chymoses
23:21then to a wound
23:22from a blow
23:23of stick
23:24or of any
23:25blunt instrument
23:27so it was a clean cut
23:28And
23:29let's say
23:31then there was also
23:32another
23:32fundamental element
23:34and this is it
23:35his clothes
23:36she came out
23:37with the clothes
23:37absolutely intact
23:39when she was
23:40arrested by the police
23:41then we'll tell each other
23:42as
23:42she had
23:43these clothes of his
23:44they were absolutely
23:45intact
23:46that is, not torn
23:47and then
23:50she had
23:51a small spot
23:52of blood
23:52on the edge
23:53of the shirt
23:54correct me
23:54if I'm wrong
23:55and then
23:56it was just
23:57blood-stained
23:58the edge
23:59of the trousers
23:59Here you are
24:00how is it explained?
24:02two people
24:02who fight
24:03hand-to-hand combat
24:04so far away
24:05more than close
24:06with a massacre
24:07of that kind
24:08Here you are
24:08how did he do it
24:08she to come out
24:09Like this
24:10absolutely
24:11intact
24:11from this
24:12well then
24:14he attacked me
24:16and I brought back
24:17it's not a cutting board
24:18they are two points ahead
24:19it's not that they are few
24:20it's a beating
24:20a broken nose
24:22which then
24:23they made it disappear
24:23to the hospital
24:25Saint Philip the Black
24:26and then
24:26I'm a bit out there
24:26I don't know why
24:27I did it again
24:28at the medical institute
24:28royal summer
24:29they did it again for me
24:30he had disappeared
24:31I don't know why
24:31always these strange hands
24:33this little cut
24:34on the forehead
24:34it's a blow from him
24:36but after that I
24:38without chymosis
24:39I feel it in my head
24:40a cut
24:40it was just a cut
24:41they brought me
24:42at the Costi hospital
24:43in Tinetanica
24:44they also brought me
24:46And
24:47if she attacks me
24:49and I can
24:50to overwhelm her
24:50after the worst
24:51he has it in for her
24:53me at that point
24:53if less
24:54and she goes to the ground
24:56it's obvious that I
24:57Nothing
24:58I have nothing
24:58can i have blood
24:59on the escapes
25:00on the hands
25:00then after
25:02That
25:03I had passed by
25:04up with the car
25:04I am
25:05I rinsed myself
25:06at the fountain
25:06of the Scipioni square
25:08I rinsed myself
25:09I washed myself well
25:10and then I left again
25:11sorry but you knew her
25:12the area?
25:13No
25:14but I remember why
25:15Scipio Square
25:15because it's written
25:16I actually took
25:17a wrong turn
25:18but how did he know
25:20there was the fountain
25:21in the area?
25:22I found it
25:22right at the exit
25:23of his hydroladder
25:24I turned it to the right
25:25to put myself
25:25a search
25:26on the seafront
25:26and I saw it
25:27the fountain
25:28so she came in
25:29in the car
25:30it was covered in blood
25:31Yes
25:31it was dirty
25:32but capital
25:33Very
25:33the 75
25:33but I don't remember
25:34more
25:34aside I want to forget
25:35certain things
25:36Perhaps
25:36certain things
25:37a bit
25:38and why
25:39that the steering wheel
25:39was not found
25:41there were no findings
25:42traces of blood
25:42on the steering wheel
25:43but there was blood
25:44they even saw us
25:45above the roof
25:46of the machine
25:47here no
25:47there was blood
25:48on the roof of the car
25:49there was a beautiful girl
25:51on the side though
25:52not the driver's
25:53on the other side
25:54Here you are
25:54and why
25:55it was this
25:56here these are
25:56this handful
25:58let's say
25:59with bloody fingerprints
26:00Pasolini's blood
26:01not on the driver's side
26:03on the other side
26:04here's how it's explained
26:04I don't know why there
26:06we fought
26:07so much so much
26:07to me
26:07it seems like an eternity to me
26:08I tell you
26:09to seventy
26:09many things
26:10it's been an eternity
26:12that fight
26:12she knows how
26:13they explained it
26:14the fact that there was
26:15No
26:16a footprint
26:17on the side
26:17not the driver's
26:18or I don't have it clearly
26:19then I remind him
26:20they explained it
26:22these terms
26:23that is, that she
26:24was in company
26:24of other people
26:25so that to be
26:27blood-stained
26:27if it weren't her
26:28necessarily
26:29why hit Pasolini
26:30in the terms
26:31where it was
26:31with the ways
26:32with that massacre
26:33it wasn't her
26:34to put it into action
26:35and that the person
26:36who was with her
26:37the person or persons
26:38had hands
26:40blood-stained
26:41and entering
26:41on the other side
26:42that is, she entered
26:43on the driver's side
26:44the other person
26:45who was with her
26:45or the others
26:46they entered
26:46Obviously
26:47on the other side
26:48and who entered
26:49he put a hand
26:50on the roof
26:51of the machine
26:51and has
26:53instinctively
26:53he put a hand
26:54on the roof
26:54and opened the door
26:55that's how it was explained
26:56this imprint
26:59but they say they are
27:13convinced
27:14I would cry over it
27:14I don't know
27:15No
27:15it makes me laugh
27:16because I can't do it
27:17more and more
27:17history in itself
27:18but a boy
27:1917 years old
27:19but who is taking it?
27:20or send him to do it
27:21homocide
27:21who is that stupid girl?
27:23person who sends
27:24a 17-year-old boy
27:25to commit murder
27:25then they take it
27:27those big guys
27:27from the police
27:28they make him sing
27:29life too
27:30but you could be
27:31were a group
27:32of boys
27:33more or less
27:34of the same age
27:35maybe she
27:35minor
27:36impossible
27:37because it would be known
27:38how did the news come out
27:39two months later
27:39we found
27:41who was with Pasolini
27:42they took two
27:42Poor things
27:43two brothers
27:44and Borzellino
27:44who have trusted
27:46a
27:46we had to go
27:48in Massa Pasolini
27:49with Pelosi
27:49they took
27:50and they arrested
27:51then he defended them
27:52Lawyer Marazzitta
27:53who was a civil party
27:54my
27:54and they went out
27:55with ten days
27:57and as they did
27:59with them
27:59who knows how many other people
28:00he said
28:01all this bullshit
28:02it's impossible
28:03Why
28:04even if they had
28:05twenty years
28:0530 years old
28:0640 years old
28:07a group of people
28:08one sang it to himself
28:09he was coming out
28:10he was coming out
28:11by force
28:11how did it come out
28:12the fact
28:12some muccioli
28:13it came out
28:14they don't know each other
28:16in
28:16they go out
28:17they go out
28:17they go out
28:18there is still another one
28:20fact that remains
28:22which leaves doubts
28:24the fact that Pasolini
28:25he was a man
28:26strong
28:27athletic
28:29sporty
28:30it's difficult
28:31to believe
28:31that a boy
28:32she is a little boy
28:33as far as it goes
28:33but it is
28:34the explanation
28:35it's quickly done
28:37when a person
28:38he takes two kicks
28:39on the genitals
28:42before he recovers
28:43he knows how long
28:44it passes
28:44I know it
28:45but Pasolini's wounds
28:46I'm making a reference
28:47to the wounds that Pasolini
28:48he had on his face
28:49on the face
28:50and now she tells me
28:51kicks to the genitals
28:51but I read
28:52the expertise
28:53the expertise
28:55the famous kicks
28:56on the genitals
28:57they caused
28:58in Pasolini
28:59an internal hemorrhage
29:00so imposing
29:02that Pasolini
29:03after those kicks
29:04he could no longer
29:05move
29:06Therefore
29:07In short
29:09they are not
29:09if she tells me
29:10I gave them to them right away
29:11as you imagine
29:12kicks right away
29:13but Pasolini
29:14Then
29:14it was found
29:15at a certain distance
29:17we clarified
29:18I was running away
29:20and he ran to me quickly
29:22but
29:23I am trying to say
29:24she ran away
29:24he ran them early
29:26but massacred
29:27it was Pasolini
29:27he ran them early
29:29so he wanted to attack her
29:30but
29:30as a conclusion
29:34massacred
29:35it was Pasolini
29:36In short
29:36there is
29:36a certain incongruity
29:38for one person
29:38That
29:40chases
29:40but it gets massacred
29:41while she
29:42who was being chased
29:43it absolutely came out
29:44intact
29:44she understands
29:45that there
29:45I brought something back
29:46the judge
29:48he explained it
29:48saying that
29:49maybe
29:50that I attacked him
29:50but there is no purpose
29:52you hear
29:53Pelosi
29:54we're going back
29:55at the moment
29:55in which she
29:56it happened
29:57what happened
29:58she
29:58he invested
30:00Pasolini
30:02with the car
30:03she
30:03he noticed
30:04when he hit it
30:05No
30:05I didn't notice
30:06so he didn't have it
30:07he didn't invest it
30:08voluntarily
30:09ninth
30:09and there we did
30:10even the inspection
30:11with the court
30:11already during the day
30:12we couldn't walk
30:13the machine did this
30:13because there were
30:14all subsidies
30:15there were puddles
30:16of water
30:17but there were 8 meters
30:18it was a mess
30:19to be able to maneuver
30:20but it's here
30:21situation there
30:22in those moments
30:22there
30:23imagine a girl
30:24Like this
30:24wound
30:26what he wants
30:27try to escape
30:28from that place
30:29the car as it is
30:30Here you are
30:30she runs away precisely
30:31from that place
30:32And
30:33with the car
30:34by Pasolini
30:35And
30:36runs
30:37against hand
30:39on the coast
30:40Hosts
30:41and gets caught
30:42from the police
30:43Like this?
30:44Yes
30:45what happens?
30:46what she
30:47what does he do?
30:48what does he say?
30:49well me first
30:49I try to escape
30:50I'm stopping
30:51and the guard
30:53he approaches
30:54to tell me
30:55how to open the door
30:55escape
30:56I try to escape
30:58I'll catch up with you
30:59we are on the seafront
31:00we are on 180
31:01100
31:01he runs away with the car
31:02In short
31:03at speed
31:04supported
31:05put the machine gun like this
31:06I stopped
31:08I said
31:08the counter
31:09Nothing
31:09they took me
31:10and they brought me
31:12to the
31:12to the thing
31:13to the commissioner
31:14from the police
31:17they arrested me
31:18for car theft
31:18they told me
31:19Whose car was that?
31:20and what did he do
31:20I said
31:21that I had stolen it
31:22at the Argo cinema
31:23on Burtina
31:24and I accompanied
31:25a friend of mine
31:26by nickname
31:27the Archangel
31:27I didn't know the name
31:29this was
31:29my testimony
31:30there
31:30they arrested me
31:31for car theft
31:32and before taking me
31:33to prison
31:34they brought me
31:34to the hospital
31:35because I had it
31:35that cut here
31:36they made me
31:37the anti-netanic
31:38and then they took me
31:39one morning
31:40at 4
31:40at 5
31:41in a bar
31:41to juvenile prison
31:42so she
31:43he didn't know
31:43of having killed him
31:44and no
31:45and in fact
31:45there
31:46the carabinieri
31:46they say
31:46but there's such a rush
31:47to go to prison
31:48I said
31:48Yes
31:48I want an ark
31:49I suffocated myself
31:49I have three hours
31:50that I'm here
31:50go away from me
31:51but there's such a rush
31:52I want to be imprisoned
31:53there was fear
31:55that the farmer was coming
31:56this is how I was doing
31:58It is true
31:59I always talk
32:00I refer to
32:01in the trial documents
32:02but it's true
32:03That
32:03when she came in
32:05in the cell
32:05to his cellmate
32:07with a certain arrogance
32:08she told her
32:09I killed Pasolini
32:11I'm here
32:11why I killed Pasolini
32:12this is a big one
32:13bullshit
32:15a big bullshit
32:16I said
32:17I'm inside
32:18for a car theft
32:19but it happened to me
32:20so and so
32:21I believe
32:21Always
32:22Carabinieri reference
32:23name Pasolini
32:24of Carabinieri
32:24reading the booklet
32:25of the machine
32:26so she at that moment
32:27he learned that it was Pasolini
32:28I knew it was Pasolini
32:29and I said
32:30I'm about to steal a car
32:30it happened to me
32:31so and so
32:32Pasolini
32:33On the contrary
32:34I told him
32:34let's hope I report myself
32:35you know what's happening
32:36what a half accusation
32:37it's low
32:38that's what I limited myself to
32:39in fact some complaints
32:40he will have said
32:41he knew it was Pasolini
32:42but I know it
32:43to get to Biniere
32:45the night before
32:46all year round
32:47this was resolved like this
32:50let's say that she
32:51he was sentenced
32:52how old?
32:539 years old
32:547 months
32:5510 days
32:55and a 30 million fine
32:56Here you are
32:57I paid for everything
32:58I served 8 years in prison
33:006 months of semi-liberty
33:01and the last 10 months
33:02I was on parole
33:04with the signature of the commissioner
33:05I paid it all off
33:06from first to last
33:08so here she is
33:09At what age did it come out?
33:10I went out
33:11the first time
33:12I went out
33:12after 4 and a half years
33:14in prison
33:15for a permit
33:16at 21 years old
33:17and 22 years old
33:18from 17
33:18I went out at 21 years old
33:19but I really mean it
33:20when he got out of prison
33:21eh let's make the cast
33:23it's 17, 8, 25
33:24so he discounted almost all of them
33:28everyone
33:28everyone
33:28here then
33:31when did it come out?
33:32Here you are
33:32We see
33:33what did he do
33:34of this freedom
33:35found
33:36I was released on semi-liberty
33:38let's say
33:38I worked for my uncle
33:39to an oven
33:40that there is the polite one
33:41to my uncle Lillo
33:42and unfortunately
33:43I had an argument
33:44which I'm sorry about too
33:45because it's the only system
33:46that I am more attached
33:48and nothing
33:50I had a fight
33:50and I never went there again
33:51I looked for myself
33:52another job
33:53always as a baker
33:55but it was a job
33:56let's say so
33:57steering wheel
33:58just to stay
33:59in semi-liberty
33:59in fact after 7 days
34:01that I took that job
34:02I succeeded
34:03to finish
34:04to go out
34:05on parole
34:06after I found myself
34:07in the middle of the street
34:08no one gave me a hand
34:09here only my uncle
34:10he gave me a hand
34:10Nobody
34:11there are so many people
34:12even if she goes to prison
34:13that there are many facts
34:14that go on television
34:15to those who found them
34:17a job
34:17from a hypographer
34:18In short
34:18they found him a job
34:20nobody to me
34:20has he ever given me a hand
34:23just my uncle and that's it
34:24but she argued with him
34:25with his uncle
34:25because there is nothing left for us
34:28because when I was
34:29there together in freedom
34:30Certain
34:30I spent 8 years in prison
34:32every now and then I went away
34:33to play basketball
34:34with the boys
34:35I experienced it a little
34:36always in prison
34:37only
34:37alright
34:38and then I find another job
34:39What are you doing?
34:40and then
34:42Nothing
34:42then they arrested me
34:44one more time
34:44but I had nothing to do with it
34:46I had nothing to do with it?
34:47I did 6 months
34:47No
34:48I did 6 months 9
34:48but the asphalted one
34:49I had nothing to do with it
34:50I did 6 months
34:51innocent in prison
34:52but nobody paid for it
34:53but he is innocent
34:54why so
34:54they arrest him like this
34:55Why
34:55No
34:56he says they arrested me
34:57they arrested me
34:58they sent me a communication
34:59for robbery
35:00to a van
35:01of the post office
35:02it didn't even matter
35:03this time
35:03it had nothing to do with it at all
35:04absolutely nothing
35:06he says one had called me
35:07then in court
35:07he retracted it
35:08if it was wrong
35:09he had called one
35:09which is nicknamed
35:11the Crow
35:11I don't have a nickname
35:13there was one
35:13that they gave me
35:14the journalists
35:15the frog
35:15because they confided in me
35:16the bang
35:17and he had the eye
35:17probably
35:18I've never had it
35:19this nickname
35:19my nickname
35:20Pelosi
35:21Furry
35:22that is, without a hair
35:23Why
35:23I was 17 years old
35:24that's the only nickname
35:25the frog
35:26I made it up
35:26totally invented
35:28from some idiot
35:30why still
35:30I carry it with me
35:31this nickname
35:31they never called us
35:33the frog
35:34listen
35:34in this period
35:36in one of these
35:37Like this
35:38come and go
35:39from prison
35:39she met
35:40even a girl
35:42which was
35:42very important
35:43for his life
35:45a girl
35:46that I don't do we
35:47a girl
35:48that she
35:48he wanted
35:49marry
35:50Yes
35:53Well
35:53it was a beautiful story
35:54we were together
35:55two years
35:56unfortunately it's over
35:57I came back
35:58in prison
35:59the period
35:59I've been there for more
36:00I came back
36:00in prison
36:01the parents
36:02they were against it
36:03maybe the father
36:03he didn't know
36:04the mother yes
36:04but she was against it
36:06always Pelosi
36:07what he does
36:08let's go back there
36:09that is, I am more of a delinquent
36:12of Mr. Rossi
36:13what a Mr. Rossi
36:14few people know it
36:15Mr. Rossi
36:16I did not understand
36:16explain to me
36:17it could be a small ball
36:18any
36:19but I wanted to understand
36:20what does it mean
36:20she is more delinquent
36:21of Mr. Rossi
36:22why Pelosi
36:22it is known
36:23for what he did
36:26through Pasolini
36:27but Mr. Rossi
36:29which makes 10
36:3015 thefts
36:31it goes unnoticed
36:32the newspaper
36:33he doesn't talk about it
36:33they don't have the prominence
36:35but when they see me
36:37Always
36:37admit Pelosi
36:37that must
36:38do you remember
36:38all these things here
36:40then to the eye
36:40of a family
36:41he already sees his daughter
36:42who is with a character
36:44similar
36:46it is frowned upon
36:48it is frowned upon
36:49and nothing
36:50then I went
36:51after two years
36:52that I was inside
36:53after a year
36:54that I was inside
36:54we broke up
36:55then in the period
36:56that I had that crisis
36:57that I was at the PO
36:59pre-observation
36:59now a moment
37:00you broke up
37:02but
37:03you broke up
37:05it seems to me that she
37:05he left her too
37:06in a bad way
37:06this girl
37:07he wrote to him
37:08a postcard in prison
37:09Am I wrong?
37:10she to me
37:11she wrote to him
37:11a postcard
37:12and he has it
37:13eh
37:13if you see that it wasn't
37:15so mature
37:16maybe a way
37:17a little more
37:18and then what did she do?
37:19when did he get out of prison?
37:21I that period
37:21ninth
37:22what did he do
37:23with this girl
37:23let's take a moment
37:24a digression
37:24then we go back to prison
37:26but I remember
37:27It was a fatality
37:28towards
37:29ah
37:29and nothing
37:30I called him
37:31I said
37:31look, I'm staying at home
37:33I say
37:33come bring me back all my stuff
37:35and I'll give you your stuff
37:35your gold
37:36and I give you my gold
37:37They
37:38in short we gave ourselves gifts
37:40we had nothing to do with you anymore
37:42but didn't she want to win this girl back?
37:44on one hand yes
37:45on one hand no
37:45but what is he doing?
37:46he goes to ask him for the gold then
37:47In short
37:47that is, he wanted to win her back?
37:48my stuff
37:49give me my toys
37:50and I'll give you your toys
37:51Meaning what
37:52right there first of all
37:53what did the girl say?
37:54the first impact
37:55ninth
37:55you're a beggar
37:56No
37:56that a beggar
37:57he didn't tell me
37:58if you want I'll pay you
37:59but what are you paying me?
38:00no you bring me back to me
38:01I'll give you yours
38:02she actually called her several times
38:03tell the truth
38:04I gave him some pizzas
38:05let's say some pizzas
38:06eh but not much
38:07little
38:08no little because I want
38:10little because it didn't make me crazy
38:12Perhaps
38:13could take
38:14he could write a letter
38:15could
38:16use another method
38:17than a simple postcard
38:18open
38:19he could take an envelope
38:21he wrote a nice little message
38:23for this girl it seems to me
38:26that then like this
38:27with which it then ended
38:29rather stormy
38:30she
38:32he organized
38:34she actually went to prison
38:35because he organized
38:36what she
38:37Like this
38:38he imagined for himself
38:39like the last shot
38:40of his life
38:40No?
38:42but why were you arrested?
38:44she when
38:44when he entered
38:45returned to prison
38:47he did not go to jail
38:48because in the end
38:49this girl has it
38:49he returned
38:50it seems to me that
38:51we are at 3
38:52and we are at 3
38:54it seems to me that she
38:55he went to jail
38:55for the third time
38:56I mean after
38:58the Casolini crime
38:58yes yes
38:59why he was arrested
39:00for robbery
39:01for robbery
39:02no for theft
39:03in a villa
39:03it seems to me
39:04that was supposed to be
39:04what she
39:05he defined
39:06the last shot
39:07of his life
39:07No?
39:08attempted theft
39:09in a villa
39:10yes yes
39:11from the parties
39:12because she
39:13he did this
39:14the latter
39:14what it was supposed to be
39:15the last shot
39:16the last shot
39:18let's say that
39:18he had a good tip
39:19that inside this villa
39:21there was a lot of gold
39:22hidden inside
39:23the gap
39:23and I tried
39:24it went badly
39:25they arrested me
39:26it went badly
39:27I attempted theft
39:27I took 6 months
39:29I left after 3 months
39:30it went badly
39:31but
39:32despite this
39:33I stayed with her
39:34I went out
39:34and after 3 months
39:35he died on me
39:36All
39:36everything normal
39:37then after
39:38I decided afterwards
39:39just have to stop
39:40to steal
39:41of facts
39:42I was into trade
39:43to say
39:44there is a friend
39:45there is a shop
39:46who sold sheep
39:47shoes
39:48all this stuff
39:48I took it
39:49low-cost
39:50and I took it back
39:52I made money from it
39:54and I was craving it like this
39:54meanwhile
39:55and then?
39:56and then nothing
39:57then it happened
39:57that a person
39:59he called me
39:59for a robbery
40:01clerk
40:02years before
40:03and there
40:04bong
40:05I took back the sentence
40:07and nothing
40:07and there I lost
40:08this girl
40:09practically
40:09but I
40:10I had decided
40:11I didn't steal anymore
40:12I didn't steal anymore
40:13I didn't steal anymore
40:13I was looking for
40:14from clear works
40:15we were saying
40:16there is no permanent job
40:17but I was making do
40:18as I say
40:18in Naples
40:19I was arranging
40:20but I didn't steal
40:21I didn't steal
40:22This
40:22I didn't steal anymore
40:24Here you are
40:25and she
40:26when she entered
40:27in prison
40:28and it was
40:29we are at 3-4
40:30Now
40:30it takes a while
40:34she seems to me
40:36who had
40:37a moment
40:37very difficult
40:38had
40:39a strong disappointment
40:40nervous
40:40do we want to talk about it?
40:42Yes
40:43and nothing
40:44they arrested me
40:45this crime
40:46and I took
40:46from
40:47he's dying
40:47for this girl
40:50and I say
40:50once I had stopped
40:52I didn't steal anymore
40:53I say
40:54look what the hell
40:55it happened to me
40:55and there I freaked out
40:56how do you say
40:57I started
40:58to be very
40:59very nervous
41:00very nervous
41:01I looked for work
41:02they gave me work
41:03from G1
41:04I went to the G9
41:05I started working
41:06in the laundry
41:07but I was nervous
41:09I was eating
41:10with certain companions
41:10but I had it
41:11the cell alone
41:12and so much
41:13that I was nervous
41:14they were more coffee
41:15that I took
41:16practically
41:17That
41:19that I ate
41:21I drink more coffee
41:22what food
41:22let's say
41:23and nothing
41:24my obsession
41:25that was it
41:25on guard
41:26it was ruined
41:26one more time
41:27Like this
41:27very quietly
41:28I've been inside
41:29but they grew up
41:30they were growing
41:30they were growing up
41:31and he let me out
41:33anxious
41:33depression
41:35and they brought me
41:36to a department
41:36which is called
41:37BIT.
41:38pre-observation
41:38where they are observed
41:41mentally
41:41composed of
41:42psychiatrists
41:44doctors
41:45and nurses
41:46he looked at himself
41:4624 hours
41:47on 24
41:48I was inside
41:49one cell only
41:50without cupboards
41:51just a marble
41:52the camp bed
41:53everything
41:54that I needed
41:55like a shampoo
41:56a toothpaste
41:57a comb
41:59I had called
41:59to the nurse
42:02I dressed strangely
42:03trousers
42:03of the administration
42:05Shirt
42:05of the administration
42:06lost weight to the max
42:07because I wasn't eating anymore
42:08from 73 kg
42:10I weighed 60 kg
42:114 therapies per day
42:13Talus's Ark
42:15fese renas
42:16and more
42:17the night
42:18the night
42:19I was hooked
42:20I saw Pasolini
42:21every now and again
42:22I saw Pasolini
42:23it was strange
42:24I woke up
42:25all sweaty
42:26I was just sleeping
42:27from the bed
42:27the nurses
42:28hand in hand
42:28they were rearing me
42:29they made me
42:29a your talo
42:30fefarga valium
42:32and that is
42:33boom
42:33after 5 seconds
42:35I fell asleep
42:35I woke up
42:36the day
42:36maybe later
42:37the afternoon
42:37and saw Pasolini
42:39I saw it
42:40I didn't see it
42:41just like
42:43intact
42:43I saw it faded
42:44I found it strange
42:46but I knew
42:47that was him
42:48but surely
42:49it was a projection
42:51my internal
42:51but what was it
42:52remorse
42:53that finally
42:54his conscience surfaced
42:55it could have been
42:56Why
42:56guy who looked at me
42:58he didn't say anything
42:59it couldn't have been remorse
43:00why the remorse
43:01there is no
43:01if I wasn't aware
43:02of the killed
43:03there can be no remorse
43:04anyway she killed him
43:05it was a curse
43:06when we were saying before
43:07he killed him anyway
43:09that's out
43:11no doubt
43:13At that time
43:14us
43:14I would like to go back
43:15at this time
43:17difficult
43:17that she went through
43:20with these ghosts
43:22that occupied her mind
43:23with these anguishes
43:25that they were turning it back
43:27these lost pounds
43:28how did it come out
43:30from this physical situation
43:33psychic
43:33even difficult
43:34Nothing
43:35in my rare moments
43:36of lucidity
43:37of that period
43:38I started to deploy
43:39to a community
43:40the community
43:41meetings
43:42Don Pierino Gelmini
43:43How come?
43:45no for drugs
43:46Why
43:47I thought it was
43:48a solution
43:49that would help me
43:50to go out
43:51from how I was
43:53practically
43:54from how I was
43:54I was a happy case
43:56a little unkempt
43:57long beard
43:58I was feeling all weird
43:59long hair
44:01long beard
44:01dressed all sloppily
44:03shoes on
44:04slippers type
44:05without socks
44:06in short I was unkempt
44:07but my mother
44:07it always remained like this
44:09at the interview
44:09so she didn't take drugs?
44:11No
44:11never?
44:12I started a relationship
44:15let's say epistolary
44:16saying that I practically
44:18I was taking tranquilizers
44:19there and I was
44:20to that department there
44:21so it was a drug addiction
44:22let's say from psychotropic drugs
44:24in that period
44:25Here you are
44:25related to care
44:26yes related to care
44:28and nothing
44:29I started writing
44:30at a certain point
44:31Don Pierino
44:32he says
44:32he read my letters
44:34in front of the boys
44:34you want it
44:35hairy ones here
44:36everyone yes yes yes
44:37after eight months
44:38I did the process
44:40and there is a request
44:42who welcomed me
44:43Don Pierino
44:43in community
44:44and they accepted it from me
44:44and they sent me to the community
44:45arrests in the community
44:47so it's not that she
44:48she went to the community
44:49because he wanted to get out of prison
44:51No?
44:52Also
44:52why not?
44:53of course
44:54even to get out of prison
44:55why not?
44:56listen
44:56and how it was
44:57this period with Germini
44:59in community?
45:00but it was
45:01at the start
45:03no me
45:04it was difficult at first
45:06because there
45:07for real
45:07the second day
45:08I was shovel and pickaxe
45:09to dig the hole
45:10to plant the air
45:11she who was not
45:11the work
45:12she is allergic to work
45:13Therefore
45:13no but it's a pretty tough job
45:15there when you smoked a cigarette
45:16you didn't have to stay still
45:17no eh
45:17even though it was a rag
45:18to polish something
45:19you were smoking a cigarette
45:20but I was cleaning something
45:21but
45:21at a certain point
45:22sentenced to work
45:23finally
45:24yes yes yes
45:25finally
45:26at a certain point
45:27and I was like this
45:28he was smoking my cigarette
45:29in a break
45:30I had eaten it
45:31and I looked at the mountains
45:32and says
45:33I'm still complaining
45:34there was the net
45:36there was the network
45:36it's of interest
45:36but he had a pet
45:37he has them appio
45:38everything is unkempt
45:39I'm here breathing
45:40full lungs
45:41I'm recovering
45:42I have the mountains in front of me
45:43but who's killing me?
45:44but better than this
45:45so it was a positive period
45:46for her
45:46yes it was positive
45:47was
45:48I still have it inside me
45:50how long were you there?
45:52six months
45:52six months
45:53it's the time of the period
45:54of house arrest
45:55I hear Pelosi
45:56but for example
45:57speaking with Don Gelmini
45:59Don Gelmini
46:00he never had them
46:01explained
46:03who was Pasolini?
46:05No
46:06Don Gelmini
46:07No
46:08he never told me about it
46:10and certainly
46:11from his experience
46:13he thought it appropriate
46:14don't even talk to me about it
46:15but she for example
46:16have you ever read
46:17a book by Pasolini?
46:19I gave him a look like this
46:21but I don't remember
46:22I read
46:23I read
46:23that of Dario Bellezza
46:24Pasolini's death
46:25in another
46:26on Pasolini
46:27I take
46:27a book by Pasolini
46:28she never came
46:29curiosity
46:30to see
46:31I want to understand
46:32who is the person
46:33that I killed him
46:35I had it
46:36I had it in my hand
46:37Like this
46:37I looked like this
46:38but I don't know
46:40it's not that I read
46:41It's not that I read many books
46:42I have few books
46:43that I read
46:44even science fiction books
46:47then I read magazines
46:48little magazines
46:49but Pasolini
46:49he never had the curiosity
46:50to understand who he was
46:51but not only Pasolini
46:53the others too
46:54alright
46:54I'm talking about Pasolini
46:55Why
46:56who he was
46:57and who he was
46:58we should
46:59read right
46:59it's the tragedy of his life
47:01autobiography
47:02you should read his
47:04autobiography
47:04I never know
47:05what did it do
47:05I don't think so
47:07Saint Pelosi
47:08she once
47:09he told me
47:11if instead of killing Pasolini
47:14I had killed
47:15Mr. Rossi
47:16my destiny
47:17it would have been different
47:18Why?
47:20why Pasolini
47:21it's still
47:22was and still is
47:23very famous
47:24and every topic
47:26that concerns him
47:27it's always in the mass media
47:28and logically
47:30it's like I'm taking a job
47:32and I have it close by too
47:34in the newspapers
47:35or on
47:36on other things
47:38and if instead
47:39I killed Mr. Rossi
47:40Mr. Rossi
47:41twenty years ago
47:41he had forgotten about everyone
47:43but why do you think so?
47:44there is a hierarchy
47:45from the
47:46of gravity
47:46of a crime
47:47linked to identity
47:49of the person
47:49who killed herself
47:50but it's obvious
47:51why not?
47:52In short
47:52she never asked herself
47:53in front of
47:54to a reality
47:57painful
47:58I killed
47:59a human being
48:00Yes
48:02but I always said
48:03I am a human being
48:04it's you
48:05I always say to
48:07generally to journalists
48:09who interview me
48:10I say it's you
48:12that every now and then
48:13say outside
48:14maybe not those
48:14who interview me
48:15maybe those who write to me
48:16who write to me
48:17in the newspapers
48:18when I stop
48:20arrested
48:21Pine, Pelosi
48:22what
48:23then they count again
48:23the whole story
48:24if it was Mr. Rossi
48:26the news is missing
48:27who had arrested me
48:28it was in the newspaper
48:29it was better for me
48:29sorry Pelosi
48:30but he doesn't believe that
48:31Here you are
48:32this crime Pasolini
48:34alibi functions
48:35even a convenient alibi
48:37with himself
48:38to justify
48:39certain inability of his
48:40to live
48:41correctly
48:42honestly
48:43but
48:45a reflection
48:46which I did too
48:48but I don't know
48:50I do not know
48:52just some facts
48:53it could also
48:53I do not know
48:54it could also be
48:56it could also be
48:57a kind of alibi
48:59the last one
49:00let's say
49:01an anchor
49:01of salvation
49:02an anchor
49:03of salvation
49:05an anchor
49:06of salvation
49:07of salvation
49:07with himself
49:08In short
49:09she serves herself
49:10of this tragedy
49:11to justify
49:12each of his
49:13misdeed
49:14let's call things
49:16with their name
49:17Well
49:18to prune oneself too
49:19I mean, I need it
49:20as if I
49:21Where
49:22Meaning what
49:22a justification
49:23let's say
49:24could be
49:26I don't rule it out
49:26it could also be
49:28but always
49:29it always remains
49:29that fact
49:30because I killed
49:31a famous person
49:32so at this point
49:33No
49:35she killed
49:36a man
49:36Pelosi
49:37yes I know
49:38that I killed
49:38a man
49:39but
49:39this man
49:40it was for Paolo Pasolini
49:41if he had killed
49:42Mr. Rossi
49:43it would be exactly
49:44the same thing
49:45No
49:45No
49:46how old is he now
49:4735
49:49she's in here
49:51Still
49:52to King Bible
49:53for what crime
49:55now I'm about to
49:56a crime
49:58of robbery
49:58let's say
49:59Then
50:00personal injury
50:01and resistance
50:02public official
50:03then let's say
50:04injuries yes
50:04but no resistance
50:05I
50:06yes yes
50:07what is written
50:08up outside
50:08it is resistance
50:09I say so much about it
50:09so much
50:10how they arrested me
50:11I forced my hands
50:13I made myself
50:13they made me sick
50:14and they brought me
50:15to commission
50:15what resistance
50:16they have four policemen
50:17that I am like this
50:18what resistance
50:18I took off my helmet
50:20and I realized
50:20what robbery was it?
50:24a robbery
50:25to a car showroom
50:26they gave me
50:26the tip
50:27that had us
50:28lots and lots of money
50:30she can't resist
50:31to the tips
50:31he is invincible
50:33for her
50:34I can explain it to you
50:35Why?
50:36a moment
50:36I was working
50:37I'll start by saying this
50:38that I was working
50:38to a car showroom
50:40in front of the house
50:42of the pallocco
50:42Infernetta area
50:43everyone knows me
50:44just like furry ones
50:45bartender
50:46all the people
50:46everyone was reporting me
50:48a good boy
50:49after eight months
50:50that car showroom
50:51it failed
50:53and I found myself
50:54one more time
50:55I took 800 million
50:56per month
50:56I didn't get much
50:57and they paid me
50:58a twinge alone
50:59in the car
51:00they give me the car
51:01their mother
51:01the curds alone
51:02800 million per month
51:03Therefore
51:03it failed
51:04I found myself
51:05in the middle of
51:06in trouble
51:06you must
51:07etc. etc.
51:10and I went to steal
51:11I put it
51:11I said right away
51:12I went to steal
51:13I tried
51:13I went to steal
51:14I didn't know how to do anything else
51:16look for work
51:17very difficult
51:19And
51:19criminal record
51:21he gives us the paper
51:23all of the above
51:24apart from the vases
51:25all of the above
51:26who gives you the thing
51:27already us
51:27I give it
51:28to a person
51:29let's say
51:30with no criminal record
51:30make sure to me
51:31I went to steal
51:32I tried
51:33she tried
51:34many times though
51:35many times
51:36there are those who have tried
51:37more than me
51:37we don't mess around
51:38to compare with the worst
51:40We see
51:40who lives correctly
51:42I'll start stealing it
51:43if I'm in prison
51:44sure I'll wear it
51:45why prison
51:45you know bad
51:47but he never learns
51:50in fact I want to make a clean break
51:52to this life
51:52because I can't take it anymore
51:53monster inside for robbery
51:55as she said
51:55injuries
51:56I paid back immediately
51:58the civil party
51:588 million
51:59how old was he
52:004 years
52:01but I thought
52:02you know how much they called me
52:03to stay in the robbery
52:0312 years old
52:04but now how many
52:05he still has to serve it
52:06they would be missing
52:07with the days
52:087 months
52:097 months
52:117 months
52:12doing the math
52:16Here you are
52:16at this point
52:17how old
52:18in prison
52:18he added
52:19in his life
52:2016 or 17 years old
52:22in prison
52:22discounted
52:23she when she killed
52:24Casolini
52:25he was 17 years old
52:2617 years old
52:27half of his life
52:28he spent it in prison
52:30unfortunately yes
52:31Unfortunately
52:31and now when does it come out
52:33what are his intentions?
52:33for the future
52:34I really want to give
52:35a clean cut
52:36I'm at this
52:37of course it has passed
52:37it is not forgotten
52:38but
52:38at least
52:39let's try to modify it
52:41I want
52:41I want to look for a job
52:43someone tax my work
52:44but I don't believe it much
52:45it's not that he keeps stealing
52:46no I don't want to steal anymore
52:48I really don't want to
52:48no longer enter prison
52:49I'm really fed up
52:50I made my soul
52:51that is, my life
52:52that
52:52that I had to spend in prison
52:53maybe if it was destiny
52:54I spent it
52:55Enough
52:55I also want to change cities
52:56I want to leave
52:57I want to find a job
52:58and I want to start a family
52:59and I have a family
53:00I had children
53:01a permanent job
53:02it's very difficult
53:04but I will try
53:05to make it
53:06in the jungle
53:08I think it will depend
53:09from her too
53:09yes yes
53:10it will also depend on me
53:12but think that
53:13the ghost of Pasolini
53:15will continue to live
53:16inside her
53:18but the real one
53:19ghost
53:20Surely
53:21Surely
53:22my thoughts
53:22he will go there
53:23for life
53:24Pasolini
53:25I'll think about it every now and then
53:28even maybe
53:29when I'm carefree
53:30I'm playing
53:30Perhaps
53:31I disappear for a moment
53:32and I think about it
53:33or because I read a newspaper
53:34I see it
53:35and then I think about it again
53:37it will never fade away
53:38but it's not a ghost
53:39because I
53:40in the Appian period
53:41I didn't have
53:41no dreams
53:42no nightmares
53:43I have no remorse
53:44I mean I have remorse
53:46It's not that I have any remorse
53:46I am sorry
53:47who is dead
53:48a human life
53:48I'm very sorry
53:51so much
53:51so much and so much
53:52sincerely
53:53but remorse
53:54I have no remorse
53:55I have no remorse
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54:22I have no remorse
54:34I have no remorse
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55:20I have no remorse
55:21I have no remorse
55:22I have no remorse
55:23I have no remorse
55:23I have no remorse
55:23I have no remorse
55:24I have no remorse
55:25I have no remorse
55:41Thank you all.
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