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El programa "Frente a frente" del 9 de abril de 1997, conducido por Alejandro Rial, presentó un intenso debate sobre la realidad de los OVNIs, reflejando el alto interés por lo paranormal en la Argentina de los años 90. El panel incluyó un choque de visiones entre investigadores de campo, posturas místicas de contactados, enfoques psicológicos y la visión escéptica del CAIRP.
Participan: Julio Guerrieri (Periodista científico), César Reyes (Escritor), Pablo Warmkraut (Grupo Aurora), Mario Aprile (Contactado), Eduardo Marrasi (Periodista), Sergio Rubinetti (Asoc. Amigos de la Astronomía), Juan Pablo Gómez (Investigador OVNI), Luis Burgos (Fundación Argentina de Ovnilogía), Rubén Morales (Psicólogo social), Horacio Zadrayec (Investigador OVNI), Juán Acevedo (Psicólogo), Ruth Ríos (Grupo Alfa y Omega), Francisco Checchi (Contactado - Grupo Alfa), Heriberto Janosch (CAIRP - Centro Argentino para la Investigación y Refutación de la Pseudociencia) y Juán Carlos Torres (CAIRP), entre otros.
Participan: Julio Guerrieri (Periodista científico), César Reyes (Escritor), Pablo Warmkraut (Grupo Aurora), Mario Aprile (Contactado), Eduardo Marrasi (Periodista), Sergio Rubinetti (Asoc. Amigos de la Astronomía), Juan Pablo Gómez (Investigador OVNI), Luis Burgos (Fundación Argentina de Ovnilogía), Rubén Morales (Psicólogo social), Horacio Zadrayec (Investigador OVNI), Juán Acevedo (Psicólogo), Ruth Ríos (Grupo Alfa y Omega), Francisco Checchi (Contactado - Grupo Alfa), Heriberto Janosch (CAIRP - Centro Argentino para la Investigación y Refutación de la Pseudociencia) y Juán Carlos Torres (CAIRP), entre otros.
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00:07Today on Face to Face, UFOs, reality or fiction.
00:12Do UFOs exist?
00:13Is Argentina a chosen country?
00:16Could the suicide of the San Diego sect be repeated in our country?
00:27What topic, huh? What program are we going to have today?
00:29You already know how this program works,
00:31But first of all, I want to tell you that for the first time on television
00:35The main extraterrestrial contact groups are here.
00:39And they will state their position on this matter here.
00:42about what we were just telling you, about what happened in San Diego.
00:45But the program is Face to Face and you have to make a decision.
00:48What you are going to do, and now comes an important explanation,
00:51In other words, whether this platform or the other one has the most concrete arguments for you,
00:57Those with the strongest arguments, and those are the ones they will vote for.
01:01What are they going to vote on? Here's the explanation.
01:04The issue is that both sides believe in UFOs.
01:08A UFO is an unidentified flying object, right?
01:10Okay. From this platform they say they could be natural phenomena
01:14and which may even be some weapons that are being tested
01:19and that governments do not make public.
01:20On this other side, what they say is,
01:23Those UFOs belong to extraterrestrials.
01:26Is that clear?
01:28Extraterrestrials or natural phenomena.
01:30That's what we're aiming for today.
01:32Phone numbers to bet on one or the other, Fabian?
01:35UFOs reality 703-8311, fiction 703-8312.
01:41Okay, let's start with which one.
01:45Let's go this way.
01:46Let's see, can one of you tell me why UFOs are extraterrestrial?
01:51Who's going to tell me? You?
01:52Well, these beings have given demonstrations in all places on our planet
01:58And it has been for hundreds of years; it's not something entirely new.
02:02of a superior technology, but they have also appeared and disappeared
02:08directly from our own eyes, from the eyes of journalists, military personnel, and scientists
02:15and even radar screens and film footage.
02:19This technology does not currently exist on our planet.
02:23But beyond that, they perform other kinds of miracles
02:27that we have directly witnessed as healings, as levitation,
02:32such as, for example, crossing mountains.
02:37They penetrate directly into the mountains and disappear inside.
02:41Did you see it?
02:42I saw it. And we have photographs of it.
02:45Why do you say you are not extraterrestrials?
02:49I wanted to clarify for you, Alejandro, that I don't believe in UFOs.
02:52As a science journalist, precisely, and I am one of the skeptics in this type of phenomenon.
02:58And, well, based on the scientific method, there is still no conclusive evidence.
03:05Bring a piece here, bring a fragment of...
03:09Are you here right now?
03:11Well, look, I can make an excellent photograph of the footage on my computer.
03:15I don't know...
03:15I don't know if they don't know anything.
03:16Because we have the evidence.
03:18No, no, forgive me.
03:19You can't tell me that I don't know anything.
03:22Objects that...
03:23Forgive me.
03:23Can you ever go out and investigate?
03:24Yes, no, no.
03:25Let me explain.
03:25I have a scientific background...
03:26There are recordings that claim UFOs...
03:28Where...
03:29Well, if he doesn't let me...
03:29Let's see...
03:31Let's see...
03:31Let's see, let's see, let's see...
03:31Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see...
03:32And then you can tell me.
03:34Okay, perfect.
03:34Why aren't they aliens?
03:36No, I'm not saying...
03:38I'm not saying they're either extraterrestrial or terrestrial.
03:41I can't say they're nothing.
03:42No, no, I'm not saying they're nothing.
03:43There are recordings in what follows...
03:45There is no proof of its existence.
03:46You, the present ones of Guadalupe, began.
03:48These are unidentified flying objects.
03:50They are not identified, no matter what you say.
03:51In other words, we don't have any little green dwarf or cosmic brother.
03:55What you are defending is no laboratory.
03:57The thing is, there are...
03:58Forgive me, there is still ignorance on the part of the scientific community that does not know about it.
04:03But when one goes to investigate, for example, the zero and torque,
04:06and it has the computerized test,
04:08And it has, for example, this case, where the UFO comes into play,
04:13and it appears to be a solid object.
04:17It's a solid object that enters the hill...
04:19Juan, it is an object that enters the hill, the Uritorco hill, it does not explode.
04:25And you see the image, which is an object in the shape of a UFO, a flying object.
04:31It's a light, something amorphous, but I see absolutely nothing more than that.
04:37When we talk about UFOs, we're talking about what people say they see.
04:42Nothing else.
04:42So, why are you all raising your hands and saying, 'We have...'
04:45They are stories, they are tales.
04:48Let's see what he says.
04:48They are stories.
04:49I think it's outrageous.
04:50...of objects, and if the debate is framed around the term "objects,"
04:53I just think it's very limited.
04:54We're talking about something that goes beyond objects,
04:56They are also programmed intelligences,
04:59intelligently guided,
05:00and by a civilization that is extraterrestrial or that is on Earth,
05:04He probably lives on the fringes of average human civilization.
05:09The fact that there are no beings...
05:12My proof, this photo is personal.
05:16Did you take that picture?
05:17This photo is personal.
05:18It is certified by the director of the laboratory that revealed them
05:21And it's not the only one I have.
05:23This is a being, a yellow anthropomorphic entity.
05:26In other words, beyond what might appear in magazines,
05:29or that people may believe there might be tricks or not,
05:33This is my responsibility and it's personal.
05:35That's what you think.
05:36No, this is what I photographed, not what I think.
05:38Well, but they probably don't believe it.
05:40But this is not a matter of belief.
05:42This is a matter of seeing.
05:44I don't see an alien in that faith.
05:47Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see.
05:48Let's see, let's see, let's see, let's see.
05:48Now, I'm going to side with them.
05:51I'm going to side with them and I hope you'll answer me.
05:54If you could take a picture of one...
05:58They could have had one of these photos and could have taken it,
06:02Would they change locations?
06:04Would they be absolutely convinced?
06:05Yeah.
06:06And it wouldn't be, it's not just a photo.
06:09It's not just a greeting.
06:12Do you think you can do it?
06:13The photos won't work.
06:14Mr. Royal.
06:17So I'm an infiltrator in this forum.
06:20I should be in that stand.
06:21In principle.
06:23No, I'm staying here.
06:23No, I'm staying here.
06:24I'm staying here.
06:26But I believe, I believe that unidentified flying objects
06:29They are extraterrestrial vehicles being piloted.
06:31And I have photographed them and I have proof.
06:36I have proof.
06:39So why is he in prison?
06:42But one thing, I want to clarify one thing.
06:44I am not with any mystical group.
06:47I am a scientist.
06:48No, we are not affiliated with any mystical group either.
06:52Okay, let's listen to Eva.
06:54I believe, I believe.
06:58Are we not going to have any beliefs here?
07:00Alexander.
07:01No, no, no.
07:02No, no, no.
07:03No, no, stop.
07:03It's not a belief.
07:04I had a specific case and...
07:06No, I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you an example.
07:09No no.
07:10Let me express myself.
07:11I can...
07:11No, no, no.
07:12Answer that.
07:12It's a test, it's a thing.
07:15What thing?
07:16A photo.
07:16But the photo could show 20,000 atmospheric phenomena,
07:19which you have no idea about.
07:22But to what?
07:23To make things easy for more than one person?
07:25They're doing business.
07:26Why don't you talk on camera about the business that's going on here in this sector?
07:29The problem, Pablo, is explanations.
07:31There are other explanations.
07:33Let's hear from him.
07:34What is extraterrestrial is a mint.
07:36It's a fantasy.
07:37He's not going to make a phone call.
07:38Yeah.
07:39Since we are proposing a confrontation that...
07:41This is what we are proposing.
07:43It's about listening to the arguments from both sides.
07:46And choose one of the two.
07:48Alright.
07:48The one with the most votes from the two stands is the one that will ultimately remain in this program.
07:52with the last word.
07:53But I want to tell you something.
07:54I ask for the floor.
07:54I want to say something to the people who are about to call.
07:57Yeah.
07:57That's all: if the Sun is a star and has nine planets around it
08:02And one is certainly inhabited, which is ours,
08:05And there are 100 billion stars in the Milky Way, which is our galaxy,
08:09And there are 50 billion galaxies in space,
08:13We don't have to be the only ones.
08:15But nobody says otherwise.
08:16You didn't start to believe.
08:19Alexander.
08:20Now you tell me what you saw.
08:21Let's see who wants to speak.
08:22To the gentleman.
08:23Yeah.
08:23Nobody says otherwise.
08:24Moreover, science has been around for more than three decades.
08:27He's looking, he's looking, he's listening, there are projects, CETI is one of them.
08:31It is searching across the entire spectrum, trying to listen for signals of intelligent origin,
08:36searching...
08:37Science never denies...
08:38Forgive me, let me finish.
08:39But he hasn't found one yet.
08:40He doesn't deny that he does it.
08:41He hasn't found it yet.
08:42But what happens?
08:43I have a question for any of you who claim to be extraterrestrials.
08:46I have just one question for you.
08:48Did they ever try to verify where it might have come from?
08:52Obviously, I think they must think it's from another planet, right?
08:56Of course.
08:56That it is not from this solar system.
08:58It's going to have to be someone else's.
08:59Where do they come from?
09:00And what are the distances?
09:02Do they know the distances they are driving?
09:03And what are the travel times?
09:06No?
09:06Let's see, here...
09:07How do they travel?
09:08Here we have two very important testimonies.
09:12And where are they from?
09:12Let's see if the camera can capture it.
09:14No, that's got me.
09:15We've got a real hair-pull situation.
09:16Okay, please, one second, guys.
09:18Wait, if you don't understand us.
09:21Look, we have two impressive testimonies here.
09:24A photograph, it has the date here, August 15, 1993,
09:28and a photograph of an extraterrestrial being, similar to those in the Roswell case.
09:32We're talking about the year 47, 48.
09:35These beings, these beings have them, they have them,
09:40The Americans have knowledge of these beings,
09:43The Russians are also aware of this.
09:45The Chinese also have knowledge.
09:47At one time, these beings had tried to make a pact
09:51with the governments of planet Earth,
09:55so that we would end the atomic explosions,
09:59the use of the ethereal energy of nuclear power,
10:01and they would give us our science.
10:02No, that's not information.
10:04That's information.
10:06And I'll tell you more.
10:07I would like to state my position.
10:09The man said he shouldn't be in that gallery.
10:11I shouldn't be in this one, but neither should I be in that one.
10:13I should be at the CIR.
10:14Because?
10:17Very briefly.
10:18The CIR, the UFO, sorry.
10:20Sorry, Burgos.
10:21We're coming with you.
10:21Let's see.
10:22With the CIR.
10:23In fact, there are many people in this forum who accept,
10:25We believe in the UFO phenomenon because we have investigated it.
10:27Yeah.
10:27What may be up for discussion is whether the UFO phenomenon is extraterrestrial or not.
10:31That's the point.
10:32But many people in this forum accept the UFO phenomenon as such.
10:35I planned that in the program.
10:35It's not that it doesn't exist, as the gentleman says, or that some people are just being deceitful.
10:38which are...
10:39The photograph isn't worth much.
10:41But that doesn't mean the UFO phenomenon doesn't exist, Alejandro.
10:44Well, but that's another matter, it's a skeptical discussion, Eduardo.
10:48Wait, so as not to confuse things, because there are people calling
10:50and is voting for one side or the other.
10:51You have a common denominator.
10:53Don't you believe that extraterrestrials exist?
10:55No, it's not like that.
10:56Even if you believe in UFOs.
10:57That's not the case.
10:57That's not the case.
10:58What did you just say?
10:59That's not the case.
10:59But in that forum there are many people who are just being hypocritical.
11:04that the UFO phenomenon exists.
11:06Spot.
11:07Aliens?
11:07One of the possibilities.
11:08There are 12 possibilities that they exist in the UFO phenomenon.
11:11It's not just the terrestrial one.
11:12Otherwise, everything will get confused.
11:14Please.
11:15Alejandro, can I finish?
11:17We should earn something, Alejandro.
11:19There are 12 different origins.
11:21To be in the scientific section where we conduct research.
11:25One is the UFO topic, the phenomenon.
11:29Another thing, what these older brothers come to convey to us
11:33of this plan for planet Earth, which they have...
11:36Let me speak, it's not just the phenomenon.
11:39Well, there's something much bigger behind all of that, and they should investigate it.
11:44The UFO researcher, objectively, for me the acronym UFO is that...
11:49Sorry.
11:50No, it's not obsolete.
11:50Let's talk about...
11:51Sorry, sorry, sorry.
11:52Can I finish?
11:53Can I finish?
11:54Now we'll get to that.
11:55Are you asking me for a break?
11:56Can I finish?
11:57Can I finish?
12:13Can I finish?
12:20Well, that's the point.
12:23In the next segment we'll continue talking about this.
12:25And some of them will give their testimony.
12:27Why did they decide that extraterrestrials exist?
12:31It was a personal experience, they're going to tell about it.
12:32Thank you!
12:48Thank you!
12:51Thank you!
13:01Everyone raises their hand, everyone wants to speak, well, obviously.
13:05Let's see.
13:06It was necessary to clarify.
13:07Oh, let's see.
13:09It was necessary to clarify.
13:10Wait a minute, you talked a lot.
13:12He spoke, he spoke to me.
13:13Dale.
13:14This photo of Pablo Van Kraut, director of the Aurora Group, was taken in Victoria, Entre Ríos.
13:20And here, next to it, see?
13:23Next to the mill, this object appears.
13:26There, look.
13:27There, yes?
13:28Yes, maybe I'll sell it there.
13:29From another camera, at a completely different angle, the same object appears.
13:36Here, and it's enlarged on the other side, where it appears here.
13:41Furthermore, because we don't want to say, well, we photographed it, that's it, it's valid.
13:45When, in addition to the photographs, there are a number of people who certify, that is,
13:50who are witnesses to the sighting, because a photograph alone is not enough, right?
13:55Okay, there it is.
13:55There it is.
13:56That's one point.
13:56No, no, no, stop, stop, stop, stop.
13:58Wait, that's a point.
13:59Okay, I want to know, when you show him that picture, you see a plate there, you say,
14:03It is an unidentified flying object.
14:04What is it?
14:05The American researcher, Philip Klass, who is one of the pioneers.
14:08You don't reach the investigator.
14:10Tell me, what do you say when you see that photo?
14:11That the photo, the video, the photo and the video are not or do not constitute evidence
14:17conclusive of nothing.
14:17But with a group of people who saw it.
14:19They do not constitute conclusive proof of anything.
14:21Because?
14:21And what they saw is yet to be analyzed; what exactly was seen?
14:25What has been seen?
14:26How do you think a civilization...
14:27After 50 years of modern-era UFOs, they still have no concrete proof and
14:32enough to bring here and show us.
14:34The photo is no longer circulating.
14:36The photo is no longer circulating.
14:37The video is no longer playing.
14:38And the Roswell dolls don't run anymore.
14:41The Roswell dolls don't run anymore.
14:43That's proof.
14:44You can't describe it to me.
14:46No, no, no, that's it.
14:46I've already seen that one.
14:47You can't describe it to me.
14:48What's that?
14:50What's that?
14:52When we talk about programmed energies, we have these kinds of photographs taken in
14:59Capilla del Monte, which are programmed, directed intelligences that sometimes make contact
15:04with different people
15:05And this one, just a moment, please stop talking.
15:09And this, and this, and this is clearly showing...
15:13Please, we cannot finish speaking.
15:15What proof do you have?
15:16What's that?
15:16Please, here is the proof.
15:18What's that?
15:18These are photographs taken in 1951 in the United States showing 18 energies.
15:24programmed with intelligent movements and in formation.
15:27Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
15:30Let's be honest, what you showed at the end is a black plate with a bunch of...
15:34Sorry, sorry.
15:36No, no, let's see.
15:37Alejandro, please note, this photo was taken by the La Plata Astronomical Observatory.
15:41Which way does it go?
15:42That's an infiltrator.
15:43I'm going somewhere else!
15:44Alejandro, Alejandro.
15:46Change it.
15:52I want to say something.
15:55I would like to say something that seems a bit tangential, but I think it relates to the matter.
16:01Human beings have an intrinsic need for fantasy.
16:07There are fantasies that help us live.
16:10The photograph does not constitute evidence.
16:14It's very easy to play.
16:17Film evidence.
16:18What you mean is that they fantasize about this.
16:22Okay, wait, wait, wait.
16:24Okay, tell me this, tell me this.
16:26Let's see, stop, stop, stop, tell me, tell me.
16:28Who among you has had contact with an extraterrestrial?
16:32Who among you had that kind of contact?
16:34No, no, no, I saw a dish that had direct contact.
16:37You two.
16:38Before accessing these photographs.
16:40Wait, wait a little bit.
16:41So I want you to tell me, to tell me just one thing.
16:43Or I want you to tell me.
16:45Good.
16:46Why do you think it happened to you and not to him?
16:50Well, I think we need to listen to each other first, because otherwise we're not going to get anything out of all this.
16:56time passes very quickly.
16:59We are Grupo Alfa, from 1987 to the present day we have held 50 scheduled meetings in different
17:07parts of Argentina.
17:09People, lots of people, a total of 4,000 people, 4,000 witnesses that we have seen in the skies, lights that were
17:19They move, they answer our internal signals, telepathic.
17:23And we have obtained 1,500 photographs and 4,000 witnesses, which is sufficient proof of the reality of what...
17:32we are doing.
17:32But, but they already say that you need to fantasize and be capable of fantasizing en masse.
17:35Clear this! Clear this!
17:37They understand this!
17:40One becomes dissociated and has hallucinations.
17:42Will there be 50 programmed hallucinations?
17:45It's a possibility.
17:47Okay, I agree, when we talk about...
17:49Those tests are what ended up with the people of San Antonio.
17:52No, no, no, no.
17:53We'll talk there.
17:55Alexander?
17:56We'll talk there.
17:57That's why, that's why, if everyone looks at it, nothing is understood.
17:59We're about to talk about...
18:00Hold on a second.
18:01...of thousands of people who believe in this.
18:03I agree with that and I think that this is fundamentally a major social phenomenon.
18:08From that point of view, the UFO phenomenon is undeniable.
18:11Now there is a topic that is precisely what gets slipped away here, which is the topic of death.
18:15When 39 people have died, let's rethink things...
18:19Wait, wait, wait.
18:22What are the triggering factors that lead certain individuals to become manipulative?
18:30transmit their delusion to a whole group of people and lead them to their deaths?
18:34That's terrible.
18:36Okay, wait, wait.
18:37Former NASA director Dr. Frederick Bell traveled and piloted a flying saucer.
18:42son of Graham Bell.
18:44There are projects such as SIGM, GRUTGE, and the well-known Blue Book project,
18:48all projects of the United States Air Force.
18:50If the State undertakes the task of investigating a phenomenon about which there is doubt,
18:56over which there are devices that come from other worlds, from other lands,
18:59just like ours.
19:01And well, it means...
19:03As?
19:03Forgive me.
19:05He was right.
19:07He said it very well.
19:10It doesn't even handle the energy needed to put a spacecraft at near-light speeds,
19:17because Einstein's general relativity forbids you from going at the speed of light.
19:21It's incredible.
19:22You don't know, you have no idea what it means to put a...
19:25It's incredible.
19:26You don't always believe it.
19:26This is a case that I even published in Flash, in the same magazine where Magrassi writes.
19:30It's been six years.
19:32I've had something, but it's from a group of you, at least from that trend.
19:37Dante Frank didn't have...
19:39Well, at least some of them.
19:40At least they're riding the wave of some people.
19:43Dante Frank had the nerve to say that extraterrestrial spacecraft had landed in a vacant lot.
19:49and that they came from Venus.
19:51There is radiation...
19:52I answer him.
19:53There is radiation, not radioactivity.
19:55No, no, in the bones of extraterrestrial ships.
19:58Furthermore, the animals...
20:00Ah, from Venus.
20:02Do you have any idea, sir, what it is?
20:04Do you have any idea what the lab says?
20:06Stop, stop, stop, stop.
20:08Stop, stop, stop.
20:09Stop, because if everyone shouts, nothing can be understood.
20:11Even me.
20:12For.
20:13Here we go.
20:14Let's see, it's him.
20:15Let's see.
20:16And I can explain.
20:17Dante Frank, since 1985, has been in contact with these extraterrestrial beings.
20:21Of Venus, of the beaches, of...
20:23And how can you say no?
20:25How can you say no?
20:26But how can he say...
20:28Venus is cooking at 450 degrees Celsius.
20:31It has clouds of acid...
20:32AND?
20:32AND?
20:32And what about mate? Isn't there life in it too?
20:34And what about mate? Isn't there life in it too?
20:34There is no life in Canada.
20:35There is no life.
20:35Do you think there's no life?
20:37Stop, it doesn't make any sense.
20:38I'm not going to do anything.
20:39Nothing makes sense.
20:39Nothing makes sense.
20:41We filmed it, with Alejandro Real as a witness, and then the CGT Galáctica arrived, Chechi,
20:45He makes a flying saucer appear, and there's all the evidence.
20:47What could be simpler than that?
20:49Dale.
20:49But let him say it.
20:50But please, say it.
20:54And well...
20:55Wait, hold on, hold on.
20:56But it's a Galactic CGT.
20:57Please, one second, guys.
20:58Stop.
20:59I tell the lady, in principle, I wouldn't follow anyone who tells me that I have to
21:03kill oneself
21:04Because behind the comet comes a...
21:05Stop, stop for a moment.
21:07Hold on a second.
21:09That, ma'am, that doesn't change the fact that if you go to Victoria and see what I saw in the river,
21:14Or watch the films they have, or the photos they've taken in Victoria...
21:16What did you see? Movies or did you see things in person?
21:19No, no, I saw it personally, but apart from that.
21:21But what I want to explain to you is that there's no way, when that light comes out and turns and comes back in
21:26in the water
21:27And it goes at a speed that's impossible, given our physics, or as they say, give me proof.
21:33There's no way to measure it.
21:34How do you measure whether something is otherworldly or not of our own?
21:37That way, that way...
21:41Stop, stop, stop, let him finish.
21:44Around there...
21:45Stop, we're going, we're going, we're going if you answer him, wait.
21:48Let him finish, here we go.
21:49I am the first skeptic, I am the first skeptic until I try it.
21:52But I do know that there aren't any on Earth, at least I don't know of any, and that's why I believe,
21:57ships capable of entering and exiting the water at that speed and doing what they do.
22:00At least that's what I think, but I would never go after a guy who tells me,
22:03Shoot yourself...
22:04Okay, we'll talk about that now, tell me what you want.
22:06There's an interesting point, I mean, what you're raising is extremely important.
22:09for a primary reason.
22:11You say, well, I see this thing going in and out of the water, right?
22:13But from that original stimulus, yes?
22:15What can I really say for sure?
22:18What can I say?
22:20And there is one issue that must be taken into account, which is the situation of investigating.
22:23The researcher, in principle, does not believe, cannot believe, therefore he investigates, therefore he investigates.
22:30If he believes, if the researcher believes, he has a basic preconception and will try to prove at all costs that his
22:38belief is what he investigates.
22:40There are many researchers, many of whom are here in this forum, who do not need to believe in order to do so.
22:47What do we have? But they don't defend us when we have photos or videos from our own investigations.
22:55Well, but he says the photo isn't proof, and maybe it isn't proof, who knows.
23:01Not now, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
23:03I'm going to do one thing, I'm going to stand, wait, I'm going to stand on this side and
23:06So I'm going to ask you.
23:07I want to ask you something, pay attention.
23:10Can anyone tell me anything about the original stimulus for that photo?
23:12In all seriousness, who can tell me anything concrete about the original stimulus for that photo?
23:16Show me any photo.
23:17Is there anything else?
23:18What do we have?
23:20What do we have?
23:21What do we have?
23:22Jorge, what do we have?
23:22Ok, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
23:25What do we have?
23:27What do we have?
23:27They're all talking at once, you can't understand anything, guys.
23:28What do we have?
23:29Wait, it doesn't make any sense, yes.
23:31The photos are around here somewhere.
23:32Some even before they were employed, and were engaged in other activities, such as business.
23:39And it's incredible how they try to use photographic material to defend their beliefs.
23:46I feel that if they are mystics, they believe that they communicate with extraterrestrials.
23:51Okay, but let them tell us their messages, let them say what the extraterrestrials tell them, let them say what the extraterrestrials' names are,
23:58which planet do they come from?
24:00This way the public has a complete picture of how similar this may be to other sects on our side.
24:05Okay, there it is, it's a proposal. In the next segment we're going to do that, we're going to listen to what they tell us.
24:09Let's look at the calculations, Fabian, how things stand.
24:11UFOs Reality, 1650 votes.
24:14UFOs FICTION, 242 votes.
24:22Okay, now we're going to listen, now we're going to listen to the testimonies.
24:26Pause, we'll be right back.
24:47Thank you!
24:48Thank you!
24:49Thank you!
24:51Thank you!
24:51Thank you!
24:55Thank you!
24:56Thank you!
24:58Okay, here's a proposal. Let's listen to the testimonies.
25:13Do you show photos? Well, let it.
25:17Okay, let's see who was there
25:19Wait, wait, wait
25:20Who among you was there?
25:21I want them to tell me
25:22Which one are you?
25:24Stop, stop
25:25Let's go to the tests
25:26Let's listen
25:27If we keep quiet for a little while
25:29We all listened, and then it was great.
25:30So, who among you has had contact with extraterrestrials?
25:33I asked before, you
25:34Okay, tell me how it went
25:36You know what?
25:37We have a document
25:38That was left by the greatest extraterrestrial
25:41Who is the Son of God
25:42Master Jesus is already on Earth
25:45He is walking and has left the scrolls of the Lamb of God
25:48And these are the proofs.
25:50Can I say that Christ is an alien?
25:53These are the tests
25:55From the construction
25:56Construction, mission, and crew
26:00Of flying saucers
26:01The Holy Scriptures had also mentioned it
26:04Like chariots of fire
26:06Do you belong to a sect?
26:07Stop, stop
26:08No, that's not religion
26:09It is not a sect or any group
26:11But, but, you know what the point is?
26:13The point is that every time one
26:14I mean, I'm putting myself on this side now.
26:16Every time someone asks
26:17Are you a cult?
26:18Cults should never join together as a cult
26:19Okay, tell me
26:20Someone who has had other extraterrestrial contact
26:21I want to talk to you about another ship.
26:23Much better known to all of us
26:25What is the milkman's cart?
26:26Do you remember how it worked?
26:28The horse was wearing a mask.
26:29I say this for both sides of the aisle
26:31When the horse had the blinders on
26:34I saw a part of the whole
26:36Yeah?
26:36When the horse is stripped of the eye mask
26:39It has a wider field of vision
26:41And it can be placed more objectively in life
26:43But I say this for both sides of the table
26:45Because when I am a slave
26:46From my point of view
26:48I don't see the wealth it can have.
26:50The other's point of view
26:51And I see all poverty.
26:53I am tinged with darkness
26:54Besides
26:55With the topic of the
26:56What they cling to
26:59Many non-believers
27:01Or that they believe there is nothing.
27:02I want to tell you that in Buenos Aires
27:04They commit suicide
27:06Much more than 39 people daily
27:08Through the use of automobiles
27:10From the cigarette
27:11About alcohol
27:11Of heartbreak
27:12Yes, it is related.
27:14Because it's a way
27:15By no means
27:17Because we see the tree
27:18And we don't see the forest.
27:19That's what I mean
27:20But I'm talking about extraterrestrial contact.
27:22So, what was your contact?
27:23How did you make contact?
27:24No, I
27:25What I want
27:26What I mean is something else.
27:29No
27:29Okay, what do you mean?
27:32Let's set the record straight
27:34From the point of view
27:34Well, at least
27:36From science
27:37They don't like the word science
27:38Well
27:38Yes, we like it
27:39Come on, okay
27:40I'll tell you something
27:41The optics
27:42The most optician
27:44Perfect in the world
27:45It is astronomical optics
27:47No?
27:48We have the space telescope
27:49The space telescope
27:50That makes you a resolution
27:51One centimeter
27:52In four hundred kilometers
27:53We have all the observatories
27:55From the world
27:55Like this one, for example
27:57Where a lot of money has been spent
27:59Putting machines
28:00And cameras
28:02And photographing space
28:03And never
28:05We found
28:06International observatories
28:08You'll never show
28:09A photograph taken
28:10Through the observatories
28:11Astronomical
28:12And international
28:13Let me finish
28:14International
28:15Now I'm going to explain
28:16Mister
28:16What's that?
28:17Because I saw it too.
28:17When I was studying
28:18Astronomy in La Plata
28:20So, why are they never going to release it?
28:21Who said they'll never release it?
28:23No, but don't tell me
28:25That's a balloon.
28:27That was seen
28:28In 1985
28:29I observed it
28:30With my astronomical telescope
28:32That was seen
28:33September 17
28:34From 1985
28:35At seven in the morning
28:37It was above the city
28:38From Buenos Aires
28:38And I saw it
28:40I saw it under a hundred magnifications
28:41With my astronomical telescope
28:42It's a balloon
28:43That had been launched
28:44In Australia
28:47No, no, I wasn't going to find the wind
28:48It was static
28:49And then
28:49Do you know what altitude it was at?
28:52No, no, no
28:53But I saw it.
28:53Now what does he say?
28:54It's showing things
28:56Press release
28:56From the Air Force
28:58The same day
28:58Saying it's a balloon
28:59But of course
29:01Yes, I saw it.
29:02No
29:03Finished
29:04Contact
29:04I want a contact
29:05I want someone to tell me
29:06How to contact
29:07Forgive me, Alejandro
29:08Do they know what it is?
29:09Astronomical optics?
29:10Have you ever seen
29:11With a telescope
29:13Did they notice?
29:13Look
29:14If I were to take
29:16For
29:16If I were to make a decision
29:18And I would like to put on
29:19Now on this side
29:19To question
29:20Let's see what you all have to say
29:21I could tell you
29:22For example
29:23That when Galileo proposed
29:25The topic of the Earth rotating
29:27There was nobody there
29:27What could I say?
29:29Nobody could measure that
29:30I mean, now putting myself on this side
29:31Nobody could measure it
29:32There was no way to measure it.
29:33They said he was crazy
29:34What I want to hear
29:35It is a testimony
29:35Who can tell me?
29:36Let's see, who?
29:37As?
29:39I, this
29:40In this little book I tell
29:41Seven times I saw
29:42I'm not going to show it much
29:43So they can't say I'm a snitch.
29:44Seven times I saw UFOs
29:45I saw UFOs
29:47Unidentified flying objects
29:48Yeah
29:49But I had an eighth experience
29:51With four other people
29:52That are listed here
29:53With photo and name
29:54Yeah
29:54They towed our car
29:56In Ramallo
29:57And we got off in Zárate
30:00In seconds or in minutes
30:01I don't know
30:02Because we'll never see
30:03How long did it take us?
30:03The only thing I know
30:04That a 240-kilometer trip
30:06That at least it takes a while
30:07Three hours or two hours 50
30:09We did it in an hour and a quarter
30:10What do you think?
30:11How do they explain it to me with science?
30:13Tell me this
30:14Why do you think it was UFOs?
30:14Excuse me, wait, wait
30:15Why did that happen to you?
30:17And doesn't this happen to other people?
30:18Alexander
30:19Ah, bravo
30:20Tell me about that.
30:22Say it
30:22I find it, to say it
30:23No no
30:23No no
30:27That's what I want to tell you.
30:29I'm going to tell you something
30:30About the experience
30:30Do you see a...
30:31Can I talk to you about money?
30:32There have been hundreds of cases
30:34I myself recount that in the year 78
30:35Working at La Razón
30:36I receive a cable from some Chilean brokers
30:38They lift him up in a position
30:40They reach third place
30:41Without going through the second one
30:42And they disqualified him
30:43But no one investigated.
30:45Why didn't the guys go through the people?
30:46The same episode you're telling about
30:47Why is this happening to him?
30:49He has the courage to come out and say it.
30:50Unlike so many others
30:52Which unfortunately
30:52Governments are coming
30:54They pay people to be silenced
30:55As has happened with military pilots
30:57Civil airline pilots
30:59Do you think that's it?
31:01It's a conspiracy of silence.
31:02Conspiracy of Silence
31:03There, now, now
31:04In the same episode of Contás
31:06Eduardo
31:07In the same episode of Contás
31:08You see a mushroom-shaped object
31:10Along the side of the road
31:11No, a light
31:12I mean, a light
31:13A mushroom-shaped light
31:14Beside the road
31:15They get out to take a photograph
31:16And here's the photograph
31:18No, no, no
31:19Why not photograph Melon?
31:20I'll give it to you again
31:21I don't want to be a scapegoat
31:22Where is?
31:22No, no, I'm not saying that.
31:23It says here, it says here
31:24The page does
31:25I understand now
31:26I say in the book
31:27I say in the book
31:30Sorry
31:30It's been read.
31:31Alexander
31:32Alexander
31:33Does the photo say anything?
31:33I didn't believe
31:34We descended
31:35We took the photograph
31:36And we saw how that light
31:37It gradually faded away
31:37No, no, no
31:38I want to make just one
31:39I want to ask a question
31:40This way
31:41What do you mean?
31:42What I want to know
31:44Is
31:44Those who had
31:45Let's see if we can understand each other.
31:47A bit
31:47Because it seems to me
31:48I ask questions
31:49And you don't answer
31:50And when you cannot answer
31:51It seems to me
31:51What's happening
31:52They simply don't have answers.
31:54So I ask
31:55And I want an answer.
31:55Let's see
31:56But you won't let me ask the question
31:58Let me ask the question
31:59Let me ask the question
32:01Leave me alone, listen to me
32:02Listen to me
32:02Listen to me so you can answer me
32:03If we are not convinced
32:04That?
32:06Hello
32:07Okay, listen to me for a bit
32:08What I'm saying is
32:09Who had contact
32:11With the alien?
32:11Who contacted us?
32:13Who?
32:13Did you get in touch?
32:14Tell me how it went
32:16First the gentlemen
32:17They call themselves scientists
32:18We'd have to see
32:18What structure
32:21They're always getting into trouble.
32:22Tell me about the meeting.
32:24That's what I want
32:24Don't tell me, gentlemen
32:25They are scientists
32:26How was the meeting?
32:27It turns out that there are
32:28Extrasensory abilities
32:30In human beings
32:31Both capabilities
32:34Extrasensory
32:34Like psychokinetics
32:35What are influences?
32:36Of the mind
32:37On the subject
32:39Just a moment
32:39They are tested
32:41They are tested
32:41Which?
32:43Are?
32:43Yeah
32:45Sorry
32:46NASA used it
32:47How could we not hear it?
32:50NASA used it
32:52For the Apollo missions
32:55Very good
32:57But one cannot control them.
33:00This has not been proven
33:02Let's see
33:02Wait a minute
33:03Before you continue
33:04The thing for me
33:05It's quite simple.
33:06Most scientists
33:07Serious people of the world
33:09They deny all phenomena
33:10Paranormal
33:10That these people maintain
33:11And the UFO phenomenon
33:13And the UFO phenomenon
33:14Included
33:15Carl Sagan
33:15Asimov
33:16Garner
33:17Let me hear
33:18Sorry
33:18The explanation
33:19Why these people
33:20It does that
33:20It's also very simple
33:22They create everything that
33:23People
33:24He likes to believe
33:26They create it
33:27Do you know why?
33:28To write books
33:29And then make money
33:30Give courses
33:32Conferences
33:32That's why he does it.
33:33That's why scientists
33:34Important people don't do it.
33:36The scientists
33:37Important people don't do it.
33:38Do you know why?
33:39Do you know why they don't do it?
33:41Do you know why they don't do it?
33:42Because they don't need it.
33:43They earn a living
33:45Honestly
33:45Not like you, lying
33:46And only
33:47That's what you think
33:49Here afterwards
33:50Here afterwards
34:08Here afterwards
34:08They don't know me
34:09Because I tell the truth
34:10Do you understand?
34:11You tell me
34:11Therefore, you say
34:12And you take it off
34:13Well
34:15Well
34:16No, no, no
34:16Let's put
34:21I can't hear you
34:22Wait, don't go off-topic
34:23I don't want to change the subject.
34:24No, no, no
34:25I
34:25Please
34:27The man over there spoke about energy.
34:30The man over there spoke about energy.
34:32I would like to know what
34:33He spoke of programmatic energy
34:35I don't know what the hell
34:36I would like to ask this
34:38He spoke of energy
34:39Let's see
34:40Give me a definition.
34:41Simple energy
34:42From classical physics
34:44You are energy
34:45Everything is energy, brother.
34:55But you tell me.
34:56But I'm telling you
34:57Because you don't read anything
34:58Mechanical energy
34:59Let's see
34:59Energy comes from the word
35:00No, no, no
35:01The definition of etymology
35:03I'm not interested
35:05Tell me
35:06Tell me
35:07Tell me the definition.
35:08Scientist
35:09Physics
35:09Current
35:10Energy
35:11From the 19th century onwards
35:12Will you let me speak, Alejandro?
35:14Alejandro, can I talk?
35:15Yes, I think so.
35:16Listen to me for one thing
35:17I don't like the pause
35:18Okay, wait
35:19While they calm down a little
35:20Because things are getting pretty intense.
35:22While they calm down a little
35:23And let's try to understand something
35:24Let's see how the vote counts are going.
35:25Come on, Fabian, give it to me
35:26Support for UFOs Reality 2423
35:31430 UFO FICTION
35:35Okay, next block
35:36Talk later
35:36And we're going to try to talk about this topic
35:38What we had proposed
35:39Yes, what happened in San Diego
35:41And you can come in here
36:09The discussion continues here, there's a pause, and they keep arguing.
36:12Well, sometimes they argue within the same stands.
36:14Sometimes they clash with others
36:15What I told them is
36:17One of the topics of this UFO issue, extraterrestrials
36:21That we had been considering
36:22This was it, the one about what happened in San Diego
36:25And then one of the questions we ask ourselves is
36:27Some of you said that these groups were cults
36:30You said that these groups could be cults
36:32Some of them were sects
36:34When I ask if they are sects
36:35They say they are not sects
36:36So I'm asking someone to tell me
36:39His encounter with extraterrestrials
36:41And nobody tells me.
36:42Okay, you're going to tell me.
36:43Or are you going to talk about something else like before?
36:45I'm going to tell you about a meeting that 80 people had.
36:47With two journalists from Flash magazine
36:49But I need to be allowed to speak.
36:51Okay, short, go ahead
36:52Let's listen to it
36:53Listen to it
36:54Give it to him
36:54Clear
36:55There were 80 of us here.
36:57Facing Mount Uritorco
37:00A ship that was leaving
37:02That was hidden
37:03He would go out, he would hide
37:04At high speed
37:05The journalist was unable to take the photograph.
37:09We joined together telepathically
37:10We asked that ship to pose for the photograph.
37:14And us and the Flash journalist
37:17Which published it in the magazine
37:18We were able to take the photograph
37:21The Omni landed there
37:22He stayed perfectly still for a minute.
37:24He hid
37:25And he never appeared again.
37:27But that's the proof
37:28That telepathic contact
37:30You are personal
37:31Let's see, she
37:31There's something else that looks good
37:33There's something more
37:34Stop talking
37:35Wait a minute
37:36Let's listen to them
37:36Let's listen to them
37:38They were killed in the United States
37:40What telepathic contact did they make with comet 6?
37:43No, they're crazy
37:44They bought the telescope
37:45That I
37:46No, brother
37:47They bought the telescope
37:48They observed
37:49They observed the comet's tail
37:50And there was nothing.
37:51And there was nothing.
37:52Because there was nothing.
37:53What telepathic contact?
37:55Let's see
37:56Tell me, go ahead, let's see
37:57If you want to talk about today
37:59Let's listen to him, go ahead
37:59If they let them speak
38:02Okay, let's listen to it.
38:02If they let us talk for a few minutes
38:04Because you do a lot
38:05Your experience, give it
38:06No, no, no
38:07It's not about experience
38:08That's the issue
38:09Of the 39 people
38:11That they committed suicide
38:12Okay
38:12Okay, what do you mean?
38:14Okay, let me talk.
38:14You've already talked too much.
38:16The issue is the following:
38:19The blame for those 39 deaths
38:22It's misinformation
38:23The lie
38:25All people who lie
38:27Or that denies the thing so
38:28At first glance, like you
38:30It leads to groups of people
38:32They are misinformed
38:34And end up chasing after a sick person
38:36That makes them mentally ill
38:39And they end in suicide
38:40Something that happened
38:42And that can continue to happen
38:43If the governments
38:45If religions
38:46They remain silent
38:47The truth
38:48They know it very well
38:53No, you know what's happening?
38:56Do you know what's happening?
38:58Religious leaders
39:00What did Polanco say?
39:01Let's see
39:01The man just said
39:04Wait a minute
39:05Let's listen to it
39:07And the social projection
39:09About the UFO phenomenon
39:10That's fundamental
39:10Because if we want to do
39:12From this discipline
39:13Investigative
39:13What is omnilogy?
39:14Turn it into science
39:15And try to get to know
39:17Its structure
39:18And its object of study
39:20As it is
39:21The flying object
39:21Unidentified
39:22We need to enroll
39:23In that branch
39:24In the omnilogy
39:25If we do UFO mania
39:26In this explosion
39:27From pseudoscience
39:28And omnilatry
39:29As John Paul says
39:31We ended up with those deaths
39:33That's where those deaths led.
39:36What does hydrolatry mean?
39:38You said a superior brother
39:39Or to believe in the gods
39:40You said a supreme brother
39:41Or a supreme being
39:43You said I had gone down
39:43Do you know why?
39:44Let me explain
39:44Yes, explain it to me
39:45These brothers
39:46They come from other stars
39:48Stop, let him hear
39:50Yes, because this is a universe
39:52Children of one God
39:53And if everyone...
39:54And why are they superior?
39:56Why are they superior?
39:57Because?
39:57Because it's a bigger evolution than ours.
40:00How do you know that?
40:02Because they transmit this
40:04And through the experience that we are having
40:06Let's listen to it, please.
40:07We are in a field
40:09Stop, stop a moment, listen to it
40:11We are in a three-dimensional field
40:13Yeah?
40:14Yeah
40:14They are in the fourth, fifth dimension
40:17How do you know that?
40:18Because contact is made
40:19Dante Frances, one of them
40:20Have you ever contacted one?
40:22She's going to tell you
40:23Did you contact them?
40:24Okay, let's go, stop
40:25Let's listen, do you know how they made contact?
40:26Please, let's listen
40:28Let's listen to her
40:28Then you say what you want
40:29I have no proof
40:30I don't have any photos.
40:31Just my experience
40:32Those who want to believe it, may believe it.
40:33And those who don't, I'm not interested in.
40:35Okay, how did it go?
40:36It was simply my own experience.
40:36This was in Córdoba
40:38I was, let's say, in the upper part of the mountain
40:41At the foot of the little bird
40:42Close to the little bird
40:44And well, I'm walking.
40:45And I feel like I'm going backwards
40:48And I feel like a different energy.
40:50In the body, isn't that right?
40:52And when I turn around
40:54I see a human being
40:56He was like a human being
40:58Humanoid
40:58It was, it had a whole
41:00It was as if he were dressed entirely in blue.
41:03A bright blue
41:04And her face looked very bright.
41:06And the luminous hands
41:08He simply told me to leave it alone.
41:12That was all
41:13That was one of the contacts
41:15As a result, I have had
41:16I've had other physical contacts
41:18I've seen ships too
41:20But no lights
41:22If not, you have seen it materialized
41:23No, you've seen it
41:28Marshall Applewhite
41:29It started like many of you
41:31And he ended up castrated and dead.
41:33There is an old proverb
41:35Sorry, I
41:36Excuse me, please forgive me
41:37I listened to the young lady with all due respect.
41:39I ask that you let me speak
41:40Could be
41:41There is an old proverb
41:43Already
41:44This, an old Chinese proverb
41:45What does it say?
41:46When someone is waiting for a rider to arrive
41:48He needs to take very good care of himself.
41:49Do not confuse the sound of the hooves
41:51With the beating of his own heart
41:53What I want to tell you is this.
41:54It's that many times
41:56Let me speak, please.
41:58I think you're the least qualified person.
41:59When you continue to defend the position
42:00There are people who come from Venus
42:01So, really
42:03What I hurt
42:04Do you know what the problem is?
42:05No, no, no
42:06Do you know why you're the least suitable person?
42:09Because I see
42:09If you'll let me express
42:11If you'll let me express
42:12Okay, listen to it.
42:13What I'm seeing here
42:15Listen to him now
42:15What I'm seeing here
42:16It's just foolish.
42:17A blindness
42:18That you transmit
42:20When they are showing him
42:22Science
42:22What exists
42:24What does not exist
42:25And you are defending
42:26The non-existent
42:27As you defend
42:28The way of life
42:30You don't respect
42:31Scientific knowledge
42:33Let's see if you'll allow me
42:34Let's see
42:34Do you know how to investigate?
42:35A contactee?
42:37No
42:37No, I really
42:38I take care of things
42:39Well, may I answer?
42:40I am a teacher
42:41May I?
42:42If we don't have a little
42:43From didactics
42:43Teaching
42:44We're going to finish
42:45The topic is this
42:47As?
42:48I am a teacher
42:51Of parapsychology
42:52I have a foundation
42:53Look at this
42:54Ah, it gives you a f***ing
42:55To talk about science
42:57I talk about science
42:58Also
42:59He knows that I am
43:00He knows I studied
43:02At the Photo Club
43:02Buenos Aires
43:03Photograph
43:03Laboratory and other
43:04Look, if I don't know
43:05On the topic of photography
43:06But we cannot argue
43:08All
43:08A contactee
43:09It is being investigated using hypnosis.
43:10A contactee
43:11Psychological tests are used in the investigation.
43:13Through parapsychological tests
43:14It is investigated through
43:16Branches of alternative therapies
43:18And so on
43:18Every scientist
43:19This means that a contactee
43:21It is studied beforehand
43:22Before saying
43:23This person is eligible
43:24To appear in the media
43:25Argentina is an underdeveloped country
43:27But in other developed countries
43:29A calm dialogue is scheduled.
43:32Intellectual
43:32To make this a little more viable
43:34And credible
43:35For the public
43:36Because we need
43:37Listen to it
43:38Okay, go ahead
43:40NASA
43:41He's going to spend millions of dollars
43:43To send a spacecraft to Mars
43:44In the next decade
43:45To see if there are
43:47Microorganisms
43:47Fossils
43:48So, there is extraterrestrial life on Mars.
43:50Level
43:51Fossil microorganism
43:52Why don't they come here?
43:54And they speak to you
43:55Which is cheaper?
43:57Because they disqualify us
43:59Then I disqualify us
44:01Why is NASA going there?
44:02And he doesn't talk to you?
44:03Which is cheaper
44:04Because it is
44:05On the part
44:06There you say
44:07Okay, we have 11 planets
44:08Most of them
44:10These are between 8 and 1000 light-years away
44:13These planets
44:15None unfortunately
44:16It has conditions suitable for life
44:19According to physical conditions
44:22Currently studied by astronomy
44:26What do you mean you don't run?
44:27What do you mean you don't run?
44:27Does this help our planet?
44:28Pause
44:30Go ahead, go ahead
44:31No, no, last block
44:32That's it
44:32It just arrived
44:33Give it to him
44:34Computing, Fabian
44:36Those who support
44:37UFOs Reality
44:383,284 votes
44:42UFOFICTION 749
44:45Well
44:47Next block
44:47Final tally
44:49One of the two groups
44:49He has the final say.
44:50And there they'll hear
44:51All the best
44:53All the best
45:04All the best
45:08All the best
45:22Well, we've almost reached the final tallies.
45:24Go ahead, the last few parts, Fabián.
45:263,440 endorsements for UFOs: reality and UFO fiction 808.
45:31Okay, you keep calling, you keep voting, and you keep watching to see if this will be reversed.
45:35Wait a little bit, let's see what they meant.
45:38Surely with this vote you will have the final say.
45:40No, I certainly agree with the vote, personally as a social psychologist.
45:46because there is a belief among all people that UFOs exist
45:51And above all, let's talk, it's a flying saucer and it's extraterrestrial to most people.
45:57Apart from all this somewhat intellectual and passionate discussion that takes place here,
46:02It is a deeply ingrained belief in our society; it depends on our technological society.
46:07in an era in which religion, let's say, has ceased to encompass some aspects of spirituality
46:12human. And people turn, and we all turn, to trying to believe in something that is something more
46:19that the computer,
46:20something more than globalization, something more than the internet.
46:23It is a human right to believe in something, it is a human right to have utopias.
46:27The important thing is that these utopias are at the service of each one of us.
46:31and not at the service of anyone's manipulation.
46:41We have Einstein's name here, most people know who he was, right?
46:46He said, all our reality, all science in the face of reality is primitive and childish.
46:56However, it is the most important weapon and tool we have.
47:01What is it that you are going to say?
47:03What I want to clarify here is that, despite the discussion that is forming about whether there are extraterrestrials or
47:08No,
47:08The problem is here; this whole rise of platinum sects is also related to a crisis of faith that
47:13there is in people.
47:14This is a point, no, no, it's a point that needs to be taken into account.
47:17because many, many of these pseudo-groups claim that they are not sectarian,
47:22which to some extent they are, because they try to send a message that is not the right one.
47:26And this stems from a deep social crisis, and it's not up to us to solve it.
47:30But obviously someone has to take responsibility.
47:32Let's do the final calculations, go ahead Fabián, final calculations, what do we have?
47:35Final tally, Alejandro, Omnis Reality, Supports, 3,559, Omnifiction 845.
47:46Well, that was the point, this is the final word, and from now on the last word will belong to
47:50have them.
47:51Do you speak?
47:52Did I just say "speak, please"?
47:54They have the final say.
47:55Alexander.
47:56You have to get off your high horse.
47:58You have to get off your high horse.
47:59You have to get off your high horse.
48:01Alexander.
48:01I wanted to ask just one question, mainly about beliefs, sects, or things like that.
48:06It is true that Mr. Soto Romero was the leader of your group.
48:12Okay, that's enough.
48:12Now they're talking and that's it, go ahead.
48:14Alejandro, I would like to speak, please, if possible.
48:17The point is that some people need to know where to get information about the topic, right?
48:23Just one minute.
48:25Just a minute, and I ask you, please, to let me speak.
48:27Because we are returning to Peru and we have come here to Argentina to visit different contacts to tell them that
48:35In Peru there are 400 scrolls that talk about the construction of the flying matches.
48:42But what has happened to the contactees?
48:45Unfortunately, they haven't believed us because we gave these books away; we haven't sold them to anyone.
48:51Furthermore, we must say one thing: we are falling into the commercialization of spirituality because we have seen that in the
48:58Besides charging for lectures, books are sold for about 20 pesos each.
49:06And on the other hand, to conclude, to conclude, human science must also come down from its pedestal, do you know why?
49:14Just like the contactees, the contactees don't want to believe us because they are on a pedestal, it's not in their best interest.
49:20Guys, you have the final say, whoever you want to use it, all of you have it.
49:23Human science must also fall or step down from its pedestal, because human science will never believe
49:29of higher science.
49:31Photos or interests related to the UFO topic.
49:33They have to call box 18, Palomar 1684, in Ciudad Jardín Palomar, send to box 18, it
49:41We say, we send the newsletter.
49:43And we'll inform them about the topic. We'll ask them to send us materials.
49:46Can we get there for a minute, a minute of respect for you?
49:48Come on, have a minute of respect, come on.
49:49For the sake of the people at home, please have a minute of respect for the people who are listening.
49:54The Mariner 1 and Mariner 2 spacecraft reached Mars in 1976.
49:58After that, no more spacecraft were able to arrive; NASA does not say why they didn't arrive.
50:01And that man who says they're spending who knows how much to send it, is lying because it's already on its way to
50:05Mars, the last American spacecraft.
50:07And we'll see if they can make it.
50:10The program is over, what are we going to do?
50:11Well, we'll meet again tomorrow with another topic.
50:14And you will have, as always, the determination.
50:17Thank you for coming.
50:18Thank you for coming.
50:19Tomorrow on Face to Face.
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50:23Can women take over men's roles in football?
50:26A woman has power on the court.
50:28Tomorrow, for America.
50:29Thank you.
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