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Este episodio de Archivo Secreto (originalmente de 1963) emitido por el Canal Volver es una pieza histórica de la televisión argentina, ya que muestra el abordaje del fenómeno OVNI desde una perspectiva técnica y testimonial en una época de gran actividad en el país.

Aquí te detallo quiénes eran y qué rol cumplían los protagonistas de esa mesa:

- Rey Millares (Conductor): Pionero del periodismo de investigación en Argentina, conocido por su estilo serio y por tratar temas entonces considerados "tabú".
- Ariel Rietti: Figura clave de la época. Era el secretario de la CNIE (Comisión Nacional de Investigaciones Espaciales), dependiente de la Fuerza Aérea. Fue uno de los primeros funcionarios en sistematizar el estudio de objetos no identificados en el país.
- Secundino Rey y Juan José Signorelli: Ingenieros electrónicos que aportaban la visión científica, analizando la posibilidad física de las maniobras y la propulsión de estos objetos.
- María Angélica Medina: Una de las primeras mujeres piloto de Argentina. Su testimonio era fundamental por su experiencia de 15 años de vuelo, lo que descartaba errores de interpretación comunes (como confundir planetas o reflejos).
- Testigos (Julieta Luro y Rodolfo Altube): Representan el "estallido" de avistamientos en el interior de la Provincia de Buenos Aires (zona de Los Toldos y Junín), un área que históricamente ha reportado gran actividad.

Este programa es recordado porque, a diferencia de los programas actuales, no buscaba el sensacionalismo, sino que sentaba a autoridades del Ministerio de Aeronáutica y profesionales técnicos para discutir la realidad del fenómeno.

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00:28The Holy Spirit
00:59The Holy Spirit
01:23The Holy Spirit
01:26The Holy Spirit
01:26The Holy Spirit
02:21The Holy Spirit
02:26The Holy Spirit
02:56The Holy Spirit
03:26But before that
03:27In 1948
03:29A member of the American Air Force
03:32Captain Manley
03:33He was aboard a fighter jet
03:36The F-51
03:37And it disintegrated into thin air
03:39In full view of many people
03:40And the report
03:41From the Official Commission
03:44He talks about
03:46Contact
03:47With a flying object
03:48Unidentified
03:50What causes the accident?
03:53So there are flying saucers
03:55Of course, there are flying saucers
03:57We know the one that has
03:58Eight meters in diameter
03:59And what is the American Air Force?
04:02It is a technical effort
04:04Not a figment of the imagination
04:06We also know that Italian engineers
04:09They built a flying saucer that flies
04:12But we're not referring to these flying saucers.
04:14But to these others
04:14These others invite us to magic and mystery
04:17Those others who make us doubt
04:20Do flying saucers exist?
04:23Do they not exist?
04:25Mrs. Julieta Luro
04:28Have you ever seen a flying saucer?
04:32I saw it personally
04:34It's not that nobody told me.
04:36But I personally saw a flying saucer
04:38And where did I see a flying saucer?
04:40300 kilometers from the capital
04:42Where?
04:43300 kilometers from the capital
04:44In the Los Toldos area
04:45From Los Toldos?
04:46The province of Buenos Aires
04:48So close to here
04:50This is so fake magic
04:51You have seen something that
04:53For those of us who haven't seen it
04:54It really seems magical.
04:56Yes, but I've seen it myself.
04:59Didn't he dream it?
04:59I didn't dream it
05:00I saw it in person.
05:02Pilot Ariel Rieti
05:05You who are the founder
05:06From the Argentine Interplanetary Society
05:09And he has been secretary
05:10From the National Commission for Space Research
05:13From the Ministry of Aeronautics
05:15So he has held an official position
05:17Do you think that Mrs.
05:19Could he have seen a flying saucer?
05:22Well, I think so.
05:23That he may have seen it
05:25As many people have seen
05:27In many parts of the world
05:28And even how they record it
05:30On radar screens
05:32So my answer
05:33It is absolutely possible.
05:35That he saw it
05:36Do you think it's possible?
05:41Engineer
05:41You
05:42He also has plenty of qualifications
05:47That allow us to know
05:48That the engineer Secundino Rey
05:50He is an electronics engineer
05:51And that he has graduated
05:53In the year 1928
05:55At the University of Chicago
05:56It has added to his life
05:58A series of works
05:59That have allowed him
06:00Achieve other titles
06:01With whom I will return
06:02In a moment
06:03He has sufficient authority
06:05To clarify
06:06Do you think
06:07That my friends
06:09They may have seen
06:10These flying saucers?
06:11Do you believe they exist?
06:13Science does not accept
06:15At the present time
06:17The existence of flying saucers
06:22They can
06:24Appearing as fantasies
06:26Whether in the mind
06:28Or in the way of interpreting
06:31Atmospheric phenomena
06:33Electrical, etc.
06:35At the moment we don't have
06:37Not even in the laboratory
06:39Not even in scientific matters
06:42Nothing I take for granted
06:45The existence of flying saucers
06:47That is to say, you
06:48Can you give me an idea?
06:49About what
06:50What a pilot
06:52From knowledge
06:53And the values
06:55From the pilot
06:56Rieti
06:59And the lady's seriousness
07:01Luro
07:01They may be affected
07:02In one case
07:03In the case of the pilot
07:04For an interpretation
07:05Not exact
07:05Of things
07:06That concern
07:06To air navigation
07:07And in the case
07:08From Mrs. Luro
07:09There may be an excess
07:09Fantasy
07:10There may be a hallucination
07:12I insist again
07:13UFOs exist
07:14The flying object
07:16Unidentified
07:17But the flying saucer
07:18But the dish
07:19The word flying saucer
07:21What does fantasy mean?
07:23Properly
07:23For now
07:24We cannot
07:25Under the scientific guise
07:27To say that it exists
07:28Thank you very much, engineer.
07:32This is getting out of hand.
07:33Very interesting
07:33For now
07:35We have two voices
07:36They tell us yes
07:37Some that tell us no
07:39Let's look
07:40More people
07:41We're going to gather
07:42New living pages
07:44From our secret archive
07:46And with
07:47Those new words
07:49We will provide the basis
07:50Our criteria
07:51A pause, please.
07:55A ship
07:56Don't touch it
07:58The surface of the water
07:59It looks like a thing
08:00Purely imaginative
08:01It seems like a hallucination
08:03However
08:04There is a regular line
08:05In England
08:06Of ships
08:08They are sailing
08:10One meter
08:11Above
08:11From the surface of the water
08:12They are sailing
08:14On an air mattress
08:15And they're not small boats
08:17They have 27 tons
08:18And they develop
08:20One speed
08:2027 knots
08:22That is to say
08:2227 nautical miles
08:24Per hour
08:25With 33 or 34 kilometers
08:26Per hour
08:28These ships exist
08:31If someone told us
08:32That are
08:33We wouldn't believe it
08:34He's hallucinating
08:36Let's go back
08:37Lady
08:39You haven't seen
08:40Ships
08:41Don't let them touch the water
08:42And sail
08:44But you have seen
08:45A flying saucer
08:45Yeah
08:46I've seen him
08:47Can you tell us
08:48What was your experience in detail?
08:49Yes, of course.
08:51Tell us
08:52It was in the countryside
08:53In the room
08:54From my mother
08:54In the area
08:55From the awnings
08:57And I was
08:58Out at night
08:59Looking at the sky
09:00As in general
09:01I do it in the summer
09:02Night
09:02After eating
09:03It was 11 o'clock at night
09:04More or less
09:05I was looking at the sky
09:07And I began to see
09:08An object
09:09That I didn't know what it was
09:10It was a light
09:10Very powerful
09:12And big
09:13That it was starting to go down
09:14Go down
09:15But not to go down
09:16Like a star
09:17Falling
09:17But to go down
09:18In one way
09:20Flying
09:20Moving
09:21On one side
09:21For another
09:23And slowly
09:25Sound?
09:26No sound
09:27Ah, in silence
09:28In silence
09:29At least
09:29I didn't hear a sound
09:30He always moved slowly
09:31Slowly
09:32And didn't that go away afterwards?
09:34No, it kept going down
09:35It continued to descend
09:36Until we arrive
09:36Still
09:37More or less
09:38In the field really
09:39It cannot be calculated
09:40The distances
09:41It's very difficult
09:42Because it was open countryside
09:43But
09:44More or less
09:45I calculate
09:46About 200 meters
09:47Or 300 meters
09:48From the land
09:49And that's where it stayed.
09:51Floating in the air
09:52Floating in the air
09:53And moving
09:54To and fro
09:55Without any noise
09:56No smell
09:57Nothing
09:58I was petrified
09:59Petrified
10:00Looking at him
10:00I couldn't move
10:02And this
10:03It stayed there
10:04A time
10:04I don't know
10:05I reckon it must have been
10:06No, I can't.
10:07Maybe
10:0815, 20 minutes
10:09Half an hour
10:09And then it began
10:11And you there
10:11This is Lot's wife
10:12A statue of salt
10:13A statue of salt
10:14Looking
10:15Because also
10:16I didn't dare to move
10:17I wanted to see what was going on
10:18And who interrupted the appointment?
10:20Did you leave, or did the plate leave?
10:21No
10:21I kept looking
10:22Until the plate left
10:23I wanted to see what it was that
10:25And did it leave slowly too?
10:26Or at high speed?
10:27No
10:27He left slowly first
10:28It slowly began to rise
10:30I was going up
10:31I was going up
10:31And then
10:32Much lighter
10:33And after that I never lost sight of it
10:35And your impression?
10:37My impression
10:39This
10:40Yeah
10:42I was very nervous
10:44And it was
10:44I was impressed
10:45But a brother of yours?
10:46Did I have a similar experience?
10:47Yeah
10:47A brother of mine too
10:48What happened to him?
10:49My brother was plowing
10:50Also in that same field
10:53This
10:53I was plowing
10:54It was 10 pm
10:56And a light
10:57A very big light
10:58And very powerful
10:59He wounded them
11:00For a very long time
11:01But he didn't see it.
11:03But when he returned to the field
11:04The people of the town
11:05And the people from the surrounding area
11:06He went to see
11:07What had happened?
11:09Those are the awnings too
11:10Those are the awnings.
11:15Sun in the countryside
11:16Winter and summer
11:17What is a woman?
11:17That he's not afraid of anything
11:19This
11:20One night
11:21Coming from eating
11:22From another room
11:24I saw a light
11:26He was coming in his car
11:27And I saw a light
11:29And he arrived at the gate
11:30And that light
11:30It began
11:31It stayed there
11:32It wasn't moving anymore
11:33It stayed there
11:34And it turns out that he
11:35They turned off
11:36The car's headlights
11:38And it
11:40I saw that light
11:40And I saw her as very powerful.
11:42So
11:42He wanted to turn the car around
11:43And return
11:44He didn't dare to go in
11:44Through the gate
11:45He didn't dare.
11:46Because the light was there
11:47And he didn't leave
11:48A very big light
11:49What color?
11:50Orange
11:51And what was yours?
11:52Orange too
11:55This
11:57So
11:57He got back into the car
11:58The car afterwards
11:59He tore it out
11:59He turned it over
12:00And he returned to the room
12:01Where she had come from
12:03Then they left
12:04Everyone who was there
12:05She wasn't the only one who saw it
12:06But everyone
12:06They were there eating
12:07That different people
12:08From the family
12:09Four or five people
12:11They all left
12:11Because she came back
12:12A woman who doesn't have him
12:13But I wasn't going anywhere.
12:14Because she lives alone in the countryside
12:15So he turned
12:17Yellow
12:18With a terrible fright
12:20Saying
12:20I saw a flying saucer
12:21I saw something
12:22What is a flying saucer?
12:23Then they all came out
12:25All my uncles
12:26And the people who were there
12:28Armed
12:28With shotguns
12:30And with revolvers
12:31And everyone
12:31Let's see what happens
12:32Let's see what they could find.
12:34And they arrived at the quiet
12:35And there was the flying saucer.
12:37Still
12:37Mrs. Luro
12:38Thank you very much
12:40Much of your contribution
12:42I don't know in that case
12:43From her aunt
12:43Or in the case
12:44From his brother
12:44What reasons
12:45They will have attracted
12:46To the flying saucer
12:46In your case
12:48It's obvious
12:49Even the Martians
12:50They're going to come and see her
12:50Thank you very much, ma'am.
12:53Engineer Secundino Reyes
12:56I feel sorry for you.
12:57Affection
12:57Respect
12:58And admiration
12:59That their titles
13:00And his action
13:01They deserve
13:01But as you
13:03At the moment
13:03He's not the person he usually is anymore.
13:05For all of us
13:06But it's you
13:06A living page
13:08It is an oral leaflet
13:10From our secret archive
13:12I would like you to
13:13He told me
13:13What are the titles?
13:14That pay the authority
13:16So that you feel
13:16At this table
13:18Good
13:20In electronics
13:21I am an engineer
13:22Since 1928
13:25I also have
13:27At the moment
13:28The address
13:29From the department
13:30Scientist
13:31From one of the sessions
13:33From the TNU
13:33Ibero-American
13:34I am a member
13:36Of honor
13:37From the commission
13:39Directive
13:40From the Argentine circle
13:41Of inventors
13:43I also have
13:4415 communications
13:47Female scientists
13:48Delivered
13:49To the universities
13:51From all over the world
13:51On questions
13:53From a new theory
13:54Cadecampo says
13:58Laureate
13:59Due to various
14:03Inventions
14:03Argentinians
14:04In the eighth
14:05And the ninth contest
14:06With gold medals
14:07And first prize
14:09And you, with this background
14:11It's so valuable
14:12What do you think?
14:12From what you've heard?
14:14Well
14:15My opinion
14:16We are at a moment
14:18Very difficult
14:19To determine
14:20If the UFO
14:22It exists as
14:23Entity
14:25Fantasy
14:26Or if it really is
14:28Something new
14:29That universal physics
14:31It's going to bring us
14:32I think
14:34I think it's happening
14:34As happened
14:35At the end of the century
14:37Past
14:38When astronomers
14:39They believed
14:40And they were safe
14:41Per se
14:42In the statements
14:43That no one
14:44None
14:46Uranolith
14:46The stones of the sky
14:47They could be from abroad
14:49They all had to
14:50To belong
14:51To the land
14:52Subsequently
14:53It was demonstrated
14:54No
14:54That there was a concept
14:55Mistaken
14:56It means
14:57That still
14:57In the mind
14:58From the scientists
15:00There may be errors.
15:01In this case
15:03UFOs
15:04They really exist
15:05I have been able to
15:07Confirm one of them
15:09But I can't say
15:10It was a flying saucer.
15:11That?
15:12You admit
15:13That there are flying objects
15:15Unidentified
15:15Unidentified
15:16With the initials
15:17Of flying object
15:19Unidentified
15:20UFO
15:21It's from the word
15:21UFO
15:22UFO
15:22That is not a synonym
15:23Flying saucer
15:24Not at all
15:25Uh-huh
15:25At all
15:26But he doesn't rule it out.
15:27The idea
15:28That there's something strange
15:29In space
15:29We invite you to visit us.
15:30Exact
15:31I don't rule it out
15:32That idea
15:33Now
15:34The UFO case
15:36That I mention to him
15:37It was
15:38From one of the satellites
15:40Apparently
15:41Of those I see
15:41Nightly
15:42But that upon arrival
15:44To CENI
15:44Instead of doing
15:45Its orbital path
15:46As was his due
15:48Immediately
15:49He made a move
15:50From one angle
15:5190 degrees
15:52That's what it's called.
15:53Powerfully
15:54The attention
15:54Without meaning
15:55Let it be
15:56A flying saucer
15:57And the observation
15:58Did you make it?
15:58Naked eye
15:59Or with a lens?
15:59With the naked eye
16:00At that point
16:01There is no lens
16:01That I can observe nothing
16:04Perfect
16:04Very interesting
16:05And you
16:06Miss Pilot
16:07María Angélica Medina
16:09Do you have any experience?
16:10Do you have any experience?
16:10What story should we tell ourselves?
16:11Well, yes
16:11I saw it here
16:12In Buenos Aires
16:13In the High Sky
16:14We'll see from Buenos Aires
16:15Flying or on the ground?
16:16No, on land
16:17In a raffle
16:18From a private house
16:19I've seen them move
16:21Always heading north
16:22The south
16:22South-north
16:23In the end
16:23Always at the cardinal points
16:25Ah, but I've seen it several times.
16:26The same phenomenon
16:27I saw it in 1962
16:28Twenty times
16:29So far this year
16:30Thrice
16:31And what appearance
16:32It has these elements
16:33What do you see?
16:33Well, that aspect
16:34I don't know if you've seen
16:35The satellite
16:36What's happening now?
16:37Nightly
16:38This
16:39Like a spotlight
16:42But not with a bright light
16:43More like a reddish light
16:45Bluish
16:46Yellowish
16:47It keeps changing
16:48Now, this is a terrifying speed
16:50Very fast
16:51Extremely fast
16:52Extremely fast
16:53I've seen it very high.
16:54I haven't been lucky
16:55To see it closer
16:56No?
16:57So that I can give more details
16:58Very good
17:00It's extremely interesting.
17:01Your opinion
17:01Especially in someone
17:02He's used to it.
17:04What is a pilot?
17:05She's already been kissed
17:05And it won't confuse
17:06And it won't confuse
17:07With a plane that is passing by
17:08Nor anything like that
17:10How long have you been a pilot?
17:11Are you, Miss Medina?
17:1315 years
17:14Thank you very much for your opinion.
17:17After a brief pause
17:19We will continue
17:20Checking the live leaves
17:22From our secret archive
17:32Mr. Rodolfo Altuve
17:34Do you have something to tell us?
17:35About this
17:36Do you have any personal experience?
17:37Yeah
17:37You lived it.
17:38Exactly
17:39What happened?
17:41I was heading from the city of Junín
17:43To the one on July 9th
17:44In a friend's car
17:46When approximately
17:4840 kilometers away
17:49From the city of Junín
17:50This
17:52It seemed to us that in parallel
17:53Us
17:54A light
17:56He continued
17:57On the same path
17:58So
17:59What color?
18:01Well, it was intense.
18:02A little pink
18:04That light
18:05Suddenly
18:06He described an arc
18:07On the way
18:08And it was located in the part
18:10Let's say
18:11Rear of the car
18:12How far away is that?
18:13Could Buenos Aires be there?
18:14Well, about 250 kilometers
18:18Well, this
18:19We went down
18:20The object would be suspended
18:22About 200 meters from the car
18:25And then
18:26And the ground?
18:28They could be some
18:305 or 10 meters
18:32Now, right?
18:33Almost displaced from the ground
18:34Practically
18:35AND?
18:36Well, this
18:37It was approximately
18:38One minute suspended
18:40And then it was lost
18:41On the horizon
18:44That's all his experience.
18:45Thank you
18:46You engineer
18:48Juan José Señores
18:49You
18:50What is an electronics engineer?
18:51And has been a member
18:53From the Press Office
18:54From the Circle of Inventors
18:56I know that for you
18:57All these elements
18:59That can be seen from the air
19:00They are nothing more
19:02That a natural phenomenon
19:04That can be explained
19:05Through the path of natural physics
19:07Yes sir
19:08Give me your opinion on this.
19:09I think they are machines
19:11They are in trials
19:12Since we have the evidence
19:14From certain photos
19:15Publish them in the magazine
19:16From the United States
19:18It's the only opinion.
19:19That I can give
19:20So
19:20Flying saucer as such
19:22Do you think it can be seen here?
19:23You can see
19:24Yeah
19:24And will there be any natural force?
19:27Some kind of force
19:28Similar to that of lightning
19:29For example
19:30That it can manifest itself
19:31Under those conditions
19:32Like a ball of fire
19:33Suspended in the air
19:34That can simulate
19:36A luminous object
19:37Who follows someone
19:38Like St. Elmo's fire
19:39The ends of the ships
19:40TRUE?
19:41What speed are you going, sir?
19:42Thank you very much for your opinion.
19:44You, who are a technician
19:46Are you sure?
19:48What flying saucers
19:49Are they still flying?
19:50Absolutely
19:51And that we have machines
19:52Everywhere
19:53Well, there are many thousands.
19:54From people who are safe
19:55One day we're going to have to
19:56Open a survey
19:57To find out
19:58Who's running that?
19:59Who is doing it
20:01Thank you very much for your contribution
20:02He was very grateful.
20:04Engineer
20:05You
20:06Has
20:07A very interesting piece of work
20:09On the planet Fogos
20:10Can you tell us
20:11Briefly
20:12What's that?
20:13Yeah
20:14Is
20:14Actually
20:16It was called
20:17Operation Fogos
20:18It's a satellite
20:20It is the first satellite
20:22From the planet Mars
20:23It consisted
20:25In which man
20:26I could place
20:27Around the Earth
20:29Within the zone
20:31Of gravity
20:32A satellite
20:34That he could
20:35Orbit
20:36Within time
20:37Rotation
20:37From the Earth
20:38That is to say
20:3986,400 seconds
20:41Per day
20:43This was sent
20:44To the United States
20:45And I'm in touch
20:47With NASA
20:48What is NASA?
20:50POT
20:50It is the National Administration
20:52Aeronautics
20:53And Space
20:54In the United States
20:55It's the one that does
20:56Shipments
20:57At the moment
20:58In spatial matters
21:00And I have an answer.
21:02And I have been honored
21:03Even up to
21:04With mailbox
21:05Special
21:06For my letters
21:07In this operation
21:09Fires
21:09It becomes evident
21:11That the man
21:11It may come someday
21:13To be specified
21:15Satellites
21:16Time
21:17Land
21:18And currently
21:19This was four years ago.
21:20That I sent
21:21Everything to the United States
21:22And currently
21:23He
21:24Synchron
21:25That is to say
21:26The satellite
21:26What does the United States have?
21:28Located in orbit
21:29At the same height
21:30In the same direction
21:31With the same dynamics
21:33It matches exactly
21:34To the operation
21:35Fires
21:36Thank you so much
21:37Thank you for your contribution
21:39As if that weren't enough
21:40We would have material left over.
21:41From Japan
21:44A magazine
21:45That deals with
21:46Exclusively
21:46Of flying saucers
21:47And the objects
21:48Unidentified
21:49But not only Japan
21:51It is being taken care of
21:52About that
21:53All countries
21:54They have magazines
21:55How are you
21:58From the United States
22:00Or like this
22:02From Germany
22:06And in a
22:07Our
22:08From Argentina
22:11What is
22:12The newsletter
22:12From the Commission
22:13Observer
22:13Of flying objects
22:15Unidentified
22:16Belonging
22:17Per year
22:181962
22:20Lots of news
22:21Interesting
22:22But one that stands out
22:22May 11
22:241962
22:25Bahía Blanca
22:27Buenos Aires
22:27The captain
22:29Eladio M.
22:31Vázquez
22:31And the second
22:33Commander
22:34From the naval area
22:34Captain
22:36Aldo Molinari
22:37They reported that
22:38While they were
22:40Waiting in spore
22:41To the military mission
22:43North American
22:45At 7:40 p.m.
22:48They saw
22:49An object
22:50Flying
22:51Unidentified
22:54What do you think?
22:57And you
22:58What do you think?
22:59Of all this?
23:07What do you think?
23:09Of all this?
23:18Okay, my friends.
23:21We save it in our folders
23:23These living leaves
23:26That dramatically
23:27They refer to
23:29What for them
23:30It's part of his life
23:31Because they know
23:32What they're talking about
23:32Because they have lived it.
23:33Because they have studied it
23:36These living leaves
23:37In one way
23:38Or another
23:39They have given us
23:40To glimpse the possibility
23:41That in our space
23:43There are flying saucers
23:44Or something else
23:45Unidentified
23:46Which remains
23:47Still a mystery
23:48For all of us
23:49See you soon
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