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Este video del programa Zona Infinito, emitido originalmente alrededor del año 2000, presenta una entrevista al investigador chileno Jorge Anfruns Dumont, quien analiza diversos aspectos del fenómeno OVNI en Chile.
A continuación, se detallan los puntos más relevantes abordados en la entrevista:
1. El incidente Valdés (1977): El hito temporal
Este bloque se centra en el caso más famoso de Chile. Lo más relevante no es solo la desaparición física del cabo ante su patrulla, sino las evidencias materiales que desafiaron la lógica:
- La paradoja del tiempo: El crecimiento de la barba sugiere que, para el cabo, pasaron días, aunque para el mundo solo fueron 15 minutos.
- Reacción biológica: El comportamiento inusual de los caballos refuerza que no fue una alucinación colectiva, sino un evento con impacto en el entorno físico.
2. Perspectiva histórica y ancestral: Ufología en el pasado
Jorge Anfruns propone que el fenómeno no es moderno, sino que ha sido interpretado según la cultura de cada época:
- Interpretación colonial: Analiza La Araucana como una crónica de avistamientos donde lo tecnológico se describía como "nubes" o "diosas".
- Sabiduría mapuche: Destaca cómo la mitología indígena ya contemplaba dimensiones paralelas (Wenu Mapu) y la relatividad temporal, sugiriendo un contacto milenario con estas "luces".
3. Casuística regional: Evidencias físicas y médicas
El bloque detalla incidentes en el norte de Chile con efectos secundarios concretos:
- Efectos térmicos: Quemaduras tipo solar en carabineros y alteración de minerales en las rocas.
- Abducción y medicina: El caso del niño aymara introduce el componente de los exámenes médicos y cicatrices geométricas, un patrón común en la ufología global.
4. Análisis conceptual: humanoides y "terricología"
La parte final de la entrevista rompe con los clichés de la ciencia ficción:
- El factor humano: Según sus datos, la mayoría de los testigos reportan seres de apariencia humana, no monstruosa.
- Estrategia de contacto: Plantea que los OVNIS realizan una "pedagogía gradual" para acostumbrarnos a su presencia.
- Giro filosófico: Anfruns concluye que el mayor misterio no está en el espacio, sino en el comportamiento humano y sus contradicciones (la "Terricología").
A continuación, se detallan los puntos más relevantes abordados en la entrevista:
1. El incidente Valdés (1977): El hito temporal
Este bloque se centra en el caso más famoso de Chile. Lo más relevante no es solo la desaparición física del cabo ante su patrulla, sino las evidencias materiales que desafiaron la lógica:
- La paradoja del tiempo: El crecimiento de la barba sugiere que, para el cabo, pasaron días, aunque para el mundo solo fueron 15 minutos.
- Reacción biológica: El comportamiento inusual de los caballos refuerza que no fue una alucinación colectiva, sino un evento con impacto en el entorno físico.
2. Perspectiva histórica y ancestral: Ufología en el pasado
Jorge Anfruns propone que el fenómeno no es moderno, sino que ha sido interpretado según la cultura de cada época:
- Interpretación colonial: Analiza La Araucana como una crónica de avistamientos donde lo tecnológico se describía como "nubes" o "diosas".
- Sabiduría mapuche: Destaca cómo la mitología indígena ya contemplaba dimensiones paralelas (Wenu Mapu) y la relatividad temporal, sugiriendo un contacto milenario con estas "luces".
3. Casuística regional: Evidencias físicas y médicas
El bloque detalla incidentes en el norte de Chile con efectos secundarios concretos:
- Efectos térmicos: Quemaduras tipo solar en carabineros y alteración de minerales en las rocas.
- Abducción y medicina: El caso del niño aymara introduce el componente de los exámenes médicos y cicatrices geométricas, un patrón común en la ufología global.
4. Análisis conceptual: humanoides y "terricología"
La parte final de la entrevista rompe con los clichés de la ciencia ficción:
- El factor humano: Según sus datos, la mayoría de los testigos reportan seres de apariencia humana, no monstruosa.
- Estrategia de contacto: Plantea que los OVNIS realizan una "pedagogía gradual" para acostumbrarnos a su presencia.
- Giro filosófico: Anfruns concluye que el mayor misterio no está en el espacio, sino en el comportamiento humano y sus contradicciones (la "Terricología").
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00:02This is Jorge Dumont, thank you for joining us.
00:05A pleasure.
00:07Jorge comes from Chile and knows real stories and has answers to so many questions.
00:16The UFO phenomenon is surely also a central topic of debate and discussion in Chile.
00:23beyond governments and beyond organizations and scientific curiosities.
00:29But this journalist is unaware of the Valdés case and would really like to share it with our people.
00:34Well, to talk about the Valdés case we have to go to the northern part of the country.
00:38This occurred on April 25, 1977 in Pampa, Yuskuma, 5 kilometers from Putre.
00:48at an altitude of approximately 3,000 meters.
00:52There was a conscript patrol in charge of a corporal, Armando Valdés Garrido,
00:57who are going on a night watch near a stable.
01:05Suddenly, around 4 in the morning, a light appears,
01:12then he accompanies her to another light,
01:14One is located behind a hill like the one we have back here,
01:19and the other one begins to advance slowly into the valley.
01:22The corporal orders them to extinguish the campfire they had at that moment,
01:26to protect themselves from the cold of the high plateau,
01:30And as the light progresses,
01:33He orders all the men to gather around him,
01:35And faced with this panic and this fear,
01:38They begin to pray,
01:41to cling to the only thing they know that can protect them.
01:45And in an act that was perhaps heroic or irresponsible,
01:53Depending on how you look at it,
01:56the corporal goes ahead,
01:59enter the light,
02:01and tells them to please identify themselves,
02:04who they are,
02:05obeying the military psychic structure.
02:08And at that moment,
02:10The patrol sees him enter the light and disappear.
02:14Then afterwards, when the light disappears,
02:17He begins,
02:18The rest of the soldiers begin to search for him,
02:20because it is a phenomenon that would be the same
02:22that you would disappear before him,
02:23I'll come find you here.
02:25And when they are looking for him,
02:27Time passes, time passes,
02:29that time that no one measures,
02:31because it is a time of fear,
02:33It is the time of the unknown,
02:36And the light was still there,
02:37and the corporal had disappeared.
02:40To be brief,
02:41I'll tell you that it's estimated to happen in 15 minutes.
02:45and the cape falls,
02:47It does not appear,
02:48He falls next to the patrol car.
02:52In a trance-like state,
02:54He spoke words that made no sense,
02:59and the conscripts help him,
03:03They try to cheer him up,
03:05and in one of those moments he acts almost robotic,
03:07says,
03:08You will never know who we are
03:11nor where we come from,
03:13But we will return.
03:15And the conscripts who were next to them
03:18They didn't understand anything.
03:19So,
03:21suddenly,
03:22knowledge goes to the floor
03:24And there he stays, sleeping.
03:26Did he look the same?
03:28when he had appeared,
03:30missing?
03:31Was there any transformation?
03:32Yeah,
03:33There is a very important detail.
03:34He,
03:34in the morning,
03:35when he received the guard,
03:38He had shaved
03:40by presentation,
03:42and on that day
03:44who lives the experience,
03:45the cape appears
03:46with a very long beard.
03:47I'm not going to say how many days
03:49because I don't have a beard gauge,
03:51But he was very grown up.
03:53But in the absence of 15 minutes,
03:55Someone who knows about this,
03:57to shave?
03:58It wasn't that big of a deal.
04:00Another fact
04:01which is important,
04:02that many people think
04:04that the UFO phenomenon
04:06can only be
04:07in the human mind.
04:08That's how it is.
04:09The Thousand Horses
04:10who were right there,
04:11instead of starting
04:12Faced with this phenomenon,
04:13They grouped together.
04:15His ears drooped.
04:17It's an important detail.
04:19Well,
04:20after that,
04:21This case has a
04:22very special relevance.
04:24The corporal in the morning
04:26wakes up
04:26and asks
04:27to their
04:29conscripts
04:29Had they seen
04:31The same thing I had seen?
04:32And the conscripts
04:33everyone said
04:34Yeah,
04:34Yeah,
04:34We saw him come in
04:35And you disappeared.
04:37The news breaks
04:38around there
04:38by May 17th
04:42and it is known
04:43and it is the emblematic case
04:44in Chile
04:46and outside of Chile.
04:48There's a detail.
04:49Then,
04:50through a state of exception,
04:51This news
04:52suffers censorship
04:53And it's the only case
04:55of Chilean omniology
04:57that has censorship.
04:58But also
04:59I must be honest
05:00and correct
05:01by saying that the army
05:02issued a statement
05:04saying that
05:05the version delivered
05:06by the cape
05:07to the press
05:09It's totally
05:10concordant
05:11to which they
05:11They have the following information,
05:13but making it clear
05:14that they don't get involved
05:15in establishing
05:18the origin of the phenomenon.
05:19When we talk
05:19of phenomena
05:20And people are thinking about Chile,
05:21What can be said?
05:23Look,
05:24I could tell you
05:25many things.
05:26The first surprise
05:26that I had
05:27when doing a job
05:27documentary research
05:29in my country
05:29was finding
05:30that in the book
05:32where I learned
05:32the epic poem
05:34The Laucana
05:34There are two cases
05:36exceptional
05:37told by Alonso
05:38Cid and Zúñiga.
05:39First,
05:41Look at the agreement.
05:42April 23
05:43from the year 1554,
05:47the Chair
05:48in his song
05:48ninth
05:49establishes
05:50that in the middle
05:50of a battle
05:51among the Spanish
05:53and the Mapuche
05:55burst into cloud
05:56in which
05:57A woman was coming.
05:59The Chair
05:59He was not delusional,
06:01He was an intellectual.
06:02Maybe
06:03We were rewarded
06:05through the colony
06:06from Spain
06:07that they sent us
06:08an intellectual
06:09because he was
06:10recounting the battle
06:11and had to recount
06:12the emergence of the cloud
06:12where a woman was coming.
06:14Furthermore,
06:16he is invited later
06:17to a cave
06:18by a wise Araucanian
06:19because wisdom
06:21It connects.
06:22Always.
06:24They take him to a cave
06:25and they show him
06:26a sphere
06:26that twelve men
06:28with the hands
06:28extended
06:29They couldn't hug.
06:31The fantastic
06:31was that this sphere
06:34it was turning
06:34at its center
06:36and the Chair
06:37you can see
06:38even the smallest ones
06:40vermin
06:40inside
06:41of the sphere.
06:44In the year 1500.
06:461500.
06:46And because of the dimension
06:48that he gives
06:49He wasn't there.
06:50in a cave
06:51It's in a hangar.
06:52So
06:53like this program
06:55tends to inform
06:56we would say that
06:57native cultures
06:58they already knew
06:59from this.
07:01And it's even more
07:03to add.
07:04Then he says
07:05in one of his last songs
07:07that one night
07:09suffers something
07:09that paralyzes his arm
07:11The pen falls out
07:12and a goddess appears.
07:14And he
07:15Identify this goddess
07:16with the goddess Bellona
07:17who is a goddess
07:18from Roman mythology.
07:20A goddess of war
07:21which came accompanied
07:21of the three Furies
07:22that they take it
07:23They take him upstairs
07:24from a hill
07:24and from there
07:25They transport him to Europe.
07:26And then
07:27They leave him in Chile again.
07:29That's how it is today
07:29We know it as abduction.
07:31The cloud
07:31the term homi
07:33did not exist
07:33in the 500s.
07:34So
07:34That's the description
07:36of a cultured man
07:37influenced
07:38through Greek culture
07:39and Roman.
07:39Are kidnappings happening?
07:40in these terms?
07:42Yeah
07:43perfectly.
07:44The kidnapping
07:45not only appears
07:46in 1554
07:47in Greek mythology
07:49There is kidnapping
07:50of Ganymede
07:51at the hands of Zeus
07:52and Zeus
07:53it becomes
07:54on an eagle
07:55and he takes it away.
07:56It sounded nice
07:57for the Greeks
07:58the eagle
07:58and everything else.
08:00Well
08:01from then on
08:02Chile, I can tell you
08:03It gathers more than
08:04500 cases
08:07inclusive
08:07before the time
08:08that UFOs appeared
08:09in the United States
08:11June 24
08:12of 1947
08:13We have a sighting
08:14in the year 1946
08:17we have a sighting
08:18in the last century
08:19in 1800
08:20in Copiapó
08:22A bird flies by
08:23They describe
08:24to the miners
08:24a giant bird
08:25in the 1800s
08:26in Copiapó
08:27It's raining
08:28of stars
08:29the stars are coming down
08:30They are 100 meters away
08:32tall
08:32and then
08:33take flight
08:35We are full of history
08:36I have achieved
08:37get to know my country
08:38which has more than
08:384000 kilometers
08:39and I've taken
08:40incredible surprises
08:41among them
08:41to add
08:42to the matter
08:43of the Mapuche
08:43which is very important
08:45and it's still very much in force
08:46nowadays
08:46in my country
08:47to say that they
08:48They already knew about UFOs
08:49They called them
08:49anchimalenes
08:50and the Mapuche
08:52who lived in the mountains
08:53Just like here
08:53They called him
08:54cherrufes
08:58in other interviews
08:59I asked
09:02as follows
09:05What's going to happen?
09:06with the popular deficiencies
09:08with the myths
09:09with religions
09:10with the gods
09:11when suddenly
09:13all these stories
09:15be real
09:16the checks are in place
09:17scientists
09:18and all this
09:19be real
09:19Well
09:21what's going to happen
09:22That's what has always happened
09:24that the new
09:25cover the old
09:28technology
09:29that we have today
09:30through the camera
09:31of all these systems
09:32left behind
09:33the little camera
09:35that gives the rope
09:36to one
09:37etc.
09:37But it happens
09:38that
09:39I think
09:40that the idea
09:42that this
09:43can change
09:44all violently
09:45It's not going to be like that
09:45how can
09:46imagine it
09:47a sociologist
09:48a psychologist
09:48or a psychiatrist
09:49There is a pause
09:51of understanding
09:53I think that
09:54the UFO phenomenon
09:55I'd like to compare it
09:56more or less
09:57as it is
09:57ethology
09:58ethology
09:59It is observation
09:59of the animals
10:00in their habitat
10:01then I have seen
10:02that from the 1940s onwards
10:03of the modern era
10:04in the 1800s
10:05from ancient times
10:06the UFO phenomenon
10:07has been getting closer
10:08to the man
10:08as if to make themselves known
10:11and suddenly
10:12is made known
10:12with sightings
10:14which is the same thing
10:17with which
10:17You teach him
10:18to a child
10:19in a kindergarten
10:20you start
10:20to put toys away
10:21so that it becomes complete
10:23with the topic
10:23That's the general idea.
10:24I think that
10:25the UFO phenomenon
10:27it's going to get closer
10:28I am not here now
10:29talking about fantasy
10:29Because I can tell you
10:31that the Secretary General
10:32of the UTAN
10:33the Secretary General
10:34of the United Nations
10:36UTAN
10:36in the year 70
10:38He said the problem
10:39more pressing
10:40that they had
10:41the United Nations
10:42after the war
10:42from Vietnam
10:43It was the one about UFOs
10:45and even more
10:46He said that if a nation
10:47he proposed it
10:48He had to be treated
10:49of the United Nations
10:50And what happens
10:51that's why these things
10:52of power
10:53that one
10:53can never achieve
10:55understand
10:55the topic never
10:57has been treated
10:57of the United Nations
10:58as a background theme
10:59but if
11:00Ronald Reagan
11:01He spoke of an invasion.
11:02extraterrestrial
11:03in one of the sessions
11:05of the United Nations
11:06We pause
11:08from the valley
11:09from Punilla
11:09The Tarrones
11:11Chapel of the Mount
11:12Cordova
11:13Argentina
11:13We'll be right back
11:14and we've been talking
11:29with Jorge Eduardo
11:30Dumont
11:31about the experiences
11:32in Chile
11:32beyond
11:33of the case
11:34from Cape Valdés
11:35What other experiences
11:36one can stop
11:37and say
11:37Did this happen?
11:38Well
11:39in Arica
11:40I can tell you
11:40than on the high plateau
11:41after the experience
11:42from Valdés
11:42one year later
11:43the case repeats itself
11:45of the sighting
11:45of a UFO phenomenon
11:46by a patrol
11:47of the Carabineros
11:49the UFO
11:50get out in front of the patrol car
11:51It's been a while
11:52and takes flight once again
11:53They are talking about a ship
11:54structured
11:55It's already being talked about
11:56of metals
11:58but curiously
11:59the patrol
12:00has an effect
12:01physical
12:02because he/she suffers
12:03the stinging
12:04from a burn
12:05beach
12:05when you
12:06You go out in the sun
12:07quickly
12:08They take off their clothes
12:08and they are warned
12:09that are
12:09with all bodies
12:10pink
12:12after
12:12they go to the place
12:13and they see that the stones
12:14where it was deposited
12:15this flying object
12:18They were burned to a crisp
12:20subsequently
12:20these people
12:21she was taken
12:22to a clinic
12:23according to what he tells me
12:24Bernard
12:24who is the actor
12:25main point of this story
12:27that
12:28They were given a drink
12:30and fell
12:31in dream
12:33and from there
12:34He forgets everything
12:35ten years later
12:37it is agreed
12:37of all the experience
12:38through a reading
12:39identify a UFO
12:40and recovers
12:41his lost memory
12:43this gentleman
12:44account
12:45that
12:47lost nine
12:48teeth
12:50account
12:51that
12:52lived
12:53all his life
12:54with fear
12:54above all
12:54in the dark
12:55and counts
12:57also
12:57that
12:58he thinks
13:01that something
13:02more happened
13:02after watching
13:03that light
13:04that descended
13:05This was in full swing
13:06daylight
13:06but
13:07an object comes
13:08bright
13:08that went down
13:09and thinks there is
13:09a story
13:10hidden
13:11but he fears him
13:12to a regression
13:13through hypnosis
13:15because
13:16may arise
13:17other new fears
13:18at some point
13:19You told me
13:20Jorge
13:21that
13:22There are three states
13:23first the one of negation
13:24then the confirmation one
13:26and then
13:27resignation
13:28because?
13:29because
13:30like I told you
13:31happens
13:32that
13:32people
13:33that they have
13:34an experience
13:34of the third type
13:35meeting with
13:36humanoids
13:36whether it's
13:37UFOs
13:38and the rest
13:39leave
13:39in general
13:40denying the fact
13:41then they accept it
13:42and then they end
13:43being designated
13:44that
13:45in comparative state
13:46It's the same
13:46that the terminally ill
13:47when a person
13:48he tells her
13:48you
13:49is going to leave
13:49this plan
13:51that story
13:52plus the story
13:53of a child
13:53what happened
13:54four years
13:54three years
13:55before
13:55of the case
13:56Valdés
13:56which is a story
13:58truly fascinating
13:59an Aymara child
14:00that he did not have access
14:01to no type
14:02information
14:02there was no
14:03in the 1970s
14:04did not exist
14:05nor television
14:07in those places
14:08recounts the event
14:09that one day
14:09taken by
14:10by a light
14:11from a window
14:12and carried
14:13to some mountains
14:13very similar
14:14like these
14:15the clowns
14:17where they put him
14:19inside
14:20of a ship
14:21that had
14:21cup shape
14:22champagne glass
14:24inverted
14:25and where was it
14:26subjected to an examination
14:27doctor
14:27where they pierced him
14:29the fingertips
14:30with a tool
14:31that left
14:32triangles
14:32but apart
14:34He felt no pain.
14:35and then they take it
14:37in a shopping cart
14:38He explains
14:39in their language
14:39Aymara
14:40that they take it
14:40in a shopping cart
14:42And they're going to let him.
14:43to the little school
14:44in rot
14:46all this
14:46It is the area
14:47where it happened
14:47the horse
14:48that case
14:48Nobody knew him
14:50and himself
14:51suffered
14:51the rejection
14:53of the community
14:53Aymara
14:54for having told
14:55the experience
14:56the boys
14:57Aymara
14:58that were
14:58at school
14:58they mocked
14:59his
15:00and the Aymara
15:01of course
15:01they do not recognize
15:02nor to Chile
15:03as a country
15:04nor to Bolivia
15:04he went away
15:05He left the place
15:08thickened
15:08the militia
15:09Bolivian
15:11It was done
15:13Protestant
15:14and
15:15that story
15:16It was lost
15:16in time
15:17But it happens
15:18that in Argentina
15:19There is a case
15:19very similar
15:20to whom today
15:21I'm telling you
15:22sometimes
15:23it is speculated
15:26which can be
15:27that someone
15:28let him come
15:28from the other side
15:30live together
15:31with us
15:32for a long time
15:33Do you have that feeling?
15:35Yeah
15:36as time passes
15:37if you had asked me
15:3810 years ago
15:39back
15:39I would have told you
15:41with all due respect
15:42that you were delirious
15:44today
15:45I must accept it
15:46because
15:47We are waiting
15:48that extraterrestrials appear
15:49or planet-dwellers
15:50as I would call them
15:53according to the comic book model
15:55little green men
15:56with little antennae
15:56four gods
15:57But nobody thinks
15:59that today
16:00There may be people
16:01just like us
16:02circulating
16:03in the same places
16:04that we circulate
16:05living together
16:06and look
16:07a very strange event
16:08which is very interesting
16:10that responds
16:10to your question
16:11I conducted a survey
16:13world of close encounters
16:14from the year 1700
16:15from now on
16:16I have the survey
16:17339 cases
16:18of close encounters
16:19of the third type
16:211066 receivers
16:23of those 339 cases
16:26when you ask him
16:27to the witness
16:29Sir
16:29What did you send it to?
16:31lower
16:31of that UFO
16:32of that ship
16:34Or that flying saucer?
16:35They're going to tell you
16:36131 people
16:37that they saw coming down
16:38human beings
16:38like you
16:39like the person
16:40that he may be taking
16:41a shower
16:41and living in his apartment
16:42I mean
16:44we are so influenced
16:46through culture
16:47foreignizing
16:47that reaches us
16:48from comics
16:49of the movies
16:50that we always think
16:51that everything has to be the same
16:52to what happens beyond
16:53of the Panama Canal
16:55That's not the case
16:56it happens
16:57about what
16:57the biggest case
16:58of close encounters
16:59It's with people
17:01human
17:01And this makes me
17:02reflect
17:03Look, I can think
17:04that tomorrow
17:05a supranational
17:07The elements are already in place.
17:09as to build
17:09a UFO
17:10make the UFO
17:11and use
17:13to these beings
17:16that they do to him
17:17exams
17:18doctors
17:19skin samples
17:20enzyme samples
17:21of all this type
17:24pretending
17:25by the extraterrestrial
17:26and thus they are eliminated
17:29laboratory data
17:33human stories
17:35sometimes they are
17:35most incredible
17:36that
17:37the extra
17:38human
17:39but in this
17:41to be able to coexist
17:42with questions
17:43no answers
17:44and the countries
17:45and the governments
17:46We were watching there.
17:48as
17:48in Europe
17:50They are trying
17:51to take out
17:51the topic
17:52from the military sphere
17:53to take it to civil court
17:56Where
17:56Will the fear pass?
17:58The fear passes
17:59civil
17:59and it involves the military
18:00I have thought
18:01many times
18:02that the military
18:02have denied
18:03the information
18:03because they
18:04They are afraid too
18:05They are human beings
18:05yes of course
18:06And I think
18:08that the phenomenon
18:09UFO
18:09It's going to have
18:10a quick
18:11let's say
18:12answer
18:13after this millennium
18:14I can't go any further
18:1510 years old
18:16and what a thing
18:18hostile
18:19because always
18:20human attitude
18:20was hostile
18:21It was war
18:23toward
18:24confrontation
18:25for
18:25instead of an agreement
18:27because if we don't get involved
18:28OK
18:29first here
18:29It's very difficult.
18:31agree
18:31there
18:32Yes, that's what I think.
18:34I think that
18:35if intelligence exists
18:37called extraterrestrial
18:38or higher
18:39or higher
18:41may be
18:43educating ourselves
18:44through a program
18:45very simple
18:46very childish
18:47with Nintendo games
18:48with movies
18:49like E.T.
18:51so that one day
18:52when we are in front of them
18:53Let's not act
18:54like man
18:55from Nea Rental
18:56or like man
18:57from Colmayon
18:58to be in front of them
19:00It's an attitude
19:00accordingly
19:01as human beings
19:02passive and tolerant
19:06Did you have
19:06some experience
19:07staff?
19:09No
19:10Do you want it?
19:11Sometimes I think
19:12yes
19:13and other days
19:14I regret it
19:15no no
19:15I want to live
19:16what those people experience
19:16I wouldn't want to live through it.
19:20Do you feel
19:20an attitude
19:21delivery
19:22or an attitude
19:23scary
19:23Or skepticism?
19:26sorry
19:26from the moment
19:27that I am committed
19:28with the study
19:29of the phenomenon
19:30I'm inside
19:31of those who participate
19:32I am a social worker
19:33alive
19:34Well, everything's fine.
19:34to investigate
19:35but I say
19:36from a personal perspective
19:37if someone opens it
19:38the hatch
19:39he tells her
19:41forward
19:41Do you want to?
19:44today
19:44to shorten deadlines
19:48passed
19:49tomorrow
19:50since I don't control
19:51the future
19:51probably
19:52I may be changing
19:53And what would it be?
19:54your interest?
19:55And what for?
19:56And why?
19:57well, to know
19:58first
19:58Since when have they been coming
20:00Why do they come?
20:02And what was it used for?
20:03all this
20:05shed
20:06that they armed
20:07for 52 years
20:11what was it used for
20:12for me
20:12and for those who come
20:13behind me
20:13Will it be worth it?
20:15to have been human
20:17to deliver
20:18a whole
20:18superior civilization?
20:21Sometimes I think
20:22about what
20:22civilizations
20:24that we know
20:25in ancient times
20:27they lived exactly
20:28the same
20:29that we are living
20:29today
20:30but due to situations
20:31of language
20:32language
20:33that accommodates
20:33your personal structure
20:34your psychological structure
20:37sometimes too
20:38the ancients
20:39They wanted to forget
20:40I think that
20:41when all this
20:42happens
20:42we're going to want
20:43the same
20:44we're going to want
20:44forget
20:45that one day
20:46We were in front
20:47to a UFO
20:47And we're going to want to
20:48to live as people
20:50calmer
20:50flatter
20:51We are in the area
20:52from Uritorco
20:53Are there places?
20:54energy
20:55in Chile?
20:56Yes, there are places.
20:58presumably
20:58energy
20:59Chile is a blanket
21:00ferric
21:00from Larica
21:01to Puerto Bon
21:02clear
21:03and the iron
21:04and quartz
21:06and copper
21:07They produce energy
21:08Now for the important part
21:09is knowing
21:10where it is produced
21:11more and less
21:12There is a belief
21:13that in the Elqui Valley
21:14there is more energy
21:16I have been
21:17through the desert
21:17from Atacama
21:18And I've felt the same.
21:19a little further on
21:20from the Elqui Valley
21:23I prefer the desert
21:24because
21:26That's all there
21:27untouched
21:29suddenly
21:30already in these places
21:31peace
21:32how can it be
21:33today
21:34Chapel of the Mount
21:38they begin to arrive
21:38civilization
21:39and it destroys everything
21:40and the people who lived
21:41completely happy
21:41there
21:42ceases to exist
21:43in their happiness
21:44You were telling us
21:45how
21:45For example
21:46the Mapuche
21:48they still retain
21:49higher wisdom
21:50of something
21:52still
21:53which has no answer
21:55Well
21:55they
21:56They have things
21:57very clear
21:57They speak
21:58from Buenemapu
22:00and
22:01what is
22:02the homeland above
22:02and the Nak Mapu
22:03the parallel universe
22:06I'm going to tell you
22:07a legend
22:07There is a legend
22:08Araucana
22:08which talks about
22:09that one
22:11princess
22:12Araucana
22:13kidnaps
22:14to a Mapuche
22:15He takes him to an island
22:16They have a meeting
22:17nearby
22:18of the third type
22:19on a romantic level
22:20and then
22:21the boy returns
22:22so
22:23when he returns
22:24realizes
22:24that have happened
22:25four years
22:25with that legend
22:28the
22:30natives of my country
22:31They are teaching you
22:32the theory
22:32of relativity
22:33weather
22:34clear
22:36what happened to you
22:37to Cape Valdés
22:37It happened to him
22:38in the legend
22:38to this
22:39native Chilean
22:44one
22:44it stops
22:46in timelessness
22:47precisely
22:48for
22:49start traveling
22:51in time
22:52and between
22:54UFOs
22:54human beings
22:56and UFO phenomena
22:58Which one do you prefer?
23:00I started investigating
23:01the UFO phenomenon
23:02very passionate
23:03regarding the matter
23:04of the extraterrestrials
23:05I think that
23:07I'm going to become
23:07in an Earthling
23:08I'm going to begin
23:10to study
23:10to the landlubbers
23:11and today
23:12I maintain a program
23:13radio
23:14in my country
23:14which is called
23:15the mysterious planet Earth
23:16I've already started
23:17my job
23:18the mysterious planet Earth
23:20He finds it more mysterious
23:21this planet
23:22that anything
23:24that anything
23:25in our environment
23:26I'm finding it helpful
23:27more mysterious here
23:28how we are
23:29so
23:30so extraordinarily
23:31civilized
23:32to do
23:33nuclear tests
23:34in the backyard
23:35of the house
23:35That's a mystery
23:38thank you so much
23:39the best for you
23:40And for you too.
23:41and I wish you much success
23:42in his career
23:43thank you so much
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