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Esta histórica entrevista, emitida el 2 de febrero de 2013 en el programa Otro Tema (Todo Noticias), reunió a figuras clave de la ufología argentina para analizar la desclasificación de archivos y el fenómeno OVNI.
Participantes de la Entrevista
- Jorge Polanco: Excomandante de Aerolíneas Argentinas y testigo protagonista del Caso Bariloche (1995), considerado uno de los avistamientos más documentados y verosímiles del país.
- Andrea Pérez Simondini: Ufóloga, directora de la Comisión de Estudios del Fenómeno OVNI de la República Argentina (CEFORA) y cofundadora del Museo del OVNI en Victoria.
- Carlos Ferguson: Reconocido investigador y exasesor civil de la Fuerza Aérea Argentina, autor de libros sobre encuentros entre pilotos y OVNIs.
Temas Principales
- El Caso Polanco (31 de julio de 1995): Se analiza el incidente donde un objeto luminoso acompañó al Boeing 727 pilotado por Polanco durante su descenso al aeropuerto de Bariloche, evento que duró 17 minutos y fue presenciado por personal de la torre de control y otros pilotos.
- Desclasificación de Archivos: Los investigadores discutieron la labor de CEFORA para lograr que organismos oficiales como Gendarmería y la Fuerza Aérea liberen documentos históricos sobre avistamientos.
- Impacto Tecnológico: Ferguson y Simondini profundizaron en la naturaleza de estos fenómenos que presentan "capacidades tecnológicas desconocidas" que superan los medios humanos conocidos.
Material recuperado por Iván Orenstein
Participantes de la Entrevista
- Jorge Polanco: Excomandante de Aerolíneas Argentinas y testigo protagonista del Caso Bariloche (1995), considerado uno de los avistamientos más documentados y verosímiles del país.
- Andrea Pérez Simondini: Ufóloga, directora de la Comisión de Estudios del Fenómeno OVNI de la República Argentina (CEFORA) y cofundadora del Museo del OVNI en Victoria.
- Carlos Ferguson: Reconocido investigador y exasesor civil de la Fuerza Aérea Argentina, autor de libros sobre encuentros entre pilotos y OVNIs.
Temas Principales
- El Caso Polanco (31 de julio de 1995): Se analiza el incidente donde un objeto luminoso acompañó al Boeing 727 pilotado por Polanco durante su descenso al aeropuerto de Bariloche, evento que duró 17 minutos y fue presenciado por personal de la torre de control y otros pilotos.
- Desclasificación de Archivos: Los investigadores discutieron la labor de CEFORA para lograr que organismos oficiales como Gendarmería y la Fuerza Aérea liberen documentos históricos sobre avistamientos.
- Impacto Tecnológico: Ferguson y Simondini profundizaron en la naturaleza de estos fenómenos que presentan "capacidades tecnológicas desconocidas" que superan los medios humanos conocidos.
Material recuperado por Iván Orenstein
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00:22The omnic phenomenon
00:31Am I answering myself?
00:32Yeah
00:34This topic has always generated great fear
00:37Because we are dealing with an extraordinary, unknown issue
00:41And in general, that discourages people who sometimes have to make decisions to focus an investigation
00:50Well, a commission is investigating again.
00:52Please correct me when I'm wrong.
00:54The Air Force, 23 cases, said
00:55Of the 101 or 102 complaints received
00:59Very good
01:00Let's clarify to say
01:02There's concern that they might think we have a Martian hiding in an office
01:07Well, it would be really out of place to estimate that.
01:11But it's not a bad thing to find out what the cases are.
01:14What is being investigated?
01:17Ultimately, it is society's right to know.
01:21With all due respect, but let me know.
01:23Yeah
01:23Maybe that's...
01:26When a case is like this, like a police case, very similar
01:29The same applies at the judicial level.
01:30Authenticity, truthfulness, and coincidence
01:33There are three factors that a testimony must have.
01:36So, while that investigation is open
01:38Therefore, a question arises
01:40Sometimes, at least, the first step is to say
01:42Well, we have this, that's already a step.
01:44Alright
01:44From there comes the other one
01:46Not now
01:46Yes, but we have 23 cases
01:47What are those cases?
01:49Well, one of the cases that Estado Público took on
01:51It was with him that the same commission emerged.
01:54Which is a case of an air base
01:57Where a photographer took a very interesting photograph
02:01Which apparently passed the first filter
02:04And those cases are multiplying exponentially.
02:07And for many years
02:08In fact, well, today we're going to have the account of a living witness.
02:13And well, the idea is that these cases are investigated further and brought to light
02:17And that's why, in a way, I'm here asking for those cases to be brought to light.
02:21Commander, what happened?
02:24In what year
02:25In my specific case, the event they are referring to was in 1995
02:31And that's precisely where I was, looking at some photographs from the Barilocho airport platform.
02:38That's where this became public knowledge
02:43But it wasn't during the day, it was at night.
02:46And somehow it so happened that a military plane
02:50I was above... at that time I was flying a 727
02:55There was a military plane above the airliner.
02:59Which confirms everything that happened there
03:05And everything we recounted at that time
03:07So there are two testimonies
03:09Yes, yes
03:10Of his own making and of the...
03:13From the military plane with two high-ranking members of the National Gendarmerie at that time
03:20Well, the truth is that these are not people who are not used to flying.
03:24I'm not going to ask you how many hours you have because you're going to tell me something ridiculous.
03:28But it's very good.
03:29No, no, but I know where you want to go.
03:31We don't confuse relationships
03:33Of course, I mean, it's not the same to see something that I don't know what it is
03:36But I see it
03:37What to see: an airplane, a small plane, a balloon, a hot air balloon
03:41And in the particular case of this event
03:43It was well defined, with its shape and size.
03:47The only thing we can't say is what material it might be made of.
03:51But yes, the size, well defined
03:53No, you were coming, you were going to land in Bailónio
03:55We were going to land in Bailónio
03:56And how far from the airport can you see anything?
04:01It all begins with...
04:02First, there was a power outage at the airport
04:04Where they informed us that the airport had remained
04:07The city had lost power
04:09They call us back five minutes later
04:12We are authorized to make the approach
04:14The descent and the approach
04:16And they tell us that the whole procedure is going to be done
04:20With the energy that, let's say, the airport group has
04:26The generator set
04:27The generator set
04:28The assistant
04:29Yes, the so-called generator
04:30When we began the approach
04:32What is called the point of departure
04:35We spotted a light that
04:37As we say in aeronautical jargon
04:40At eleven o'clock on what would be the clock face
04:45We warned several times that we have an object in that position
04:50He answers us, just like that, quickly.
04:52I'll try to summarize it
04:54We get answers from the tower several times
04:55That there is no recorded traffic
04:59And when we are about twelve miles away
05:03To begin what is called the final turn
05:05I do what I could say
05:07Does anyone do this on the route?
05:08I start flashing my lights at him
05:10To the object
05:11And what's striking is that the light
05:14Adopt a
05:16Its intensity changes
05:18And it gets very flat and thin
05:20As if responding to the lights
05:21What will I do with the plane?
05:23Then
05:24My crew tells me
05:26The first officer tells me
05:27We need to change course
05:28We need to change course
05:29I begin the turn
05:30And it remains, let's say
05:31Out of my line of sight
05:33When we are on the final approach
05:36Once established
05:37In a moment
05:38The first officer
05:41So, in a surprised tone
05:43Says
05:45What the heck is this?
05:47He didn't say what a carancho
05:48But I understood.
05:49That's when
05:51I look up
05:53And I look like this
05:53On the window side
05:55Where the co-pilot was sitting
05:57And I see the ship approaching
06:01This
06:02In position I would say
06:03It looked like it was floating
06:05Obviously
06:05And he moved almost to the tip.
06:08Let's say at the height
06:09From the wingtip
06:10Because of the plane
06:11Where we flew
06:12We can't see the tip of the wing
06:13But he came closer
06:15At no less than 30 meters
06:17And the size
06:18It occupied practically
06:19The entire window
06:20From our plane
06:22And we estimate about 30 meters.
06:25Object diameter
06:26Well defined
06:28With lights
06:29Size
06:29Lights that changed
06:30They have different colors
06:31It had a green light
06:32It seemed
06:33That at the tips
06:34But it was green.
06:36The truth is that
06:37I saw so many green ones
06:39I never saw that one.
06:41I can say
06:42I never saw that one.
06:43And if
06:44Something that
06:45It was very striking.
06:47Which was
06:47Above
06:48in the form
06:49Well defined
06:50It had something orange about it.
06:52That
06:53With a cadence
06:54As if it were breathing
06:55And that attracted a lot of attention
06:58It caught my attention a lot
06:59This
07:00And besides infusing me at that moment
07:03I have to be honest
07:04He wasn't at ease.
07:05And it generated me
07:06A certain fear
07:07Because it was in an approximation
07:10To a very complex place
07:11What is Bariloche like?
07:12With a hundred and something
07:14Passenger
07:16And well
07:17AND
07:17I must admit
07:19Which also affected
07:20To the rest of the crew
07:21That came with me
07:22And what did that object do?
07:23The plane accompanied me
07:26And when we were close
07:28What is called
07:28The landing
07:29The landing
07:32Disappears
07:32The airport light
07:35Energy
07:36And I
07:37I find out later
07:37For a conversation
07:39What do I have with the manager?
07:40Of the
07:40From the group
07:41East propeller
07:42That suddenly
07:44The generator
07:45He acted
07:47He accelerated
07:48He accelerated
07:49And smoke started to come out
07:50From the group
07:50And it stopped
07:51And he also tells us
07:53Then the people
07:54From the tower
07:54That all the instruments
07:55They became magnetized
07:56And they didn't see anything?
07:58Yes, they saw
08:00When the power went out
08:02And upon creation
08:03What is called
08:04The clue
08:05Without beacon
08:06That forces me
08:07I'm going to do it
08:07An escape
08:08A failed approach
08:09You tell me
08:10It gains altitude again
08:11Exact
08:12And when I'm doing
08:13That escape
08:14People
08:16From the airport
08:16And some
08:18As in the case
08:19From the meteorologist
08:19Another one who was there
08:20They tell me
08:21That they see
08:22Pass the 7th of 27
08:23On escape
08:24And the ship
08:25Thus forming back
08:27For a second
08:28It would give the impression
08:29He tells me
08:30Someone from the land
08:31Which is like
08:32That stops
08:32And then suddenly
08:34Towards a speed
08:35Fantastic
08:36It goes towards the center
08:36From the lake
08:37And so
08:38At 90 degrees
08:39Ascends
08:40And she's going to wait for me
08:41Until I finish
08:42To make the turn
08:43Let's say
08:44And he never sees him again.
08:44I'm never seeing him again
08:45Until
08:46After I escape
08:47And I can't
08:48Communicate to the tower
08:49Because it was cut
08:50Energy
08:51But I thought
08:52When I was in the maneuver
08:54I have to go all the way
08:5510,000 feet
08:56I don't have to go overboard
08:57From that altitude
08:58Because there's a plane.
08:58From the National Gendarmerie
08:59Above
09:00And when I start
09:02The turn
09:02I'm watching it again
09:03Back in the middle again
09:04From the lake
09:05At the turn
09:05Waiting for me
09:06At that altitude
09:07And the plane
09:08From the Gendarmerie
09:08See the same thing
09:10Exact
09:11What happened to you?
09:12When he said this
09:13No?
09:14Let's say in '95
09:16A few years ago
09:19I must admit
09:19That
09:22It was very dissimilar
09:23in the form
09:23That it is received
09:26I came back that night
09:27To my house
09:28And at 8 in the morning
09:29There was a scandal.
09:30At the door
09:30From my house
09:31Because I left
09:31A confidential report
09:33And they wake me up
09:34At 7 a.m.
09:35Wondering
09:36If that report
09:36I had written it
09:37Say
09:37Yes, but it's reserved
09:38A radio station in Bariloche
09:41AND
09:42Then they ask me
09:43And I tell him
09:44Look, if you have the report
09:45I confirm everything that is there
09:47I left it to the people
09:48From the airport
09:48It was a report
09:49To the airport headquarters
09:51And from there
09:53Like 15, 20 days
09:54And then for a long time
09:55I had no more peace
09:56Because really
09:57It was something that
09:59Well, until today
09:59It was not immanent
10:00Until today
10:01We commented
10:01A little peace
10:02It was unmanageable
10:04I think that
10:07Commenting here
10:07With friends
10:09I told him a little
10:10That I
10:11What caught my attention the most
10:11The attention
10:12That 6 months later
10:13I had an interview
10:14With people from NASA
10:15Who was it with?
10:17Pour it in deeply
10:18This topic
10:18And that they
10:20They had been watching me
10:21As they observe
10:22All the people
10:23That has a sighting
10:25A phenomenon of this
10:25And they told me that
10:26The most important thing
10:27That in 6 months
10:28Observational
10:29They
10:29They had seen
10:30That never
10:31That I never strayed from
10:31About what I said
10:32The first day
10:32Because
10:33He has been consistent
10:34With what there was
10:34Past in the report
10:35Says
10:35You have
10:35300 times
10:37Statements
10:37They are all
10:39Calcadas
10:39Says
10:39The phenomenon
10:40UFO
10:41It encourages him
10:42He who has
10:43A contact
10:44Of this type
10:44That the first time
10:47Today it saw the light
10:48Tomorrow he saw the object
10:50Then he saw the alien
10:52If in total
10:53Nobody is going to contradict him
10:54So
10:55It's very difficult
10:56Find the points
10:58For
10:58They know
10:59With who
11:00Or who they can
11:01Ask him for that information
11:03Tell us
11:04What were they talking about?
11:05From this
11:05They
11:06I
11:07I must admit
11:08That the gentleman
11:09He was trained
11:10To obtain information
11:11Because
11:12That was his task.
11:13Clear
11:14He after 6 hours
11:15I dared
11:16To ask him
11:17What everyone
11:18That someday
11:19We were curious
11:20Because of that issue
11:21Who was the famous
11:22Blue book
11:23The Blue Books
11:24They denied it.
11:25For 50 years
11:26And then they said
11:27Here it is
11:27But
11:28I can't
11:29Show all
11:30This
11:31Desclare
11:32Yeah
11:33He referred me
11:35That
11:36Could you tell me something?
11:38Because I also
11:38I went straight there
11:39TO
11:40Let's get serious.
11:42I tell him
11:42It's true
11:43That the United States
11:44It has ships
11:45And it has beings
11:46There in Area 51
11:48And he gave me an answer.
11:49A nor
11:50Told me
11:51George
11:52Why are we going to talk about it?
11:53Of those things
11:53That you already know
11:57He tells me
11:57But I'm going to tell you something
12:00Us
12:01To Mr. Spielberg
12:02When he made his first film
12:05That I find myself nearby
12:07We gave it to him
12:08A lot of information
12:11And there
12:11Well
12:12It's when one
12:12Start tying threads together
12:13How
12:15They manage that communication
12:16Fundamentally
12:17USA
12:18Where everything appears
12:19Like they
12:19They can handle it
12:20AND
12:21Other pilots
12:22Although not
12:23They have made it public
12:24Some told him
12:25Yeah
12:25Well
12:27It was a beginning
12:28So that many people
12:29Tomase
12:30Let's say
12:30The possibility
12:31To say
12:31Hey, this happened to me too.
12:33And I understand
12:34That many
12:34They didn't dare
12:35Or they didn't dare
12:37At the time
12:37I don't know if it was to that extent.
12:39They had a sighting
12:40Because I
12:41I must admit
12:42That in that year
12:42In one year
12:43I had three sightings
12:44Did you see him on other occasions?
12:46That same year
12:47February 6
12:48Coming from Cordoba
12:49From Rio de Janeiro
12:50I had a sighting
12:52AND
12:53It was not made public
12:54The thing about July 31st
12:56In Bariloche
12:56It became public knowledge
12:57Because
12:57Because of the cut
12:59For the amount
13:00From journalists
13:00They were coming on the plane
13:02Then we found out
13:03Besides journalists
13:04Permission
13:05Many people
13:06That he was coming to a convention
13:07Of physicists
13:07Regarding the topic
13:08From nuclear energy
13:10And the one in Rio de Janeiro
13:11When he came
13:12From Rio de Janeiro
13:12Did it have the same characteristics
13:14Or was it different?
13:15No, it wasn't different.
13:16It was simply a light
13:17And then
13:18The following year
13:19By the year 96
13:20And on August 11th
13:22From Colando de Treleu
13:23With a 737
13:24And the one in Rio de Janeiro
13:25Again
13:26And this time
13:27Wine and practically
13:28He walked in front of us
13:30The thing is
13:30I who combine
13:32With the first officer
13:33Say
13:33I don't want to talk anymore.
13:34About this topic
13:34They're going to think I'm crazy.
13:35And did it have the same characteristics?
13:37This one from...?
13:38In a defined way
13:40Generals
13:40Yeah
13:40But we couldn't observe it.
13:42For so long
13:43Like this one in Bariloche
13:44How many flight hours does it have?
13:46More than 15,000
13:49Good
13:50And it's always consistent.
13:51No?
13:52He always says the same thing
13:53What else is he going to tell you?
13:55That we cannot
13:56We cannot change the narrative
13:57About that
13:58There are other pilots
14:00Maybe not
14:02As commander
14:03That they have so many hours
14:04Not even commercially
14:04But yes, military personnel.
14:05And there are some of them
14:06Which also seems
14:07That he evaded
14:08Still
14:09Something
14:10To that something
14:11That no one defines well
14:13Did that happen in Chaco?
14:14Yeah
14:15He was actually a pilot
14:16Also from
14:17Well
14:17Also from Aerolíneas Argentinas
14:19It was also an airline.
14:20November 21, 1965
14:21Was there never a pilot?
14:23From a Mirage
14:23Did he see something?
14:24Yes, yes, yes
14:25Ah, because everyone says so
14:27It catches my attention
14:28No, he doesn't say that much.
14:29They don't tell you about that dwarf
14:31That some believe he has in an office
14:32Speaking of a pilot
14:34Military
14:35From Mirage
14:35That bears witness
14:37That he saw something
14:37I want to emphasize
14:39Regarding what the commander said
14:41I just told him.
14:43Now he didn't know it
14:44The French Ministry of Defense
14:46In the year 1999
14:47He issued a report
14:48Made by astrophysicists
14:50And also military personnel
14:51It's called the Comet report
14:53Saying that reality
14:54The phenomenon is unquestionable
14:56Which is an intelligent phenomenon
14:57And that it has a high magnetic charge
14:59In one of the sections
15:01What does it say about aeronautical implications?
15:02Recommends to all staff
15:04From all over the world
15:04What measures do they need to have?
15:06Before a flight
15:07The example they set
15:09It's the one from pilot Polanco
15:11He didn't know
15:12Like the one about expertise
15:14And the one about coldness
15:17Faced with a situation
15:18That really surpassed
15:19Of course, she had to have an abortion.
15:22A landing
15:25Well
15:25So we have
15:26This other airline pilot
15:28Come to the Chaco
15:29Yes, that was almost
15:30A near collision
15:31It was a very complicated case
15:33Because it's coming
15:33An object
15:34Straight to the plane
15:35Airlines
15:36And it stops
15:37Practically 100 meters away
15:38From a distance
15:39What is
15:40In flight
15:40It's nothing
15:41Nothing
15:43And the plane
15:44He has to
15:44A violent dodge
15:46And well
15:47They were very impressed.
15:48Of the two pilots
15:48And the features
15:49About what he says
15:50The Chaco pilot
15:51Does it have anything to do with it?
15:52With the characteristics
15:53What does Commander Polanco say?
15:54That's one of the points
15:56Authenticity
15:57Veracity
15:58And coincidence
15:59When Borges
15:59They asked him once
16:00About this topic
16:01What did he think?
16:01He said
16:02They can't agree
16:04People from all over the world
16:04To relate the same
16:06Freak
16:07A myth can last
16:08Short time
16:09Okay, but
16:09More or less
16:10The same features
16:11The same
16:12Yes, because I
16:13Let's say later
16:14About what happened to me
16:15For example
16:16Something that called to me
16:17Much attention
16:19I said
16:19It is 30 meters long
16:20Diameter
16:21And then I found myself
16:22With what
16:23It coincided with a lot
16:24From reports
16:26Where
16:27Or reports
16:27Sorry
16:28Where they also gave
16:29The same
16:29The same diameter
16:31Practically
16:31The same diameter
16:32To have a diameter
16:32Regarding an airplane
16:33How is?
16:34And actually
16:35And the
16:36A little less than half
16:37Half of an airplane
16:39It's what we're used to seeing
16:40Slowly in diameter
16:41Like this entire study
16:42A little bigger
16:43Yes, a little big
16:44A little big
16:45And what other cases are there?
16:46I have one
16:48It's warm here
16:49It's a file
16:50Of the gendarmerie
16:51We're going to tell you about that too.
16:53To Commander Polanco
16:55From November 2nd
16:56From 1972
16:57And this is very important
16:59Holy
16:59Because
17:00The gendarmerie
17:01Which also has
17:02Air Force Corps
17:04For two decades
17:05It has been accumulating cases
17:07Not only from his
17:09Air Force
17:10But also
17:11From its terrestrial body
17:12The second commander
17:14From the flight squadron
17:15Of the gendarmerie
17:16Rubén Héctor Flores
17:16On the vertical
17:17From Campo de Mayo
17:18He did not only do
17:19The persecution
17:20From a UFO
17:21That intercepted him
17:22With the same characteristics
17:23That describes
17:23Commander Polanco
17:24But also
17:25He had the order
17:26From the persecution
17:27And also
17:28It had a radar reading
17:29And this case
17:31It is a test case
17:32And that is why
17:33Many struggled
17:34So that it becomes known
17:35In the same way
17:36That Commander Polanco
17:37He just defined
17:38That personal wine
17:39From NASA
17:40That came
17:41That same force
17:42Of the gendarmerie
17:43In your case
17:43He had the same experience
17:45As these multiply
17:47By number of cases
17:48What happened to him?
17:48In pursuit?
17:49It was faster
17:50Obviously
17:51He couldn't intercept it
17:52It did not progress
17:53The speed
17:54That
17:54No
17:56They calculate
17:56In the case
17:58When it happened to me
18:00This to me
18:00Was
18:01Fairly
18:02An airplane
18:02From the National Gendarmerie
18:03Above
18:04From the position
18:05From my plane
18:06And they calculate
18:07That the speed
18:08And in the form
18:09That moves
18:10I mean
18:11He accelerated
18:11Almost
18:123000 kilometers
18:13And then
18:14It ascended to 90 degrees
18:16And there is no
18:17Human body
18:17That it withstands that
18:18Nor are there any
18:19Technology
18:20Within physics
18:22That we
18:22We know
18:23To do that
18:24And what speed?
18:25Have you developed it?
18:26I don't know.
18:28How far is the plane going?
18:29The plane
18:29When it turned
18:30No
18:30The plane
18:30When it's done
18:31The escape
18:32It's going 350 kilometers per hour.
18:34No no
18:35It's fantastic!
18:36The speed
18:37That moves
18:38And are there any
18:39Other cases
18:40Of sightings
18:40From airplanes?
18:42Yeah
18:42In addition to these
18:4351
18:44Me exactly
18:45I made a compilation
18:46In a job
18:47There are 51
18:48In a book
18:50Which I just published
18:51Is this it?
18:52Yes, this one here
18:5351
18:5651 cases
18:58In flight
18:59There are 150
19:00Almost like pilots
19:01But on land
19:02Also
19:02But in flight
19:03There are 51
19:04Of which
19:0524 are from Argentine airlines
19:0724 from Argentine airlines?
19:08Exactly
19:09Military?
19:10Military
19:10No, there are 17
19:12Good
19:13And in these 23 cases
19:17That are
19:17What happened
19:19In this first stage
19:19That they have been able to fulfill
19:21With these requirements
19:23To continue the investigation
19:24Are the others terrestrial?
19:26Of people
19:27They saw him posing
19:29Or they saw it from the ground
19:30Commonly the air force
19:32The testimony
19:33No?
19:33From the location
19:34The complaints
19:35What do people do?
19:36That reaches the page
19:38From the air force
19:39They are under analysis
19:40Not all of them are aerial
19:41Today with digital technology
19:43There are many
19:44They send photos
19:44That many times
19:45The witness
19:46He doesn't see what he photographs.
19:47And this is a good question.
19:49Because the idea
19:50And fundamentally
19:52It is important
19:53The presence
19:54From a witness
19:54In the face of the takeover
19:55From an image
19:55This
19:56He will be able to develop it
19:58Better Carlos
19:58Because that's who they are.
20:00Those who are working
20:00With the filters
20:01And with the definition
20:02From the analyses
20:03From the files
20:03He pauses
20:04And we return
20:04Mr. Director
20:05Please
20:25So
20:26What's the next step?
20:28From this research?
20:30Well
20:30The next stage
20:31It's going to be
20:34Delineate
20:35Or perhaps
20:35Culminate
20:36Which would be
20:36The investigation
20:37Some are already
20:37Finished
20:38Oh well
20:40Completely
20:41The research stage
20:43Because
20:44When there is a case
20:45Thus open
20:46And still
20:46They are being collected
20:47Information
20:47And so on
20:49It is not suitable
20:50To be able to spread it
20:51What he said
20:52Andrea
20:52It is very important
20:54Is
20:54Each testimony
20:56It is not valid
20:56Be of one person
20:57In other words, from a person
20:57Or of a hundred
20:58But each case
20:59Has
21:00A classification
21:01What to do
21:02It's not the same
21:03A single witness
21:04That when there are several
21:05In a different position
21:06And when also
21:07There are different levels.
21:08For example
21:08In the case of flight
21:09In the case of Polanco
21:10There were 24 observers
21:12At three different levels
21:14An airplane overhead
21:15His
21:15And people below
21:16So all that
21:18It keeps adding up
21:18And when you arrive
21:20At the end of the investigation
21:21Well
21:21There you can say
21:22This case
21:23It has a high probability
21:24Of such and such a thing
21:25That's what it's for.
21:26How much longer?
21:27AND
21:28We will try
21:29As soon as possible
21:30Well
21:30I'm telling you
21:31So that it's not the blue book
21:33No no
21:34That it did not exist
21:35But then
21:35Term
21:36After 50 years
21:37They took him out
21:38And here it is
21:38We're declassifying it now
21:39Yes, it is now.
21:40Thank you so much
21:41Very kind
21:42Thank you
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