00:02This is Roberto Villamil, thank you for joining us.
00:05Nothing, thank you.
00:05And in some way, his testimony will also help us to understand
00:09What's happening in this place?
00:12Well, obviously a lot of things happen in this place.
00:14which are fundamentally related to energy.
00:18We all remember that when people used to have bronchial problems,
00:22the only place, tuberculosis specifically,
00:25The only way to get cured was to come here to these valleys.
00:28It was the only place where people could regain their health.
00:33That was energy without knowing it.
00:35Then the energy continued in other ways
00:38And all of this began to be linked to spiritual themes for various reasons.
00:42And people began to approach not only for what would be
00:47not a matter of energy or health, but looking for something more.
00:52Interestingly, these days I'm hearing a lot of scientific testimony.
00:57from the real to the imaginary, from the proven to the speculative.
01:04How does science mix with spirituality, with the esoteric?
01:09Well, if we start from the premise that there has to be uniqueness in everything,
01:13that man is an absolutely complete whole,
01:18Everything is connected to everything else.
01:19Everything is connected: the scientific aspect, the spiritual aspect, the search.
01:23The different paths to reach the top of the mountain
01:27Perhaps they don't matter as much as the desire to reach the top of the mountain.
01:32One of the paths is the spiritual path.
01:35Dr. Álvarez López, for example, who has already attended this congress,
01:39He has spoken about the scientific aspect, with great insight and analysis.
01:43from a mathematical point of view.
01:45But I think nothing would matter if behind all this
01:49There is no spiritual meaning in the search.
01:52Roberto, you have had the opportunity to portray, to photograph some phenomena.
01:58Why are you telling us what it's about?
02:00Well, the story begins several years ago, in 1983,
02:04when I meet Dr. Angela Coglanes,
02:06in the circumstances that Alfredo de Princio more or less recounted,
02:10And he brings us to this area, he makes us participate in some truly remarkable experiences
02:16and truly moving, because of how extraordinary they are.
02:20And one day he tells me that he would like me to photograph his brothers,
02:27that they would allow the photography.
02:29Well, we come here to the valley, to the clods specifically, in winter,
02:33It was 1983, we climbed to the top of the hills at midnight
02:39And well, I assembled all the photographic equipment, quite incredulous.
02:43Dr. Angela Coglanes begins to chant her mantras
02:46and the sky begins to fill with images or lights.
02:49That's great, I take photos.
02:51When she revealed it, it looked like a number of really interesting shapes.
02:59The photographs...
03:00And in the same way you were visualizing it?
03:02No, no, no, normally what one sees is a very, very powerful light
03:05that approaches, that illuminates it
03:08and that often even leaves, like, a tremendous heat on the face
03:16that lasts perhaps for one or two days, as if it were radiation.
03:20Well, we took them, I took the photographs,
03:23The photographs are shared somewhat like this on a small, informal level.
03:27because the doctor gives them away, they found them interesting,
03:30They seemed to them like a test, a demonstration
03:35concrete aspect of the spiritual phenomenon
03:38And time goes by
03:40And in 1988 he tells me that he called me at home one day
03:44telling me to go urgently to his office in downtown Buenos Aires
03:47that I had to be introduced to a person
03:49who was Trigueriño.
03:51Trigueriño is a Brazilian writer and mystic
03:54which has a spiritual center in Figueira, Brazil, in southern Brazil.
04:00Well, he introduces him to me as Brother Trigueriño.
04:03and he tells me I have to give him the photographs,
04:07the negatives of the photographs we had taken.
04:08Then I was a little taken aback
04:11Because, well, it was like handing over the documents.
04:14that I possessed in the sense of possession.
04:16And then Angela Coglanes tells me
04:19Look, brother, here nobody owns anything.
04:23We are merely administrators of things.
04:25And it really needs to be managed wisely.
04:28and with sound judgment and wisdom.
04:31And it seemed logical and coherent to me
04:33Because deep down, one doesn't own anything.
04:35It's true.
04:35He is not the master of life,
04:36then we are less in control of the things that life has to offer.
04:39And then I gave the negatives to Trigueriño
04:42and Trigueriño published them in his various books,
04:45He wrote more than 62 books,
04:46The first one is called Erx Valle Interno.
04:49And the message was spread through this photograph.
04:56The message, on the one hand, written by Trigueriño
05:00which had been given by Ángela Coglanes,
05:02who took him as truly the popularizer
05:05of all this phenomenology,
05:07and the photographs that accompanied these books as documentation.
05:13Ángela Coglanes died in 1989.
05:16Exactly 10 years ago now,
05:19And I, about 5 years ago,
05:24in 1994, at the beginning of 1995,
05:27I begin to return to the valley,
05:29which he hadn't visited for 5 years
05:31after the death of Ángela Coglanes,
05:35beginning, return to the valley
05:36and I begin to have a second stage of experiences.
05:40And at one of those stages I decided to come back with the photography equipment again,
05:45No to Los Terrones,
05:48otherwise I'm going to Cuchicorral,
05:50very close to here in Capilla del Monte.
05:52And I set up the photographic equipment,
05:55And I remember it was January 12, 1996.
06:03I take the photographs,
06:05Some truly impressive ships appear,
06:07because they illuminated the entire valley,
06:10And it really was a very intense experience,
06:13I felt the presence of Angela Coglanes.
06:15Then I reveal it and a number of shapes appear,
06:18like doves,
06:20very similar to what the Holy Spirit is,
06:22the virtual Holy Spirit that is in the Church,
06:24in the Vatican Cathedral, in Rome.
06:28Well, I don't attach too much importance to these photographs either.
06:32I was with a friend of mine,
06:34And there was a person, a writer,
06:36He had written a book about the Erx Valley,
06:39what is the ethereal city that would be found here,
06:42beneath the surface of what is Capilla del Monte.
06:46And he was talking about January 12, 1996,
06:49He had written the book a year earlier,
06:51He was talking about the future,
06:52that on January 12, 1996,
06:53There was a cosmic couple,
06:56She was going to give birth to a universal being,
06:59a being of light that was going to manifest in the new millennium.
07:03I didn't think much of it,
07:05Then, this friend of mine called me approximately 15 days later,
07:09from the photographs,
07:10and we verified that it was January 12th,
07:12the day the photographs were taken.
07:14I put him in touch with the writer, whose name is D'Angelo,
07:18And I asked him, in some meetings I had,
07:19After that, I became very good friends with him.
07:21And I ask him,
07:22Where did he get that date from?
07:24January 12, 1996?
07:25And he said that he had written this story,
07:27from the arrival of this cosmic couple,
07:30and that it didn't have a date,
07:32But he felt the need to set a date,
07:34and set that date.
07:35And did it just so happen to be the day the photograph was taken?
07:36And it matched the photo I took a year later.
07:39The photographs are still out there,
07:41In short, they had great value.
07:44Many people asked me for them to use in painting,
07:47for an interesting space,
07:48and finally this year,
07:50I was invited to a world congress of omnilogy,
07:52which took place in the city of San Marino,
07:54in Italy,
07:56The Republic of San Marino is in Italy,
08:01And, well, I took her too.
08:02They found this document extremely interesting,
08:05This photographic documentation,
08:06Perhaps that's why it's been published not only in Italy,
08:09but also in Poland,
08:10They are about to publish it in China.
08:12And I realized something very important,
08:14that this place really,
08:16because it's close by, which is a good place for us.
08:18because it's ours,
08:19It's just another place,
08:22for the beings of the world,
08:23It is a very important place.
08:26I have a question.
08:28So you,
08:29as photographed
08:30the sky
08:32or the environment,
08:34how
08:35He was photographed
08:38in his soul
08:39and in their convictions
08:40that moment?
08:42Well,
08:43I think photography
08:45finally
08:45or the experience
08:47work as a trigger
08:48of conscience.
08:49I mean,
08:50I think the important thing is
08:52here,
08:54above all else,
08:55is to find
08:56that little one,
08:58that little trigger
08:59that
09:02bring forth in us
09:03or ignite within us
09:05the fire of a light
09:06that projects us
09:07on a spiritual level.
09:08On a road
09:09who is he,
09:10I think the important thing,
09:11because transcendence
09:12of human beings
09:13It would have no value
09:14if you don't walk
09:15based
09:16to a spiritual purpose.
09:18Everything we do,
09:19what we feel,
09:21what we project,
09:22It would have no value.
09:23I believe that the essence
09:25of this whole story
09:26of the valley,
09:27of the lights,
09:28from the photographs
09:30that I took out,
09:31of things
09:32that can be done,
09:33they only have
09:33an explanation
09:34if they have
09:36a spiritual value.
09:37That Villamil
09:38that one day
09:38He planted the tripod
09:40and fixed
09:42It's the same
09:43whom I have
09:44opposite,
09:44No?
09:44No,
09:45No,
09:45There has been a change,
09:46I feel that there has been
09:46an internal change
09:47mine,
09:48I think there has been
09:49an evolution.
09:49Well,
09:50We all evolve
09:51based on our doubts,
09:52in our mistakes,
09:54but I think
09:55all this time
09:56It's like
09:57I have felt
09:57more sensitive
09:58to understanding
09:59of things
10:00and the people
10:01And that has brought me closer
10:02much more to myself.
10:03Thank you so much
10:04through his testimony.
10:05You are welcome,
10:06thank you.
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