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En esta entrevista del programa Zona Infinito (emitida originalmente cerca del año 2000), el investigador y escritor Javier Sierra analiza el fenómeno OVNI desde una perspectiva militar y gubernamental, centrándose en la transición del secreto a la desclasificación.
A continuación, se detallan los puntos principales tratados en el video:
El Informe COMETA y la postura de la OTAN
Sierra comienza analizando el Informe COMETA, un documento francés de gran relevancia en esa época. Según el autor:
- Problema de defensa: El informe reconoce que objetos con comportamiento inteligente violan el espacio aéreo sin que los sistemas de defensa puedan identificarlos o abatirlos.
- Tecnología superior: Se mencionan incidentes como el de Teherán (1976), donde aviones F-4 sufrieron fallos en sus sistemas de navegación al acercarse a menos de 45 km de un objeto no identificado.
- Hipótesis del contacto deliberado: Sierra menciona una teoría del informe según la cual el incidente de Roswell (1947) pudo ser un "estrellamiento deliberado" para entregar tecnología a la humanidad y prepararnos como interlocutores válidos.
Casos relevantes en España
Se analizan expedientes desclasificados por el Ejército del Aire español:
- Incidente en Canarias (1976): Un médico y un taxista observaron una gran esfera luminosa con dos figuras humanoides de más de dos metros de altura vestidas con monos rojos. El objeto fue detectado simultáneamente por una fragata de la Armada.
- Caso Manises (1979): Un avión comercial fue acosado por luces rojas, lo que obligó a un aterrizaje de emergencia en Valencia. Un caza Mirage F1 persiguió al objeto durante 90 minutos. El piloto no pudo disparar sus misiles térmicos porque el objeto, pese a volar a Mach 3.5, no emitía calor.
- Voces en el Triángulo de Motril: Otro piloto de combate informó haber escuchado un coro de voces infantiles diciendo "hola, ¿cómo estás?" a través de sus auriculares mientras perseguía tres luces en formación triangular.
Perspectiva histórica y antropológica
- Visitantes antiguos: Sierra sugiere que el fenómeno no es nuevo, citando los "escudos ardientes" descritos por el historiador latino Tito Livio, los Vimanas de los textos védicos de la India y luces observadas por Cristóbal Colón en 1492.
- El "culto cargo": Explica cómo civilizaciones primitivas divinizaron a soldados de la Segunda Guerra Mundial y sugiere que nuestras religiones antiguas podrían haber nacido de contactos similares con inteligencias avanzadas que no comprendíamos.
El rol de los testigos cualificados
Sierra subraya que el perfil del testigo ha cambiado; ya no son solo personas sin formación, sino astronautas y pilotos civiles/militares. Menciona que, según encuestas, casi un 30% de los pilotos civiles españoles han tenido algún avistamiento inexplicado.
A continuación, se detallan los puntos principales tratados en el video:
El Informe COMETA y la postura de la OTAN
Sierra comienza analizando el Informe COMETA, un documento francés de gran relevancia en esa época. Según el autor:
- Problema de defensa: El informe reconoce que objetos con comportamiento inteligente violan el espacio aéreo sin que los sistemas de defensa puedan identificarlos o abatirlos.
- Tecnología superior: Se mencionan incidentes como el de Teherán (1976), donde aviones F-4 sufrieron fallos en sus sistemas de navegación al acercarse a menos de 45 km de un objeto no identificado.
- Hipótesis del contacto deliberado: Sierra menciona una teoría del informe según la cual el incidente de Roswell (1947) pudo ser un "estrellamiento deliberado" para entregar tecnología a la humanidad y prepararnos como interlocutores válidos.
Casos relevantes en España
Se analizan expedientes desclasificados por el Ejército del Aire español:
- Incidente en Canarias (1976): Un médico y un taxista observaron una gran esfera luminosa con dos figuras humanoides de más de dos metros de altura vestidas con monos rojos. El objeto fue detectado simultáneamente por una fragata de la Armada.
- Caso Manises (1979): Un avión comercial fue acosado por luces rojas, lo que obligó a un aterrizaje de emergencia en Valencia. Un caza Mirage F1 persiguió al objeto durante 90 minutos. El piloto no pudo disparar sus misiles térmicos porque el objeto, pese a volar a Mach 3.5, no emitía calor.
- Voces en el Triángulo de Motril: Otro piloto de combate informó haber escuchado un coro de voces infantiles diciendo "hola, ¿cómo estás?" a través de sus auriculares mientras perseguía tres luces en formación triangular.
Perspectiva histórica y antropológica
- Visitantes antiguos: Sierra sugiere que el fenómeno no es nuevo, citando los "escudos ardientes" descritos por el historiador latino Tito Livio, los Vimanas de los textos védicos de la India y luces observadas por Cristóbal Colón en 1492.
- El "culto cargo": Explica cómo civilizaciones primitivas divinizaron a soldados de la Segunda Guerra Mundial y sugiere que nuestras religiones antiguas podrían haber nacido de contactos similares con inteligencias avanzadas que no comprendíamos.
El rol de los testigos cualificados
Sierra subraya que el perfil del testigo ha cambiado; ya no son solo personas sin formación, sino astronautas y pilotos civiles/militares. Menciona que, según encuestas, casi un 30% de los pilotos civiles españoles han tenido algún avistamiento inexplicado.
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00:00He is Javier Sierra, he is the director of Más Allá magazine, a magazine published in Spain.
00:06It is distributed throughout Latin America.
00:09And I was reading, and you brought me Javier, a NATO report,
00:13where, among other things, the question is asked, "What are we preparing for?"
00:17That's how it is.
00:18Prepare for what?
00:19Well, the problem of UFOs, from a military point of view in Europe,
00:23It is a defense problem of the first magnitude.
00:25No country in the world is pleased to learn that unidentified objects,
00:31of intelligent behavior, they violate a nation's airspace,
00:35and the defense systems are unable to identify that intruder,
00:39but even, and the report describes this in great detail,
00:43When they have tried to defeat them, they have not been able to in any way.
00:47In fact, the report includes several significant incidents.
00:52One of them, for example, took place in Tehran in 1976,
00:54when two Miras F4 fighter jets tried to intercept a large mothership UFO,
01:01an elongated UFO, which had appeared over one of the residential neighborhoods of Tehran.
01:05Those two aircraft were unable to approach within a radius of more than 45 kilometers around that object.
01:12because as soon as they penetrated that frequency, all navigation systems were disrupted.
01:16In other words, the military is grappling with the fact that they are facing superior technology.
01:21And in this report they acknowledge it for the first time in these 50 years of modern research into the UFO phenomenon,
01:27and they suggest that it is a technology that is very difficult to control from a military point of view.
01:33You marked 50 years ago, 50 years ago, the Second World War,
01:38And the world is divided, the world becomes bipolar, and the Cold War, and the Cold War,
01:46and all the speculation during that Cold War.
01:49Someone asked, "Are UFOs from Russia? Are they from the United States?"
01:56The wall fell, the countries have met, and they have said,
02:02Were you sailing outside of space?
02:05No.
02:05Were you sailing outside the... no.
02:07And then?
02:09That's right. In fact, as you say, when the wall separating the eastern countries from the rest of the world fell...
02:17west,
02:18A very curious thing was discovered.
02:20The military in the former Soviet Union, and especially the secret services, the KGB,
02:25They had been working extensively on the UFO phenomenon,
02:28because they thought that all this UFO stuff was a Western invention
02:32to smuggle spy planes over territories protected by them,
02:38without being able to, well, protest against an enemy military incursion.
02:42But they realized that the UFO phenomenon transcended that,
02:45that for the military themselves, let's say, the allied ones, the matter was very far from being resolved.
02:53In the United States, the topic began to be investigated as a military secret in 1947.
02:59Something very significant happens during that time.
03:03In July 1947, an unidentified object crashed near a military base in Roswell, New Jersey.
03:11Mexico.
03:11Does it crash?
03:12It crashes.
03:13The soldiers at that barracks recovered the remains of that disc,
03:18There was practically no talk of flying saucers at that time.
03:21and an official statement is issued by the Air Force,
03:24which says that the military at the Roswell base captured a flying disc on a ranch in the region.
03:30It is an official recognition.
03:31Hours later, another statement is issued, this one coming directly from Washington.
03:36That is, from the other end of the country,
03:38ordering that all of that be denied and that it be said that what has actually been recovered was a
03:42weather balloon.
03:43That was very suspicious; however, we are living in the post-World War II era.
03:50And the military, well, they are listened to; there's a lot of respect for them in the United States.
03:54They are given credit and that information is buried.
03:57Years later, 50 years later, in 1997, a high-ranking military officer appears,
04:04a colonel named Philip Corso, who was a science and intelligence advisor to President Eisenhower,
04:09who publishes a book in the United States entitled The Day After Roswell,
04:13The day after Roswell, he explained that the object was of extraterrestrial origin.
04:18that he himself had held those objects in his hands,
04:21Since half a century has passed and nobody has said anything,
04:23He feels obligated to make it known before he dies.
04:25And it says something surprising: that cutting-edge technology has been adapted.
04:30as a result of the discoveries of those wrecked remains.
04:34This is particularly interesting because the Comet report,
04:37which is the name of this NATO report,
04:41It's a very logical approach.
04:44How is it possible that an extraterrestrial supercivilization
04:47cross interstellar space and crash in New Mexico
04:50in the final stretch of their journey,
04:52right where it was being done or carried out
04:55the ultimate aeronautical and scientific tests of the time?
05:00It's very suspicious.
05:01The Comet report concludes the following:
05:03if that really was an alien spacecraft,
05:07Perhaps what was done by this intelligence agency,
05:11of these UFO crew members,
05:13It was deliberately crashing a technologically loaded object.
05:16to implement, to increase the technology of the United States
05:19at that moment, in order to make them a valid interlocutor
05:23for future contact.
05:25It's very similar to what Carl Sagan presents in his novel Contact.
05:28It's true.
05:28Something very similar, very alike.
05:30And that reflection on the part of these European intelligence services
05:36Regarding the Roswell case,
05:37It's one of those things that has left me most perplexed.
05:40because they are being raised for the first time in this half-century,
05:43openly, in front of the public,
05:46that the UFO or the UFO phenomenon is of extraterrestrial nature.
05:49And what do Europeans think?
05:51What do they want to do even in France?
05:53Well, in France, this report has been written
05:56for President Chirac, with the intention of creating an international organization,
06:01first European and then international,
06:03that is dedicated to the scientific investigation of the UFO phenomenon.
06:06They say, the military, we are in charge of defense.
06:10But science is what has to solve this problem
06:13and to prepare ourselves for what is to come.
06:16What they believe, judging from these 90 tightly packed pages of information,
06:21which is a future contact with one of these supercities.
06:25I'm thinking about the lack of coexistence.
06:29or the incompatibility that may exist between the civilian and the military,
06:33Because I suppose that in 50 years they will have archived something.
06:35Some data must have it.
06:37Yes, of course, in the United States, for example,
06:40There is talk of thousands of classified files at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base,
06:44which is the headquarters of the United States Air Force.
06:47In 1947 the United States set up a whole secret investigation apparatus into the UFO phenomenon,
06:52which has received several names, from the Signo project to the Libro Azul project,
06:56at least as far as we know officially, it worked until 1969.
07:00There have been other projects since then, especially under Reagan's presidency,
07:04For example, Ronald Reagan was a president very fascinated by the UFO phenomenon.
07:08and asked several questions.
07:09He is the man who had even proposed that Star Wars project.
07:14Yes, indeed.
07:15And Bill Clinton is also a figure very interested in the UFO problem.
07:19In fact, before becoming president he had already made several statements on the matter.
07:22And the American policy of secrecy within the military sphere.
07:26It extends immediately to all countries within its sphere of influence.
07:29In Spain, for example, the UFO phenomenon is officially investigated.
07:33by the military, since 1962.
07:3662?
07:36From 1962 to 1999, the Spanish military acknowledges,
07:41Which doesn't mean it's the whole truth, you know how these things are.
07:45They acknowledge having investigated 83 UFO cases.
07:48Of those 83 UFO cases...
07:49Always within Spanish territory.
07:50Always within Spanish territory.
07:51Of those 83 UFO incidents, some are of an extraordinary nature.
07:55For example, I remember an incident that took place in the Canary Islands in 1976
07:59when a doctor had to attend to an emergency
08:03He travels along a road in the early hours of the morning in a taxi.
08:06And he notices ahead of the road a large luminous sphere, almost resting on the ground,
08:11semi-transparent, with two humanoid figures inside,
08:14which are seen through the object, which is more than two meters high,
08:18clad in a red jumpsuit.
08:19They were very shocked by me, they were very scared.
08:21That object, upon discovering the human presence, or so it is deduced, rises and is seen by a frigate of the
08:29army
08:29which contemplates the take-off of that object over the Canary Islands.
08:32The case is being investigated very thoroughly, very exhaustively.
08:36This doctor was even threatened to keep quiet about the matter.
08:42even under threats of disqualifying him from his position as a doctor.
08:45And it is only recently that we have been able to examine this document.
08:49Or even, for example, another case.
08:51November 11, 1979.
08:53A passenger plane with 109 people on board
08:56He is forced to deviate from his route by the presence of two red lights.
08:59that are flying on a collision course towards the aircraft.
09:02The aircraft's captain, Javier Lerro de Tejada,
09:06He diverts his plane and makes an emergency landing in Manises.
09:09An hour later, the object was still hovering over Valencia, over the city of Valencia.
09:13Suspended.
09:14Suspended.
09:15And a Spanish military fighter jet from the Lurianos air base in Albacete,
09:19No, it is sent directly to be intercepted.
09:22The chase lasts 90 minutes.
09:24During the 90-minute chase,
09:26That pilot complied with all the regulations that a pilot must follow in a case of this nature.
09:31First, try to identify it, that is, try to establish whether that device is friend or foe,
09:37We're talking about that type of code.
09:39And second, if there is no identification, the order is to take him down.
09:44They carried, the Miras F-1 at that time, heat-tracking missiles,
09:50In other words, the heat from the enemy aircraft's engine, let's say, is what guided the missile's warhead.
09:57Well, that object was flying at Mach 3.5, that is, 3.5 times the speed of sound.
10:03He was behaving intelligently, making evasive maneuvers in front of the plane.
10:07And it didn't give off a single drop of heat, because the pilot couldn't fire his missiles at any point.
10:13What does this mean?
10:14This means we are facing a technology capable of exceeding the speed of sound.
10:18that does not emit heat and has nothing to do with our propulsion or combustion systems.
10:23This is Javier Sierra. Bye, see you later.
10:38Javier Sierra has been explaining to us not only the intercontinental phenomenon,
10:43but the concern of countries today through their governments.
10:48Why in Argentina? Why in Córdoba? Why with Cerro Uri Torco looming?
10:53Well, Cerro Uri Torco, Córdoba, and Capilla del Monte have become meeting places for ufologists.
11:00everyone.
11:01Especially Spanish-speaking ufologists,
11:05Because the United States always seems to be the opinion-makers regarding the UFO topic.
11:11or Anglo-Saxon ufology, talking about abductions, greys, military conspiracies, etc.
11:16When incidents of the utmost interest have occurred and continue to occur in Spanish-speaking countries
11:24for those of us who investigate this problem.
11:26What has been debated once again?
11:30The veracity? The authenticity of the testimonies? The energy fields?
11:35What is being discussed? What is being debated?
11:36Look, the UFO problem has a common denominator.
11:41The problem lies with the witness.
11:43In other words, what kind of people are those who claim to see UFOs?
11:46For many years he has used the argument that they were uneducated people,
11:51people without education, even without scruples,
11:54Those who have used the "I have seen a UFO" claim to gain fame, money, etc.
11:59But this is not the case.
12:01In fact, there are a large number of highly trained witnesses, astronauts.
12:06For example, I have presented footage obtained by the space shuttle Discovery.
12:11in 1994, which filmed several of these objects identified in orbit.
12:16Since the beginning of the space race, these types of objects have been photographed and filmed.
12:21And an astronaut is a person with the highest level of training.
12:24He can perfectly distinguish between a weather balloon and an anomalous storm.
12:28what is an airplane, what is a UFO, an identified flying object,
12:33of what a UFO is, an unidentified flying object.
12:36Moreover, astronauts and military pilots are probably the most highly trained.
12:41to determine or speculate about the nature of that object.
12:46In Spain I worked on a survey among civilian pilots,
12:51asking them if they had ever seen a UFO.
12:53And who answered?
12:54This survey found that 29% of Spanish civilian pilots were not part of this group.
12:59He said he had once seen a UFO.
13:00This means that almost 3 out of every 10 pilots have seen an unidentified object at some point.
13:05And of those three, one believes that what he has seen is something of extraterrestrial nature.
13:10because their behavior cannot be explained.
13:11Unidentified objects exhibit unusual aeronautical behaviors.
13:16They are capable of flying and turning at right angles; they are capable of doing what we call
13:20Flights in leaf fall are capable of generating magnetic fields
13:25that disrupt radio and television broadcasts, that stop combustion engines.
13:30In short, it's a super technology.
13:33Is Cerro Ritorco an energy field?
13:36Well, it seems to be a place where UFO sightings are much more active than in other places.
13:44We call them hot zones.
13:48Hot zones?
13:48In the jargon, let's say, of UFO researchers.
13:51What does a hot zone mean?
13:52A hot zone means an area of maximum concentration of UFO activity in a short period of time.
13:57This occasionally tends to have its peaks of activity and then disappear.
14:03But there are a few places in the world where that activity has been maintained for many years.
14:07For example?
14:08Cerro Ritorco is one of them, and the Montserrat mountain in Barcelona, Spain, is another.
14:12The Adriatic Sea is another one, and the Canary Islands archipelago, also in Spanish territory, is another one.
14:18In general, these are places that are, let's say, geologically very particular.
14:25These are places with a high concentration of, for example, metals in the subsoil,
14:29This has led to suspicions that these objects, which appear to behave according to magnetic fields, are somehow related to magnetic fields.
14:36They come here interested in the existence of metals.
14:40Recharge your batteries?
14:41Perhaps, perhaps. All of this, obviously...
14:44And are there testimonies in the area that say so?
14:47Is that how they report it?
14:48Yes, well, the case of Cerro Ritorco, especially, begins at the level of world public opinion,
14:53after the landing of an unidentified object in 1986...
14:57Sorry, in 1986.
14:5886.
14:58That's right, it left a big mark on a nearby hill, Cerro del Pajarillo.
15:02which was the subject of tremendous controversy regarding its electricity and what type of combustion might have occurred.
15:09They say that afterwards, even in the fire, the traces remained...
15:13Exactly.
15:14But the footprint met, let's say, the characteristics that other important footprints of authentic UFOs have met in other parts of the
15:21world.
15:21Because, for example, it is known when one of these objects lands on a wooded area or on terrain with
15:29herbs,
15:29These herbs often lose chlorophyll.
15:32Through some type of combustion or chemical process, these herbs lose their chlorophyll.
15:36In one case, for example, which occurred in 1981 in France, in Trans-Saint-Provence,
15:41and which is included in the NATO report we were talking about a while ago,
15:46It is said that when the terrain that had been crushed by a UFO was analyzed in the laboratories of the National Center
15:53of Space Studies of Toulouse,
15:54which is like NASA in the United States,
15:57It had been discovered that the molecular structure of the terrain had been altered.
16:02In other words, we are dealing with some kind of vehicle with some kind of unknown combustion system.
16:07that is capable of modifying the molecular structure of the soil.
16:10And this is not something that a secret Russian prototype or a secret American prototype can do.
16:17His magazine is titled Beyond.
16:18That's how it is.
16:19The magazine that you run.
16:21Closer.
16:22Closer.
16:23No further.
16:25What will happen?
16:26What will happen to human behavior?
16:28What is human behavior when faced with the unknown?
16:31There are two kinds of human behavior.
16:34Because you told us, for example, about the experience of that case of a Spanish barnyard.
16:37who tried to launch a missile.
16:39Why the aggression?
16:40Why not get closer?
16:41Why not know what it's about?
16:43Well, it's the fear of the unknown.
16:45The fear of the unknown.
16:45In fact, that is a deeply rooted fear within the military structure of any country in the world.
16:53The military always understands defense as a good first strike.
16:58And that's what happened with the UFO issue.
17:01In fact, that November 1979 incident of the fighter pilot who tried to shoot down a UFO
17:08It even reached the Spanish Parliament in the Congress of Deputies.
17:12This was also discussed.
17:13This problem, because obviously, imagine, starting up a fighter jet,
17:18Put it into flight and keep it in the air for 90 minutes chasing something whose nature is unknown.
17:23First, it is a consumption of taxpayers' money,
17:27who are the ones who pay for the fuel for that machine and who have the right to know.
17:31And secondly, it is neither logical nor understandable that this information has remained secret for 20 years.
17:40It's something that almost insults reason.
17:43But there's more.
17:45These are very decisive cases.
17:47A few days after that incident, on November 17, 1979,
17:52another UFO, actually three lights forming a perfect triangle,
17:56It appeared over Motril, in Granada, in southern Spain.
17:59Another fighter jet from the same base took off in search of that object to intercept it.
18:04And when he was a few kilometers away, the pilot already had him in his field of vision.
18:10An event occurred that has not happened again within the UFO phenomenon, which is the subject of debate.
18:15In the pilot's headphones, he heard voices, like a choir, like children's voices, he said.
18:21They would say to him, "Hello, how are you?" "Hello, hello."
18:24We don't know what happened.
18:25That greeting was included in military reports.
18:28That army officer spent a week in a psychiatric shock hospital.
18:33He immediately abandoned the pursuit,
18:35And it is still today, almost 20 years later,
18:38that the army has not given an explanation,
18:40not because he has it, but because he doesn't have it.
18:43Clearly, they don't know what they're up against either.
18:47In this story there are always more questions than answers.
18:49Obviously.
18:51What is the first question you would ask someone who is currently traveling in a human body?
19:01How long have they been here?
19:03How long have they been here?
19:05How long have they been here?
19:05And for a reason.
19:07Because there are references to the presence of objects of this type since time immemorial.
19:13Pliny, the famous Latin historian, spoke of ardentes clipéis.
19:17It is a Latin term that means flaming shields.
19:21The clipeis were the shields that the Roman legions called.
19:23Ardentes means fiery.
19:24What better description for a Roman, to talk about a flying saucer, to talk about a UFO?
19:31Even earlier, ancient sacred chronicles, such as the Vedic texts,
19:37which are about 5,000 years old in India,
19:39They speak of vimanas, the vehicles of the gods.
19:42They describe them as a kind of three-tiered pearl on the inside,
19:45which were used by the gods to travel from one point to another on the planet,
19:50that emitted a melodious sound and that operated with a mixture of mercury and rasa,
19:53a material whose nature is unknown, but which is described in these 5,000-year-old texts
19:58of age.
19:59The references, as I say, are everywhere.
20:01Did you know, for example, that on October 11, 1492,
20:09a moment before the discovery of America by Christopher Columbus,
20:12in the admiral's own logbook,
20:15Is the presence of luminous orbs around the Santa María described?
20:18This is in that text.
20:21The first Spanish conquerors who arrived in America
20:24They found many references to that type of unidentified object on...
20:27500 years ago.
20:29It's been 500 years. It's a very ancient phenomenon.
20:32These strange objects even appear in Renaissance paintings.
20:38What are we up against?
20:39Obviously the question is, since when have they been visiting us?
20:42And how many of those legends that speak of gods,
20:46instructors who bring the knowledge, etc.
20:48They are actually referring to protocontacts,
20:50That is, contacts with these cultures in the mists of time.
20:53It is a question that even NATO military personnel themselves ask in this report
20:57because they also review that problem.
21:00How long have they been here?
21:01Would you make any arrangements to be able to accompany them?
21:05I think so.
21:07Curiosity can do anything.
21:08But?
21:10I would give...
21:11One sometimes wonders if they've always studied,
21:15because they didn't stay.
21:16What will happen to our civilization?
21:18Something must have happened, because I think...
21:22Look, during the Second World War something very particular happened.
21:27On some Pacific islands, the Americans wanted to prepare them
21:34as a place of supply, armament, etc., when attacking Japan.
21:40The Americans arrived on islands that had never previously had contact with the West,
21:45With the White Man, they arrived in large metal birds,
21:48They dropped some huge boxes that were labeled "charges".
21:51which were full of war materiel, food supplies, etc.
21:55And the indigenous people were perplexed.
21:56They thought that the gods their ancestors spoke of had returned.
22:00The war ended, the soldiers left those Pacific islands,
22:05And when the anthropologists returned years later,
22:07They found that the indigenous people had maintained the airstrips.
22:11From those intact planes, they had created straw airplanes which they ritually paraded...
22:15...asking the gods to come again.
22:18Anthropology calls these cargo cults.
22:20because of that charge that appeared printed on the boxes.
22:24This happened in the middle of the 20th century.
22:26Imagine if we were visited by an extraterrestrial power.
22:29500 years ago, a thousand years ago, 5,000 or 10,000 years ago.
22:33Machu Picchu, anything.
22:36The legends that would speak of those resplendent gods,
22:38that we find them everywhere,
22:40They could have a similar origin to the cargo cult.
22:42What's going on?
22:44Our civilization has taken a radical turn since the 19th century.
22:49The industrial age arrives, rationalism arrives,
22:51Everything is examined from the perspective of cause and effect,
22:54In physics, the phenomena that occur around us have a physical explanation.
22:58which is easily analyzable.
23:00Then, if such contact were to occur now,
23:03We wouldn't deify them; we would treat them differently.
23:07Perhaps that's the next step.
23:09You used a word, which is divinization.
23:12What would happen to religions?
23:16What would happen to the gods?
23:17What would happen to the messiahs?
23:19What would happen to myths?
23:20I have the feeling that most religions
23:25They have to do with a local god, very much our own, very local.
23:29The profound one, the creator of the universe...
23:32Supreme.
23:32I think it's something else.
23:34Yeah.
23:34It's much bigger than we imagined.
23:36Do you believe you are linked to these phenomena?
23:40No.
23:41Are you scared?
23:42No.
23:46I keep sending the oritorco and sometimes I'm left thinking
23:49in these days that we are here with the presence of infinity.
23:54Into the unknown, right?
23:57All the best to you, Javier.
23:59The best for you.
24:00Thank you.
24:01Thank you.
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