Secondo appuntamento di Storie Maledette dedicato a una vicenda umana e giudiziaria che non ha precedenti, destinata a fare storia, per un duplice motivo: perché è la prima volta che, in Italia, in un Processo, entrano, con peso determinante per la definizione della pena, le Neuroscienze. Vale a dire, quelle tecniche di accertamento che consentono di studiare aree del cervello che regolano funzioni specifiche del comportamento: nel caso in questione, aree del cervello preposte a istinti aggressivi e criminosi. Perché è la prima volta che, chi si è reso protagonista di una "maledetta storia", rivela in una trasmissione televisiva quello che nel corso del Processo aveva taciuto, dichiarando di non ricordare; dichiarando di non sapere: i delitti commessi; la loro modalità; il movente alla radice di quei delitti. Ventisei anni nel 2009 all'epoca dei fatti, famiglia di imprenditori del comasco, Stefania Albertani, geometra, anche lei imprenditrice, ragazza di straordinaria intelligenza, è sinistramente abitata da una doppia identità. Un alter ego in incognito che la possiede, la domina, a sua insaputa determina e guida le sue azioni. Anche le più feroci, anche le più scellerate. Condannata a 20 anni di reclusione più tre di Ospedale Psichiatrico Giudiziario, Stefania Albertani - che attualmente sconta la pena nell'OPG di Castiglione delle Stiviere (Mn) - rivela a Franca Leosini come e perché ha ucciso la sorella e ne ha incendiato il corpo; rivela come e perché ha tentato di uccidere i genitori dando fuoco alla loro macchina; rivela a Franca Leosini come e perché ha strangolato la madre che – in extremis – è stata salvata, malgrado Stefania ne avesse già affidato al fuoco il corpo straziato
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00:04Normality is a planet suspended between joys and sorrows.
00:13Normality is a family of industrious entrepreneurial bourgeoisie, father, mother and three children.
00:20Normality is the soft quiet of Cirimido, that gentle place that from a hill
00:26sweet look discreet Como, normality and geography of the soul where in the shadowy areas they can
00:41chasing the darkest obsessions, the most atrocious and devastating impulses.
00:50Based on a highly specialized expert report, it emerged that at the time of the events she was
00:56affected by a dissociative identity disorder, that is, a disorder according to which in subjects
01:04like his, until they heal naturally, inhabit two personalities.
01:10When this incognito alter ego, this second personality, takes over it can induce
01:17precisely to commit criminal acts that escape any control.
01:22The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.
01:25You see that they then fall into the darkness of oblivion.
01:28A black hole.
01:31To a youth of dark unhappiness, Stefania, a hell of the soul burning inside her.
01:38It was the immense weight of his body that he hated above all.
01:43It was the life Stefania hated.
01:46A hatred that in his confusion, without light, he poured out on Maria Rosa, his sister,
01:53student and sunny, like the name she had been given.
01:59I felt inferior to her.
02:01She was the one who still managed to have her beautiful body, to have a normal life,
02:08the one I didn't have.
02:10At one point, you and your sister left your parents' house together.
02:16From that moment on, all traces of Maria Rosa are lost.
02:21From that moment on, Stefania is the only one who can say what really happened.
02:26We were in Cirimido's house and she and I had an argument.
02:32We argued because she pointed the finger at me.
02:35But he pointed the finger at me not out of malice.
02:41She wanted to help me.
02:43And he had laid the truth out before me as it was.
02:47He was telling me that I wasn't well.
02:49He was telling me that mine was a disconnected world.
02:54It was taking my reality away from me.
02:57He was taking away my castle of lies.
03:01She had threatened to talk to Dad if I didn't do it myself.
03:10And I put my hands around her neck.
03:12And I put my hands around her neck.
03:42And I put my hands around her neck.
04:25Now Stefania, let's try to retrace together what is the most difficult part of the
04:30her story and we do it together and we can do it together, because after a journey she
04:39Stefania, in order to take back her soul, her life itself, found the strength precisely
04:44to face memories, to look into the abyss, which is the only way one can emerge
04:53from the darkness of a story, when a story is dark. Now Stefania, on the evening of May 11th, as
05:01It happened every evening, Maria Rosa after work went to greet her parents in their house
05:07that was adored in this rented house where they were now living, at a certain time she
05:12and her sister left your parents' house together, that's it, from that moment on Maria Rosa
05:20all traces are lost, from that moment on Stefania is the only one who can say what really is
05:26happened.
05:30There's still a little bit here that I can't explain, I haven't gotten there yet, I
05:35I have a hole in my memory from those two days. My memory starts from that cursed evening,
05:42that cursed evening of May 13th. We were in Cirimido's house and she and I argued,
05:51we had a fight because she pointed the finger at me, but she pointed the finger at me
05:58Not out of malice, but he wanted to help me. And he had told me the truth as it was,
06:06he was telling me that I wasn't well, he was telling me that mine was a disconnected world,
06:13he was taking away my reality, he was taking away my castle of lies,
06:20She had threatened to talk to Dad if I didn't do it myself. And I put the
06:30hands on her neck. Initially I think, most likely I didn't mean to hurt her, but
06:39I wanted her to shut up, I wanted her not to say anything anymore because what I think she
06:44he was saying it was a lot of lies, those lies that I used, stuck on the ground to lose
06:52the senses. At that moment my hands went by themselves, I no longer had control,
06:59but the problem was that the other Stefania didn't have it anymore either. The body was going on its own,
07:04I looked around, tried to shake her a couple of times but she didn't move,
07:10So I assumed she was dead. I grabbed the first thing I found,
07:17so I got a can of gasoline, poured it over him, lit a cigarette and threw it at him
07:22above. A few seconds later I came back up, but I did throw water on him.
07:29The problem is that I went back up for too short a time, because then the other Stefania again
07:34I took full control, so I threw a sheet over him. That night I was
07:40I got home and went to bed. I was empty, I felt nothing, nothing. The emptiness,
07:50the most complete emptiness. It was as if I were there with her under the curtain.
08:23I will never apologize enough. I do it every time my psychologist
08:33He takes me to the cemetery. I look at that photo and I feel such pain that it couldn't be
08:47fill any void. Because there are no words, there are no expertise that can explain what
09:00that I have inside me when I think she could be here. If only the Stefania of today were here.
09:11If Stefania were here now, that company would most likely still exist, but I
09:16I would be out of it. Now, the Stefania of today knows she has a world of choices. She knows she can
09:28choose. She knows she can make mistakes on her own. The Stefania of before had no choices. She had no
09:36world. She had nothing. She was an autonomous. An autonomous who took your life away to save
09:48That world, that castle of absurd lies. Which for me were life. She wanted to take me away.
09:58life. I took his away.
10:16From the evening of May 11th, when she and Stefania and Maria Rosa left your parents' house together
10:21parents, Maria Rosa disappears. But the next evening, around 3 in the morning, Maria Rosa
10:29suddenly reappears under Cerimino's house, under that house that his parents had
10:37hastily abandoned. However, Maria Rosa reappears in a disastrous way, because it is the thud of
10:43a car crashing into a shutter, into a wall, which draws the attention of
10:50neighbors. It's 3 in the morning, 3 at night. Behind the wheel is his sister Maria Rosa, who is
10:55on board
10:56of his car. Now, amazed, impressed, the neighbor runs down to see what it was
11:03success. Maria Rosa was clearly confused, lost, deaf, and dazed.
11:11The pious pool tries to understand what his sister was doing in Cerimino, at 3 in the morning,
11:18at that time of night. But his sister asks him, but he doesn't give any answers, he is unable to
11:24give it, it's not right. As in a sad kingdom, her sister repeats, I'm waiting for Stefania, I'm waiting for Stefania.
11:32At that point Mrs. Elena, the compassionate neighbor, thinks that the only thing to do is to
11:38take Maria Rosa back to the Guanzate ski school. The neighbor gets behind the wheel and brings Maria Rosa back.
11:46in Guanzate. He lays her down, picks her up, finds the house keys on the dashboard, and lays her on the sofa,
11:54he covers her and caresses her, as one does with a child who is very sleepy but scared
12:01to sleep.
12:08The next evening, his sister, mysteriously back there in Cerimino, under your old
12:14house, abandoned. And up says, unkempt Maria Rosa, wearing the trousers and slippers of the
12:20the night before, like someone who hasn't washed, someone who hasn't changed. When her
12:26good neighbors see her, her sister is wrong on the floor, she is in tears and hugging a pillow
12:32and he always repeats his sad nania. I'm waiting for Stefania, I want to go home, I want Stefania.
12:40Stefania, the night before, the neighbor had accompanied her sister Guanzate back,
12:45in her chalet. And who had taken her sister back there?
12:50Most likely me. I don't know why.
12:55That other one, that other Stefania, knows. But for three days her parents, all basically
13:01They thought Maria Rosa had disappeared. And so she says, she was there in Cerimino because
13:06most likely she had brought her back.
13:09Look, but what was his sister doing there? He doesn't know. Why did she keep his sister?
13:20there in Cerimino?
13:22Most likely there was a sick, unconscious connection, that house, Maria Rosa.
13:30I had reached the point of no return. Even Stefania couldn't take it anymore.
13:35Maria Rosa was clearly under the influence of psychotropic drugs. Who had administered them to her?
13:42these psychotropic drugs for your sister? Almost certainly me.
13:47And then his sister was a health nut, she was also a blood donor, she was
13:52one who would never have taken psychotropic drugs of her own free will.
13:59Most likely that Stefania had a feeling that something was wrong.
14:03So he wanted to destroy her. But didn't his sister realize what she was getting at?
14:08I don't think so. How did she convince her to take these... if I don't touch it up?
14:13It's a piece of the puzzle that I haven't been able to put back together yet.
14:18It doesn't matter. Anyway, how did she manage to get this amount?
14:23These aren't psychotropic drugs. How did she manage to get hold of such a quantity?
14:28Dad and Mom used them to sleep. And I use them sometimes for insomnia, too.
14:34Stefania, I have difficulty pronouncing the word just yet, but it didn't scare her,
14:39he was not sad to see his sister wandering lost in the darkness of her mind,
14:44at that point crashed.
14:47In fact, at that moment I thought he was feeling what I had felt all my life.
15:04Without Stefania, when the neighbors see her sister in that confused state,
15:08another time under Cirimido's house, they call the police,
15:12the ambulance arrives and they take Maria Rosa, load her into the ambulance to take her to the hospital.
15:20At that moment, however, she arrives, with her car, following her sister to the hospital.
15:27From there, she was the one who wanted to sign her resignation.
15:31They assumed it was me.
15:34No, this is a memory I have very clear.
15:37I asked her several times if she wanted to stay.
15:42She wanted to be discharged and taken home.
15:45The next evening she died.
15:48For goodness sake, far be it from us to always express judgments, but perhaps it was from the hospital that in that state she was not
15:55they had to leave.
15:56Here we don't really know, we can't allow ourselves to make judgments because we don't know exactly how they took place.
16:02things in the hospital.
16:03In short, if they understood what condition he is in.
16:06But they shouldn't have let her go, they shouldn't have put her back.
16:09So her parents, she informed her parents of what had happened.
16:14No, absolutely not.
16:15Because they were searching desperately, anxiously.
16:18Maria Rosa kept calling her on her cell phone too.
16:35Yes.
16:35No, not really, they were two sheets that were used on construction sites, so they were quite heavy.
16:41It was in the courtyard.
16:42In the small garden behind the house.
16:44Behind the house.
17:08Where was God, Stefania?
17:10Where was God?
17:12When she had pushed herself to the light in the soul.
17:16He turned around too.
17:20Now Stefania, your sister had vaporized.
17:23As if vaporized, it had disappeared.
17:25At that point, aren't his parents thinking of filing a missing person report?
17:28I preceded them.
17:31I tried, even there, to convince them in every way that we had to think about selling the house first,
17:40that a missing person report would have caused problems.
17:44It would have jeopardized the sale of the house.
17:46I knew that tapping the home sale rate would be easy.
17:51However, Stefania, it is clear that, as we said after the tragedy, all the behaviors of that other Stefania,
17:59which she had lost control of, were aimed at making her sister's sudden disappearance plausible.
18:06Well, at that point I had the perfect solution from my point of view, in my hands.
18:12I could, if I may use the expression, sort out both the goat and the cabbage.
18:16I could have blamed the whole story on Maria Rosa and remained blissful and calm.
18:25So to get over what had always been a problem for me from the beginning,
18:30so she, she who was my problem, I had the possibility to eliminate it.
18:34I had the opportunity to say, did you see? It was her, it wasn't me.
18:40And let's see how she does this, because Maria Rosa had disappeared.
18:45But since those who disappear usually leave their farewells, they met me, some letters.
18:51He said that she was leaving, that in reality...
18:54But, let's start, let's go in order.
18:55These letters, how were they written, shall we begin to say?
18:58Computer.
18:58At the computer.
18:59Who were they addressed to?
19:01Mom and Dad and Silvano.
19:03And where do his parents find the letter?
19:05In the Cadorago mailbox.
19:07Here, and instead the one addressed to Silvano will be found later on the table in Guanzate's house,
19:13right? From Maria Rosa's house, that's it.
19:15I wish I could remember what was written there.
19:17He exonerated me of everything.
19:19He took the blame for everything, he said she had drugged me,
19:25most likely what I had actually done to him.
19:29And that she was leaving, with the company's money.
19:33What I had done came there, I attributed it to her.
19:35I was clearing my conscience.
19:37Here, but his parents, when they see this letter,
19:42of these letters, I think.
19:44Mom is the most skeptical.
19:45Dad believes it completely.
19:48But mom, no?
19:49Mom is the most skeptical.
19:53In fact, it's the one that I was having the most against at the time.
19:57But do they believe it is possible that Maria Rosa had carried out all the deeds they are talking about?
20:01But yes, even there, out of too much love, to avoid thinking it wasn't true, he believes it.
20:08Mom that seems strange.
20:11He believes it and he doesn't believe it.
20:13But let's say right away that when in July 2009, after the discovery of Maria Rosa's lifeless body,
20:20his father will be questioned by the Public Prosecutor and the Carabinieri,
20:25will declare that knowing the human reality, the soul of Maria Rosa,
20:29they absolutely did not believe in the reality of those letters.
20:34Without Stefania Premesso, once again, her extraordinary intelligence amazes.
20:37It must be said, however, that in that period, in the situations, in the situations of that Stefania,
20:44there was always a point of failure.
20:47Because, for example, the letters written, theoretically written by Maria Rosa,
20:52the farewell letters, let's say,
20:54Maria Rosa says that she fled to the country to go far away to enjoy all the money she had stolen.
20:59But these letters were written on the computer.
21:01Well, Maria Rosa knew how to use the computer.
21:04Not very well.
21:05Here is the point of impact.
21:07So, that's why everyone knew that Maria Rosa, in fact, didn't know how to use a computer.
21:12This small, tiny detail would have been enough to rule out the possibility that those letters had been written by Maria Rosa.
21:18Look, as he said, his parents absolutely don't believe, as his father said, then he said that he...
21:25Dad started interning after the problem was discovered.
21:27Listen, one more thing Stefania.
21:29After Maria Rosa's disappearance, her parents also went with her and Stefania to the old house in Cirimido,
21:35why did they go there, why didn't we say that his parents hadn't brought their beloved dog, why didn't we
21:41there was space.
21:42Then they went to feed the dog.
21:45In short, let's face it, your sister's shot was right there, under those plastic sheets.
21:49His father also declared that he had seen those cloths again.
21:53But think what a terrible blow it would have been for them, if they had lifted those sheets of their own.
21:59Well, that other Stefania, who went with them, wasn't afraid that after having fed the dog
22:07his parents took a little walk around the house
22:09and they would face that terrible truth with their hearts.
22:13No, I didn't think about that.
22:17Beyond those farewell letters, let's say fake, as we said, she also puts into action a
22:23'another series of operations.
22:25Why does he remember what he does?
22:26Yes.
22:27He goes to talk to the neighbors, to Maria Rosa's neighbors.
22:31And he goes and tells him, does he remember?
22:33All the beautiful paranfrina that had caused the disasters when in fact it was me.
22:39All those bad things that she had written in the letters attributing to Maria Rosa.
22:43But do these neighbors believe it in your opinion?
22:46No.
22:47Because they knew his sister well.
22:49Moreover, one of these neighbors in particular knew about her sister's crazy love for cats.
22:57She would never have left.
22:58Never went to starve her cats.
23:01And they don't believe it, in fact.
23:03So, do you remember what they threatened?
23:05To report the missing person.
23:06Here, when I was saying before that there is always a point of failure in his behavior,
23:14basically, you know, old saying, the devil makes the pots but not the place settings.
23:19Because after the tragedy, what do you remember?
23:22He takes Maria Rosa's post-loved card and Maria Rosa had disappeared.
23:28And then he had told me in the letters that he was in far away countries enjoying all your money and
23:32All.
23:32And I enjoyed his almost.
23:33But did you spend them in the area?
23:36Yes.
23:36Well, he also bought some clothes for 3,000 euros, some things, he withdrew 1,000 euros.
23:43This is the point of convergence in this case.
23:46Maria Rosa must have been 1,000 miles away.
23:49Instead his money was spent.
23:50They were spent on the spot.
23:52In short, she wasn't thinking about this when she did it.
23:55No, because the head didn't really belong to her anymore.
24:02Listen, Stefania, always referring to the point of collapse, on which your actions then collapse.
24:08Let's see what she does.
24:11Because she's going straight into the wolf's den.
24:14I'm going to file a complaint with the police, accusing Maria Rosa of having embezzled the funds.
24:19So I show up happy and calm with the letter, I say look what he did.
24:25So she goes to report Maria Rosa not for the disappearance.
24:32She goes to report Maria Rosa because she had stolen money from her house.
24:39He activated the entire mechanism until the police were alerted.
24:43I did it because it was the only way to keep Mom and Dad calm.
24:47Well, but she didn't think at that moment that practically...
24:52Not even close, I had to protect myself there too.
24:55I had to preserve myself and my beautiful lies.
24:58Yes, so yet another lie to cover up the castle of lies.
25:02And I didn't care what the consequences were.
25:05I didn't stop to think about what the consequences would be if I did this.
25:11No, I was already slipping into oblivion.
25:13By now I was... I hadn't hit rock bottom yet.
25:17Well, he didn't think that by filing that complaint he was accusing his sister.
25:21but he also had to say that she was missing.
25:22So he didn't think that the police would be called to look for his sister.
25:26So what happens?
25:28The Carabinieri show up at the house with a search warrant.
25:32So we find the body both in the house of Cadorago and in the house of Cirimido.
25:36It's July 2009.
25:40Stefania, do you represent that terrible scene?
25:44Mom and Dad, no, but I was there when the police lifted the curtain.
25:50I was hit by something cold.
25:56It's as if in that moment this Stefania, so much so, had started living again.
26:12Wasn't your father there?
26:13No.
26:17Fortunately.
26:20Undoubtedly at that moment his father had had a heart attack.
26:25Certainly in front of that charred body...
26:28I don't think it would have held up.
26:29An angel should have taken his poor sick heart in his hands.
26:34because he wouldn't have resisted.
26:38Here, but his parents, Stefania,
26:40when his sister's body was found, his sister's lifeless body,
26:44they don't ask her any questions, right?
26:46They bombard me with questions.
26:48The problem was that I wasn't able to give him the answers, really.
26:53They thought, as everyone else rightly does, that I was telling yet another lie.
26:59Instead, no.
27:00I really didn't remember.
27:02I was really convinced that I hadn't done anything.
27:05She was telling the truth.
27:06That is, the truth of that Stefania who didn't know.
27:09The right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
27:11Stefania, after the discovery of Maria Rosa's lifeless body,
27:15his mother, questioned by the police and the public prosecutor,
27:18declares that when Maria Rosa had disappeared two months earlier,
27:21their parents had repeatedly asked her, Stefania,
27:24if he knew anything about that sudden and inexplicable disappearance.
27:29So, his father and his mother, basically in the police force…
27:34Yes, they were telling him it was me.
27:37How suspicious, however, are the investigators.
27:39They are clear, they are obvious.
27:41It was almost like everything I'd done, I was saying, look, it was me.
27:46He was trying his hardest, wasn't he?
27:47I mean, anyway, how many suspects?
27:49It is precisely the investigators who immediately have doubts.
27:54So much so that instead of questioning me, since I kept saying that I knew nothing,
28:00that I didn't remember anything, they were mostly focused on mom and dad.
28:04And the more they focused on Mom and Dad, the more Mom and Dad focused on me in turn.
28:09The problem was that they didn't understand that they were putting pressure on me that would eventually make me explode, as it is
28:17success.
28:17Only I initially tried to hurt myself.
28:20I couldn't take it anymore, I was like a mad bird in a cage, I didn't know which way to turn.
28:28I tried to kill myself.
28:33I couldn't take it anymore.
28:35She got herself a nice package.
28:37I wanted to die.
28:39So she really wanted to die.
28:41Only here I wasn't smart, I was ignorant.
28:45I didn't know that amount of benzodiazepines wouldn't kill me.
28:49I was convinced of it.
28:52I did it with conviction, I went to get my nice boxes of Lorazepan,
28:58I took the pills out of the blisters, I threw away the blisters because unconsciously, stupidly I thought
29:04If they don't know what I took, they can't save me.
29:07I swallowed them and got into bed.
29:10So it wasn't a demonstrative act on his part?
29:12No, I wanted to die.
29:14I was tired.
29:17Tired because this Stefania
29:21It was as if she was living for the first time and had woken up in hell.
29:29Hell.
29:47Luckily I got the dose wrong anyway.
29:54However Stefania, the investigator who practically immediately suspects her is
29:59have concrete doubts about his involvement in Maria Rosa's death and to open up
30:06in that working of suspicions there are clearly incriminating elements.
30:12First of all it is quickly accepted that the complaint she filed against her sister
30:16he had neither head nor tail.
30:17It was absolutely necessary to accept.
30:19Then came the signature on the letter which was similar but not identical, the statements of mother and
30:25Pope.
30:25So, dance the suspicions of the carabinieri
30:29It is mainly a discovery that the Carabinieri made during the search of the house in Cadorago
30:34where she, Stefania, lived with her parents because the police found a document attributed
30:40to his brother Silvano in which the signature was clearly forged.
30:44Well, not only that, but the police realized it was fake because it was written on a computer.
30:51with characters similar to those of the letter that had been attributed to his sister.
30:57At that point, let's say, the suspicions, but also the investigations into the murder of his sister focus on
31:03she.
31:04And of course, as is usual practice, the first thing they do...
31:07The notice of guarantee.
31:08Not only the notice of investigation, no, but they put her, her family, her phones, environmental interceptions under surveillance,
31:15In short, you were practically monitored from morning to night, you were under strict control.
31:25Stefania, what were your days like in those days?
31:27Heavy, long, endless.
31:30So she was afraid that it would get to her?
31:34No, that Stefania was scared because she didn't understand what was happening.
31:39There was so much confusion.
31:41I was torn, I didn't understand, I didn't remember, the more I tried...
31:47...and the more I felt...
31:51...strange.
31:56But, in fact, one half of me was undoubtedly in a devastated state, but another part of her
32:05undoubtedly he continued to maintain a certain control.
32:08Blessed, calm.
32:10Because, according to testimonies of people who saw her live in that period, in the months between
32:16May and June, but also throughout the summer, she appeared serene.
32:19Yes, yes.
32:20She, in fact, lived in absolute normality. There is even the owner of a beauty center in Lomazzo who...
32:27she stated that she did not go there even twice a day.
32:29But what was that almost maniacal attention to his person?
32:33Was it some kind of obsession or was it a way to exorcise a desperation that might have killed her?
32:39Undoubtedly one cannot help but think that Stefania was profoundly unhappy during that period, even if she tried to,
32:44with massages, to massage your soul in some way.
32:47His relationship with his parents during that period?
32:50Terrible.
32:51Terrible because they rightly asked for answers.
32:55They deserved answers.
32:57They asked her because there were suspicions behind those questions.
33:02Yes.
33:03And did she warn them?
33:04Only half of me was angry, because half of me was telling the truth anyway, was saying look at me
33:12I don't understand, I don't know, I can't tell you.
33:15The other half was equally angry but because they were annoyed.
33:20She was annoyed because they were becoming the problem instead of Maria Rosa.
33:32And in fact the climate at home was stormy, as it turns out, because her parents doubted her and will say that
33:41at that time they were almost afraid of her.
33:45But the problem was that I was afraid of myself too.
33:48They were afraid of her and they were afraid that she would hurt herself too.
33:52Because they were so afraid of her that they told the police that at night they even brought her to their room.
34:01money, wallet, medicines.
34:05But also because she had a job that paid for herself and she made friends.
34:08Aside from the fact that they were protecting their money.
34:11Listen, Stefania, in front of a daughter who however showed clear, evident signs of discomfort.
34:19I asked her earlier if she had ever thought about seeing a therapist.
34:22But her parents never thought of entrusting her to an analyst, a psychologist.
34:29But not only to help her, but also to prevent her from getting hurt.
34:36They never thought about this.
34:39The only one who tried was Maria Rosa.
34:42And you see, what did I do to her?
34:54We arrive in October Stefania.
34:56October 7, 2009.
34:582009, is a crucial month of October, because on October 7th an episode occurs
35:03which shows how much the other Stefania had now taken control of her mind.
35:09The irritation had grown, the anger too, now was no longer the time for lies.
35:15Now the lies were no longer needed, now the problems were eliminated.
35:18Does she remember what she does or does she want me to remind you?
35:20I remember the episode with my mother very well.
35:24Do you remember the car episode?
35:26No.
35:26Then I'll tell you.
35:28Because it is an episode that will mark a painful turning point.
35:32And I'm telling you this because I know that the two of us will suffer from it together.
35:35But it's a turning point, it's a path that must be taken.
35:41That October morning, she, her father and her mother went to Como.
35:44The purpose of the trip was to obtain an apartment from the Public Housing Institute.
35:52In the late morning, after practice, you stop at a bar.
35:57So, you get your coffee, then you go back to the parking lot where your car was.
36:03Her parents get into the car, but she and Stefania, with an excuse, stay outside the car.
36:10And here Stefania experiences a disturbing, not to say shocking, event.
36:16And the ones recording live were the Carabinieri themselves, because you were monitored from morning to night.
36:21Your car is riddled with bugs, we need to remind you.
36:25It happens that while his parents are sitting in the car chatting,
36:28waiting for her to reach you, because she was still out of the car,
36:32they suddenly notice a strong burning smell.
36:36But what will it be? But what won't it be?
36:38Surprised and frightened, his father and mother jump out of the car.
36:42And what do they realize? What do they see?
36:45His father sees that in the petrol tank, in place of the cap, which was on the ground,
36:52there was a rag soaked in gasoline.
36:56Someone had set fire to this rag.
37:04And the scene here becomes dramatic, because that burning rag,
37:08her father points the finger at her, against her Stefania,
37:12and the accusation of wanting to blow up the car with their wind.
37:16Do you remember this?
37:17No, that one.
37:17I remember it.
37:20I remember the discussion I had that day with my mother, yes.
37:23It was after, because she at that moment, to conclude the episode,
37:27she was leaning against the car.
37:29It was right next to the tank.
37:31When her father accuses her, she, and this can be heard from the wiretaps,
37:37because the carabinieri were with their ears glued, let's say, to the headphones.
37:43Piagnunco denies it, he says, but when his father accuses him,
37:46he says, but what do I know, it must have been someone, maybe someone wanted to play a joke.
37:50And she, Stefania Sabene, her parents, didn't believe her even then.
37:56So, she can't say, where was the other Stefania going now?
38:00Oh well, he wanted to eliminate the problem.
38:02Because they were the problem.
38:04They had become the problem because they still oppressed.
38:07They oppressed, but rightly so because they were looking for answers.
38:11And not only that, in short.
38:13Most likely they also wanted to try to understand and help me.
38:16Sure, that's the point.
38:18Here, but when her parents realized that she most likely
38:24he had rigged to set fire to the car and blow them up and burn them alive,
38:29Let's put it bluntly, what do they do?
38:31They will go home with her, calmly, as if nothing had happened.
38:40Stefania, there's something else he told you.
38:42Faced with an event of this magnitude, of this Greta, she was multiple suspects and multiple intercepted.
38:52The Carabinieri, as we said, intercepted me from morning to night and were there in the listening room
38:58with their ears glued to the headphones, they hear live that she was setting the car on fire
39:06with her parents inside, she hears her father telling her, I don't know how to speak your language,
39:13says Crispio, burn the gasoline, what did you put in it.
39:17And what do the police do?
39:19But why don't they intervene immediately?
39:21But why don't they show up outside her house and stop her?
39:24What are they waiting for? For her to cause another mess?
39:26Most likely yes.
39:28And in fact, she causes another mess, just a few hours later.
39:31I exploded, it was like I was a big loaded vessel.
39:39What happens that day?
39:40Which exploded, mom pointed the finger at me for the umpteenth time,
39:45about the car episode, about Maria Rosa, about everything.
39:50About everything, I couldn't see anymore, it was the same anger that started my
39:56hands with Maria Rosa,
39:58same, identical, the same emotions, the same sensations, I had no perception, I had no control.
40:05I left, the first thing was as if I saw myself moving.
40:12I opened the drawer and took the first thing I found: a belt.
40:18I came at her like a fury and squeezed, squeezed, squeezed, squeezed.
40:24If I let go of everything, of all that anger, of all those emotions, it would collapse on the floor
40:34and I set it on fire.
40:36Just like with Maria Rosa.
40:38I was getting rid of another problem.
40:41I was freeing myself from another person who wanted to take my world away from me once again.
40:51She set it on fire.
40:52The fire returns once again.
41:10She had made her father leave the house under some pretext.
41:13When I went out to reach him, we then found the police.
41:18Luckily, they intervened in time.
41:20And they saved his mother.
41:23Fortunately.
41:26Here is Stefania.
41:31Because undoubtedly that Stefania had lost her soul.
41:36In short, there is nothing else to comment on this.
41:42And when the police broke in, she thought her mother was dead.
41:47Yes.
41:48She had also placed the house in her painting to simulate a robbery.
41:53His mother, fortunately, survived.
41:56And from his hospital bed he told what had really happened between you, precisely.
42:03Before that terrible gesture.
42:06But he didn't remember anything else.
42:08Let's start by saying...
42:10She confesses right away, do you remember?
42:13I don't think so.
42:15If I'm not mistaken, I told what I remembered a few days later, but only about my mother.
42:21Because it was really the clearest memory I had.
42:24The rest, the harder I tried, the less I got.
42:27It's just that for a certain period of time I remained within my conventions, that is, I did nothing.
42:33Maria Rosa.
42:35Then at a certain point my head started saying, well, wait a minute, look, maybe something
42:39that doesn't work, maybe it just isn't there.
42:43Flashes started to come, only I didn't understand if my head was influenced by the actions I had
42:50Bed.
42:50I could no longer distinguish reality from lies, from fiction.
42:56I was going around in circles.
42:57I was stuck in a spiral.
43:00And I stayed there for a good four years, because I still have to count almost two years in prison.
43:06And I have to count a little less than two years here, of psychotherapy, before I get to stop going around in circles.
43:17I'm still in the spiral, I haven't completely gotten out of it yet.
43:21But she's dealing with the strain of a terrible memory, after all.
43:25We have to remember when the thing happened with her mother, which she first said it wasn't her.
43:30She confessed when her mother, thankfully, survived and accused her, in short.
43:34In fact I was told that I was saying what I could not deny, when in fact I was saying the
43:39truth, what I remembered.
43:41In short, faced with his mother's complaint, that chapter was essentially closed.
43:46Because of course she gets arrested and thus begins another chapter of this painful novel that is her existence.
43:58until now.
44:02The trial against Stefania was held with an abbreviated procedure by the Court of Como in May 2011.
44:10And the accusations are terrible.
44:12Having attempted to kill his parents, having reduced...
44:16Attempted murder of mother, murder of sister, kidnapping.
44:21Exactly.
44:23The motive attributed to her, Stefania, as the trigger for her actions, her criminal actions, is naturally identified in
44:31economic issues.
44:33But his judicial and human story has its roots in a much more complex and articulated terrain, such as
44:40induce the judges to also appeal...
44:43To a psychiatric assessment.
44:44...to the contribution of neuroscience.
44:46This process has rightly attracted the attention of the international scientific community, because it is the first time in our country, among
44:57the first in Europe,
44:59in which neuroscience played a decisive role in the magistrate's decision.
45:05The public prosecutor had asked for life imprisonment and the official expert report had deemed Albertani fully capable of understanding.
45:15to want.
45:16Our consultants, those we have appointed, have instead used neuroscientific techniques alongside those of traditional expertise,
45:25shown that if he had a brain condition, which accounted for the poor impulse control.
45:34The result is that there were malformations in Albertani's brain that justified aggressive behavior and poor control.
45:45towards impulses.
45:52One might ask, but then, are we our neurons?
46:00We, our mind is just what our brain makes it?
46:05That's not exactly the case.
46:08This example also emerged during the trial, which seems very clear to me.
46:12A person can have very high cholesterol and very high blood pressure and not have a heart attack.
46:18And unfortunately, people who, for example, have low cholesterol and low blood pressure can have a heart attack.
46:26In this case we are talking about risk factors.
46:30Another aspect is the following.
46:34But if, as in our case, the defendant has a genetic and biological condition that does not allow him to control the
46:41impulses,
46:42then he should always be in prison or always in a mental institution.
46:46This is not the case because science has shown how our organic and biological predisposition is influenced and can be influenced by
46:56'environment.
46:56So, a suitable therapy can address these biological dispositions and even, so to speak, cure them.
47:09Stefania, beyond the dramatic nature of the incident for which she was responsible,
47:14His trial has caused a stir because it represents a textbook case from a judicial perspective.
47:21In Italy, in fact, it is the first time that neuroscience has played a decisive role in a process,
47:30that is, those diagnostic assessment techniques that allow the study of the brain
47:36and to study in particular those areas of the brain
47:40which lead to aggression.
47:42What do they regulate?
47:43I know that nothing gives back, let's say, anyway, the lives that have been erased,
47:50but she too is paying a very high price.
47:55Without Stefania, I always shy away from the rhetoric of forgiveness, it even horrifies me,
48:01but as far as she is concerned the question is correct, it is unavoidable, it must be reported to her parents.
48:08It is impossible, in fact, not to wonder what his relationship with his parents is currently like.
48:14It exists now.
48:17They are serving a life sentence with me
48:22and they are also doing a journey with me.
48:25But they didn't abandon her, that's the thing.
48:27They got to know me, as I got to know them.
48:34I am sublime.
48:35And now, yes.
48:36Sublime, extraordinary people.
48:38They could have looked the other way and they didn't.
48:41On the contrary.
48:43Without Stefania and her brother, Silvano, she couldn't succeed.
48:47No.
48:48With the only difference that I lost a brother and a sister.
48:53And both by my hand.
48:56Because if Silvano decided to look the other way, it's my fault.
49:01But now I've learned to deal with guilt.
49:04And so I'm willing to take mine and pay for the mistakes I've made.
49:10He is also paying with the awareness and pain of having unearthed these memories.
49:16Also the fact that she has two extraordinary professionals following her.
49:21And they are two people for whom I wouldn't have enough time to thank in my entire life.
49:26They dried so many of my tears.
49:28But they also taught her to cry.
49:30Yes.
49:30Which is undoubtedly...
49:32They taught me to cry and they taught me to say I love you.
49:34For example, taking her to the grave.
49:36When graves do not turn into a fetish, they have a completely different meaning.
49:41And her psychologist took her there.
49:45Yes.
49:45In short.
50:07In that tomb where your sister rests, your past lies, Mr. Stefania.
50:11There are all her yesterdays that she certainly doesn't forget.
50:15But I'll bring it out now, Stefania, making him talk about his today, his days.
50:21How does Stefania spend her days here in Castiglione delle Stiliere?
50:25In the most varied ways possible.
50:28I have taken on a big commitment which is to graduate.
50:41I found the support, in addition to my two holy men, as I call them, of my educator who follows me
50:49and he takes me to university every time.
50:52Let's go?
50:54Good morning, thank you.
50:57University is my thing, it's something that gives me a fantastic boost, because it's one of the first
51:05choices I made.
51:08I made a choice, took it and followed it.
51:25But with great success she was...
51:28I definitely have a big advantage over normal students.
51:33Time.
51:34Great success, university will become, then intelligent with me, he will become a very good lawyer.
51:47Besides the university, there is also the bar.
51:50Here, let's talk about it.
51:51The bar inside the women's section.
51:54Are you lucky enough to work?
51:57Yes.
51:57It's a good thing because unfortunately there are no job opportunities in the facilities.
52:03No, here we call it occupational therapy.
52:21Then she does gymnastics, she also did something.
52:23My gym, my treadmill.
52:25They are all excellent relief valves.
52:29Listen, Stefania, as we said, so you study and work, but a gossipy little bird chirped at me.
52:34Because she's also an avid mystery reader, isn't she?
52:38Which author do you like?
52:40Let's name a few, shall we?
52:41Cornwell, first and foremost.
52:44Camilleri.
52:45Then, okay, the Murder, She Wrote books.
52:49Well, speaking of novels, Stefania, for a long time you were the tenant of the wrong novel.
52:56Yes, of a wrong life.
53:00But that great novel that is life is made up of many chapters.
53:04Now she will have to fill out new ones.
53:08What will he write inside?
53:11Meanwhile, the degree.
53:15Meanwhile, awareness.
53:20And being able to say now I am me, now I am healed.
53:27But above all, being able to tell people that I have heard more than once
53:33I understood that she wasn't well.
53:36Me now, me, this Stefania, those people would like to say
53:41If you understood, why didn't you stop me?
53:45I could have been stopped.
54:00Thank you all.
54:44Thank you all.
54:58Thank you all.
55:08Thank you all.
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