La Strage di via Caravaggio |Parte2| Telefono Giallo 1988 [CrimeCult]

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La puntata si occupa della strage di via Caravaggio a Napoli dove, nel novembre del 1975, avvenne un triplice omicidio ai danni di Domenico Santangelo, 54 anni, della sua seconda moglie Gemma Cenname, 50 anni, e della figlia di lui, Angela Santangelo, 19 anni, nonché l'uccisione del cane della famiglia, Dick. Un caso poco chiaro: le impronte di scarpa e quelle digitali risultano incompatibili con quelle del futuro imputato, Domenico Zarrelli, nipote di Gemma Cenname, condannato all'ergastolo in primo grado il 9 maggio 1978. Zarrelli, accusato di aver compiuto la strage in preda a un raptus dopo essersi visto rifiutare un prestito dalla zia, verrà assolto in via definitiva il 18 marzo 1985, e nel 2006 risarcito dallo Stato per danni morali e materiali con un milione e quattrocentomila euro. Il 28 agosto 2014 viene diffusa la notizia secondo la quale le analisi scientifiche effettuate sui reperti avrebbero dato come risultato l'individuazione del profilo genetico di Zarrelli. Tuttavia, in base al principio del "ne bis in idem", questi non potrà incorrere in un nuovo procedimento penale. Un "cold case" da brivido.   1988.12.23 - Telefono giallo 1988 - La strage di via Caravaggio - 02   #Crime #TrueCrime #ColdCase #Cronaca #CronacaNera #Nera #CronacaItaliana #Crimini #Criminali #CasiIrrisolti #Misteri #Mistero #Documentari #DocITA #CrimeDoc #Indagine #Giallo #Omicidio #Assassino #Killer #SerialKiller #Noir #Racconto #Cattura #CSI #CriminalMinds #SubENG #Delitto #Delitti #Crimine #Criminale #DivinumCrime #Blu #Notte #Carlo #Lucarelli #Misteri #Italiani #Documentario #Docu #Doc #DocuITA #Netflix #Streaming #SerieTV #Serie #TV #Stagione #Completa #StagioneCompleta #Tutte #Puntate #Puntata #Episodi #Episodio

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00:00:00Music

00:00:32She says if the calm that I show when talking about these things is only apparent, look, unfortunately we must continue to

00:00:39live, then I had to think like this, or I try to be strong and let's put a stop to it, continue to

00:00:49living, in the end it went well for you because things could have gone worse, because they could have cured you right from the

00:00:57I gas the aldos,

00:00:59but there come other moments of despair in which one says why I and I would say more, as long as we live

00:01:08in this so-called democratic country, I continue to live, I take courage, but I have been married for three years and still

00:01:18I didn't have children because I think that one day what happened to me could happen to one of my children.

00:01:26me.

00:01:30This was a short film, Domenico Zarrelli the protagonist of our case, we returned on air eight minutes later

00:01:38'interruption, the protagonist of our case who is here tonight in the studio with us, you saw him first in the finale, now

00:01:45we'll see him again.

00:01:46Our guests are sitting here on the platform, I will introduce them to you as the opportunity to speak arises.

00:01:55it will happen, because I would like to address Domenico Zarrelli first.

00:02:00Zarrelli, you were considered for a long time a murderer, a multiple murderer, a voluntary murderer, but you later got out of this with the trial.

00:02:12of appeal that acquitted him, apart from the somewhat melodramatic statement he made now, which we have heard

00:02:18in the video,

00:02:20Do you think you have changed compared to the Zarrelli I described in the first part, the old student who was behind in his studies?

00:02:2630 years old, the man involved in street riots, the one who chased his naked girlfriend through the streets, etc.,

00:02:34etc., the bad guy we mentioned.

00:02:37Look, I haven't changed, because I dispute everything you said. At the University of Naples I have never...

00:02:44I have never been involved in any turbulence, nor have I ever been a member of either the fascist party or the FUAN.

00:02:49I didn't say this.

00:02:50No, but they always tried to make people believe. I never, if we had to be beaten, there was

00:02:55the barmer Giordano of the Digos, who was my friend, who was half a cannon away, and therefore I was never

00:03:02involved in these beatings.

00:03:03The tomb is that she had moved away from the stairs, it was not to escape violence, but only because I

00:03:08I was trying to bring her back to reason, and more.

00:03:11That I liked to live the good life, that I liked to enjoy life, and these were my business, and maybe

00:03:17this tested a kind of sense of envy, perhaps, in those who had to create the monster.

00:03:22He says yes, let's make him the monster. But today there is this, I can happily say that we are 55

00:03:29millions of inhabitants.

00:03:30Well, 54 million, 999 thousand, 999, could have killed those poor three people. Even some of you.

00:03:39Not me, because I went through so many trials, they turned me upside down, they tried in every way

00:03:43to frame me, and they didn't succeed.

00:03:45Because I was innocent.

00:03:47How long did he stay in prison?

00:03:49Five years and six months of house arrest.

00:03:52Oh, and it's not over. My persecutions continue.

00:03:55Today there is a magistrate who has stood up and wants 10 billion.

00:03:59What has reset?

00:04:00What does rezeroed mean?

00:04:01Because he says that I slandered him, saying that he wanted my conviction at all costs, right?

00:04:06And he's asking for 10 billion in damages. He wants 10 billion.

00:04:09From her?

00:04:10Yes.

00:04:11Why? Because Minister Martina Zola, whom I had asked for permission to take action to bring these magistrates to trial,

00:04:17he denied it to me.

00:04:17But now I will turn to Vassalli again, and he must give me permission, because I have to

00:04:21to be able to defend myself against these magistrates who are summoning me to trial.

00:04:24Wait a minute. Let's get this straight.

00:04:26She says, in the meantime I say if the director wants to frame Zarrelli, that next to Zarrelli are sitting the lawyer, the

00:04:34'lawyer, the lawyer, of course, I meant, the lawyer Zarrelli Mario,

00:04:39which is what you see, I was lingering because I didn't know which way the shot would come from,

00:04:43the lawyer Mario Zarrelli, who is the brother of the late defendant Zarrelli, and on the other side the lawyer Coppola, who

00:04:50we saw both of them intervene during the first part.

00:04:55So, you said, Domenico Zarrelli, that at the time you addressed a request to the Minister of Justice,

00:05:06requesting authorization to proceed against the two investigating magistrates, the public prosecutor and the investigating judge,

00:05:13Italo Ormanni and Felice di Persia, for fraud against me, pursuant to articles 55 and 56 of the code.

00:05:23She felt she was being maliciously persecuted by them.

00:05:29Now, in this statement, I have done nothing else together with my lawyer than to transfer everything that is declared

00:05:36in acquittal sentences,

00:05:37the first with a doubtful formula and the second with a full formula.

00:05:40I'll give you an example, the sentence with a doubtful formula, the first, the lightest one, let's say,

00:05:44he says, it seems like we are witnessing a dark plan against Zarrelli.

00:05:48The director asks for Dario Argento, he asks for Fellini, no, you read between the lines, investigating judge, public prosecutor.

00:05:54Then if they want to say that I slandered them, I slandered them.

00:05:56I understand.

00:05:57Now I would like my colleague Ricci, who is here behind me, and my colleague Luderico Piernoli, who is there

00:06:05in front of me,

00:06:06on this particular point, do they have anything to say, Piernoli?

00:06:11From the idea I have formed, having carefully read almost everything that has been written about this case,

00:06:17including the sentences, an impression, my impression is totally different from Zarrelli's.

00:06:24And that is?

00:06:25And the conclusions are totally different from that dark direction.

00:06:28That is, my impression is this, that the investigations, the clues, let's not forget that this is a circumstantial trial,

00:06:37and all the clues of a circumstantial trial, excuse the pun, can be read with a double meaning,

00:06:42but in any case the strange thing that emerges from the documents of this trial is that all the clues

00:06:50which could have been used against Zarrelli are invalidated at the outset.

00:06:57Can you explain yourself well, Piernoli?

00:06:59Let me explain right away.

00:07:00There is the testimony of Audicino.

00:07:02Audicino is that tailor who says he crossed paths with the red Fulvia in his car

00:07:10on board which, according to him, was Domenico Zarrelli.

00:07:16Now, Audicino is an important witness, he is the only one who probably saw the alleged murderer that night.

00:07:24Well, an investigating magistrate, a public prosecutor, Dr. Ormanni, what does he do?

00:07:32He takes him to the police station, to what is called the room of mirrors.

00:07:38What is the hall of mirrors?

00:07:39It is a room where the suspect is brought, who has in front of him a mirror that reflects his

00:07:49image.

00:07:50In fact this mirror...

00:07:51Oh yes, on the other side it's transparent, very good.

00:07:54Very good.

00:07:55A magistrate, therefore an investigating magistrate, brings the witness, and is a key witness,

00:08:02into the next room and shows him the suspect.

00:08:06Bring this Audicino.

00:08:07He goes to the next room and shows him the suspect.

00:08:10That was Zarrelli.

00:08:11That was Zarrelli.

00:08:13And he immediately recognizes this.

00:08:15It's an act, it was a game that the mobile commissioners played in the 50s,

00:08:22that nobody did...

00:08:23A magistrate absolutely cannot do that to you.

00:08:26Because at that moment it automatically cancels out any possibility.

00:08:30In which Zarrelli, she nods satisfied what Pianoli says,

00:08:34but that's the opposite of what she said.

00:08:35I'm not mistaken, but the test recognized it, so the report was not issued.

00:08:38The test didn't recognize it.

00:08:39It was an attempt, she says she admits it, let's draw up the report in the American style.

00:08:42It wasn't an award.

00:08:44This is the mistake that was said...

00:08:46No, the mistake, sorry, no, no.

00:08:47There was, the hearing said, I am not able to recognize because I saw it fleetingly,

00:08:52half-length and no.

00:08:53But a report was made of that.

00:08:55No, no, no.

00:08:55Why was no report made?

00:08:56Because there had been an attempt to make this recognition.

00:09:00It was negative for the prosecution, it was not discussed.

00:09:02Lawyer, but even if...

00:09:03No, I'm sorry.

00:09:04She is not familiar with this particular act of the trial.

00:09:07After this failure to recognize, or illegal negative recognition,

00:09:11because the recognition presupposed the guarantee of many formalities that were not done,

00:09:18after this illegal recognition the witness is taken into account

00:09:24and it is said

00:09:26I'm not sure I would recognize the killer if he were shown to you later.

00:09:33If it is shown to you later.

00:09:35Sorry, Mr. Lawyer, but you've already shown it to us and you didn't recognize it.

00:09:38Lawyer, excuse me, but it is even more invalid

00:09:43the moment he recognized him.

00:09:45Certain.

00:09:46If they do what they do, then they recognize it...

00:09:47Yes, but if they did the test,

00:09:48they didn't make the result you recognized before

00:09:51and they did the American experiment.

00:09:53Sorry, sorry.

00:09:55I'll come to you right away.

00:09:57I would like to make two clarifications afterwards.

00:09:58Right away, lawyer.

00:09:59Yes, I have the third hypothesis.

00:10:00Right away.

00:10:01Let's hear it, ready?

00:10:02Good evening, Dr. Aujar.

00:10:04My name is Gianpaolo, I'm calling from Rome.

00:10:07I'll start by saying that unfortunately I missed the first 20 minutes of the second part.

00:10:12No, the second part started 10 minutes ago.

00:10:15Alright.

00:10:15So he lost little.

00:10:16So, Luca, right at the beginning of the broadcast,

00:10:19seeing the first reconstruction, if I'm not mistaken,

00:10:24So another reconstruction of mine came to mind.

00:10:30That is, I think that the murderer already has the keys when he enters the house.

00:10:37That is, he didn't ring the doorbell, but he already has the keys.

00:10:41Why?

00:10:42Because the murder, a triple homicide, takes place in three different places in the house.

00:10:48Yes.

00:10:49In my opinion, let's say that if there had been a fight,

00:10:55a heated exchange between the potential murderer and the aunt,

00:11:01maybe at least, I don't know, the husband would have come closer to see what could happen.

00:11:08There wouldn't have been this, let's say, triple homicide in three different places in the house.

00:11:15On the other hand, this assumption could be, let's say, refuted by the fact that...

00:11:20Supported.

00:11:22Leaning.

00:11:23...from the fact that a set of keys is not found in the midwife's office, if I'm not mistaken.

00:11:30Yes, yes, but I would leave that aside, that thing about the midwife's keys.

00:11:34Then another thing, I always wanted to refer to a phone call that arrived a short time ago,

00:11:44the talk of the Camorra, of theatricality, that is...

00:11:49Yes, of blatant revenge.

00:11:51Here, precisely because, I too am of Neapolitan origins,

00:11:55in short, I'm also very interested in studying various aspects, in short,

00:12:01and in my opinion, theatricality itself often pushes us not to hide certain crimes,

00:12:11maybe yes to covering them, to covering the tracks, but not to hiding them in this way.

00:12:16In my opinion, it was a terrible murder, undoubtedly committed, produced by a twisted mind,

00:12:24but at the same time premeditated, that is, with all the necessary precautions.

00:12:29Thank you very much.

00:12:30It wasn't Caporra's fault for me because the Camorra very often, let's say,

00:12:34leaving aside the subterfuge, unfortunately the theatricality is truly cruelly evident.

00:12:40Thank you very much Gian Paolo.

00:12:42Attorney Mario Zarelli, before giving the floor to Dr. Zagani who requested it.

00:12:46What do you think of the hypothesis put forward by this spectator?

00:12:49The hypothesis advanced by this spectator is based on initial incorrect information.

00:12:55Here he did not mature in the Neapolitan environment, but was a Calabrian mafioso.

00:13:00Professor Alfredo De Marsico, who defended my brother, spoke about the brigand of Astromonte

00:13:05because this suspected gentleman was of Calabrian origin and therefore he was not...

00:13:11The name?

00:13:12You've already mentioned the name, I'm afraid to do it.

00:13:15Turro.

00:13:15Turro, talk about Turro.

00:13:17Turro, of Turro, of Turro Annunziato.

00:13:18Why is she afraid to do it?

00:13:19Because if he's a mafioso, it's better if he's free and we don't accuse him.

00:13:23Because maybe he has the same fear that I had, the prosecutor might have had it

00:13:28Ormanni because it is stated in the sentences that inexplicably this lead was not investigated.

00:13:34Inexplicably, this lead was not investigated.

00:13:35I have a deed here...

00:13:37This is a fact of exceptional gravity.

00:13:40I may be afraid to name or investigate Turro, but the prosecutor

00:13:44who accepts this job is also terrible and exposes himself, he should have investigated a guy

00:13:50who was not above suspicion and who was being held in the prisons of Reggio Calabria

00:13:55accused of very serious crimes and who had deposited their fingerprints in the registration

00:14:01and not even a scruple was felt.

00:14:02It is said in the sentence, we are not saying it to accuse Ormanni, who did not even feel the scruple

00:14:07to compare the footprints.

00:14:08I can only tell you this, that when I knelt down as a guardian light

00:14:14to Mingione, saying please do me a favor, secretly, Mingione is the one you interviewed,

00:14:19the director of the Scientific Police of Naples, who had deposited in his drawer

00:14:24fingerprints.

00:14:26Do me a favor, compare these prints with those, said the lawyer, we can't move.

00:14:31Otherwise the judiciary could indict us.

00:14:35I'm coming to you, Doctor Zancani, after this phone call, hello?

00:14:39Ready?

00:14:40Yes.

00:14:41Good evening, I would like to ask a few questions to those present.

00:14:45Please.

00:14:46So, first of all, I would like to ask Attorney Zarrelli if it is true that he was accused

00:14:51of having concealed evidence in the pending search for the murderer of...

00:14:58Do you want to answer right away?

00:14:59Right away, right away.

00:15:00He wants to answer right away.

00:15:01If you have any other questions, we'll answer them...

00:15:03Answer this question.

00:15:05It answers this question, certainly.

00:15:07It is stated in the sentence that my charge of procedural fraud, that is, of having modified

00:15:14the state of the places before the investigations began, had no connection with

00:15:20the fact that I had to protect my brother by stealing evidence or documents.

00:15:25And this is an element on which the acquittal sentence with full formula focuses.

00:15:30and he says...

00:15:30But the investigators had gone mad.

00:15:33If Mario Zarrelli could have...

00:15:35Mario Zarrelli would be her.

00:15:55He answered the question.

00:15:57I would like to ask Domenico Zarrelli again instead.

00:16:03Well, it's true that he had, let's say, tried to extort money from his aunt because she was

00:16:09he said he was in possession of pornographic photographs depicting his aunt.

00:16:15If she has any evidence to support this, let me see it so we can have a laugh.

00:16:19Together.

00:16:19No, I...

00:16:20Oh no, because I don't know anything about this fact.

00:16:24But he doesn't know anything.

00:16:25Domenico Zarrelli says that...

00:16:27Have you ever asked your aunt for money?

00:16:28No, and since I don't know anything about it, you bring the evidence.

00:16:30No, but he says, he asks her...

00:16:32Have you ever asked...

00:16:33No, I'm asking the questions, you just have to answer, I don't provide evidence, I ask questions.

00:16:36No, Domenico Zarrelli says no, I never asked my aunt for money.

00:16:40And he's lying, because in the trial they talk about these constant requests for money.

00:16:46to the aunt.

00:16:47And who says so?

00:16:48No, the trial, the trial documents say.

00:16:50In the trial and in the newspapers of the time.

00:16:53Yes.

00:16:54But the evidence...

00:16:55But there was no evidence.

00:17:00Otherwise they would have kept my sentence.

00:17:03Thank you.

00:17:04But she still went to the house on Via Caravaggio.

00:17:08Well, once, if not, from October 2nd.

00:17:11This viewer believes she is guilty, despite the verdict that acquitted her.

00:17:17Despite the sentence that acquitted her.

00:17:19I have to give the floor to Dr. Zangani who has been asking for it for some time and then to lawyer Coppola

00:17:23I'll come to you right away.

00:17:24Thank you, Dr. Aves.

00:17:24Oh, just for a moment.

00:17:25I would like you to allow me to speak about the third hypothesis for a moment.

00:17:30Angela's.

00:17:31Angela's and her pregnancy.

00:17:33Which is totally, completely unfounded.

00:17:37What does colleague Pannai have to say about it?

00:17:39So, let's start by saying that the deputy prosecutor Ormanni, whatever anyone says here,

00:17:44he was, and is, an excellent magistrate.

00:17:47This is the first time I've heard good things about Ormanni.

00:17:49I want to defend him publicly.

00:17:51A scrupulous and intelligent magistrate.

00:17:54Excuse me, I interrupt you after this speech of yours.

00:17:56I must say that I said this joke because the lawyer Ormanni is here, who is not

00:18:02not only is he a lawyer but he is also the brother of the judge Ormanni we are talking about.

00:18:05This is a program, this is a case where everyone knows each other and everyone somehow

00:18:11way they are related to each other, many, they are related to each other.

00:18:15Ready?

00:18:16Ready?

00:18:16Here we are.

00:18:17Can you hear me? I'm calling from Naples.

00:18:19Yes.

00:18:19Listen, I want to give you a quick heads up.

00:18:21At the time, I was neither an innocent nor a guilty person.

00:18:25This evening?

00:18:26Please?

00:18:26And tonight?

00:18:28As?

00:18:29Tonight, are you guilty or innocent?

00:18:31I don't know, I'm not telling him for now at least.

00:18:34Sorry, I interrupted you, go on.

00:18:35Yes, I wanted to tell you this.

00:18:37I wanted to speak to lawyer Zarrelli for a moment.

00:18:41It's not that I wanted to talk, I just wanted to tell him one thing, because maybe he has the

00:18:45short memory.

00:18:47Thirteen years ago, in the press, at the time of the fact, I don't think he was talking about the

00:18:54brother in such enthusiastic terms that he was the Santarellino and that he was the good of the

00:19:00family as he talks about it tonight.

00:19:02That is, he also said in the weekly press that his brother was not, I don't say a little

00:19:10good, but it certainly wasn't the little angel he wants to portray this evening.

00:19:14Nobody wants it to appear.

00:19:15Nobody wants to make her appear like an angel, in fact we have described Domenico Zarrelli.

00:19:18He paid the price for his life.

00:19:21He was the weakest in the family.

00:19:24Yes, please.

00:19:25Excuse me for a moment.

00:19:25Please.

00:19:26When you introduced Mr. Domenico Zarrelli who was on trial at the time, you said you felt

00:19:33she is different from how I painted her this evening compared to what she was at thirteen years old

00:19:39ago.

00:19:40Mr. Domenico Zarrelli said but I am not different for the simple reason that

00:19:45I was not as she painted me, while her brother, the lawyer Mario Zarrelli, is saying

00:19:50which all in all, or at least suggests between the lines, that he was no different thirteen

00:19:55years ago from today, so there was no graduate, he had a lover, he had a girlfriend.

00:20:01In fact, look, on this I think that Domenico Zarrelli must agree, even though you are

00:20:08been acquitted and we are talking about a person who has been definitively acquitted and this

00:20:12Let's be clear once and for all and let's not go over it again, she was a naughty girl, she was thirteen

00:20:17years ago he was a naughty boy.

00:20:19But I contested...

00:20:21He was a messy man, he was a man with a life...

00:20:23I only objected to the turbulence at the university, tumultuous.

00:20:27No, no, I only contested the turbulence and the violence.

00:20:29Oh sure, in fact.

00:20:31I only protested the turbulence and the violence, but there is no way I live that...

00:20:34Certain.

00:20:35But it was something that belonged to me, I didn't have to answer to anyone.

00:20:37I didn't have to answer to anyone until he unfortunately found himself in this situation.

00:20:40infernal machine...

00:20:41Because unfortunately I was citizens of the street.

00:20:44I can...

00:20:44Officer Zancani...

00:20:45Sorry, Dr. Zancani was finishing his argument.

00:20:49Can I finish?

00:20:50Please.

00:20:51So, I was telling her, one of the very first phone calls, one of the dozens of phone calls she made to me

00:20:57Judge Ormanni, to me and to the other injured, was concerned precisely with the circumstance of ascertaining

00:21:02a possible pregnancy of Angela.

00:21:04Professor Canfora, who is a very experienced and very correct forensic doctor, showed me

00:21:10the organs, I took over the next day, uterus, vagina, tampon, small tampon, which

00:21:16It was not in the vagina, as Pannai says, but it was at the level of the labia majora, it was on the pubis,

00:21:21small sanitary napkin, just, barely, with a faint imbibition of menstrual blood,

00:21:27the ovaries, which is the hemorrhagic corpus luteum, and the picture was clear for no pregnancy

00:21:32current or recent past.

00:21:34And unfortunately, you forgot to mention this generic evidence in the reconstruction,

00:21:39there was documentary evidence and testimonial evidence.

00:21:42There is a testimony from her boyfriend Nicola Schiral, who on the day of the massacre knew

00:21:47from Angela that the administration had arrived.

00:21:50There is a diary entry from Angela where she says the date is October 30th exactly,

00:21:56in perfect reference to that of October 2nd of the previous 4 weeks.

00:22:01So there are three sensational pieces of evidence, generic, testimonial and documentary.

00:22:06Doctor Panain?

00:22:06There was no ongoing pregnancy.

00:22:09I don't think it's a medical examiner's pregnancy.

00:22:12Excuse me, Dr. Panain must answer because he is involved in the matter.

00:22:14To take into account testimonies.

00:22:16I am referring exclusively to the technical aspects.

00:22:21And so I must repeat that it only appears in the autopsy report.

00:22:26this brief description of the genital organs.

00:22:29however, it does not appear that a further observation was carried out

00:22:34nor in laboratory tests.

00:22:36If it was all negative, why?

00:22:38Because those few...

00:22:39Excuse me, I would like to say that this is a deviant speech.

00:22:42It goes out of mine.

00:22:43This is the third hypothesis.

00:22:44This is the third hypothesis.

00:22:46The third fantasy.

00:22:49I am Ferrazano, I intervened with my colleague Coppola in the appeal trial

00:22:56and Professor De Marsico, the late and great lawyer.

00:23:02We leave the memories.

00:23:03Well.

00:23:04The error in this is in a kind of continuous forcing.

00:23:09Now I'll explain it to you.

00:23:12Standing...

00:23:12If there's this phone outage...

00:23:15Face, face, face, say, say lawyer.

00:23:16Here the minutes are tortuous.

00:23:17Here we are in the framework of an evidentiary process.

00:23:20Just one moment.

00:23:21No.

00:23:22The goal you want to achieve arises first by intuition.

00:23:28Initially, we look for evidence to validate and strengthen this intuited thesis, therefore circumstantial.

00:23:37In the end, when the numbers don't add up, the pressure begins.

00:23:41For example.

00:23:42Now I'll explain it to you.

00:23:43Just one example.

00:23:44Just one would be enough.

00:23:45She forgot to mention a character who becomes the key to understanding the trial.

00:23:51Say.

00:23:51That guy...

00:23:52Arfè.

00:23:53Arfè.

00:23:54Arfè is a policeman who later also faced trial for extortion.

00:24:00You can see what a good man he was.

00:24:03All right.

00:24:04Arfè came to the forefront of this affair eight months later to say that he, returning

00:24:14At home at night, he saw the light on in Angela's room.

00:24:21Now we have to ask ourselves how, after eight months, one can lend oneself to this testimony.

00:24:28I'm not saying remember, lend oneself.

00:24:30And do I tell you something?

00:24:31No, no, leave it alone for a moment.

00:24:33No, no, no, wait a minute.

00:24:33When the police...

00:24:34No, look.

00:24:35When the police...

00:24:35Excuse me, lawyer, I have to interrupt you.

00:24:37Ready.

00:24:39It's a shame.

00:24:40We were on the right track.

00:24:42If I remember.

00:24:43Ready?

00:24:44Ready?

00:24:44Here we are.

00:24:45Who is Dr. Augia.

00:24:46I had to interrupt Attorney Ferrazzano, who will be angry with me, but then he will forgive me.

00:24:52Say.

00:24:52Doctor Augia.

00:24:53I'm not a professor, please.

00:24:55So, doctor, I'm the deputy commissioner...

00:24:56I'm not a doctor.

00:24:57I am Deputy Commissioner Dr. Barrea.

00:25:00Good evening, Dr. Barrea.

00:25:02Who at the time was in the Naples flying squad.

00:25:04From Naples.

00:25:04I would like you to give me at least two or three minutes to explain my side of the story.

00:25:12Many correct things have been said, but many incorrect things have also been said.

00:25:17A journalist program is inevitable.

00:25:19First of all, I want to point out that my opinion did not coincide with that of all those who had been interested in the investigations on the

00:25:31Caravaggio Street massacre.

00:25:33It didn't match, not regarding the identity of the potential culprit.

00:25:40In principle I could also agree with the accusation of Zerrelli, who unfortunately for him was

00:25:49drawn from a series of clues or incriminating data.

00:25:54Even though there was a huge confusion in the press because the subtle difference was not distinguished

00:26:03which exists between the clue and the so-called probable clue which is better commonly called the incriminating data.

00:26:11My differing opinion reflected mostly the sudden impulse.

00:26:18I ask her and I ask many great professors present in the classroom, if I'm wrong,

00:26:24at the police high school where police officers had to sift through three large volumes of the title

00:26:32and two large volumes by the criminologist Fontanesi have taught us that a fit of rage is nothing other than a violent action

00:26:44characterized by a motor storm,

00:26:49that is, a storm of movements, of uncoordinated actions.

00:26:55So since the act is nothing but a fragment of the action,

00:27:03it follows that the action as a whole also ends up being uncoordinated.

00:27:10Let's see instead, I want to explain to you why the reconstruction of the crime...

00:27:14Doctor Barrea, I'm giving you the three minutes you asked for, they're up, be a little more concise,

00:27:20be kind.

00:27:20Yes, I want to tell you this, let's examine what the murderer's conduct is...

00:27:25No, sorry, don't examine it, go ahead, sorry Dr. Barrea, otherwise it will take too long,

00:27:31Don't examine the murderer's conduct, give your opinion, because...

00:27:34No, look, for me this crime...

00:27:38Doctor, you have taken a dangerous path, in the sense that it is a path that leads you to talk a lot to

00:27:47long,

00:27:47We don't have time to do that. You have to tell me, what is your idea?

00:27:51Look, I just want to tell you one detail that everyone has missed.

00:27:56When the murderer leaves the house on Via Caravaggio, do you know what he does?

00:28:01No one said it. He cuts off the electricity, deactivates the doorbell,

00:28:06which leaves a gloved hand mark on the tile, meaning the killer used gloves

00:28:18in the commission of that crime, because he intended, it was his purpose,

00:28:24that of committing a perfect crime and preventing the murderer from being discovered quickly.

00:28:31So, your deduction... Doctor, but listen.

00:28:34The head given, here nobody, because in this particular nobody said it,

00:28:39because the crime was committed on October 30th, which was not committed on the 25th, the 26th...

00:28:45Get the answer out of the way right away, don't ask yourself all these questions, answer right away.

00:28:51I told her we have little time.

00:28:53For me, there was premeditation in that crime as big as Vesuvius.

00:29:00Anyone who doesn't understand this hasn't understood anything about the right to a race.

00:29:05Excellent.

00:29:06The murderer's act was to...

00:29:09Why did he go at midnight and not at 10:30?

00:29:14It is thought that he left at midnight, but we know that.

00:29:17It is in Angela Sant'Angelo's diary,

00:29:20a letter that the girl wrote to her boyfriend, Nicola Sceral.

00:29:24Dear Nicola, it's 10:30 pm, how I wish I could be near you.

00:29:29Here we have the proof, the proven proof,

00:29:32that at 10.30pm the Sant'Angelo family was alive in the apartment.

00:29:37We said it for the truth.

00:29:38Why did he go at midnight, because he knew that at that time

00:29:42he would have found the entire family he had decided to eliminate reunited.

00:29:47Thank you, Dr. Barrea, for your precious testimony,

00:29:50although not.

00:29:51I would like to continue, I would like to continue...

00:29:54Excuse me.

00:29:55No, no, allow me.

00:29:56We have been overtaken.

00:29:57I think you know less about the process than I do.

00:30:01I'll call her back, I'll call her back, I'll call her back.

00:30:03Look, we stopped at a traffic policeman who comes to the fore.

00:30:08She is an iron man.

00:30:09No, no, not iron.

00:30:11In truth, I cannot allow any deviations.

00:30:18Excuse me, I have to summarize what you said before,

00:30:20because after the precious but fluvial testimony of Dr. Barrea,

00:30:26the gist of which seems to me to be, if I understand correctly,

00:30:28because I was a little confused by all those questions,

00:30:31the juice of which seems to me to be,

00:30:32the killer was a cold, precise and determined person.

00:30:37It was, as they say, premeditated.

00:30:39It was a premeditated right, executed by a cold person.

00:30:43Who also chose the holiday weekend.

00:30:44Who also chose the holiday weekend.

00:30:46There's Ricci, no, sorry, lawyer, please be patient.

00:30:48No, doctor, let me finish that concept.

00:30:51No, lawyer, in a second...

00:30:53We were talking about a traffic warden who comes to the fore after 8 months.

00:30:57Excuse me, lawyer, I ask you to be quiet for a moment, please be patient.

00:31:01I have to follow...

00:31:02But let's get off the road.

00:31:03No, let's go...

00:31:04You'll see.

00:31:05Here, Dr. Barrera...

00:31:06Ricci, in the morning.

00:31:08At the time he was the team's deputy commissioner,

00:31:11and was commissioned by the police commissioner at the time,

00:31:15which is no longer, to carry out...

00:31:17Colombo, brother of the minister.

00:31:19Be concise too, otherwise you'll do like Dr. Barrera.

00:31:22Yes, he was charged with carrying out top secret investigations.

00:31:26So much so that during the trial,

00:31:28when he was called to testify,

00:31:30I had a bad time because you have to admit

00:31:32of having carried out investigations

00:31:36keeping the magistrate in the dark.

00:31:37Why? What is the purpose of this investigation?

00:31:39Because he had to find the alternative route.

00:31:42Probably Dr. Barrera

00:31:43he knows more.

00:31:46And so we can invite him to...

00:31:48But what he told us this evening is already...

00:31:50There are two elements, apart from the questions that have been asked,

00:31:54they are two very precise elements.

00:31:55He has the aim of parallel investigations.

00:31:58We don't know what he investigated.

00:32:01Lawyer Grazzano.

00:32:02I would like to complete that previous discussion in a few words.

00:32:06In a few words.

00:32:06Eight months later...

00:32:08Arfè, we were in Arfè.

00:32:10This policeman comes to testify

00:32:12that returning home in the evening,

00:32:15rather late at night,

00:32:17he had seen

00:32:19the lights in Angela's room

00:32:21turned on.

00:32:23Bravo.

00:32:23You see that she has prepared

00:32:24more than many others

00:32:25who discuss this process.

00:32:27Congratulations on your profession.

00:32:29Come on, come on, come on, come on.

00:32:30This...

00:32:32But when they entered

00:32:33the firefighters

00:32:36and they turned on the main switch,

00:32:38that room had the lights off.

00:32:41So it was already denied

00:32:43from this first...

00:32:45What do we deduce from this?

00:32:46The forced ones.

00:32:47We deduce that a witness was caught

00:32:50which was supposed to happen

00:32:52confirm

00:32:53the return of the killer.

00:32:55A foolish return

00:32:57because the killer would return.

00:32:59His testimony,

00:33:01his...

00:33:01It goes in the direction of the fact

00:33:03that the investigation had been done poorly.

00:33:05And this?

00:33:06Now tell me, he had taken

00:33:07a wrong way.

00:33:08He had taken the wrong path.

00:33:10We were keeping this in mind.

00:33:12According to lawyer Ferrazzano,

00:33:14the investigation had taken

00:33:15a wrong path

00:33:17and they never came back.

00:33:18Thank you, attorney.

00:33:19Ready?

00:33:20Hello, good evening.

00:33:21Good evening.

00:33:21I'm a girl on the phone from Rome.

00:33:23Say.

00:33:24Get to the point.

00:33:25Yes, I had expressed it to the switchboard

00:33:28a hypothesis of mine,

00:33:29that is, that Mrs. Gemma was killed,

00:33:33being a midwife,

00:33:34he knew of some pranks done by the,

00:33:38I don't remember the name now,

00:33:40by the former defendant who was later acquitted,

00:33:42with some girls he had impregnated.

00:33:45and that then he went home

00:33:49precisely to hide,

00:33:51to try to calm these...

00:33:54to get the documents of these...

00:33:57Attorney Ferrazzano,

00:33:58to order, as they say.

00:34:00Thank you, miss.

00:34:01Here I have Domenico Zarrelli in front of me

00:34:03that when she said what she said

00:34:04he made a bad face.

00:34:07You answer, Domenico.

00:34:09There is no such thing as...

00:34:10Please answer politely.

00:34:11Of course that...

00:34:13I don't see any reason for murder.

00:34:16I have to say one thing,

00:34:18Excuse me, I'm making a point of order, so to speak.

00:34:20I'm amazed,

00:34:22me before making this program

00:34:23I had never dealt with legal matters,

00:34:25I have to tell the truth.

00:34:26I'm amazed at the way

00:34:28you, lawyers and judges,

00:34:31speak.

00:34:32You speak in a very complicated way.

00:34:35You speak using three times as many words

00:34:37which would be necessary to express themselves.

00:34:39But why can't you speak?

00:34:42how does everyone do it?

00:34:43Question closed, sorry,

00:34:44but then I have to say it.

00:34:45The answer is simple.

00:34:46Tell me, lawyer.

00:34:46Because we often express great tensions.

00:34:50Why the great tensions,

00:34:52here is Carlo Bernari,

00:34:53and I'll add something more to it.

00:34:54They cannot be expressed synthetically.

00:34:56If you allow me,

00:34:56no, but if you allow me.

00:34:57Please.

00:34:58I'll add something more to you.

00:35:00Many words were needed to defend Zarrelli.

00:35:05Not because many words are necessary

00:35:09to prove an innocence,

00:35:11but because we were called to win,

00:35:14in the Zarrelli case,

00:35:16a series of heavy accusatory suggestions

00:35:18who were playing against the defendant.

00:35:20If you want an example, I'll give it to you right away.

00:35:22Also in this location

00:35:24played a negative role

00:35:26previous violent conduct,

00:35:28defined as violent, by Domenico Zarrelli.

00:35:31We did not deny the incidents of violence

00:35:34committed by Domenico Zarrelli,

00:35:35but we demonstrated that in all those cases,

00:35:38and we did this through an investigation

00:35:40extremely punctual,

00:35:41Zarrelli had expressed his violence in this way.

00:35:44First he had shouted, and loudly,

00:35:47then he had destroyed everything

00:35:49which he had brought by hand,

00:35:50and then he had attacked,

00:35:52not even in an excessively violent way,

00:35:55people.

00:35:56In the case of Via Caravaggio,

00:35:58there is no scream, there is no shout,

00:36:00there is not a single object breaking.

00:36:03There is a violence that is directed

00:36:05immediately and violently

00:36:07against people.

00:36:08Of Guisacchè we concluded

00:36:10that the previous violence itself

00:36:12by Domenico Zarrelli,

00:36:14the systematized violence of Domenico Zarrelli,

00:36:17it was heterogeneous

00:36:18and even incompatible

00:36:21with the violence that characterized

00:36:22the Domenico of Via Caravaggio.

00:36:23It was the same thing he said

00:36:24Doctor Barrei on call.

00:36:26This is to say in a few words,

00:36:26but I want to add one last concept,

00:36:28Doctor Augias,

00:36:29and this is it.

00:36:30I am against it,

00:36:32I would say on principle,

00:36:34to parallel processes,

00:36:35to the so-called counter-trials,

00:36:37I am against new trials.

00:36:40Here you are cultivating three hypotheses,

00:36:43the Zarrelli hypothesis

00:36:45and two alternative hypotheses.

00:36:46Sorry, no, no.

00:36:47If you allow me,

00:36:48the Zarrelli hypothesis

00:36:50it is precluded by a double sentence

00:36:52of absolution.

00:36:52I was interrupting you to say...

00:36:54Double acquittal.

00:36:55Attorney Coppola,

00:36:56she speaks wonderfully,

00:36:58but I was interrupting her.

00:36:58No, I don't speak in a wonderful way,

00:37:00I speak simply.

00:37:01I wanted to do as you do, lawyer.

00:37:03Thank you also for this clarification.

00:37:06which drops the compliment,

00:37:08that is, which expresses the compliment.

00:37:10Excuse me, no, excuse me, lawyer,

00:37:11I wanted to interrupt her to tell her.

00:37:13Please.

00:37:13We have presented three hypotheses,

00:37:15but I took the time to clarify

00:37:17and I repeat it now for the last time,

00:37:19I said it ten minutes ago.

00:37:21We are the first hypothesis,

00:37:23the one who sees accused,

00:37:24which saw Domenico Zarrelli as the defendant,

00:37:26we told it

00:37:28because we had to tell it

00:37:29for completeness of explanation,

00:37:31but clearly those sentences

00:37:33that she didn't need to call back

00:37:34they are present as two.

00:37:36Perfect, allow me then

00:37:37to complete my thought

00:37:39and then I won't speak anymore.

00:37:40My thought is as follows,

00:37:42the lawyer, that is, the defender,

00:37:44he is not called to prove

00:37:46the truth of the crime,

00:37:47that is, who was the author

00:37:49of the crime on Via Caravaggio,

00:37:51but the truth of the process

00:37:53and the truth of the process

00:37:54that we have demonstrated

00:37:57he proclaimed and proclaims

00:37:59that Domenico Zarrelli

00:38:00with the process,

00:38:01with the fact of Via Caravaggio

00:38:02it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

00:38:04Of course, you are not the police,

00:38:05you just have to...

00:38:06We are not the police.

00:38:08Excuse me,

00:38:09there is the key...

00:38:10Right away, right after.

00:38:11I would like to give already

00:38:12an observation

00:38:14as he said

00:38:15at the opening

00:38:16Professor Zangani.

00:38:17He says

00:38:18those corpses

00:38:19they were placed

00:38:20in the tub

00:38:21to prevent that...

00:38:23Delay.

00:38:24Just one moment.

00:38:25Delay.

00:38:26Allow me,

00:38:28even if I am profane

00:38:29of forensic medicine,

00:38:30I will say that really

00:38:31it's far away

00:38:32light years,

00:38:33millions of light years

00:38:34in reality.

00:38:36Those corpses

00:38:37they were in the tub

00:38:38and placed there

00:38:39with a meaning

00:38:41very precise.

00:38:41And that is,

00:38:42say it right away.

00:38:43To give contempt

00:38:45to these corpses

00:38:46keeping them too

00:38:47in company

00:38:48of the carcass

00:38:48of a dog.

00:38:49Thank you.

00:38:50Ready?

00:38:51Ready,

00:38:51Good evening.

00:38:52Good evening.

00:38:52Listen,

00:38:53I would like to say two things

00:38:54very short.

00:38:55The first,

00:38:56precisely in fact

00:38:57of forensic medicine,

00:38:58when the first intervention

00:39:00of the evening

00:39:00it was a first part,

00:39:01he said that

00:39:02actually

00:39:03they were knowledge

00:39:05that were possible

00:39:06to everyone.

00:39:07The fact itself

00:39:08of the water

00:39:09It is not true,

00:39:10it's absolutely not true

00:39:11which are knowledge

00:39:12which belong to everyone.

00:39:13And then a second thing,

00:39:14When

00:39:17an intervention

00:39:18telephone

00:39:18he overshadowed

00:39:21a kind

00:39:22of blackmail

00:39:24by

00:39:24of the accused

00:39:26which was

00:39:26acquitted anyway

00:39:27best wishes for him,

00:39:29a blackmail

00:39:30towards

00:39:31of the aunt,

00:39:32because it was

00:39:33he blackmailed him,

00:39:35agree?

00:39:36That is, he says

00:39:36but why

00:39:37do I have to kill?

00:39:38But rightly so

00:39:39if he was blackmailing

00:39:40the aunt

00:39:40and the aunt

00:39:43that is, the aunt

00:39:44he was blackmailing him

00:39:45rightly

00:39:46he's back

00:39:46in the night

00:39:47there

00:39:47and killed

00:39:48everyone

00:39:48premeditating

00:39:49the whole thing.

00:39:50Good night.

00:39:52Thank you.

00:39:54Pernoli

00:39:56he wanted to tell us

00:39:57one thing

00:39:57and then

00:39:59I have to give the floor

00:40:00to Ormanni

00:40:00after Pernoli

00:40:01sorry why

00:40:02a moment ago

00:40:02Lawyer Coppola

00:40:03we are not here

00:40:05reprocessing

00:40:06Domenico Zarrelli

00:40:08but undoubtedly

00:40:10us

00:40:10we don't have

00:40:11speech

00:40:12of a series

00:40:12of carelessness

00:40:14of clues

00:40:15not neglected

00:40:16one thing

00:40:17Barrea said

00:40:18it was a murder

00:40:19premeditated

00:40:19and it was so

00:40:21premeditated

00:40:22that at least

00:40:23from what it appears

00:40:24the documents

00:40:24the killer

00:40:25he took care

00:40:26to leave

00:40:27of the tracks

00:40:29or false traces

00:40:30her

00:40:31and then

00:40:32the false tracks

00:40:33they are cigarette butts

00:40:33of cigarette

00:40:36turned on

00:40:36and not smoked

00:40:37those were the people

00:40:38that had entered

00:40:39to that series

00:40:39he had left

00:40:40the cigarette

00:40:40same hypothesis

00:40:41the lawyer

00:40:41but it seems to you

00:40:42that you come back

00:40:43the killer

00:40:43allow

00:40:44cigarettes on the ground

00:40:45I didn't say

00:40:45who is back

00:40:46but he wanted to say

00:40:47the shoeprints

00:40:48I didn't say

00:40:48but with shoes

00:40:50allow

00:40:51footprints on the ground

00:40:52I didn't say

00:40:52who is back

00:40:53but you're out

00:40:54from reality

00:40:54I didn't say

00:40:56I didn't say

00:40:57I'm talking about footprints

00:40:58of cigarettes

00:40:58turned on

00:40:59and not smoked

00:41:00but excuse me

00:41:01the footprint

00:41:01of the knife

00:41:02ah today

00:41:02I've been here for a moment

00:41:03that wasn't it

00:41:03never a knife

00:41:04but excuse me

00:41:05it was a clothespin

00:41:06and it was left

00:41:07there

00:41:07I'm passionate about it

00:41:09it's not a kitchen tool

00:41:11this is the clothespin

00:41:12and that's not a tool

00:41:13let people talk

00:41:14lawyer

00:41:14this is the clothespin

00:41:15but how undisciplined he is

00:41:17I'll put it up here

00:41:18All right

00:41:19yes please

00:41:20Very well

00:41:22I would like to know

00:41:23this clothespin

00:41:23can turn

00:41:24calmly

00:41:25not the blade

00:41:26never touches

00:41:27the tablecloth

00:41:28a moment

00:41:29Indeed

00:41:30to print

00:41:31that blade

00:41:32I have to do

00:41:32this work

00:41:33that is, I have to

00:41:34press

00:41:35on purpose

00:41:36on the tablecloth

00:41:37but why

00:41:38clean it

00:41:39and go further

00:41:40to clean it

00:41:40look doctor

00:41:42she allows me

00:41:43two minutes

00:41:44there was a will

00:41:45allow me

00:41:46two minutes

00:41:47look

00:41:48at this point

00:41:49two minutes

00:41:50in the reconstruction

00:41:51of the fact

00:41:52two minutes

00:41:53sorry Augius

00:41:54I'm a moment

00:41:54I

00:41:55there was

00:41:56a will

00:41:57of the murderer

00:41:58to constitute

00:41:59a series of clues

00:42:00deviants

00:42:01Exactly

00:42:01they are murderers

00:42:03the book is tied

00:42:04by Bernari

00:42:06and no no

00:42:06if you read it carefully

00:42:07and it was written

00:42:10when the process

00:42:12it was in progress

00:42:13lawyer

00:42:13no before

00:42:14Excuse me

00:42:15even before

00:42:16but you know first

00:42:16and I say

00:42:17how come a writer

00:42:18he knows things

00:42:18more than one judge

00:42:19no no no

00:42:20and this is the answer

00:42:21but I'm not saying it

00:42:22as a lawyer

00:42:23I say it

00:42:23How come

00:42:24lawyer

00:42:25lawyer

00:42:26have patience

00:42:27we here

00:42:28we are following

00:42:29a certain order

00:42:30that she

00:42:30I admire

00:42:31his

00:42:31moderation

00:42:32continuously

00:42:33rather its moderation

00:42:35walnuts

00:42:36to say

00:42:37that the lawyer

00:42:38Ormanni

00:42:38he asked to speak

00:42:39and I think he has the right to it

00:42:40Why

00:42:40the word had come

00:42:41in the meantime because

00:42:42he didn't open his mouth

00:42:42up to now

00:42:43and then why him

00:42:44it is doubly

00:42:45involved

00:42:46in this story

00:42:47lawyer

00:42:49I have to make a clarification

00:42:51and it is of course

00:42:52a clarification

00:42:53of method

00:42:54to me

00:42:55if the mister

00:42:57Zarrelli

00:42:57it was

00:42:58or not

00:42:59the murderer

00:43:00of Caravaggio Street

00:43:01or if instead of him

00:43:02it was

00:43:03some

00:43:04of another

00:43:05of the lords

00:43:05that you have

00:43:06hypothesized

00:43:07that they could have been

00:43:08I don't care

00:43:09Nothing

00:43:10I came

00:43:11to this broadcast

00:43:13only for

00:43:14to place

00:43:14to myself

00:43:16and to her

00:43:17Augeas

00:43:17who directs

00:43:19so brilliantly

00:43:20these

00:43:20to ask

00:43:24two things

00:43:25Before

00:43:27Mr.

00:43:28Zarrelli

00:43:29making his debut

00:43:30in his speech

00:43:31he said

00:43:32that a magistrate

00:43:33he got excited

00:43:34and asked him

00:43:3410 billion in damages

00:43:36Excuse me

00:43:36it must be said

00:43:37that zealous

00:43:38in Neapolitan

00:43:39look

00:43:39I am Neapolitan

00:43:40in Italian

00:43:41it means

00:43:41he got angry

00:43:43he was offended

00:43:44yes yes

00:43:45no because

00:43:45not everyone knows it

00:43:46ah not all

00:43:46the waiters

00:43:47I translate

00:43:49for the waiters

00:43:50from Florence

00:43:51up

00:43:51no because

00:43:52it may seem

00:43:53that comes from Zelo

00:43:54you understand

00:43:54no but

00:43:55from Zelo

00:43:56from Zelo

00:43:57instead no

00:43:58another

00:43:58All right

00:43:59whatever happens

00:44:00Excuse me

00:44:01the point is this

00:44:02I

00:44:02a few days ago

00:44:03I sent

00:44:05a writ of summons

00:44:06to the gentlemen

00:44:07Zarrelli

00:44:08in the name

00:44:09and on behalf

00:44:10of my brother

00:44:11the councilor

00:44:11Italo

00:44:12Ormanni

00:44:13not because

00:44:14my brother

00:44:15wanted

00:44:16the 10 billion

00:44:17like mine

00:44:18I specified

00:44:20in the conclusions

00:44:21that my brother

00:44:21asks for 10 billion

00:44:23as compensation

00:44:24moral damages

00:44:25suffered by him

00:44:26afterwards

00:44:27to this act

00:44:28written by the gentlemen

00:44:30Zarrelli

00:44:31I'll tell him now

00:44:32the famous complaint

00:44:33ah I'll move it

00:44:34to Martina Zoli

00:44:36to Martina Zoli

00:44:37and to

00:44:38Cosiga

00:44:39asking

00:44:40that this sum

00:44:41if the judges

00:44:42they recognize

00:44:43founded my

00:44:44action

00:44:45be donated

00:44:46to the institute

00:44:47in Campora

00:44:47For

00:44:48social security

00:44:50and mutuality

00:44:50among the magistrates

00:44:51Therefore

00:44:52we don't want

00:44:53put it in our pocket

00:44:53nor a lira

00:44:54nor 10 billion

00:44:56but the problem

00:44:57this is it

00:44:57and this is it

00:44:58the point

00:44:59first

00:45:00I wonder

00:45:01Why

00:45:01if Zarrelli

00:45:03he was sentenced

00:45:04from a court

00:45:05of assizes

00:45:06which

00:45:07clearly

00:45:07he made a mistake

00:45:08even if it's through fault

00:45:10that is, not out of malice

00:45:11not for go

00:45:12why didn't he grieve?

00:45:14even or not wanting to hurt

00:45:16even against

00:45:17lay judges

00:45:18and the professional judges

00:45:19what they did to him

00:45:2030 years of imprisonment

00:45:22plus a life sentence

00:45:23but

00:45:24he says

00:45:25That

00:45:25badly

00:45:26my brother

00:45:28which

00:45:28in his modesty

00:45:30in modesty

00:45:30of everyone

00:45:31the rest of us

00:45:33brothers

00:45:33has always done

00:45:34until the last

00:45:35one's duty

00:45:36and this is well known

00:45:37not only in Naples

00:45:39but also outside Naples

00:45:41it must be possible to say

00:45:43things like that

00:45:44and these then

00:45:47I quote

00:45:47phrases

00:45:48of the complaint

00:45:49Zarrelli

00:45:50would have committed

00:45:51I can't stop

00:45:52this thing

00:45:52just one moment

00:45:54clerk

00:45:55a series of falsehoods

00:45:56knowing

00:45:58innocent

00:45:58Zarrelli

00:45:59would have

00:46:00but she is a lawyer

00:46:01be more

00:46:01Certainly

00:46:02few quotes

00:46:04why I quote

00:46:04Zarrelli

00:46:06he would have abused

00:46:07of one's powers

00:46:08contaminated the evidence

00:46:09and influenced

00:46:10that it is

00:46:10and so on

00:46:11At that time

00:46:12he's serious

00:46:14Today

00:46:15in a state

00:46:16by law

00:46:16even after

00:46:18the famous referendum

00:46:19That

00:46:19with three degrees

00:46:21of jurisdiction

00:46:22every time

00:46:23one who is

00:46:24been convicted

00:46:25in the first degree

00:46:26he is acquitted

00:46:27subsequently

00:46:28I have to leave

00:46:29from the assumption

00:46:30that there are

00:46:31of the judges

00:46:32evil

00:46:33which

00:46:33or to play

00:46:34the horses

00:46:35as it has been said

00:46:36of the councilor

00:46:37of Persia

00:46:37or for mere

00:46:39for mere sadism

00:46:40evil

00:46:40or for

00:46:41it is not known

00:46:42what else

00:46:43they can even

00:46:45to have sent

00:46:46in prison

00:46:47a person

00:46:47Thank you

00:46:48this for me

00:46:48it's paradoxical

00:46:49Thank you

00:46:49let's get back to this thing

00:46:51on this problem

00:46:52that she raised

00:46:53in a moment

00:46:54ready

00:46:55Dr. Augias

00:46:56Good evening

00:46:57I think

00:46:58to have

00:46:59a couple of things

00:47:00interesting

00:47:01on this case

00:47:02to be able to tell me

00:47:02and I'm sorry

00:47:03just to have it

00:47:04could have done

00:47:04only now

00:47:05but only now

00:47:05I had the line

00:47:06available

00:47:07and the interesting things

00:47:08there are two

00:47:09one concerns

00:47:10one step

00:47:11important

00:47:12of the complaint

00:47:13That

00:47:14Genna Cenname

00:47:15one of the victims

00:47:16of Caravaggio Street

00:47:16he did

00:47:18against

00:47:18Domenico Zarrelli

00:47:20for an episode

00:47:20occurred

00:47:21a few years earlier

00:47:23yes we remembered it

00:47:24you remembered it

00:47:24but

00:47:25if she will allow me

00:47:26I will read them

00:47:27three final lines

00:47:28of the complaint

00:47:29that are one thing

00:47:29I think it's interesting

00:47:30Then

00:47:31second fact

00:47:32I think it was

00:47:33a little more interesting

00:47:34of the first one is this

00:47:36it's a known fact

00:47:38Why

00:47:38he has the documents

00:47:39of the process

00:47:39but in this one

00:47:40transmission

00:47:41it didn't come out

00:47:42Well

00:47:43an aunt

00:47:44by Domenico Zarrelli

00:47:45a person

00:47:46which is part

00:47:47of his family

00:47:47narra

00:47:48this episode

00:47:49that some days

00:47:51some

00:47:51some time

00:47:52Before

00:47:53of the massacre

00:47:53of Caravaggio Street

00:47:54finding himself

00:47:55in a meeting

00:47:56post-prandium

00:47:57At home

00:47:58of the Zarrellis

00:48:00in a speech

00:48:02very futile

00:48:03very joking

00:48:04among family members

00:48:05it came out

00:48:06a hypothesis

00:48:07of crime

00:48:07Perfect

00:48:09how is it done?

00:48:10the game

00:48:11of the murderer

00:48:12and of the crime

00:48:12Perfect

00:48:13Well

00:48:13on that occasion

00:48:15Domenico Zarrelli

00:48:16he made his own

00:48:17reconstruction

00:48:18of what

00:48:19he meant

00:48:20or what

00:48:20if it could be done

00:48:21to understand

00:48:21for crime

00:48:22Perfect

00:48:22Well

00:48:23I can do it

00:48:24light

00:48:25the step

00:48:25Exactly

00:48:26and precise

00:48:27of this

00:48:27deposition

00:48:28from which

00:48:29it is obtained

00:48:29This

00:48:30that the description

00:48:31that Domenico

00:48:31Zarrelli

00:48:31he did

00:48:32it was the exact one

00:48:33reproduction

00:48:34of the massacre

00:48:35of Caravaggio Street

00:48:36he will answer her

00:48:38the lawyer

00:48:38he will answer her

00:48:39the lawyer

00:48:40Coppola

00:48:40but he wanted

00:48:41before she

00:48:42close

00:48:43those three lines

00:48:44finals

00:48:44those three lines

00:48:45Well

00:48:45these are the closure

00:48:46beyond

00:48:46of the narrative

00:48:47of the fact

00:48:48which caused

00:48:48the fracture

00:48:49of the ribs

00:48:49to the lady

00:48:50Name Gemma

00:48:51as per certificate

00:48:52doctor

00:48:52Mrs. Gemma

00:48:53he ends by saying

00:48:55I ask for punishment

00:48:56of the guilty

00:48:57whose persistent

00:48:58immunity

00:48:59from the consequences

00:49:00penalties

00:49:00of his

00:49:01criminal enterprises

00:49:02represented

00:49:03so far for him

00:49:04an encouragement

00:49:06to accomplish

00:49:06always new

00:49:07he therefore

00:49:09must be put

00:49:10from justice

00:49:11in conditions

00:49:11to no longer harm

00:49:12thank you

00:49:14thanks to her

00:49:15of the intervention

00:49:16Lawyer Coppola

00:49:16we are not there yet

00:49:17forgotten

00:49:18lawyer Ormani

00:49:19the problem

00:49:19that she raised

00:49:20Lawyer Coppola

00:49:21this confirms

00:49:22Dr. Augas

00:49:23what I was saying

00:49:25Before

00:49:26that is, the risk

00:49:27that a broadcast

00:49:28of the genre

00:49:28may

00:49:29may

00:49:30provoke

00:49:31phone calls

00:49:32of this type

00:49:32of this theme

00:49:34we have

00:49:35treaty

00:49:36long

00:49:36in the course

00:49:37of the process

00:49:37those lines

00:49:38finals

00:49:38of the complaint

00:49:38they were very

00:49:39terrible

00:49:39follow me

00:49:40kindly

00:49:40a moment

00:49:41what turned out

00:49:43to the investigation

00:49:44very penetrating

00:49:45which was accomplished

00:49:46on this circumstance

00:49:47that the story

00:49:48of the crime

00:49:49it was accomplished

00:49:51on site

00:49:51of preliminary investigation

00:49:53so we're talking

00:49:54Ormani's property

00:49:54at this moment

00:49:55No

00:49:56particularly

00:49:56preliminary investigation

00:49:57trial

00:49:58preliminary investigation

00:49:59trial

00:50:00then in the next phase

00:50:01to the investigation

00:50:03formal

00:50:03we are not speaking well

00:50:04by Ormani

00:50:04so it turned out

00:50:06that the story

00:50:07of the crime

00:50:08Perfect

00:50:09he was referring to

00:50:10to a story

00:50:11of the crime

00:50:12that had been done

00:50:13in the family

00:50:14in the family

00:50:16and we concluded

00:50:18demonstrating

00:50:18at the court

00:50:20that would have been

00:50:21treaty

00:50:22in any case

00:50:23of a crime

00:50:23anything but

00:50:24how perfect

00:50:25but more

00:50:26imperfect

00:50:26of the crimes

00:50:27to want to join

00:50:28to the story

00:50:29that had been done

00:50:30a word of comment

00:50:30on those three lines

00:50:31final part of the complaint

00:50:32the complaint dates back to

00:50:34to 1967

00:50:36so

00:50:37eight years ago

00:50:38of the crime

00:50:38of Caravaggio Street

00:50:39and violence

00:50:40that Zarrelli

00:50:42expressed

00:50:42in the circumstance

00:50:43I repeat

00:50:44it was violence

00:50:45incompatible

00:50:46with that

00:50:47express

00:50:47in Caravaggio Street

00:50:48Thank you

00:50:49lawyer Ormani

00:50:49we have here

00:50:50a little removed

00:50:51the word

00:50:51I just wanted

00:50:52and finally

00:50:53say something

00:50:54for that

00:50:55that concerns me

00:50:56and for

00:50:57the echoes

00:50:58Truly

00:51:00not classifiable

00:51:01that descend

00:51:03from these events

00:51:04very sad

00:51:05moreover

00:51:05but

00:51:06just one moment

00:51:10dutifully

00:51:10the minister

00:51:11of grace and justice

00:51:12having received

00:51:13This

00:51:13well-stocked

00:51:15dossier

00:51:17Meaning what

00:51:17This

00:51:18exposed

00:51:19to which

00:51:20they were attached

00:51:21many documents

00:51:22he asked

00:51:23he conferred

00:51:27task

00:51:28at the court

00:51:28of appeal

00:51:29Of

00:51:30Salerno

00:51:31to investigate

00:51:32reading

00:51:33on how it was made

00:51:34that investigation

00:51:35on all documents

00:51:36of the investigations

00:51:37made by

00:51:38Dr. Ormani

00:51:39and of the investigation

00:51:40made by

00:51:40how it was made

00:51:41the investigation

00:51:41both the prosecutor

00:51:45general

00:51:45at the court

00:51:46of appeal

00:51:46be the judge

00:51:48instructor

00:51:48they concluded

00:51:49excluding

00:51:51in the most absolute way

00:51:52a minimum

00:51:53it is fraud

00:51:54it's your fault

00:51:54it is fraud

00:51:56it's your fault

00:51:57but

00:51:57I must also say

00:51:58the prosecutor

00:52:00general

00:52:01he asked

00:52:02to the judge

00:52:02instructor

00:52:03to start

00:52:04a procedure

00:52:05for slander

00:52:06at your expense

00:52:07of education

00:52:07I'll read it to you now

00:52:09it's false

00:52:10this is a fact

00:52:11redone

00:52:12on this

00:52:12you can't be

00:52:13disagreement

00:52:14it's a fact

00:52:15redone

00:52:15then I beg you

00:52:16look

00:52:18while she gets ready

00:52:20let's answer this

00:52:21phone call

00:52:22ready?

00:52:23while she gets ready

00:52:23one thing is false

00:52:25Lawyer Ormanni

00:52:26Wait

00:52:26find the point

00:52:27let's answer this

00:52:28phone call

00:52:28ready?

00:52:29ready?

00:52:29you find it in silence

00:52:30ready?

00:52:32say

00:52:33say sir

00:52:34we are here

00:52:35we're all ears

00:52:37listen

00:52:37I am

00:52:38an ex

00:52:39marshal

00:52:40of the carabinieri

00:52:41yes marshal

00:52:42then I would like to tell you this

00:52:44for 9-10 years

00:52:46I am

00:52:47predominantly

00:52:48interested

00:52:49of crimes

00:52:50of the mafia

00:52:51Yes

00:52:54and I think I have

00:52:56performed

00:52:57personally

00:52:59collaborated

00:53:00from colleagues

00:53:01but many times

00:53:02often from

00:53:03directly

00:53:04Alone

00:53:05with some policemen

00:53:07who had the

00:53:07dependencies

00:53:10murders

00:53:11I did the inspections

00:53:13of murders

00:53:14mafia crimes

00:53:15this crime

00:53:16what for?

00:53:17does it make you think?

00:53:17Here you are

00:53:18now I

00:53:18I wanted to tell you this

00:53:20I heard

00:53:21the brother

00:53:22of the dead

00:53:23of the killed

00:53:24it was an interview

00:53:25filmed

00:53:26what does he say?

00:53:28my brother

00:53:29it did a lot of good

00:53:30only good

00:53:31he did good

00:53:32to everyone

00:53:33but in the evening

00:53:34it was closing

00:53:35locked in the house

00:53:36he was afraid

00:53:37Now

00:53:39in certain environments

00:53:40of the Camorra

00:53:42of the andrangata

00:53:42of the mafia

00:53:43doing good

00:53:45the various women

00:53:47yes we know

00:53:48Here you are

00:53:49do good

00:53:50it often means

00:53:52commit crimes

00:53:53do no good

00:53:54or at least

00:53:55do good

00:53:56that way there

00:53:57to overdo it

00:53:58one this

00:53:59but I wanted to tell her

00:54:00a person

00:54:01which is clear

00:54:03that the crime

00:54:03it is premeditated

00:54:05Why

00:54:06who enters the house

00:54:08first of all

00:54:09he is a person

00:54:10or that enters

00:54:11with his keys

00:54:12While

00:54:13or opens it to them

00:54:14or that comes

00:54:15welcomed

00:54:16Why

00:54:16late hour

00:54:18it's clear

00:54:19and I say

00:54:20if

00:54:21then come in

00:54:22they welcome him

00:54:23so it doesn't kill

00:54:25immediately

00:54:26how the door opens for him

00:54:27but it even goes

00:54:29to commit

00:54:29three crimes

00:54:30in three different environments

00:54:31of the same house

00:54:32Exactly

00:54:33Here you are

00:54:34if I leave

00:54:35if

00:54:35one of the three

00:54:37it makes me go crazy

00:54:39the spring

00:54:39the sudden impulse

00:54:41they say

00:54:41the grey elements

00:54:43that is there

00:54:44around her

00:54:44Here you are

00:54:45ago

00:54:46to have a sudden fit of rage

00:54:47which makes him commit

00:54:49the murder

00:54:50if it were me

00:54:52I think

00:54:52that you had killed

00:54:54taking

00:54:55an ornament

00:54:56something

00:54:57a body on the head

00:54:58I'll kill him

00:54:58then I move on to the other one

00:55:00another body

00:55:01I'll kill him

00:55:02In short

00:55:02I'll kill the other one

00:55:03I have no reason

00:55:05to slaughter

00:55:07after having them

00:55:09stunned

00:55:10or even

00:55:11killed

00:55:11as they say

00:55:12the appraisals

00:55:13slaughter them

00:55:14all three

00:55:15subsequently

00:55:16Thank you

00:55:17Marshal

00:55:17Wait

00:55:19I didn't finish

00:55:19but it ends quickly

00:55:21why do we have to

00:55:22give back the word

00:55:23to the lawyer

00:55:24organized crime

00:55:25the cutting of the lips

00:55:27the cutting off of hands

00:55:30the throat-cutting

00:55:32they have a Greek

00:55:34throat slit

00:55:35why word

00:55:37it doesn't leak out

00:55:38lawyer

00:55:39Excuse me

00:55:40excuse me here

00:55:40there is the lawyer

00:55:41Ferrazzano

00:55:42which proves

00:55:43of indiscipline

00:55:43and it was not heard

00:55:46listen

00:55:47now I'm making up for it

00:55:49to that character

00:55:51listen marshal

00:55:51but let's do it again

00:55:52quickly

00:55:53to that character

00:55:54of which

00:55:54Calabrian

00:55:55you talked about

00:55:57that one said

00:55:58that have never been

00:56:00compare

00:56:01his footprints

00:56:02Exactly

00:56:03to those

00:56:04this is what we need to talk about

00:56:05but excuse me

00:56:06if this gentleman

00:56:07he was detained

00:56:08really

00:56:09when it turned out

00:56:10to answer

00:56:11to the interrogation

00:56:11in prison

00:56:13oppressed the organs

00:56:14of the police

00:56:15who drew it

00:56:16under arrest

00:56:16should exist

00:56:18there were

00:56:18there were also

00:56:19in the registration office

00:56:20of the prison

00:56:21thank you marshal

00:56:22thank you marshal

00:56:24I'll stop here

00:56:25why the lawyer

00:56:26then after I continue

00:56:27on the phone call

00:56:28on the phone call

00:56:29we need it

00:56:30on this point

00:56:31I can't tolerate

00:56:32that you are told

00:56:33that I say

00:56:34of false things

00:56:35so please

00:56:36leave me briefly

00:56:37say this

00:56:38then if he wants

00:56:39I'm leaving

00:56:40no I'm not leaving

00:56:41last night

00:56:42he almost left

00:56:43a minister

00:56:44from another broadcast

00:56:45of this network

00:56:45I am not a minister

00:56:46let's not be ministers

00:56:48ninth

00:56:48it's just to go

00:56:49too destroyed

00:56:49I just want to pray

00:56:50I just want to pray

00:56:52after this phone call

00:56:53to leave us

00:56:54five quiet minutes

00:56:55why do we have to

00:56:56close this thing

00:56:58be patient

00:56:59at the switchboard

00:57:00and in directing

00:57:00ready

00:57:01Good evening

00:57:02I am the deputy firefighter Petrini

00:57:04Good evening

00:57:05that evening

00:57:05he broke in

00:57:06of the apartment

00:57:07ah here

00:57:08thank goodness he called

00:57:09Here you are

00:57:09without me

00:57:10since that evening

00:57:11she didn't come in

00:57:11in the apartment

00:57:12practically

00:57:13the person

00:57:15what he did

00:57:15the whole massacre

00:57:17he had to by force

00:57:18know

00:57:19the position

00:57:20some furniture

00:57:20and everything else

00:57:21in the apartment

00:57:22so

00:57:22he had to know

00:57:23the house is very good

00:57:24Certain

00:57:24perfectly

00:57:25because when I entered

00:57:27which has already been difficult

00:57:28find the switch

00:57:29which was on the other left

00:57:30of the window

00:57:31but when I was

00:57:32to look for the switch

00:57:34to get to the door

00:57:35it was a problem

00:57:37very large

00:57:38because there was furniture

00:57:39scattered everywhere

00:57:40therefore

00:57:41if one had to

00:57:41turn off the switch

00:57:43and go to the door

00:57:44with the light off

00:57:45he had to by force

00:57:46don't leave the apartment

00:57:47natural

00:57:47and then another question

00:57:50it was done

00:57:51Before

00:57:51that in the room

00:57:52of the girl

00:57:53they had seen the light

00:57:54it's a very impossible thing

00:57:56see the light

00:57:56in the room

00:57:57of the girl

00:57:57it's a thing

00:57:58Excuse me

00:57:58impossible

00:57:59why in the room

00:58:00of the girl

00:58:01there is no chandelier

00:58:03in operation

00:58:04there is only

00:58:05a small one

00:58:05glow

00:58:06which practically

00:58:07even if it had been turned on

00:58:08they couldn't see it

00:58:09from the outside

00:58:10because the data

00:58:11that the tent

00:58:12it's very thick

00:58:12here is his testimony

00:58:14is welcomed

00:58:15with lively hints

00:58:16of enthusiasm

00:58:17by the lawyers

00:58:18why a check

00:58:19to deny

00:58:21Arfe

00:58:21it was just this

00:58:22because in the evening

00:58:22there was the super place

00:58:23in the apartment

00:58:25together with the officials

00:58:26of the mobile squad

00:58:27and when they entered

00:58:28in the room

00:58:28of the girl

00:58:29the greater

00:58:30it barely worked

00:58:31because sometimes

00:58:32it lit up

00:58:33sometimes not

00:58:33but it didn't exist

00:58:34no chandelier

00:58:35why the light

00:58:37he couldn't see her

00:58:38no one outside

00:58:39Thank you

00:58:40Mr. Fireman

00:58:42Thanks for calling

00:58:43thanks for this thing

00:58:44very precise

00:58:44now please

00:58:46I would like 5 minutes

00:58:47without phone calls

00:58:48why it has to end

00:58:50the lawyer Ormani

00:58:50and then we have to hear

00:58:51the answer

00:58:52here we were arguing

00:58:54if I may say so

00:58:55lawyer Ormani

00:58:56on a fact

00:58:57that cannot be put

00:58:58under discussion

00:58:58they are not the documents

00:58:59because there are documents

00:59:00lawyer Ormani

00:59:01At that time

00:59:02the indictment

00:59:04of the Attorney General

00:59:05at the prosecutor's office

00:59:07general

00:59:07of the court of appeal

00:59:08of Salè

00:59:09procedure

00:59:10number 50

00:59:11bar 86

00:59:12general role

00:59:13concludes like this

00:59:14for these reasons

00:59:15having regard to Article 74

00:59:17of the code

00:59:18of criminal procedure

00:59:19asks

00:59:20that the judge

00:59:21instructor on site

00:59:22want to pronounce

00:59:24decree of

00:59:25unpromotable

00:59:26of the criminal prosecution

00:59:27at Ormani's expense

00:59:28and by Di Persi

00:59:29at the outcome

00:59:31he will want to put it back

00:59:32the documents

00:59:33to this office

00:59:34for any event

00:59:35promotion

00:59:36of the criminal prosecution

00:59:37for the crime

00:59:38of slander

00:59:39continued

00:59:39and aggravated

00:59:41at your expense

00:59:42of the lords

00:59:44of Salè

00:59:44this is the indictment

00:59:46of the Attorney General

00:59:47this is the sentence

00:59:49of the examining magistrate

00:59:50which makes its own

00:59:52the conclusions

00:59:53of the Attorney General

00:59:55and says

00:59:55the examining magistrate

00:59:57seen the article

00:59:57etc.

00:59:58declares

00:59:58not having to promote yourself

01:00:00criminal prosecution

01:00:01for the attributed facts

01:00:03to Doctors Ormani

01:00:04and of Persi

01:00:05and orders

01:00:06to give back

01:00:07the documents

01:00:08to the Attorney General

01:00:10as far as it is concerned

01:00:11in order

01:00:12to the facts

01:00:13attributable

01:00:14to other people

01:00:15December 21st

01:00:171987

01:00:18the lawyer

01:00:19Zarrelli

01:00:20who does the lawyer

01:00:21he knows well

01:00:21that this

01:00:22it's the formula

01:00:23curial

01:00:24it's the formula

01:00:25of ritual

01:00:26Why

01:00:26The

01:00:27All

01:00:29this procedure

01:00:30preliminary investigation

01:00:31he took the moves

01:00:32from this act

01:00:34signed by the

01:00:35Zarrelli

01:00:36it's full

01:00:36some insults

01:00:38and statements

01:00:39slanderous

01:00:40for which

01:00:41I

01:00:41lawyer

01:00:42I proposed

01:00:43action

01:00:43in civil court

01:00:44having passed

01:00:46the terms

01:00:46for the defense

01:00:47his

01:00:47let's talk about slander

01:00:48we proceed ex officio

01:00:49the slander

01:00:50proceeds ex officio

01:00:51I'm also proceeding

01:00:52for my own business

01:00:53and she the act

01:00:54if he read it

01:00:55if he reads it again

01:00:56and he will see well

01:00:57that the act

01:00:57he circulated

01:00:58a moment

01:00:59she is not in court

01:00:59at this moment

01:01:00Excuse me, lawyer

01:01:01I'm not doing

01:01:02Armani does not respond

01:01:03Ferrazzano

01:01:04we have to say something

01:01:07for the bagato

01:01:09Ferrazzano

01:01:09for the bagato

01:01:10Excuse me

01:01:11you corrected

01:01:12you undoubtedly have

01:01:13I apologize

01:01:14this fact to me

01:01:15it doesn't matter

01:01:16I don't want to spend

01:01:17precious words

01:01:18I just want to say this

01:01:20which is important

01:01:21for the purposes of the people

01:01:22that he knows

01:01:22of the crime

01:01:23that Domenico Sandangelo

01:01:25didn't receive anyone

01:01:26it is also probable

01:01:28Domenico Sandangelo

01:01:29he had a gun

01:01:30baby

01:01:31that one there

01:01:31you were talking about

01:01:33last time

01:01:33from Browning

01:01:346.35am

01:01:35the only thing

01:01:36that is missing

01:01:37from the house

01:01:38so it is

01:01:39hypothesized

01:01:39that Domenico Sandangelo

01:01:40could receive

01:01:41whoever

01:01:42putting in the belt

01:01:43some trousers

01:01:44his gun

01:01:45why it was found

01:01:46the empty holster

01:01:47at home

01:01:48with the blows

01:01:49that are running

01:01:50from the gun

01:01:51but of the gun

01:01:52Browning

01:01:52there is no trace left

01:01:53the only thing missing

01:01:55from that house

01:01:56But I was expecting it

01:01:57that she would answer

01:01:58at this point

01:01:58no I meant to say

01:01:59to answer

01:02:00to the professor

01:02:01present here

01:02:03we took

01:02:04the moves

01:02:04in this complaint

01:02:05from the sentences

01:02:06that they have

01:02:06used

01:02:07these expressions

01:02:08that is, it was said

01:02:09which is inexplicable

01:02:11like an audience

01:02:12ministry

01:02:13I didn't do it

01:02:14the investigations

01:02:14against that famous

01:02:15turro

01:02:15which we talked about

01:02:16it's inexplicable

01:02:18we gave

01:02:19an interpretation

01:02:20to these facts

01:02:21and therefore I am not

01:02:22the Calondi facts

01:02:23but excuse me

01:02:25to say that a certain

01:02:26demeanor

01:02:27it's inexplicable

01:02:29it doesn't mean to say

01:02:30that the public

01:02:31ministry

01:02:32acted with us

01:02:35but you

01:02:35where is your head?

01:02:37I just want

01:02:37say this

01:02:38the journalist

01:02:39he said here

01:02:39Piernoli

01:02:41he said

01:02:42that the recognition

01:02:43made with the mirror

01:02:45parabolic

01:02:46at the police station

01:02:46it's not done anymore

01:02:47not even in the barracks

01:02:48of the carabinieri

01:02:49a judge did it

01:02:50breaking the law

01:02:52to break the law

01:02:53it means to act

01:02:53with malice and fraud

01:02:55why break the law

01:02:56we talk

01:02:57before the court

01:02:58and not making a show

01:03:00of television

01:03:01and she sees

01:03:01it was said here

01:03:02we said

01:03:03failure to verbalize

01:03:05of a reconnaissance

01:03:07of the reconnaissance

01:03:08we said

01:03:10we repeated

01:03:11yes yes

01:03:11he's right

01:03:12it is not clear

01:03:14but we didn't say that

01:03:15that Dr. Ormanni

01:03:16he did a reconnaissance

01:03:18and Dr. Ormanni

01:03:18he hadn't done it

01:03:19we said

01:03:20he did a reconnaissance

01:03:21and he didn't make the report

01:03:23and this for us

01:03:24it's a fake

01:03:24tell us professor

01:03:25what is this called

01:03:27look

01:03:27what is his name

01:03:29if she answers

01:03:30we say it's a fake

01:03:31we could also be wrong

01:03:32to be terrible lawyers

01:03:34Sarrelli

01:03:34if she asks a question

01:03:36to Ormanni

01:03:36wait for the answer

01:03:37no yet another one

01:03:38since he is a professor

01:03:39of the chair

01:03:40Dr. Ormanni

01:03:41this reconnaissance

01:03:42he made a provision

01:03:44on the instance of life

01:03:44and he said

01:03:45declares

01:03:45the nullity

01:03:46of a possible

01:03:48reconnaissance

01:03:48in person

01:03:50or carried out

01:03:51because it occurred

01:03:52without the guarantees of the law

01:03:53says the sentence

01:03:54it is not known

01:03:55the institute

01:03:56of procedural documents

01:03:57possible

01:03:58this formula

01:03:59he was masking

01:04:00a hypocrite

01:04:03motivation

01:04:04of an act

01:04:05duct

01:04:05violating

01:04:06the most basic ones

01:04:07and sacrosanct rights

01:04:09of the defense

01:04:09and of the accused

01:04:10this is written

01:04:11in the sentences

01:04:12we complained about this

01:04:13in the statement made

01:04:15to the Superior Council

01:04:15of the Judiciary

01:04:16and to the Minister

01:04:17of Grace and Justice

01:04:17you know that

01:04:18it must be added

01:04:19This

01:04:20which is important

01:04:21a magistrate

01:04:22of the Republic

01:04:22Attorney General

01:04:23Verderosa

01:04:25examining magistrate

01:04:26I don't remember the name

01:04:27but we have to say it

01:04:28because they are also there

01:04:29of the investigating judges

01:04:29who think differently

01:04:30Henry D'Aureo

01:04:31they say

01:04:32that a public prosecutor

01:04:33has the right

01:04:34show

01:04:35a witness

01:04:36to the witness

01:04:37a guy

01:04:38suspect

01:04:39through the looking glass

01:04:39and thank you

01:04:40who acquitted him

01:04:41that is, this is a right

01:04:42that is what she

01:04:44he said

01:04:44which is one thing

01:04:45of the ancient process

01:04:48something I abominated

01:04:49he wanted to say

01:04:50he says that this

01:04:51it's a straight

01:04:52of the judge

01:04:53and acquitted him

01:04:55the judge

01:04:55Zarelli

01:04:56Now

01:04:56he said it very well

01:04:58what he had to say

01:04:59she wants to answer

01:05:00the lawyer Romani

01:05:00Please give me your money

01:05:01if she allows me

01:05:02after which I don't open anymore

01:05:03hole

01:05:04unless it is put

01:05:05in the condition

01:05:06of having to talk

01:05:07okay

01:05:08I just have to announce one thing

01:05:09I would like to hear

01:05:10the opinion

01:05:10of the writer

01:05:11Bernari

01:05:12after her

01:05:14Thank you

01:05:14first

01:05:15if it went off

01:05:17here

01:05:17as well as

01:05:18the lawyer

01:05:19Zarelli

01:05:20he understood

01:05:20interpret

01:05:21certain

01:05:22the shower

01:05:24of the decision

01:05:25who has acquitted

01:05:25due to insufficiency

01:05:26trial

01:05:27the brothers

01:05:27and then

01:05:28of the second court

01:05:29who acquitted him

01:05:30for not having committed

01:05:31the fact

01:05:31I suppose

01:05:33since

01:05:33a

01:05:34eh

01:05:35eh

01:05:36an invitation

01:05:37to consider

01:05:38to make him consider

01:05:39malicious

01:05:40the documents

01:05:40positions in place

01:05:41from the prosecutor

01:05:43of the Republic

01:05:44I also have to say

01:05:46that with the same logic

01:05:47they

01:05:48having now

01:05:49said that

01:05:49the Attorney General

01:05:51from Salerno

01:05:52and the investigating judge

01:05:54they did not consider

01:05:55of having to proceed

01:05:56at your expense

01:05:57by Councilor Ormanni

01:05:59and Pez's advisor

01:06:00clearly

01:06:01she has nothing else left

01:06:02that give a consequence

01:06:03or it went off

01:06:04the corporate spirit

01:06:06Camorizzo

01:06:06she doesn't say

01:06:06I don't have this

01:06:07ninth

01:06:07Certain

01:06:08Certain

01:06:08I draw the conclusions

01:06:11from what she said

01:06:12and since I have the courage

01:06:13of my words

01:06:14or it went off

01:06:15the corporate spirit

01:06:17or

01:06:18these too

01:06:19I'm in courses

01:06:20in some crime

01:06:21at least

01:06:21omitting

01:06:22to formulate

01:06:24the sentence

01:06:24and then turn to

01:06:25this time too

01:06:26to the president

01:06:27Lawyer Romani

01:06:27but

01:06:28but

01:06:29Please

01:06:30Please

01:06:31one fact remains

01:06:32which is not

01:06:33allowed

01:06:34speak

01:06:35seriously

01:06:36of malice

01:06:37by

01:06:38of a magistrate

01:06:40which accomplishes

01:06:40his duty

01:06:41just because

01:06:42it is stated

01:06:44that this was there

01:06:46we should

01:06:47seriously

01:06:48I would also like to say

01:06:49humbly

01:06:50provide evidence

01:06:51of fraud

01:06:52as long as that

01:06:53it did not happen

01:06:54Perhaps

01:06:55we can talk

01:06:56of incompetence

01:06:57we can talk

01:06:58of guilt

01:06:59we can talk

01:06:59of lightness

01:07:00but never

01:07:01of malice

01:07:02Now

01:07:03when you arrive

01:07:04to these excesses

01:07:05and when

01:07:06to these excesses

01:07:07we're arriving

01:07:07paradoxically

01:07:08not taking it personally

01:07:10outside the judges

01:07:10who wrote

01:07:11the sentence

01:07:12of condemnation

01:07:13I wonder

01:07:14where we are

01:07:15end of my speech

01:07:16yes me

01:07:16Thank you

01:07:17I answer this

01:07:18phone call

01:07:18then I have to do them

01:07:19I have a question

01:07:20to her

01:07:20ready?

01:07:21ready?

01:07:22yes ready

01:07:22Good evening

01:07:23Greetings

01:07:23I would like to do

01:07:24a question

01:07:25to Mr. Ricci

01:07:27here it is

01:07:28so

01:07:29In my opinion

01:07:29and I'm sure

01:07:30for others too

01:07:31viewers

01:07:32it would have been interesting

01:07:33in this location

01:07:34listen

01:07:35the doctor

01:07:35De Laurentiis

01:07:37for the following reasons

01:07:39in my humble opinion

01:07:40point of view

01:07:40this gentleman

01:07:42that was it

01:07:42who presented

01:07:43the young victim

01:07:44to the future boyfriend

01:07:45Yes

01:07:46first point

01:07:47second

01:07:48could give

01:07:49some explanations

01:07:51about personality

01:07:52from the

01:07:53let's say

01:07:53of the victim herself

01:07:54at least

01:07:55Yes

01:07:55so what is very important

01:07:57and it's interesting

01:07:57possibly

01:07:59and then we would like to know

01:08:00even possibly

01:08:02if he were

01:08:03in this context

01:08:04this evening

01:08:05explain something to us

01:08:07about the episodes

01:08:07of the scratch

01:08:08and more

01:08:09No?

01:08:10and then

01:08:11in a personal capacity

01:08:13maybe even

01:08:14many others

01:08:15spectators

01:08:15this question

01:08:16they asked themselves this question

01:08:16Which?

01:08:18but this gentleman

01:08:19this doctor

01:08:20De Laurentiis

01:08:21he was invited

01:08:23or not?

01:08:24Yes

01:08:25of course he was invited

01:08:26and it is not present

01:08:27naturally

01:08:27no him obviously

01:08:28he had no

01:08:29duty to say yes

01:08:31he preferred to say no

01:08:32and it's not that we are

01:08:33we are journalists

01:08:34I understood perfectly

01:08:35if he says no

01:08:36No

01:08:36listen I'm just adding this thing

01:08:37you only come here voluntarily

01:08:39we don't have the police

01:08:40congratulations on the broadcast

01:08:42Thank you

01:08:42we'll talk about this later

01:08:43Hedgehogs

01:08:44Yes

01:08:44there

01:08:46Doctor's personality

01:08:47De Laurentiis

01:08:48it has been examined

01:08:49of the investigators

01:08:51meticulously

01:08:51and on this

01:08:52there is no doubt

01:08:53they are the procedural documents

01:08:54which attest to it

01:08:55It is true

01:08:56Dr. De Laurentiis

01:08:58was

01:08:59completely excluded

01:09:01is considered extraneous

01:09:02any

01:09:03clue

01:09:04concerning

01:09:06the triple crime

01:09:07but we don't think about it

01:09:09the viewer

01:09:10he mentioned the scratches

01:09:12which have been found

01:09:14about Domenico Zanetti

01:09:16on De Laurentiis

01:09:19on De Laurentiis

01:09:20on De Laurentiis

01:09:20here

01:09:21yes but

01:09:21here too

01:09:23to the chin area

01:09:23yes but it was not found

01:09:25the slightest clue

01:09:27that could

01:09:28to bind oneself to an act

01:09:31concerning

01:09:31the characters

01:09:32that rotate

01:09:33around this process

01:09:34Doctor, forgive me

01:09:35a moment

01:09:36I wish

01:09:37that is posed

01:09:38this question

01:09:39to the professor

01:09:40Zagani

01:09:41who is a coroner

01:09:42and to the others

01:09:43that can

01:09:43they want to support

01:09:44the accusation

01:09:45if three people

01:09:46they can be

01:09:48killed

01:09:49in three places

01:09:50different

01:09:52and then

01:09:52throats slit

01:09:54and what's more

01:09:55the girl

01:09:56throat slit

01:09:57when he already had

01:09:58the skull

01:09:59smashed

01:09:59and not conclude

01:10:01that this

01:10:02it was an operation

01:10:03done

01:10:03from labor

01:10:05specialized

01:10:06that went there

01:10:08with pre-order

01:10:09and premeditation

01:10:11and that sign

01:10:12that cut in the throat

01:10:13it means

01:10:14what a word

01:10:15don't leak

01:10:16he already said it before

01:10:17thank you lawyer

01:10:18listen lawyer

01:10:18now

01:10:18Thank you

01:10:19how can a man

01:10:20do all this

01:10:21lawyer

01:10:21just one question

01:10:22I want to do them

01:10:23I am not able

01:10:24to get into the merits

01:10:25of the diatribe

01:10:25of yours

01:10:27dispute

01:10:28but they will think about it

01:10:29the judges

01:10:29that are paid

01:10:31because of this

01:10:32No

01:10:32on that hill

01:10:34that announced tower

01:10:35really there

01:10:35the thing is not clear to me

01:10:36why ever

01:10:37they were not taken

01:10:39compare

01:10:40fingerprints

01:10:41of that

01:10:42I have to answer you

01:10:43right away

01:10:44it seems strange

01:10:45in the light of common sense

01:10:47profane

01:10:48I have never read

01:10:49we ask Dr. Ormani

01:10:50that you call us

01:10:51and tell us

01:10:51as he did

01:10:52the investigations

01:10:53since it's an addemido

01:10:54that is moved

01:10:54to Dr. Ormani

01:10:55Dr. Ormani tell us

01:10:56the doctor tell us

01:10:58I tell you

01:10:58in his defense

01:11:00Zarelli responds

01:11:01no I don't know

01:11:02I would like to be satisfied

01:11:04of this idea of mine

01:11:06that torments me

01:11:07that makes me hate people

01:11:08we noticed it

01:11:10it's certain

01:11:10but it's not a preconceived hatred

01:11:12ninth

01:11:12it's a born hatred

01:11:13place

01:11:14All right

01:11:15I would like

01:11:15say

01:11:16this point

01:11:18Mr. Augias

01:11:19I

01:11:19I did not intervene

01:11:21in this broadcast

01:11:23to do the process

01:11:24to the various processes

01:11:25Zarelli

01:11:26certainly not

01:11:26none of us

01:11:27this is clear

01:11:28not only

01:11:29I didn't have

01:11:29I would never have had any

01:11:31intentions

01:11:31of this kind

01:11:32secondly

01:11:33I haven't read

01:11:34a line

01:11:35of the processes

01:11:37Zarelli

01:11:37I of the story

01:11:38Zarelli

01:11:39I know

01:11:40only

01:11:40The

01:11:41let me be allowed

01:11:42call it that

01:11:43accusatory level

01:11:45shipped

01:11:46to the Minister of Justice

01:11:48to the president

01:11:48of the republic

01:11:49from which

01:11:50was born

01:11:51a criminal proceeding

01:11:52what was born was born

01:11:53my summons was born

01:11:54we'll see now

01:11:56before the Rome court

01:11:57keep us informed

01:11:58we will go on air

01:11:59don't worry

01:12:00we'll make you come

01:12:01with television

01:12:02Carlo Bernari

01:12:03she wrote

01:12:04a book

01:12:05I would like that

01:12:05in conclusion

01:12:06of this program

01:12:07It's 11.25am

01:12:08we have to close

01:12:09she told us

01:12:10the meaning

01:12:12which derives

01:12:13after his experience

01:12:14also from the program

01:12:15in which he participated

01:12:16this evening

01:12:17well first of all I have to say

01:12:18and I have to congratulate you

01:12:20with her

01:12:20Excuse me

01:12:21I don't want to repeat

01:12:22things that perhaps

01:12:24they arrived

01:12:25also through other ways

01:12:26No

01:12:26I have to convince myself

01:12:28that really

01:12:29from the liveliness

01:12:30of this debate

01:12:31this evening

01:12:32that I had

01:12:35right intuition

01:12:36When

01:12:37in a climate

01:12:38of 230

01:12:40250

01:12:40260

01:12:42crimes

01:12:44per year

01:12:45that were being fulfilled

01:12:47in Naples

01:12:47rises

01:12:49this phenomenon

01:12:50of a

01:12:52triple

01:12:52crime

01:12:53of a massacre

01:12:54with a

01:12:56little dog

01:12:56in the middle of

01:12:57a massacre

01:12:59so singular

01:13:00of which there is no

01:13:01the culprit

01:13:02or at least

01:13:03it takes

01:13:04the first culprit

01:13:05in passing

01:13:06which can be useful

01:13:07and you put it on

01:13:08on the bench

01:13:09of the accused

01:13:10this was

01:13:11my first

01:13:13sensation

01:13:14that has me

01:13:15how to say

01:13:16Done

01:13:19to get closer

01:13:20to this

01:13:20crime

01:13:22this triple

01:13:23crime

01:13:25the second

01:13:26I don't interrupt him

01:13:28the second

01:13:29element

01:13:30And

01:13:31that I

01:13:32I didn't know

01:13:33naturally

01:13:33Zarrelli

01:13:34I didn't know

01:13:35his family

01:13:36I didn't know

01:13:37nothing at all

01:13:38other than that

01:13:39that came out

01:13:40it had come out

01:13:41from the first trial

01:13:43with the conviction

01:13:45to life imprisonment

01:13:46and then

01:13:47I immediately placed myself

01:13:48in the condition

01:13:50of the crime writer

01:13:51professional

01:13:52even if I'm not

01:13:53and if she doesn't admit

01:13:54that I am

01:13:55no because

01:13:55of the crime writer

01:13:57we have a history

01:14:00with the doctor

01:14:02Ravio

01:14:04Meaning what

01:14:05in the condition

01:14:05of not loving

01:14:06but to hate

01:14:07the suspect

01:14:09the culprit

01:14:12at this point

01:14:13naturally

01:14:14my investigation

01:14:16or that one

01:14:17that I have done

01:14:18to mine

01:14:18detective

01:14:19in the novel

01:14:20it's an investigation

01:14:21revolt

01:14:22all against

01:14:23Zarrelli

01:14:24but more

01:14:25this investigation

01:14:25it goes on

01:14:26and the more I discover

01:14:27the impossibility

01:14:29that Zarrelli

01:14:30as far as

01:14:31me in the novel

01:14:32I judge it

01:14:33a sailor

01:14:34Norwegian

01:14:35for its size

01:14:37for those things

01:14:38that came to me

01:14:38show

01:14:39from the photographs

01:14:40of the newspapers

01:14:41could be

01:14:42alone

01:14:43the real culprit

01:14:45he who

01:14:46kill three people

01:14:47one after the other

01:14:48he puts them in a bath

01:14:51cleans

01:14:52the knife

01:14:53then he also leaves

01:14:54of the footprints

01:14:55on the windowsill

01:14:57of the window

01:14:58etc.

01:14:58Bernari I have to close

01:14:59there's one minute left

01:15:00the transmission

01:15:02this evening

01:15:03the debate

01:15:04this evening

01:15:05how does it come out?

01:15:06what effect

01:15:07he did it to her

01:15:08well anyway

01:15:10I say that

01:15:11this appendix

01:15:12of the complaint

01:15:13Between

01:15:13the lawyer

01:15:15Ormanni

01:15:15in defense

01:15:16of the brother

01:15:17advisor

01:15:18Ormanni

01:15:19and the lawyer

01:15:20Zarrelli

01:15:21he has me

01:15:22a bit

01:15:24troubled

01:15:25I have to tell the truth

01:15:26While

01:15:26all the others

01:15:28elements

01:15:28compositional

01:15:29they bring

01:15:30that to the

01:15:32solution

01:15:32by Zarrelli

01:15:33it is fully

01:15:34deserved

01:15:35and also

01:15:36meditated

01:15:37the position

01:15:39of these two

01:15:40let's say

01:15:40wings

01:15:41let's call them that

01:15:42even if they are wings

01:15:44hairpin bends

01:15:44how do you say

01:15:45in sporting terms

01:15:46these two wings

01:15:47I'm a little

01:15:49a disturbance

01:15:50in the element

01:15:51general

01:15:51Meaning what

01:15:52he's right

01:15:53Ormanni

01:15:54he's right

01:15:54Zarrelli

01:15:55on these elements

01:15:57I don't want to express my opinion

01:15:58of course

01:15:59there are

01:15:59of the elements

01:16:00of doubts

01:16:01at least

01:16:05about the episode

01:16:07Turri

01:16:08which

01:16:09not only

01:16:10he's not coming

01:16:11under investigation

01:16:12all the way

01:16:12for his

01:16:14possible

01:16:15interference

01:16:16in the crime

01:16:17but he doesn't come

01:16:18not even

01:16:21interrogated

01:16:22but like a captain

01:16:23of the Carabinieri

01:16:23go to interview him

01:16:24to prison

01:16:25from Reggio Calabria

01:16:26and this is refused

01:16:27to answer

01:16:27to the captain

01:16:28of the Carabinieri

01:16:29and a magistrate

01:16:30closes the cards

01:16:30and says

01:16:31alright

01:16:31I'm fine with it like this

01:16:32this is the only one

01:16:34it's a point

01:16:35Domenico Zarrelli

01:16:36she was the protagonist

01:16:37of this evening

01:16:38in the good

01:16:39and in evil

01:16:41not because it is

01:16:42the day before Christmas Eve

01:16:43but after that

01:16:44who said

01:16:45Lawyer Ormanni

01:16:46he doesn't think that

01:16:46this one of yours

01:16:47additional cherella

01:16:49it could be closed

01:16:51look

01:16:51I am sorry

01:16:52just one thing

01:16:53the doctor

01:16:54Ormanni Rite

01:16:55should know

01:16:55I am five years old

01:16:56that I am called

01:16:58on television

01:16:59various and sundry interventions

01:17:00I have never

01:17:02spoken publicly

01:17:03against the doctor

01:17:04Ormanni Rite

01:17:04because I was hurting

01:17:05more than conduct

01:17:06of the investigating judge

01:17:09which he took after

01:17:10in hand

01:17:10because for me

01:17:11the style audience

01:17:12must prove the accusation

01:17:13and the judge

01:17:13who must judge

01:17:16making a response

01:17:17written

01:17:18not public

01:17:19as directly

01:17:20to the minister

01:17:20of grace and justice

01:17:21and to the president

01:17:22of the erubium

01:17:23I thought I was being quoted

01:17:23my right

01:17:24to see

01:17:24if it was right

01:17:25what I had suffered

01:17:26or not

01:17:27if they had done

01:17:28the right things

01:17:29towards me

01:17:29or not

01:17:30Enough

01:17:31nothing else

01:17:32and here

01:17:34Yes

01:17:34half

01:17:34this answered

01:17:35was

01:17:36at the same time

01:17:38sent to the minister

01:17:39of grace and justice

01:17:40but also to the directors

01:17:41real newspapers

01:17:41Neapolitans

01:17:42so much so that

01:17:44was

01:17:45Before

01:17:46made known

01:17:47from Stagna

01:17:48and subsequently

01:17:49it has arrived

01:17:50to the official

01:17:51knowledge

01:17:51of Mr.

01:17:52president

01:17:52of the republic

01:17:53and of Mr.

01:17:54minister

01:17:55of justice

01:17:56as a historical fact

01:17:57Thank you

01:17:58as a historical fact

01:17:59Thank you

01:18:00Zarrelli

01:18:01we're closing

01:18:02It's 11.30pm

01:18:03let's end here

01:18:04with a formula

01:18:06which unfortunately

01:18:07I already had to use

01:18:08in the past

01:18:09this murderer too

01:18:11turn

01:18:11free

01:18:12for Naples

01:18:13Thank you

01:18:14Merry Christmas

01:18:27Thank you

01:19:06Thank you

01:19:26Thank you

01:20:05Thank you

01:20:26Thank you

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