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00:03In every society, in every country and in every era there are dark corners that catch the eye, blind spots.
00:10and shadowy areas where everyday light doesn't reach.
00:15Especially for those societies, those eras, those countries that consider themselves healthier, happier and more innocent and that precisely
00:22those shadowy areas they have decided to ignore,
00:25by establishing a boundary beyond which it is no longer permissible, it is no longer advisable to look.
00:34And yet it is precisely there that the nightmares that disturb the sleep of the most innocent childhood nest.
00:42Every era, every place, even Italy, has its nightmare, its serial killer.
01:10There is a strange place in the minds of men.
01:13It must be a forest, a thick and dark forest like the ones in fairy tales that scare children, the forests
01:18of the orcs.
01:20Or is it a cave, that of primitive men, because it is there, in that part of the head of men of the same sex
01:26male,
01:27that the primitive and bestial instinct still survives, that the male has more rights than the female,
01:32because he is stronger, meaner or simply because he is male.
01:58I couldn't stand being beaten anymore.
02:01Every slap I got from a man I relived all the ones I got from my father.
02:12The TV is on, sounds, voices and music arrive confused and out of tune,
02:17overlapped by a nervous zapping, jumping from one channel to another.
02:22Saturday evening in summer, Saturday 1st August, variety shows, films and games.
02:37For her, who is in the kitchen washing dishes, it's just screams.
02:41Screams of surprise and screams of joy, screams of terror.
02:44A single, large ball of sound, where even the music screams.
02:50Just before, at dinner, he and she had their usual argument.
02:54Any reason, one of many.
02:56The eldest son, the one she had with her previous husband
02:59and that he doesn't want to stay at home with them.
03:01And in fact, he left two months earlier.
03:03Or, because she works and he doesn't want to.
03:06Because a woman who works then feels too independent,
03:09too enterprising and then ends up, he says, cheating on her husband.
03:13In short, any reason.
03:36This time it didn't end in a fight.
03:39Other times, yes.
03:40He broke two of her teeth and also damaged her eardrum.
03:42And two years earlier she had also reported him to the police.
03:45But then, as often happens in these cases,
03:47he had withdrawn the complaint to save the relationship.
03:52But that time, no beatings.
03:55Only screams and words.
03:56And then silence.
03:58They sat at the table eating without speaking.
04:01With the girls, one on each side.
04:03Then he went to watch television.
04:05A program mixed with that other one.
04:08Saturday night, variety shows, movies and games.
04:10Scream, scream, scream.
04:20He went to sleep around half past ten, without saying anything.
04:24And then she put the girls to bed,
04:26she sat on the sofa and started watching TV.
04:29She too is jumping from one program to another,
04:31without following any one, in particular.
04:33The end of games and movies.
04:35So, what happened?
04:37Around midnight, she got up from the couch
04:40and tiptoed to the bedroom
04:43to watch him sleep, or rather, to hear him breathing heavily in the dark.
05:11Because I put up with it, I put up with it.
05:16Until they did something intolerable to me that made me explode.
05:26The next day is August 2nd, August 2nd, 1998.
05:31It's Sunday and it's almost 4pm
05:34when at the operations room of the Stradella Carabinieri company
05:37a call comes in for 112.
05:42The deputy sergeant on duty at the switchboard answers.
05:45It's a female voice, the voice of an adult woman.
05:59The vice-brigadier understands that this is not a joke.
06:02and he also feels that the woman is very agitated
06:04so he asks her if there is anyone else in the house with her.
06:07Yes, there are his two daughters aged 5 and 8.
06:10and you can talk to one of them
06:12just to accept that they are well?
06:14Yes, the woman goes to call the eldest
06:18who is watching television.
06:19A few moments of waiting and then here it is
06:22with her childish voice.
06:25Rocco?
06:27But dad went out, he didn't come back.
06:30The vice-brigadier speaks again with the woman
06:33and he asks where it is, in Broni
06:35a village near Stradella
06:36always in the province of Pavia.
06:38And meanwhile a car leaves with inside
06:40a marshal and a corporal
06:42and they also notify those at Stradella station
06:44let them send someone to see what happened.
07:04The vice-brigadier speaks.
07:06Listen to the woman who tells him
07:07which remained for a while
07:08to hear her husband sleeping.
07:10he was breathing heavily in the dark.
07:11Then she went over there
07:13he took a piece of roller shutter cord
07:15and tied it around her ankles.
07:17Then he slipped it around her wrists
07:19a couple of laps
07:20and then around the head.
07:28She stayed there for a while to watch him
07:30sitting on the edge of the bed.
07:31Then it scared her
07:33he didn't want the girls to see it.
07:35So he wrapped it in black bags
07:36some garbage and dragged him out
07:39on the bedroom terrace
07:40and covered it with a carpet
07:42thrown on the balustrade
07:44as if it were a hut
07:45so that they wouldn't see it from outside.
07:48In the meantime
07:49while the woman is talking
07:50with the vice-brigadier
07:51the carabinieri have arrived
07:53which confirm what he is saying.
07:55Yes, it's not a delusional fantasy.
07:57That woman killed her husband.
08:01Because I tolerated
08:04I was putting up with it
08:06until they did something to me
08:07of intolerable
08:08that made me explode.
08:17Quaglini Milena
08:1841 years old
08:19born in Mezzanine
08:20in the province of Pavia
08:21and resident in Broni
08:22married with three children
08:24accused of murder
08:25towards her husband
08:26Mario Sheets
08:2752 years old
08:28born in Comacchio
08:29in the province of Ferrara
08:30Article 577
08:32of the penal code
08:34last chapter.
08:37To the Carabinieri
08:39who question her
08:39and to the magistrate
08:40who coordinates the investigations
08:42it seems like a story
08:42very simple.
08:44Mario
08:44he's a handsome man
08:45distinct
08:46who is a truck driver
08:47for a construction company.
08:49Milena
08:49a woman
08:50cute and petite
08:51very reserved
08:52and very sensitive
08:53with passion
08:54for painting.
09:01Nature and Death
09:02landscapes
09:03views of Broni
09:04in watercolor
09:05in oil
09:06or charcoal
09:07two little daughters
09:08plus one over 18
09:09which comes from a previous one
09:11Milena's wedding
09:12a normal family
09:13at least on the surface.
09:22and instead
09:23Mario and Milena
09:24they argue
09:25and often
09:26and every now and then
09:26he raises his hands.
09:28Milena drinks
09:29he drinks a lot
09:30and some mornings
09:31when he gets up
09:31he can't do anything
09:32not even to get coffee
09:33until he drinks
09:34two glasses of brandy
09:36one after the other
09:37and then he succeeds
09:38to send the girls
09:39at school
09:39to do the housework.
09:41He suffers from depressive crises
09:42Milena
09:43is followed by the CERT
09:44and also takes
09:45antidepressants.
09:53A normal family
09:54of those
09:55that hide
09:56such tensions
09:57to make them explode
09:58suddenly
09:58like a bomb
09:59and what Milena
10:00tell the magistrate
10:02and to the carabinieri
10:02that's exactly it
10:03a bomb explosion.
10:05She
10:05so tiny
10:06what a fight
10:07with her husband
10:08in the bedroom
10:09hits him on the head
10:10with a bajur
10:10that is on the bedside table
10:11then with a box set
10:13wooden
10:13which is on a chest of drawers
10:14and then it attacks
10:16that rope
10:16that he held tight
10:17around the throat
10:18the arm
10:18twisted
10:19around the ribbon
10:20and a foot on the neck
10:21and pulls with all his might
10:23until it kills him.
10:31happens
10:31Usually
10:32he is the one who kills her
10:33but this time
10:34it's the opposite
10:35Article 577
10:37of the penal code
10:38last chapter
10:39homocide
10:40with the aggravating circumstance
10:41of the marital bond
10:42uxoricide
10:48and in fact
10:49the process
10:50they ran
10:51abbreviated
10:51and despite
10:52you keep repeating
10:53that he didn't want to do it
10:54he didn't want to kill Mario
10:55he lost his mind
10:56it exploded
10:57like a bomb
10:58and it happened
10:59but she didn't want to
11:00the investigating judge
11:01of the court
11:01from Voghera
11:02the sentence
11:02at 14 years old
11:03of imprisonment
11:08Milena has a good
11:09lawyer from Milan
11:10the lawyer Licia Sardo
11:11who appeals
11:13and in the meantime
11:13he has it sent
11:14under house arrest
11:15first at
11:17a community
11:17recovery
11:18for alcoholics
11:19from which however
11:20she is sent away
11:20why he started drinking again
11:21then at the house
11:23of a friend
11:24with which however
11:25he has problems
11:26Milena must find herself
11:27another accommodation
11:28and so
11:29place an ad
11:30in the newspaper
11:30and through that
11:32find a gentleman
11:33by Bascapelli
11:34Angelo Porrello
11:35who can rent them
11:36a room
11:37with kitchen
11:37and bathroom
11:38a simple case
11:40In short
11:40but it's not like that
11:41the story of Milena Quaglini
11:43accused of uxoricide
11:45awaiting trial
11:46of appeal
11:46it's not at all
11:47a similar story
11:54and then
11:54when it clicked on me
11:55that reaction inside
11:56I felt a tremendous strength coming over me
11:59uncontrollable
12:01and I couldn't stop
12:03until
12:04they were no longer breathing
12:07I can't measure
12:08my strength
12:08in terrible moments
12:11maybe my strength
12:12increases
12:24there is a manure pile
12:26in the garden
12:26of a small villa
12:27semi-detached house
12:28in Bascapè
12:29in the province of Pavia
12:33it's a small one
12:34rectangular beret
12:35brick
12:36closed by a lid
12:37of sheet metal
12:38and stays at home
12:39of a man
12:3953 years old
12:40Angelo Porrello
12:41he's a turner
12:43Here you are
12:43it's been a couple of years
12:44of weeks
12:45what an Angel
12:46he disappeared
12:49he had disappeared
12:50October 6th
12:51of 1999
12:52she had noticed it
12:53the daughter
12:54who had an appointment
12:55with him
12:55to talk
12:56of family business
12:57but he
12:57he didn't show up
12:58the daughter
13:00he had called him
13:00on cell phone
13:01he had called him
13:02even the ex-wife
13:03that had gone
13:04to look for him at home
13:05but at home
13:05there wasn't
13:06then they had done
13:07the complaint
13:08at the station
13:09of the carabinieri
13:10of San Nazaro
13:10a nearby country
13:11and since they continued
13:13not to find it
13:14they had gone
13:15to look for him at home
13:15beating her palm
13:17after palm
13:17and then
13:18they had gone to the garden
13:19and they had arrived
13:20up to that manure heap
13:21they had lifted the lid
13:23and there
13:24they had found it
13:25naked
13:25curled up like a fetus
13:27in very advanced
13:28state of decomposition
13:30what happened?
13:59It's not easy to say
14:01after 15 days
14:02passed through there
14:03and not even at home
14:04there are particular signs
14:05signs of struggle
14:06Everything is fine
14:07not even the tenants
14:08who live
14:09downstairs
14:09of the villa
14:10they saw
14:11I heard nothing
14:18but something
14:19it must have happened
14:20why in that manure heap
14:22Angel
14:23someone put it there
14:24and first
14:24probably
14:25he killed him
14:26and all this
14:27at night
14:28in silence
14:29and without a fight
14:36the investigations
14:37of the carabinieri
14:38they bring out
14:39immediately a particular
14:40which concerns
14:40Angelo's past
14:41a bad past
14:43Porrello
14:44he had been in prison
14:45for sexual assault
14:46on minors
14:47an event that happened
14:48in 91
14:48for which
14:49he had been sentenced
14:50at 6 years old
14:51of imprisonment
15:00it had come out the year before
15:02he's not an easy guy
15:03Porrello
15:04and the carabinieri
15:05it comes to mind
15:05that maybe someone
15:06he wanted to do it to her
15:07to pay for something
15:08some other violence
15:09put it in that manure heap
15:11as well as to hide
15:12the body
15:13it almost seems like
15:14a gesture of contempt
15:20but then the police
15:22they find something strange
15:24letters
15:24two letters
15:26sent to Angelo Porrello
15:27in the days
15:28of his disappearance
15:29the interesting thing
15:30but it's the sender
15:31who sent them to him
15:32Milena
15:33Milena Quaglini
15:35but it wasn't that one
15:36who was under house arrest
15:38for killing her husband
15:4253 years old
15:44divorced
15:44dynamic
15:45slender
15:46own home
15:47looking for company
15:48pleasant
15:48max forty years old
15:49for friendship
15:50and coexistence
15:51then we'll see
15:59Milena had noticed
16:00an announcement
16:01in the weekly
16:02word of mouth
16:0253 years old
16:04divorced
16:04dynamic
16:05etc. etc.
16:05and so
16:06had made contact
16:08with the gentleman
16:08Angelo Porrello
16:09who had accepted
16:10to rent her a room
16:11in exchange for jobs
16:12domestic
16:13Milena
16:14he was just waiting
16:15the authorization
16:16upon change of residence
16:17from the magistrate
16:18and in the meantime
16:19had brought there
16:20a little of his stuff
16:27but then
16:28he was gone
16:30so she
16:31he had written to him
16:31two letters
16:32one on October 7th
16:33and one o'clock
16:34October 11th
16:34of 1999
16:38Mr. Angelo
16:39I'm looking for it
16:40for several days
16:41I can't find her
16:42I have from her
16:43various personal items
16:45Please
16:45make yourself heard
16:58a good guy
16:59Angelo Porrello
17:00always kind
17:01and always correct
17:02he will have seen it
17:03if not three times
17:04he didn't even know
17:05who was dead
17:07but there is something
17:07that doesn't come back
17:08because until
17:09from the beginning of October
17:10they see them together
17:11Milena and Angelo
17:13enter his house
17:14they see them in the garden
17:15he holds them by one arm
17:16on the shoulder
17:17they see them walking around
17:19with his car
17:20a white regatta
17:21and it's there
17:22who see them
17:22around 10.30
17:23in the morning
17:24of October 5th
17:25and shortly after
17:26he disappears
17:27Angelo then
17:28he had told his daughter
17:29that he had known
17:30a woman
17:31in his 40s
17:32with which
17:32he wanted to move in together
17:34a woman
17:35named Milena
17:40meanwhile
17:41the carabinieri
17:41of the provincial command
17:42from Pavia
17:43they found
17:44five packs
17:45empty
17:45of medicines
17:46in a garbage can
17:47at Angelo's house
17:47carefully wrapped
17:49in tin foil
17:50they are boxes
17:51of tranquilizers
17:52and psychotropic drugs
17:53the same
17:54that are found
17:55even at Milena's house
17:56in Bressana
18:01Then
18:02they are found
18:03some hair
18:04in Angelo's bed
18:05and some hairs
18:06in a panty liner
18:07which is found
18:08in the garbage
18:08everything is collected
18:10from the police
18:11and sent to the laboratory
18:12for DNA testing
18:14clues
18:15just clues
18:16that make you think
18:17in the presence
18:18of a woman
18:18and that this woman
18:19both Milena
18:20Perhaps
18:21but then
18:22jump out
18:22one more thing
18:23a strange thing
18:45let's go back
18:46a few years old
18:46It's 1995
18:48Milena
18:49it is temporarily
18:50separate
18:51from her husband
18:51the second
18:52Mario Fogli
18:53and lives in the east
18:54in the province of Padua
18:56works as a janitor
18:57in a gym
18:58and in the meantime
18:59he does the cleaning
19:00at a gentleman's house
19:0083 years old
19:02Mr. Right
19:03of the Pozza
19:03one day
19:05October 27th
19:06a Friday
19:07Milena
19:07he goes to Mr. Giusto's house
19:09in the late afternoon
19:10to prepare him
19:11to eat
19:11finds
19:12the door ajar
19:13with the keys
19:14inserted into the lock
19:15he opens it
19:16the light is off
19:17but when he turns it on
19:18he notices
19:19that the floor
19:20it's covered
19:21of congealed blood
19:30there is a light
19:31that comes
19:31from the bedroom
19:32the light
19:33of a bajur
19:34and then
19:34Milena
19:35go and see
19:35and find Mr. Right
19:37lying on the ground
19:37under the bedside table
19:38overturned
19:50Milena
19:50call 113
19:51Mr. Right
19:52he is taken to the hospital
19:54but there's nothing to be done
19:55remains in a coma
19:56about ten days
19:57for a series of fractures
19:58to the head
19:59and then
20:00he dies
20:01Milena
20:01tells
20:02that two days before
20:03October 25th
20:04it had happened
20:05something similar
20:06he had found
20:07Mr. Right
20:08lying on the ground
20:09half-conscious
20:10with a wound
20:11to the head
20:11him
20:12he had told her
20:13that had been
20:13two of his friends
20:14to whom he had lent
20:15some money
20:16the investigations
20:17they had oriented themselves
20:18on the hypothesis
20:19of a round of loans
20:20to wear and tear
20:21but they had achieved nothing
20:22and the thing
20:23it ended there
20:24but now
20:25with all that
20:26what happened
20:27things
20:28they are a little different
20:36Milena
20:36kills her husband
20:37Mario Fogli
20:38August 1st
20:391998
20:40and makes one
20:41he's about to go
20:42to live
20:43at a gentleman's house
20:43who is killed
20:44Angelo Porrello
20:45October 6th
20:461999
20:47and that makes two
20:48and a few years
20:49Before
20:50had discovered
20:50the body
20:51of another gentleman
20:52who had been killed
20:53Mr. Right
20:54October 27
20:551995
20:56and that makes three
21:01three coincidences
21:02there are too many
21:03Usually
21:04who investigates
21:04tends not to believe it
21:05own
21:06to coincidences
21:07let alone three
21:08so Milena
21:09is being investigated
21:10for murder
21:14locked up
21:14in prison
21:15from Vigevano
21:15always assisted
21:16from the lawyer Sardo
21:17to whom he said
21:18to feel at ease
21:19because she
21:20with those deaths
21:21it has nothing to do with it
21:21Milena
21:22she is questioned
21:23from the magistrate
21:24for four hours
21:25during which
21:26keep repeating
21:27that she
21:27he doesn't know
21:27Nothing
21:28it has nothing to do with it
21:29it is completely
21:30innocent
21:30I don't know anything
21:31I have nothing to do with it
21:33I am completely
21:35innocent
21:46Then
21:47suddenly
21:48collapses
21:49and confesses
21:55there's always TV
21:57lit
21:58at lunchtime
21:59at Angelo's house
22:00in the apartment
22:01downstairs
22:01in the villas
22:02of the neighbors
22:03when you eat
22:04it doesn't change
22:05channel so often
22:06like the evening
22:07and the programs
22:07I'm not like that
22:08kneaded
22:09but the music
22:10and the voices
22:10they arrive
22:11the same
22:11confused
22:12distorted
22:13like a background
22:15Angel
22:16and Milena
22:16they are eating
22:17in his villa
22:18in Bascapè
22:19dry pasta
22:21with tomato sauce
22:22it's at this point
22:23that Milena tells
22:24that something would happen
22:26that had never happened before
22:27not like that at least
22:28Milena says
22:30what an Angel
22:30he would have tried
22:37she's not there
22:38he doesn't want to
22:39but he insists
22:40brutally
22:40Milena
22:41he says he puts them on
22:42hands on you
22:43try to drag her
22:44towards the bedroom
22:45he wants you to wear
22:46a petticoat
22:47she refuses
22:48and then he
22:49he beats her
22:49Milena
22:50he says he pulls them
22:51a slap
22:52she tries to push him away
22:54and then he
22:54he throws another one at him
22:55in the face
23:03I couldn't take it anymore
23:04of being beaten
23:06every slap
23:07that I took
23:08from a man
23:08I was reliving
23:09all of those
23:09taken from my father
23:15At that time
23:15she gave up
23:16he dragged her
23:18in the bedroom
23:19and Milena
23:19tells
23:20that they had
23:20a sexual relationship
23:22he says that he
23:23he would have wanted it
23:24a second
23:24but she
23:25she succeeded
23:26to hold him back
23:26and to move away
23:27with the excuse
23:28to make a coffee
23:33Why
23:34she had come
23:35an idea
23:35he did it
23:36the coffee
23:37but in the cup
23:38he untied us
23:39even ten pills
23:40by Alchon
23:41a whole blister
23:42plus other pills
23:43by Tripticon
23:44almost as many
23:45and to mask
23:46the flavor
23:46he put us
23:47three teaspoons
23:48of sugar
23:48why coffee
23:49Angel
23:50he takes it very sweetly
23:55as soon as he arrived
23:57he gave him the coffee
23:57and looked at him
23:59while he was drinking it
23:59sitting on the sofa
24:00at a certain point
24:02Angelo had noticed
24:03that there was something
24:03of strange
24:04in that cafe
24:05but now
24:05it was too late
24:07collapses
24:07between the living room
24:09and the bathroom
24:09unconscious
24:15come back after an hour
24:16around 5:30
24:17Angel
24:18it's still in the tub
24:19and it's very clear
24:20who is dead
24:22At that time
24:22keep thinking about it
24:23for another hour
24:24then he takes it
24:25and drags him out
24:27in the garden
24:27It's 6pm
24:29October evening
24:30it's already dark
24:30he puts it in
24:32the manure heap
24:32and closes the lid
24:33he says he didn't want to
24:35kill him
24:36he says he wanted
24:37just stun him
24:38to get rid of it
24:41then a pill
24:42after the other
24:43I let myself go
24:45and it ended like this
24:53Yes
24:54things get complicated
24:56because for the first murder
24:57Mario's
24:58the husband
24:59there was an explanation
25:00simple enough
25:01but then Milena
25:02he's making a second one
25:03a short time later
25:04could still
25:05be a coincidence
25:06but in the meantime
25:07something happens
25:09a few days later
25:10during the interrogation
25:11Milena
25:12confesses to another murder
25:19I met
25:20the one of the puddle
25:21in an ice cream shop
25:22under my house
25:23to the east
25:23at the end
25:24of the summer
25:25of 95
25:27at that time
25:28my husband
25:28he had abandoned me
25:29with my three children
25:30and I poured
25:30in precarious conditions
25:36economic
25:36Milena is alone
25:38temporarily
25:39separated from her husband
25:40and the righteous gentleman
25:41he is a friendly man
25:42and kind
25:43and also very generous
25:44she can't do it
25:46to raise three children
25:47only with the 700 thousand lire
25:49per month
25:50which he receives as a salary
25:51to be a janitor
25:52in the municipal gym
25:53so the righteous gentleman
25:55he hires her as a housekeeper
25:56to clean it for him
25:57at home
25:57and not only
25:58he also lends them
25:594 million lire
26:01that by then
26:02we are in 1995
26:03that's a lot of money
26:05but it doesn't matter
26:06Mr. Right
26:07he has the money
26:08and then
26:09she will give them back to him
26:10little by little
26:11with his work
26:12an angel
26:13Mr. Right
26:14but then things happen
26:16suddenly
26:17they change
26:22Milena tells
26:23that October 27th
26:24of 1995
26:25while he's doing
26:27the cleaning
26:27at Mr. Right's house
26:28he had entered
26:30in the kitchen
26:31and he had taken it
26:32for an arm
26:32and he pulled it
26:33towards the room
26:33from bed
26:34and Milena
26:35he understood immediately
26:36what he wanted from her
26:37he told me
26:38what do you think?
26:39that he gave you
26:40money to make
26:41you're stupid
26:42you didn't understand anything
26:43and other phrases
26:45of the genre
27:00then I shod
27:01a basur
27:02which was located
27:02on the bedside table
27:04and I hit him
27:05with the base
27:05supporting
27:06to the head
27:07from the puddle
27:08he started
27:09to stagger
27:09towards balance
27:10it fell
27:11on the ground
27:11heavily
27:15then Milena
27:16she went home
27:17to wash
27:18she went to the gym
27:19to work
27:20and around half past six
27:21she came back home
27:22of the righteous Mr.
27:23and he pretended
27:24to have found it
27:25at that moment
27:26with the head
27:27split
27:27from who knows who
27:28three crimes
27:29that of the righteous gentleman
27:31the first
27:32in October 1995
27:34Then
27:35that of the husband
27:36Mario Fogli
27:37in August 1998
27:39and then
27:40that of Angelo Porrello
27:41in October
27:42of 1999
27:43because I tolerated
27:56I was putting up with it
27:57until they made me
27:59something intolerable
28:00that made me explode
28:09and then
28:10when it clicked on me
28:10that reaction inside
28:12I felt a tremendous strength coming over me
28:13uncontrollable
28:15and I couldn't stop
28:18until
28:19they were no longer breathing
28:23three crimes
28:24with similar victims
28:26and motivations
28:27almost identical
28:29I can't measure
28:31my strength
28:31in those terrible moments
28:34maybe my strength
28:35increases
28:39there is a term
28:40in the judicial field
28:41and criminological
28:42to define
28:43a case like this
28:44murderer
28:45serial
28:46serial killer
28:47and this
28:48Milena Quaglini
28:49a serial killer
28:53I'm not a murderer
28:54because I don't realize
28:55to kill
29:00Professor Mario Montero
29:02he is a specialist
29:03of psychiatry
29:04and forensic psychopathology
29:06and teaches
29:07at the university
29:07of Milan
29:08meet Milena
29:10when he is in prison
29:10accused of three murders
29:12and he does it on behalf
29:13of the lawyer
29:14he says to Sardo
29:15which continued
29:16to defend Milena
29:17and who asked
29:17to the professor
29:18a consultancy
29:19in sight
29:20of the upcoming trial
29:26despite it all
29:27what is attributed to her
29:28even though he killed
29:29three men
29:30and even with a brutality
29:31and a cruelty
29:32from the end of horror
29:33Milena is a woman
29:35calm and kind
29:36who speaks politely
29:37courtesy
29:38pleasant and sensitive
29:40like when he paints
29:41his landscapes
29:41in watercolor
29:42and that's how it is
29:43which is easier
29:44imagine it
29:45also in the section
29:46maximum security
29:47of the women's prison
29:48from Vigeva
29:52he talks about everything
29:53with Professor Mantero
29:54Milena
29:55but about one thing
29:56he has difficulty speaking
29:57of his childhood
30:05it wasn't mine
30:07an easy life
30:09I have good impressions
30:10in the mind
30:11the moments
30:11of my childhood
30:12that have marked me
30:14indelibly
30:16next to a father
30:17alcoholic
30:17and violent
30:19he was jealous
30:20obsessive
30:21with my mother
30:21and violent
30:23with all of us
30:25he was an alcoholic
30:26and when he drank
30:27he beat us
30:28systematically
30:38it's not easy
30:39for Milena
30:40talk about when
30:41she was a child
30:41when he remembers
30:43that period
30:43with Professor Mantero
30:45defines it
30:46a prison
30:47a prison
30:47without happiness
30:48from which it is freed
30:50only
30:50when he knows
30:51her first husband
30:52the father
30:53of his male child
30:54the biggest one
30:55the man
30:56of his life
30:57he says
30:57but then
30:59he gets sick
31:00and dies
31:00and Milena
31:01she's left alone
31:02with that little son
31:04until he meets
31:05that other man
31:06Mario
31:06Mario Foglio
31:07her second husband
31:08Mario though
31:09says Milena
31:10to Professor Mantero
31:11he's like his father
31:12aggressive
31:13possessive
31:14even violent
31:16drinks
31:16and when it subriaca
31:17it's unbearable
31:18screams
31:19he is jealous
31:20and beats her
31:21Also
31:33there is a strange place
31:35in the minds of men
31:37it must be a forest
31:38a thick, dark forest
31:39like the one in fairy tales
31:40that scare children
31:42the orcs' woods
31:43or it's a cave
31:45that of primitive men
31:47why is it there
31:48in that part
31:49of the head
31:49of men
31:50male
31:51which still survives
31:52the primitive instinct
31:53and bestial
31:53that the male
31:54have more rights
31:55of the female
31:56because it is stronger
31:57more evil
31:58or just
31:58because he is male
32:12the right to own it
32:13the right to impose them
32:15what he wants
32:16even if she doesn't want to
32:17to follow her
32:19haunt her
32:19and even kill her
32:20if she leaves him
32:21if he doesn't get dressed
32:22as he wants
32:23if he doesn't marry
32:23whoever he wants
32:24it's a place
32:25that has always existed
32:27in every period
32:28and in every society
32:29those too
32:30who believe themselves
32:30the most advanced
32:31it's from there
32:33from that forest
32:34and from that cave
32:35that the ghosts are coming
32:36who haunt Milena
32:48because I was fed up
32:49of those acts of violence
32:51because I'm rotten
32:54because it's a life
32:55let it continue like this
32:56because when someone
32:57reacts badly
32:58I react worse
32:59because I'm tired
33:01from the family fights
33:03to those of her husband
33:04to those of the people
33:06that I don't even know
33:07Enough
33:08Enough
33:09Enough
33:19when it doesn't explode
33:21until it becomes
33:21a fury
33:22Milena
33:22he is weak
33:23and in fact
33:24Mario doesn't leave him
33:25as often happens
33:27in these cases
33:28they separate
33:29and then they recover
33:30and every time
33:31it's always worse
33:50Milena
33:51start drinking
33:51when he waits
33:52the second daughter
33:53first every now and then
33:54and then more and more
33:55until it becomes
33:56she's an alcoholic too
33:57he also attempts suicide
33:58several times
33:59cutting his wrists
34:00and taking medications
34:01so that it often ends
34:03to the emergency room
34:18I'm ninth
34:19months of pregnancy
34:21after a fit of verbiage
34:22with my husband
34:23I went to the bathroom
34:25I took
34:25five tablets
34:26of sleeping pills
34:28then with a razor blade
34:30I cut myself
34:30the veins of the wrists
34:32I covered myself
34:33the wrists
34:34with a shoo-in
34:35and I went back to bed
34:37I woke up
34:38in the hospital
34:45when it explodes
34:46the first time
34:47kills Mr. Giusto
34:48then it explodes
34:49the second
34:50and kills Mario
34:51her husband
34:51and ends up in prison
34:53for use and recidivism
34:53manages to obtain
34:55house arrest
34:56awaiting trial
34:57but he doesn't know where to go
34:58nobody wants it
35:00the mother
35:01he kicks her out of the house
35:02they throw her out
35:04even from a religious community
35:05why does he keep drinking
35:06he gets himself admitted to hospital
35:08in a recovery foundation
35:09but ends up in hospital
35:10for a coma
35:11of unspecified nature
35:12he goes to live with a friend
35:14but there too
35:14there are problems
35:15and when he meets
35:16Mr. Angelo
35:17it explodes for the third time
35:18kills him
35:19is discovered
35:20and ends up in prison again
35:27they take care of it
35:28with antidepressant therapy
35:29and when Professor Mantero
35:31go talk to her
35:32he finds it quite calm
35:34he doesn't drink anymore
35:35he works in prison
35:36and that's that person
35:37pleasant
35:37sensitive
35:38what is expected
35:39that it is
35:40to look at her
35:40without knowing what he did
35:44but there are some things
35:46which he always does
35:47struggles to speak
35:48of his crimes
35:49for example
35:50not that Milena tries to hide them
35:52On the contrary
35:52he always confessed everything
35:54with great abundance
35:55of details
35:56but he did it
35:57in a strange way
35:57she is not sorry
35:59she's sorry
36:00for example
36:01for Mario
36:02her husband
36:03she's sorry
36:04to have taken away
36:05the father
36:06to his daughters
36:06but when he talks about it
36:08he does it with great rationality
36:10and with little critical sense
36:12as if really
36:13had happened
36:13to someone else
36:14and she
36:15he only had it
36:16read in the newspapers
36:26with regard to
36:27the process
36:28and criminal responsibilities
36:29since it's about this
36:30what is it about
36:31the expertise
36:32by Professor Mantero
36:33he says it clearly
36:34when he turned
36:35his crimes
36:36Milena
36:37it was absolutely not
36:38able
36:39to understand
36:39and to want
36:43very often
36:44the crimes
36:45more atrocious
36:45they are born
36:46for a lifetime
36:46devoid of love
36:48and from a dignity
36:49too many times
36:50trampled
36:52there is no one
36:53here to help me
36:54to free myself
36:54of the weight
36:54that I have inside
36:56and most of the time
36:57I can't even
36:58to speak
36:58of that
36:58what happened
37:01as if everything
37:02belonged
37:02to another Milena
37:14Professor Gianluigi Ponti
37:17he is a teacher
37:18of psychopathology
37:18forensic
37:19and criminology
37:20at the university
37:21of Milan
37:22meet Milena
37:23in May 2000
37:24on behalf
37:25of the court
37:26and finds it
37:27well-groomed
37:28in clothing
37:29and in the person
37:29shiny
37:30well-informed
37:31and normally oriented
37:33very helpful
37:34says the professor
37:35to speak
37:36of his life
37:36and also
37:37of the three crimes
37:38with an eloquence
37:39very complex
37:40rich
37:41and if anything
37:42too exuberant
37:43but
37:44at a certain point
37:46just as
37:47he's telling
37:47the details
37:48of the killing
37:49by Mario
37:49the fight
37:50the rope
37:51foot on the neck
37:52suddenly
37:53he gets distracted
37:54and for a casual
37:55association of ideas
37:56start talking
37:57of that
37:57who is painting
38:11the professor
38:12Bridges
38:12he finds her serene
38:13he made friends
38:14in prison
38:15he is doing well
38:16with the agents
38:16of custody
38:17and also has
38:18started again
38:18to paint
38:19the only thing
38:20that she's sorry
38:21is not being able to
38:22to see the children
38:22for his future
38:24Milena
38:24she is serene
38:25in conclusion
38:26it wasn't his fault
38:27it's the fault of the circumstances
38:29it's the alcohol's fault
38:30it's the fault of those men
38:32that they beat her
38:33and they all raped her
38:34those too
38:35who did not kill
38:39given the events
38:40of his life
38:41for fragility
38:42of his personality
38:43for addiction
38:44chronic from alcohol
38:45and also
38:46for the modalities
38:47same
38:48of the murders
38:48Professor Ponti
38:50he believes
38:51that the capacity
38:51to understand
38:52and want
38:53of the accused
38:53at the moment
38:54of the commission
38:55of the crimes
38:55was seriously compromised
38:58partial defect
38:59of mind
38:59Therefore
39:00semi-mental infirmity
39:02I'm not a murderer
39:03because I don't realize
39:04to kill
39:10the process
39:11of appeal
39:12for the murder
39:12by Mario
39:13it ends
39:13October 13, 2000
39:14the assize court
39:16of Appeal of Milan
39:17recognizes
39:17the partial vice
39:18of mind
39:19and half
39:20the sentence
39:20already inflicted
39:21to Milena
39:21for death
39:22of the husband
39:246 years
39:25and 8 months
39:26in place
39:27of 14 years
39:28to which it had been
39:28condemned
39:29the lawyer
39:30Licia Sardo
39:31she is satisfied
39:32Despite
39:33it was not given to her
39:34recognized
39:34the full
39:35mental infirmity
39:35but it doesn't matter
39:36and now
39:38Milena asks herself
39:39thinking about the two processes
39:40that are waiting for him
39:41what will happen
39:42Now
39:42with the process
39:44for death
39:44of Mr. Giusto
39:45it's getting even better
39:46February 2nd
39:48of 2001
39:49the court
39:50of the Assizes of Pavia
39:50he recognizes them
39:51only
39:52culpable excess
39:53in self-defense
39:54one year
39:55and 8 months
39:59I have left
40:00between the hands
40:01and he died
40:03I didn't want to
40:04let him die
40:06I didn't have
40:07no reason
40:10what reason
40:11I had to kill
40:11that man
40:13if it wasn't
40:14a disgusting one
40:14a pig
40:15a bastard
40:16like many others
40:18that I found
40:18on the street
40:20I didn't get any of it
40:21Nothing
40:22of his death
40:24I was already
40:24in jail
40:27what did I get out of it?
40:28Nothing
40:31I was simply
40:32tired of running
40:33alone
40:34like a madwoman
40:37alone
40:37for all
40:38my life
40:40and always
40:41in front of everything
40:42and to everyone
40:47only missing
40:48a process
40:48the process
40:50for the murder
40:51by Angelo
40:56Milena
40:57it doesn't seem like it
40:57worry about it
40:58On the contrary
40:59when it comes
41:00pronounced
41:00the sentence
41:01for the murder
41:01of Mr. Giusto
41:02it doesn't even work
41:03in court
41:04if there is anything left
41:05in his cell
41:06in the women's prison
41:07from Vigevano
41:07to paint
41:08calmly
41:12the professor
41:13Maurizio Marasco
41:14he is an expert
41:15of neurology
41:16and psychiatry
41:17teacher
41:18of psychopathology
41:19forensic
41:19and criminology
41:20at the university
41:21wisdom
41:22of Rome
41:23meet Milena
41:24in prison
41:25May 9th
41:26of 2001
41:26on the occasion
41:27of the third trial
41:28that
41:29for death
41:29by Angelo
41:30which is held
41:31at the court
41:32of the Assizes of Pavia
41:33Milena
41:34he is always kind
41:35and quiet
41:36and talks about everything
41:37but when he remembers
41:38the husband
41:39who killed
41:40Mario
41:41suddenly
41:41go from the first
41:42in the third person
41:48he had
41:49its good sides
41:51and I remember
41:52always the beautiful things
41:54even if I know
41:54that she
41:55he killed him
41:58sometimes it happens to me
42:00in this regard
42:01the psychologist
42:02he says that I
42:02I split myself in two
42:04and I'm talking about myself
42:05as if I were speaking
42:06of another person
42:14Certain
42:14he knows
42:15that she killed him
42:16as you know
42:17that sometimes
42:17he does things
42:18by instinct
42:18without thinking about it
42:20even if then
42:20when he thinks about it again
42:21he knows he wouldn't have
42:22had to do it
42:24borderline
42:25thinks Professor Marasco
42:26a subject
42:28which presents
42:29character anomalies
42:30and alterations
42:31at times
42:31of personality
42:32a subject
42:33psychopath
42:34Surely
42:35but
42:44but
42:45when killed
42:46Angelo Porrello
42:47Milena
42:48it was perfectly
42:49conscious
42:49of the fact
42:50that was killing
42:51a man
42:51even if it was
42:52his
42:52rapist
42:53and he did it
42:54with a lucidity
42:55and a coldness
42:56relentless
42:57without trying
42:58remorse
42:59or hesitation
43:00Like this
43:00Professor Marasco writes
43:02in his expertise
43:10both first
43:11that after killing him
43:12he behaves
43:13consistently
43:14and perfectly
43:15understandable
43:15devoid of those
43:17incongruity
43:17own
43:18of a moment
43:18of madness
43:19search also
43:20to build itself
43:21an alibi
43:22and in fact
43:22he writes to him
43:23those letters
43:24and a few days
43:24After
43:25he can be found
43:25out of the house
43:26in violation
43:27of the arrests
43:27house arrest
43:28to get arrested
43:29from the police
43:30in order to finish
43:31in prison
43:31when Angelo Porrello
43:33will be found
43:45if anything Milena
43:47she is impulsive
43:47and when he kills
43:48he doesn't think
43:49to the consequences
43:50of that
43:50what is he doing
43:51he also has
43:52a quotient
43:52of intelligence
43:53superior
43:54to the average
43:54his
43:55it's 115
43:55when usually
43:57is in the 90s
43:58and the 100
43:58according to Professor Marasco
44:00alcoholism too
44:01it has nothing to do with it
44:02meanwhile
44:03when Angelo was killed
44:04Milena
44:05it wasn't
44:05under the influence
44:06of alcohol
44:06and then
44:07drink
44:08he never compromised
44:09his ability
44:10of criticism
44:11and of judgment
44:12his ability
44:13to want
44:22Certain
44:22Milena
44:23he's a serial killer
44:26his crimes
44:27are characterized
44:28from a violence
44:28brutal
44:29pushed
44:30says the professor
44:31from urgent need
44:32of the woman
44:33to punish the partner
44:34to beg
44:35towards him
44:36for the wrongs suffered
44:37almost to symbolize
44:38revenge
44:39towards
44:40of the father figure
44:45all the crimes
44:46they have to do with
44:46with that
44:47that the professor
44:48defines
44:48the triad
44:49sex
44:50violence
44:50death
44:51and all this
44:52it's just
44:53of a serial killer
44:54but
44:54but
44:55for Professor Marasco
44:57when Milena
44:58he committed
44:58his crimes
44:59it was perfectly
45:00able
45:00to understand
45:01and to want
45:07the beginning of the process
45:08for the murder
45:09by Angelo
45:10it is expected
45:11for October 24th
45:12of 2001
45:13at the court
45:14of the Assizes of Pavia
45:15Milena
45:16knows
45:16of the expertise
45:17by Professor Marasco
45:18and he also knows
45:19what could it mean
45:20she killed him
45:22Angel
45:23and on this
45:23there is no doubt
45:24but if he was able
45:25to understand
45:26to want
45:26then the penalty
45:27which risks
45:28that's it
45:28of life imprisonment
45:29Milena now
45:30she is less confident
45:31first time
45:32On the contrary
45:32Milena
45:33he's scared
45:46under the moon at night
45:47there is no more
45:48a lot on television
45:49above all
45:50in a day in between
45:51like Tuesday
45:52the volume
45:53it's getting lower and lower
45:54and music and voices
45:55they do not overlap
45:56more
45:57like when it's day
45:58inside the guardhouse
46:00of a lime kiln
46:00Then
46:01television
46:02it is mainly used
46:02to pass better
46:03the night shift
46:04and nobody really looks at it
46:12Tuesday
46:13October 16, 2001
46:15one in the morning
46:16Milena
46:17he is in his cell
46:18in the women's prison
46:19from Vigevano
46:22at any hour
46:24the supervisor passes by
46:25that opens the peephole
46:26to control it
46:27and that's what happens
46:28Milena
46:29he's in bed
46:30and he seems to be sleeping
46:41Instead
46:41as soon as the supervisor
46:43close the peephole
46:44and he moves away
46:45Milena
46:46he gets up
46:49take the sheet
46:50he does it in stripes
46:51and weaves them together
46:52to form a noose
46:53he attacks him
46:54on a hook
46:55that's in the closet
46:56and what is it for?
46:57to hang up the clothes
47:02he sticks his head in
47:04and then
47:04he lets himself fall
47:05lifting your legs
47:23at 1.50
47:24the supervisor passes by
47:25of the next round
47:27that Milena sees
47:28in the closet
47:28open the door wide
47:29and call for help
47:30Milena
47:31he's still breathing
47:32they bring it
47:33in a hurry
47:34to the hospital
47:35from Vigevano
47:35but it's too late
47:41it still lasts a few minutes
47:43and at 2.15
47:44Milena Quaglini
47:45he dies
47:46he goes away like this
47:47in silence
47:48almost timidly
47:49just leave it alone
47:50a short message
47:51for the three children
47:52that he hasn't seen for a long time
47:56I can't take it anymore
47:57forgive me
47:58I love you
48:00the mother
48:11for the three children
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