Il Delitto della Versilia |Parte2| Telefono Giallo 1991 [CrimeCult]

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Maria Luigia Redoli, soprannominata dai media "la Circe della Versilia", era la moglie di Luciano Iacopi, condannata all'ergastolo insieme all'amante Carlo Cappelletti per l'omicidio del marito, avvenuto a Forte dei Marmi il 17 luglio 1989. Iacopi, ricco agente immobiliare, proprietario di diverse case e fondi, venne ucciso con 17 fendenti nel garage della sua abitazione, a due passi dalle spiagge della capitale del lusso versiliese. A scoprire il cadavere in un lago di sangue fu la stessa moglie, appena rientrata in casa con i figli. I sospetti si concentrarono comunque fin da subito su di lei, affascinante cinquantenne dalla bellezza aggressiva, e sul suo amante, un carabiniere di 23 anni. Dalle indagini affiora un mondo torbido, fatto di tradimenti, affari sporchi e ambigui personaggi a caccia di soldi facili, di cui "Telefono giallo" cerca di dare un quadro esaustivo.   1991 - Telefono giallo 1991 - Il delitto della Versilia - 02   #Delitto #Circe #Versilia #TelefonoGiallo #Crime #TrueCrime #ColdCase #Cronaca #CronacaNera #Nera #CronacaItaliana #Crimini #Criminali #CasiIrrisolti #Misteri #Mistero #Documentari #DocITA #CrimeDoc #Indagine #Giallo #Omicidio #Assassino #Killer #SerialKiller #Noir #Racconto #Cattura #CSI #CriminalMinds #SubENG #Delitto #Delitti #Crimine #Criminale #DivinumCrime #Blu #Notte #Carlo #Lucarelli #Misteri #Italiani #Documentario #Docu #Doc #DocuITA #Netflix #Streaming #SerieTV #Serie #TV #Stagione #Completa #StagioneCompleta #Tutte #Puntate #Puntata #Episodi #Episodio

Transcript

00:00:01Listen, Mr. Perticati, let's talk a little about this story, about these 15 million.

00:00:07This woman had sent her away from home, then she returned after seven, eight months,

00:00:10making the excuse that her daughter had love problems, if she could get a mother, etc.

00:00:15I received her at home, she came once, twice, and after two more times, she made me the same proposal again.

00:00:20That is, the proposal?

00:00:21Exact.

00:00:22That is, the request to find a chili?

00:00:24No, no, he's asking me to...

00:00:27A death spell?

00:00:28To kill her husband, yes.

00:00:29With an invoice?

00:00:30With an invoice, yes.

00:00:31And he even told me, I say, he even told me that he had already asked others,

00:00:36that in Livorno there were people who did it, etc., etc.

00:00:39I mean, I trust you, if you do it to me, she said, I honestly, I say, I just threw it out there like that,

00:00:45I say, look, with magic it's difficult, but it's not that difficult, at most one makes a phone call,

00:00:50I say, but then the conversation ended there, and then we started talking about magic again,

00:00:53there I explained that, clearly, I say, it was very difficult because there were particular rights,

00:01:00I mean, I tried to persuade her, after two days, two days, I don't remember, obviously,

00:01:04he told me, look, he says, I, he says, I'm willing, he says, you told me so, it's true,

00:01:10let's say, if we talk about it, I mean, she, it was she who returned to the subject.

00:01:14But did she propose it to him like that?

00:01:15But I'm joking, really, I say, also because...

00:01:18And the lady took it as true.

00:01:20Exactly, exactly, and I tell him, but, I say, I don't know, I say, he has to hear, I say, also because it's not

00:01:23that I do the kill,

00:01:24anyway, I mean, so I don't know, I have to listen, I mean, I have some friends, let's listen, let's talk, right?

00:01:29Then over there, with Patrizia, when I'm away, this, when she, sincerely, told him, I, this woman needs a

00:01:34lesson,

00:01:35I mean, now I'm asking for 30 million, I mean, definitely...

00:01:36Do it Pausco.

00:01:37Excuse me, I say, I have to teach this woman a lesson, I say, now I demand 30 million, definitely, I say,

00:01:45then the discussion of the 15 million which then had to become 30, however, I say, my intention was precisely that of

00:01:51remove the husband

00:01:52and by teaching him a lesson, I say, this doesn't mean that I then took the 15 million, I say, let's be clear.

00:01:57And it seems right, in a certain sense, to exercise a sort of deception, a little scam, if you will allow me, for

00:02:06punish a person.

00:02:07I was certainly wrong, I say, and this is true, but I said this clearly, I say, I say, I was

00:02:13an idiot, but in total good faith, I say.

00:02:15But were these 15 million returned to Mrs. Redoli or not?

00:02:19No, I gave them back, no.

00:02:20Thank you.

00:02:20Please.

00:02:21Marco Porticati said that she would have given this 15 million to hire a hitman.

00:02:26Now, do you want to answer me about this?

00:02:28No.

00:02:30It is not true?

00:02:32I mean, why did you give this 15 million? Why did you trust this person so much?

00:02:37No, no, no. Marco Porticati must have been very good at Italian.

00:02:42I mean, what's his version?

00:02:44He worked a lot with his imagination.

00:02:45I would like her to give her version of this 15 million, she should give it to her.

00:02:50I don't know what to tell you about these 15 million, I know that they've fantasized a lot about these 15 million, yes.

00:02:59But...

00:03:00Did you give him this money?

00:03:02But no, I gave them to him, but I didn't give them to him to have my husband killed.

00:03:06And there's a version, there's one of his...

00:03:09No.

00:03:11Did he lend it to you?

00:03:12I actually lent them to him, yes.

00:03:14And in fact he bought the car.

00:03:16Then he told me he would return them to me later, but he never returned them to me.

00:03:24Mrs. Redoli, you say you lent 15 million to Porticati,

00:03:30but he will admit that for those who hear this story for the first time, well, it seems a little unbelievable.

00:03:37Why do you have to lend 15 million to a magician to buy a car?

00:03:43No.

00:03:45Since this is quite an important topic,

00:03:50on which Mrs. Redoli was questioned at length,

00:03:54in the preliminary investigation, in the trial and so on,

00:03:59we prefer, since those evidences and those statements are very clear in the preliminary investigation,

00:04:07let's go back to that.

00:04:08On the other hand, the process is not over yet.

00:04:11Of course, Mr. Lawyer.

00:04:12But at least, I understand that Mrs. Redoli may have an opinion on this,

00:04:17in short, given his position, be hesitant.

00:04:20But can you summarize those positions for us?

00:04:22But I can tell you what Mrs. Redoli and Porticati himself said in his statements,

00:04:31and that is, that he, having become aware of these more or less vague ideas, more or less of magic, of spells, etc.,

00:04:43etc,

00:04:44and at a certain point he himself, on his own initiative, found a way to insinuate himself into Redoli's thinking

00:04:56enough to convince her to let him pay out these 15 million that had to be used in one way or another,

00:05:06she also said recently in the last trial, to arrive at her husband's death.

00:05:12But this matter ended shortly after he received the 15 million,

00:05:20as Redoli has always said, it was a moment of confusion caused by Porticati's maneuvers

00:05:29and then he always insisted on the return, completely abandoning that idea or that plan

00:05:37which could have been brought to him way back in April or May of that year.

00:05:44Of that year.

00:05:44Listen, Mr. Lawyer, since we are touching on this very delicate subject,

00:05:49she will surely have found an answer to the other disturbing fact too,

00:05:53the one with Tamara's pins stuck on Jacopi's photographs.

00:05:57How did you explain that one?

00:05:59Look, there's really no need to explain that,

00:06:03because I think that the outbursts of a 14 or 15 or 16 year old teenager,

00:06:09which he could have had at that age,

00:06:12that at a certain point due to family arguments, misunderstandings,

00:06:18for a moment of resentment,

00:06:20may have put pins in Jacopi's face.

00:06:26Yet, let's be clear,

00:06:27if you go and see everything that was found during the search of those pins,

00:06:35they were also in many other photographs, on many other heads,

00:06:39I don't understand why the lemon should be identified with the Jacopi.

00:06:45And so that really seems like a teenager's outburst to me,

00:06:49perhaps conditioned in some way,

00:06:53because perhaps he heard too much talk of magic in his house.

00:06:58Do you have teenage children, lawyer?

00:07:01No, I have teenage grandchildren now.

00:07:05Do you think they stick pins in his effigy in a teenage outburst?

00:07:11No, then I'll tell him right away.

00:07:14And my niece, especially the eldest one who listens to me on TV,

00:07:18like my daughter who will certainly listen to me on TV,

00:07:22they can confirm it.

00:07:23I think I'm famous in all the colors that know me,

00:07:29of Versilia and outside of Versilia,

00:07:32for always being the most loving father,

00:07:37kinder, more well-liked,

00:07:40so take me as an example

00:07:42absolutely, it would be completely out of the question.

00:07:46No, I was asking you this question, lawyer.

00:07:49No, without too much malice.

00:07:51The malice of the question was thus exposed

00:07:54which is as if it weren't there.

00:07:55Why Mrs. Redoli,

00:07:57a couple of times during this interview,

00:08:00he said

00:08:01but I think everyone does it like this,

00:08:03I think things like this happen in all families.

00:08:09Maybe, maybe we should...

00:08:11Can I see Mrs. Redoli?

00:08:14Madam, perhaps that is not the case.

00:08:16Maybe she has a vision of things

00:08:18which depends on the particular experiences

00:08:21that she lived,

00:08:22from his life, from his affections.

00:08:24But these things, heard from strangers,

00:08:27Instead, they have a very strange effect.

00:08:30These are not normal things, you see.

00:08:31They don't always happen.

00:08:34She realizes it now

00:08:35who lived...

00:08:37Yes, that's true.

00:08:40Tell me.

00:08:41Yes.

00:08:43Yes, he realizes it now.

00:08:45Yes, that's true.

00:08:47No, because she said so,

00:08:49he repeated it two or three times.

00:08:50I saw that she says

00:08:51I think that every woman,

00:08:52that in every family,

00:08:55that every wife...

00:08:56It is not true,

00:08:56it's not that common.

00:09:07Shall I move on?

00:09:08Yes.

00:09:09I'm moving on.

00:09:10Thank you, Mrs. Maria Luigio.

00:09:11I don't insist when I see...

00:09:14I don't insist when I see

00:09:15that Mrs. Redoli

00:09:16he doesn't want to answer

00:09:18for the reasons

00:09:19that you will all understand.

00:09:21That woman,

00:09:23Carlo Cappelletti,

00:09:24they are ten days old

00:09:26received a life sentence

00:09:28and the duty of a reporter

00:09:29it stops

00:09:30in the face of reticence

00:09:32because staying here is one thing

00:09:35in a television studio

00:09:36and it's one thing to stay

00:09:38on that chair

00:09:39whatever they are

00:09:40the facts,

00:09:41the precedents

00:09:42that to that condemnation

00:09:43they brought.

00:09:45According to the magician Portigati,

00:09:47Anyway,

00:09:47those 15 million,

00:09:49so,

00:09:49they were the advance

00:09:50for a murderer

00:09:51whose total cost

00:09:53it had to be

00:09:53of approximately 30 million,

00:09:55let's say that that one

00:09:55it was the first tranche,

00:09:56the first installment

00:09:57of a contract

00:09:59of death.

00:10:00He specifies

00:10:01that he didn't have

00:10:02the intention

00:10:02to procure a murderer,

00:10:04On the contrary,

00:10:04Portigati himself says

00:10:05which he didn't even have

00:10:06the idea of where

00:10:07go and look for her,

00:10:08this killer

00:10:09that Redoli,

00:10:09in his opinion,

00:10:11he would have asked him

00:10:12and admits with that

00:10:13consequentially

00:10:14that money

00:10:15he cheated them

00:10:16to Redoli,

00:10:17he cheated them

00:10:17and perhaps used

00:10:18to buy

00:10:19that new car.

00:10:21According to Redoli

00:10:22Instead,

00:10:23the 15 million

00:10:24they were a loan,

00:10:26I want to summarize

00:10:26the positions,

00:10:27which among other things

00:10:28the Portigati,

00:10:29the magician,

00:10:29he doesn't even have them

00:10:30returned

00:10:31after they were done,

00:10:33after having been given.

00:10:35Those 15 million

00:10:36but they land

00:10:36the judicial investigation,

00:10:38they become rather

00:10:38an important element

00:10:40because,

00:10:41among other things,

00:10:42of a phone call

00:10:43that Redoli

00:10:44he does after the crime

00:10:46to the magician,

00:10:47phone call that comes

00:10:48intercepted,

00:10:49registered

00:10:49by order

00:10:50of the judiciary.

00:10:53Again

00:10:53I would like to repeat

00:10:54a warning

00:10:55in the video

00:10:56what you are about to see

00:10:57that I have already done

00:10:57at the start

00:10:58for those who haven't heard it.

00:11:00Between the lady

00:11:01Redoli in the flesh

00:11:02connected with us

00:11:03from his home

00:11:04and the Redoli

00:11:05actress

00:11:05who plays

00:11:06the videos

00:11:07of our reconstruction

00:11:08there is an extraordinary

00:11:10resemblance.

00:11:11I say it

00:11:11to avoid

00:11:12the misunderstandings

00:11:13also in the video

00:11:14what time are you

00:11:15to see.

00:11:19We want to talk

00:11:20a bit

00:11:20of that phone call

00:11:21of July 24th?

00:11:23That phone call

00:11:24that she

00:11:25he did in Porticati

00:11:26when she

00:11:27he asked him

00:11:27the restitution.

00:11:29Here you are,

00:11:30tell me about yourself

00:11:31that is, his version

00:11:32of this phone call?

00:11:33Hate

00:11:34it's a word

00:11:40I

00:11:41it was already

00:11:42a bit

00:11:42of time

00:11:42that I was asking

00:11:43this money

00:11:44to this

00:11:45Marco Porticati

00:11:48but

00:11:50I do not know

00:11:52he's doing it to me

00:11:53a question

00:11:53look

00:11:54that I am

00:11:54own

00:11:54Not

00:11:56he doesn't answer

00:11:58to this question

00:11:58Oh Marco

00:12:00Yes?

00:12:00It's me

00:12:01Oh

00:12:02are you here?

00:12:03Where am I?

00:12:04Listen to me

00:12:05At that time?

00:12:06How is it going?

00:12:08Oh

00:12:08How do you want it to go?

00:12:10Did you find out things?

00:12:11Yes

00:12:12eh

00:12:12I can read

00:12:14I say

00:12:14Yes

00:12:15but it has nothing to do with them

00:12:16eh

00:12:17let it be clear

00:12:17No

00:12:18ninth

00:12:18at least I say

00:12:19oh no

00:12:23listen to me

00:12:23but

00:12:26At that time

00:12:26to make us see

00:12:27that stuff

00:12:27how is it done?

00:12:28Now

00:12:29it doesn't seem like it to me

00:12:30exactly the case

00:12:30to move

00:12:32no eh

00:12:33Why?

00:12:34Then after

00:12:36clearly

00:12:36we are more relaxed

00:12:40I understand

00:12:41listen up

00:12:43but they there

00:12:44what did they tell you?

00:12:46No

00:12:47can't you talk?

00:12:49Oh yeah

00:12:50I understand

00:12:52away

00:12:52Well

00:12:52See you then

00:12:54eh

00:12:54HI

00:12:59a few days later

00:13:00the killer

00:13:01of Jacopi

00:13:02Maria Luigia

00:13:03Redoli

00:13:03asks in a phone call

00:13:05says to the Magician Portigati

00:13:06in a phone call

00:13:07intercepted

00:13:08to give her back the money

00:13:10because literally

00:13:12so much

00:13:12it wasn't them

00:13:15naturally

00:13:16the interpretation

00:13:17that the investigators

00:13:19give this sentence

00:13:20is the one you can

00:13:21imagine

00:13:22there had been a contract

00:13:23the man dies

00:13:24the woman asks

00:13:26the money

00:13:27in return

00:13:27why the murderers

00:13:28that Portigati

00:13:30should have found

00:13:31he didn't find them

00:13:32and some of another

00:13:33imagine who

00:13:34he took care of it

00:13:35as needed

00:13:36this is an interpretation

00:13:37plausible

00:13:38but Franca Leosini

00:13:39it's the only one

00:13:40possible interpretation

00:13:41of this sentence?

00:13:42No

00:13:42Why

00:13:43can be

00:13:44as always happens

00:13:46in the processes

00:13:47highly circumstantial

00:13:48one and the same thing

00:13:49can be read

00:13:50in two ways

00:13:50absolutely contrasting

00:13:51Why

00:13:52it could mean

00:13:53as the prosecution says

00:13:54it wasn't them anyway

00:13:56because she

00:13:57should be aware

00:13:59of who he then killed

00:14:00but it can also mean

00:14:02one more thing

00:14:02as she

00:14:03he gave

00:14:0415 million

00:14:05would have given

00:14:0615 million

00:14:07in Portigati

00:14:08but these

00:14:08he gave them to him

00:14:09he admits it

00:14:09to pay a hitman

00:14:11but 15 million

00:14:12that they would have been

00:14:13an advance

00:14:14compared to 30

00:14:15agreed

00:14:16practically

00:14:17if it had been them

00:14:18if they had been

00:14:20the emissaries of Portigati

00:14:21this could mean

00:14:22Mrs. Redoli

00:14:23certainly Portigati

00:14:25immediately after

00:14:26the crime

00:14:27would have asked

00:14:28the balance

00:14:29of the other 15 million

00:14:30Meaning what

00:14:30to conclude

00:14:32about 30

00:14:33agreed

00:14:33so this is

00:14:35Certainly

00:14:36a version

00:14:37which goes anyway

00:14:37to the advantage

00:14:38of a strangeness

00:14:39of Maria Luigia Redoli

00:14:41Yes

00:14:41according to this interpretation

00:14:43it goes to the advantage

00:14:44by Maria Luigia Redoli

00:14:45according to the other

00:14:46interpretation

00:14:46and this is precisely

00:14:48the core

00:14:48of the enigma

00:14:49instead confirms

00:14:50his guilt

00:14:51us in the video

00:14:52that we see now

00:14:53we have

00:14:54that we see now

00:14:56after this phone call

00:14:57ready

00:14:58is it ready?

00:14:59Yes

00:14:59listen

00:14:59I'm Emanuela

00:15:00I'm calling Grossietto

00:15:01I'm 24 years old

00:15:02on psychology

00:15:03study

00:15:03Here you are

00:15:04I'm following the case

00:15:05first time tonight

00:15:06Why

00:15:06I never hear

00:15:08the yellow telephone

00:15:08I never watch it

00:15:09I called

00:15:10tonight on purpose

00:15:11for Redoli

00:15:12because the case

00:15:13in short the study

00:15:14a little bit from

00:15:14from this summer

00:15:15it can be said

00:15:16from what point of view

00:15:17are you studying it?

00:15:18because I care

00:15:19the person

00:15:20because in my opinion

00:15:20she is completely innocent

00:15:22because precisely

00:15:23for these magicians

00:15:23look

00:15:24I have a mother

00:15:25with whom I have a relationship

00:15:26let's say

00:15:26very stormy

00:15:28my mother goes

00:15:29very often

00:15:30from the magicians

00:15:30from these so-called magicians

00:15:31what they tell him

00:15:32you have the evil eye

00:15:33the daughter of the evil eye

00:15:34they inspire him

00:15:34800

00:15:35one million

00:15:36and then instead

00:15:36they don't do anything

00:15:37I study psychology

00:15:39I do

00:15:39I study psychology

00:15:40I'm in my fourth year

00:15:42I'm a little excited

00:15:43Excuse me

00:15:44but I said it

00:15:45I felt exactly that

00:15:46from this summer

00:15:46from Redoli

00:15:47and for the fact

00:15:48only that she

00:15:49be platinum blonde

00:15:50like me

00:15:51and have us

00:15:51a younger lover

00:15:52for me this one here

00:15:53it's been a while

00:15:54a moment of racism

00:15:55towards him

00:15:56let's say a little

00:15:58blame her

00:15:58because in my opinion

00:15:59she is completely innocent

00:16:00look

00:16:01I am also

00:16:01very instinctive

00:16:02I saw her

00:16:02tonight in the face

00:16:03for good

00:16:04I even wanted to

00:16:05write to her in prison

00:16:06because I know so much

00:16:07that will come back to us

00:16:08in prison

00:16:08I wanted to write to you

00:16:09precisely because

00:16:10In my opinion

00:16:10it's very innocent

00:16:12that woman

00:16:12the daughter

00:16:13although

00:16:14with pins

00:16:15he does certain things

00:16:16he is a teenager

00:16:17we understand

00:16:18me for example

00:16:19my dad is suicidal

00:16:20and I had

00:16:21a stepfather

00:16:22very bad

00:16:23who also needs to be beaten

00:16:24Me too

00:16:25my stepfather

00:16:25I hated it

00:16:26to death

00:16:26so this girl

00:16:28there is also something to understand

00:16:28a moment

00:16:29but we don't put

00:16:30mother on the cross

00:16:31who killed

00:16:32the Jacopi

00:16:32for this and that

00:16:33I told him

00:16:34I never look

00:16:35the yellow telephone

00:16:36I saw your number

00:16:37on a newspaper

00:16:38I called you

00:16:39precisely because

00:16:40In my opinion

00:16:40the woman there

00:16:41he is innocent

00:16:42and it shows

00:16:42you can see

00:16:43that's all there is to it

00:16:44Redoli will thank you

00:16:46for this testimony

00:16:47after all

00:16:47in the little square

00:16:48I saw her smile

00:16:50we instead

00:16:51that we want to explore

00:16:52all possible steps

00:16:54of this story

00:16:54in the video

00:16:55what time you will see

00:16:56we have rebuilt

00:16:57the final scene

00:17:00of that tram

00:17:01according to the hypothesis

00:17:02contrary

00:17:03the prosecution's hypothesis

00:17:04let's see it

00:17:05the prosecution's hypothesis

00:17:35the prosecution's hypothesis

00:17:53the prosecution's hypothesis

00:18:04the prosecution's hypothesis

00:18:18the prosecution's hypothesis

00:18:19the prosecution's hypothesis

00:19:04the prosecution's hypothesis

00:19:34the prosecution's hypothesis

00:20:04the prosecution's hypothesis

00:20:34the prosecution's hypothesis

00:21:04the prosecution's hypothesis

00:21:04of appeal

00:21:05he believed in this hypothesis

00:21:07Yes

00:21:08he believed in this hypothesis

00:21:10and condemned

00:21:12in the video

00:21:14that we just saw

00:21:15figure with good visibility

00:21:17a bunch of keys

00:21:18something like this

00:21:21what importance do they have?

00:21:24the keys in this process

00:21:26they are the key element

00:21:28if I can play with words

00:21:29games

00:21:30because they then determined

00:21:33in the judges of the court of appeal

00:21:36the convention of guilt

00:21:38because in the end they said

00:21:40who closed that door

00:21:41he is the author of the crime

00:21:42but it absolutely can

00:21:44be the opposite

00:21:45in the sense?

00:21:46in the sense that there are other systems

00:21:48which then maybe in the course

00:21:49we'll see about the broadcast

00:21:50there is one

00:21:51why Jacopi was found

00:21:53as you know

00:21:54dead but without the keys in his pocket

00:21:56with a closed door

00:21:57four-way

00:21:58Now

00:21:59undoubtedly

00:22:00he left home

00:22:01to return

00:22:02he should have had the keys

00:22:03who closed that door

00:22:05but there was a system

00:22:07which we will see later

00:22:08this system

00:22:09no we see it right away

00:22:10Look

00:22:10we arrived at 10.14

00:22:12and it's time to see it

00:22:14this system

00:22:16this way

00:22:16a little complicated

00:22:18for the truth

00:22:18to close that door

00:22:20even without having the keys

00:22:22it has been rebuilt

00:22:23from the lawyers

00:22:24from the protagonists

00:22:25knowing the habits

00:22:27of Jacopi

00:22:28and now we offer it to you

00:22:30in a video

00:22:31that Franca Leosini

00:22:32together with me

00:22:32will comment

00:22:33to clarify

00:22:34the key steps

00:22:35let's see this video

00:22:37and we hear

00:22:38how could they be

00:22:39the facts be carried out

00:22:41here are the facts

00:22:42they may have happened like this

00:22:44Luciano Jacopi

00:22:45who returns home

00:22:46After

00:22:47to have spent

00:22:48the day

00:22:49with her friend

00:22:50Follonica

00:22:50can

00:22:51according to the lawyers

00:22:53of the defense

00:22:55have left the keys

00:22:56At home

00:22:56to have forgotten them

00:22:57but why him

00:22:59he knew

00:22:59to be able to rely on

00:23:01on a pair of keys

00:23:03let's say emergency

00:23:04emergency

00:23:05That

00:23:06you see

00:23:07you can see that here

00:23:09he doesn't have the keys

00:23:10then he touches his pockets

00:23:11and he doesn't have the keys

00:23:12emergency keys

00:23:14that they were

00:23:15kept

00:23:16in the trunk

00:23:19they were

00:23:19there were a couple

00:23:20in the trunk

00:23:21of a garage

00:23:22to access

00:23:23to this garage

00:23:24he takes a key

00:23:26which was under

00:23:27that little barrel

00:23:28deposited

00:23:29on a barbecue

00:23:29he enters

00:23:32in the garage

00:23:33with those keys

00:23:34of access

00:23:35to the garage

00:23:35in the garage

00:23:37there is a moped

00:23:40parked

00:23:43here you see it

00:23:45in the trunk

00:23:46of the garage

00:23:46there are the keys

00:23:48that he knew

00:23:49another deck

00:23:51of keys

00:23:51that were always there

00:23:52emergency

00:23:54with which

00:23:54him

00:23:54can be returned

00:23:56at home

00:23:56that were always there

00:24:06that were always there

00:24:07that were always there

00:24:12that were always there

00:24:18that were always there

00:24:23at home

00:24:25that were always there

00:24:26that were always there

00:24:27that were always there

00:24:27See you soon.

00:25:05See you soon.

00:25:36See you soon.

00:26:09See you soon.

00:26:32See you soon.

00:27:01See you soon.

00:27:27See you soon.

00:27:41See you soon.

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00:29:01See you soon.

00:29:03See you soon.

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00:31:21See you soon.

00:31:22We went out to get some fresh air,

00:31:24he's hot in his tank top,

00:31:25he may have been the victim of a frightened thief

00:31:28and pushed beyond his own initial intentions.

00:31:33There is also another hypothesis that is not linked to a thief AGAIN where

00:31:39acts beyond his intentions, but the activity carried out by Jacopi, which as Franca Leosina reminded us

00:31:44At the beginning of this program, it is a wear-and-tear activity. One test reported seeing two days

00:31:52Before

00:31:54of the crime two bad guys as he defined them, to turn around near the house, to go down the garage ramp

00:32:00that we just saw. And who could have had an interest in killing Jacopi in this sense?

00:32:08Redoli herself makes us understand this in the short interview, in the short statement she gave us

00:32:13a few days ago. To some hypothesis that may concern her husband's life, to someone who maybe

00:32:20she may have had reasons for resentment towards him, it is possible that she knew nothing of his affairs,

00:32:26she who did not give a fund, she did not give, she who was accused of a crime

00:32:30horrible

00:32:31He didn't give any useful information. Madam, I'm talking about my husband, my husband's private life.

00:32:37I never knew. So much so that when he went to sleep he put his wallet in

00:32:43under the pillow. So imagine if I, also out of female curiosity, had wanted to see

00:32:52If there was anything in the wallet, it wasn't possible. I know he had lent some money, that's for sure.

00:33:00Well, this is an important thing, but it doesn't reach people, so it couldn't be useful.

00:33:04to herself, as well as to those conducting the investigation.

00:33:08No.

00:33:11So she knows that her husband was lending money.

00:33:14Yes, he did that. And at a very... the rate was very...

00:33:22Yes.

00:33:23High.

00:33:24Yes.

00:33:25Because within this very restless world of debtors there could be hidden in the folds

00:33:32of this world.

00:33:33And I know, instead they stopped us, they took us, they packed us up and they took us

00:33:40to San Giorgio. And that's it.

00:33:45But these are only hypotheses, because the judges of the Court of Assizes of Appeal have in reality

00:33:52found Maria Luigia Redoli and Carlo Cappelletti guilty of premeditated murder, sentencing them

00:33:57with this to life imprisonment. We interviewed, we had interviewed Maria Luigia a few days ago

00:34:04before the verdict. And these are the words she told us on that occasion.

00:34:13What marks has this story left on these kids?

00:34:16I think it was very hard for them. Because they found themselves from... let's say...

00:34:29They always had their backs covered by me, Tamara, whatever she did, there was mom

00:34:34Diego, a child, was giving him advice. I found myself, and his world fell apart.

00:34:43Little Mara found herself having to deal with everything, let's say, being a mother to her brother.

00:34:48I left two children with an education that after nine months I could find in today's world

00:34:58in some surprises. While thanks to my daughter and to those who were close to him, to the lawyer Carducci,

00:35:06to this friend of ours, because people have all turned their backs on her, madam, everyone.

00:35:13I found them just as I left them.

00:35:17Unfortunately, this lady grew up all together.

00:35:21She has a...

00:35:22And I'm proud, look.

00:35:23And I'm really proud.

00:35:25She always brings the boys with her, I see that she lives with the boys.

00:35:29It was the bad people.

00:35:49You can't judge like that, madam.

00:35:53With two boys you can't judge like that.

00:35:56They could have judged me, but two boys were like that.

00:35:59Turn your back on her.

00:36:01If someone greeted them, say how?

00:36:04You greet the children of Jacopi.

00:36:07No, that's how it's done, ma'am.

00:36:11The price is high, Mrs. Maria Luiglia.

00:36:14The price is very high.

00:36:19And here ends the story of the events that we have tried to follow as they unfolded,

00:36:26in their contradictions, sometimes disturbing,

00:36:31and which resulted in the ruling of February 16,

00:36:35double life sentence.

00:36:38Of which the facts and the sentence.

00:36:40Now we would like to speak briefly with Franca Leosini,

00:36:44that you have already met, the colleague of the time,

00:36:47with the lawyer Rodolfo Lena, good evening lawyer,

00:36:49who defends cappelletti, if I'm not mistaken.

00:36:53And with colleagues Vittorio Feltri,

00:36:56who is the director of Europeo today,

00:36:58but which in due time, as we see,

00:37:01followed by the Corriere della Sera,

00:37:02for whom he was working at the time,

00:37:04followed and reconstructed this crime,

00:37:07and that on this crime he has, as an attentive reporter,

00:37:09precise ideas,

00:37:11and Franca Selvatici,

00:37:13which is,

00:37:15Franca Selvatici,

00:37:16what is it, good evening,

00:37:18Franca, the colleague from Repubblica,

00:37:20that she too, for the newspaper La Repubblica,

00:37:22followed this fact.

00:37:24First of all, a question for the lawyer Lena,

00:37:27as I asked the lawyer Mazzini Carducci before,

00:37:32and there are, in the reconstruction we have done,

00:37:35of the things you intend to observe?

00:37:38No, there are some small inaccuracies,

00:37:40which have not the slightest impact,

00:37:42in the reconstruction of the facts.

00:37:44Well, Feltri,

00:37:46what are we supposed to think?

00:37:49I think that a serious miscarriage of justice has been committed,

00:37:53because I believe that,

00:37:54from a technical point of view,

00:37:57Redoli and Cappelletti,

00:37:58they cannot have committed the crime,

00:38:00and also from a psychological point of view,

00:38:02I think it is very unlikely

00:38:05that things may have gone,

00:38:08as the prosecution claims.

00:38:10I mean, you want it,

00:38:11because this is such a clearly stated thesis,

00:38:14which, if you allow me,

00:38:15a certain impression is made after that sentence.

00:38:17You can perhaps exemplify it,

00:38:20to sum it up in...

00:38:21Yes, with a brief preface.

00:38:23I don't want to say that

00:38:26justice was wrong,

00:38:29because there are prejudices, etc.

00:38:33I'm just saying that we need to look at things more closely.

00:38:36I think I did this,

00:38:38and I'll quickly try to summarize it.

00:38:41It is established that,

00:38:43within half an hour,

00:38:44the couple,

00:38:45with the lady's two children,

00:38:48he should have done everything.

00:38:52everything and it's impossible,

00:38:54because it can't be done in half an hour

00:38:56to go from Lido di Camaiore,

00:39:00in Forte dei Marmi,

00:39:01by car,

00:39:02and return to the compass.

00:39:06Because in July and also in August

00:39:09there is a lot of traffic.

00:39:11And I did it,

00:39:12this round trip

00:39:13with the car,

00:39:16it was August,

00:39:17maybe the traffic was heavier,

00:39:19and I employed

00:39:2117 to 18 minutes.

00:39:25Here, meanwhile, Adriana Borgonovo,

00:39:26promptly,

00:39:27this is already a problem.

00:39:29Show map

00:39:30where you see that path

00:39:32that you mentioned.

00:39:33Then you said?

00:39:33It's a very long journey,

00:39:35very busy.

00:39:36Then you have to

00:39:40vibrate 18 stab wounds,

00:39:41it's not a little thing

00:39:42which is done in 20 seconds.

00:39:44you need to wash yourself.

00:39:46Blood splatters

00:39:47everywhere.

00:39:48It's not possible

00:39:49that only the hands are washed.

00:39:51Blood must be splashed

00:39:52on clothes, etc.

00:39:54Washing in the bathroom

00:39:55without leaving

00:39:56a drop of blood

00:39:57it's impossible.

00:39:58Also because

00:39:59if it ever happened to you

00:40:00to have a nosebleed,

00:40:03anything can happen in the bathroom.

00:40:04To clean those stains

00:40:05It takes 10 minutes

00:40:06and then some remain

00:40:08that cannot be seen.

00:40:08Anyway,

00:40:09you need to change your clothes.

00:40:11Put on clothes

00:40:12who knows where.

00:40:14Must

00:40:15get back in the car,

00:40:17to introduce oneself

00:40:18changed

00:40:18to the children.

00:40:20You have to hide

00:40:22the clothes.

00:40:22Unless the children

00:40:22they were not accomplices.

00:40:23Then it was necessary to condemn

00:40:25at least the young lady.

00:40:27And then,

00:40:27Here you are,

00:40:27that's a next stage.

00:40:29I would like to make a point.

00:40:31Then you have to run

00:40:32to hide the knife

00:40:33and to hide

00:40:34the clothes.

00:40:35And I don't think so.

00:40:35that can be thrown away

00:40:36in a cellophane bag

00:40:38in a ditch

00:40:39Why

00:40:39It's very easy to find them.

00:40:41then the ditches

00:40:42they can be dredged,

00:40:44etc.

00:40:44It is absolutely

00:40:45out of place

00:40:46and then it was necessary anyway

00:40:47complete the survey.

00:40:48The murder weapon

00:40:49you have to find.

00:40:50You have to find these things.

00:40:51Then we go to the compass

00:40:53and we dance all night

00:40:54without giving

00:40:56any

00:40:58sign

00:40:58of disturbance.

00:40:59And this,

00:41:00alright,

00:41:00maybe

00:41:01which as you said

00:41:02during the broadcast

00:41:03are

00:41:04an example

00:41:05monstrous

00:41:05of cynicism

00:41:06these two gentlemen.

00:41:07But then

00:41:08they should be

00:41:09even the boys

00:41:10because the boys

00:41:11if they were aware

00:41:12of that

00:41:13that the mother

00:41:14and the mother's friend

00:41:17they were doing

00:41:18it was absolutely necessary

00:41:21that the boys

00:41:21were even more cynical

00:41:23for a reason

00:41:23very simple

00:41:24that they couldn't

00:41:25don't be upset.

00:41:27Let's kill dad

00:41:28and then we go dancing

00:41:30let's have an evening

00:41:31with the twist.

00:41:32This is absolutely absurd.

00:41:33All the more so

00:41:34that during the subsequent stages

00:41:36of the investigations

00:41:36the two boys

00:41:37they never confessed anything

00:41:39they never collapsed

00:41:41they have never had

00:41:42a moment of weakness.

00:41:43Now how can it be done?

00:41:44support this

00:41:45it's absurd.

00:41:46Then we come

00:41:48at Capelletti

00:41:49which can also

00:41:50having killed with the left.

00:41:52So you get ready

00:41:53to kill a gentleman

00:41:54with the hand

00:41:56which usually

00:41:57you are not used to using.

00:41:59It's absurd.

00:42:00And then the policeman

00:42:01let's put it in

00:42:02that he doesn't have

00:42:02a quantum of intelligence

00:42:04of 500

00:42:04but I think

00:42:06that after having known

00:42:07Mrs. Redoli

00:42:08it seems to me

00:42:09after two or three months

00:42:10frequented poison

00:42:11ten times

00:42:12ten times in all

00:42:13maybe nine

00:42:14and lets himself be convinced

00:42:15to kill

00:42:16the lady's husband

00:42:18with whom he had

00:42:19either three or four ratios.

00:42:20There are too many things here

00:42:21impossible.

00:42:22Feltri no

00:42:23on this last point

00:42:23don't forget

00:42:24that there weren't

00:42:25only three or four

00:42:26middle relationships

00:42:27but also quite a bit

00:42:27of money.

00:42:29I understand

00:42:29but he's a policeman

00:42:30I am trying to say

00:42:31he knew what trouble he was in

00:42:33he was going to meet

00:42:33there was also money

00:42:34but you can't improvise

00:42:36a crime

00:42:36meeting about three or four times

00:42:38making three little diagrams

00:42:39with his arm in a cast

00:42:40with a series

00:42:41with the boys in the car

00:42:42he could trust

00:42:43of the lady

00:42:44but also some boys

00:42:45but how many things

00:42:46he had to trust

00:42:47this policeman

00:42:47Excuse me

00:42:48I can say it

00:42:48then he's an idiot

00:42:50but it doesn't seem like it to me

00:42:50from how he responds

00:42:51that he is an idiot

00:42:52then if he's an idiot

00:42:54it must be so to the very end

00:42:55and since he is not behaving

00:42:57like an idiot

00:42:57it's absurd to think

00:42:58that it was at the moment

00:42:59of the crime

00:43:00the lady has not

00:43:01a beautiful figure

00:43:02it's not a figure

00:43:03morally

00:43:04and humanly appreciable

00:43:05but that doesn't mean

00:43:06that he is also a murderer

00:43:08I how can it be

00:43:09take into account

00:43:10of the testimony

00:43:11of a magician

00:43:12which

00:43:13receives 15 million

00:43:16promising a killer

00:43:18and then these 15 million

00:43:20he doesn't give them back

00:43:20not even when the lady

00:43:21he was sentenced

00:43:22to life imprisonment

00:43:23we listen to this guy

00:43:24and let's listen to a lady

00:43:26which also says

00:43:27that Mrs. Redoli

00:43:28she was crazy

00:43:29that he needed

00:43:29of a doctor

00:43:30but until then

00:43:31who received 50 thousand lire

00:43:33of alms per day

00:43:33from Mrs. Redoli

00:43:34this witch though

00:43:35he never expressed

00:43:36these concepts

00:43:37to Mrs. Redoli

00:43:38and exploited it

00:43:39and they are used

00:43:40these two gentlemen

00:43:41as witnesses against the prosecution

00:43:42and it is taken into account

00:43:43I find it

00:43:44indecent

00:43:45indecent

00:43:46Franca Selvatici

00:43:47I'm sorry to play the part

00:43:49after the passionate

00:43:50ringa

00:43:50by Vittorio Feltri

00:43:52that maybe

00:43:52should have intervened

00:43:54the court too

00:43:55lawyer

00:43:57I apologize

00:43:59Yes

00:44:00ready?

00:44:01Good evening

00:44:01Dr. Auger

00:44:02I'm Franca

00:44:03from Domodossolo

00:44:06go ahead and say it

00:44:06say Franca too

00:44:07Yes

00:44:07we listen to it

00:44:08listen

00:44:09I wanted to ask a question

00:44:10which intrigued me

00:44:12since there was

00:44:13this sentence

00:44:14I wanted to know

00:44:15How come

00:44:16Mrs. Redoli

00:44:18and Mr. Capelletti

00:44:19that have been

00:44:20condemned

00:44:21in the prison

00:44:22it's house arrest

00:44:24and not in prison

00:44:25wait for him to tell you

00:44:27Lawyer Lena

00:44:27who knows these things

00:44:29it's not house arrest

00:44:30here tell him

00:44:32after the sentence

00:44:34of condemnation

00:44:34the court held

00:44:36of having to

00:44:36to submit

00:44:37the defendants

00:44:38to some obligations

00:44:39these obligations

00:44:40consist of

00:44:41in not being able to move

00:44:42from the municipality

00:44:43from Forte dei Marmi

00:44:44in having to

00:44:45undergo

00:44:45three times

00:44:46per week

00:44:47to the obligation

00:44:48of signature

00:44:49at the barracks

00:44:50of the carabinieri

00:44:52Thank you

00:44:53Franca Selvatici

00:44:54let's resume the discussion

00:44:56where Vittorio Feltri

00:44:57he had interrupted it

00:44:58Certain

00:44:58I'm sorry

00:45:00to play the part

00:45:01of the lawyer

00:45:02of the devil

00:45:02this evening

00:45:03and I want to preface

00:45:05that I would have expected

00:45:06a sentence

00:45:07of acquittal

00:45:08but I would have expected

00:45:10a sentence

00:45:11of acquittal

00:45:12like a surrender

00:45:13Why

00:45:15I understand

00:45:16That

00:45:16the judges

00:45:18they also had

00:45:20in addition to all

00:45:20the elements

00:45:21that Feltri

00:45:22he listed

00:45:23in front of them

00:45:24of the elements

00:45:25absolutely

00:45:26contrasting

00:45:27compared to these

00:45:28they had therefore

00:45:30reason

00:45:31to dig

00:45:32and dig

00:45:33and try

00:45:34to understand

00:45:34even more

00:45:35as they tried

00:45:36to do

00:45:37in this process

00:45:37of appeal

00:45:38who saw

00:45:40the renewal

00:45:41almost total

00:45:42of the debate

00:45:43and first

00:45:4426

00:45:45and then others

00:45:4625 hours

00:45:47of the Chamber

00:45:47of the Council

00:45:48in all

00:45:48over 50 hours

00:45:49of the Chamber

00:45:50of the Council

00:45:50which in my opinion

00:45:52they also want

00:45:53mean

00:45:54that these judges

00:45:54they tried

00:45:55to do what we can

00:45:57and the impossible

00:45:58to arrive

00:45:58to a truth

00:45:59which in my opinion

00:46:01still eluded

00:46:02in the end

00:46:03but they

00:46:03they really have us

00:46:04tried

00:46:05what are the elements

00:46:06of contrast

00:46:06compared to those

00:46:08that Feltri

00:46:09listed

00:46:10has so effectively

00:46:11exposed

00:46:12very effectively

00:46:13exposed

00:46:14I have to say

00:46:15that in the course

00:46:16of the process

00:46:17of appeal

00:46:19the public too

00:46:22ministry

00:46:23he exposed

00:46:23very effectively

00:46:25In my opinion

00:46:25I don't know if the lawyer

00:46:26he agrees

00:46:27the elements

00:46:29of accusation

00:46:29he spoke

00:46:31of a

00:46:31of an investigation

00:46:33of a yellow

00:46:34of a crime

00:46:34in which

00:46:35there is a mandate

00:46:37to kill

00:46:38with payment

00:46:38anticipated

00:46:39and in which

00:46:41on closer inspection

00:46:42there is also

00:46:42a confession

00:46:44what is the confession?

00:46:46the confession

00:46:46according to the

00:46:48the magistrate

00:46:50that's it

00:46:51phone call

00:46:51which was talked about

00:46:52Before

00:46:53which was

00:46:54intercepted

00:46:55from the police

00:46:56a few days

00:46:57after the crime

00:46:58and in which

00:46:59the lady

00:47:00the lady

00:47:01Redoli

00:47:02calling

00:47:03the magician

00:47:04Portigati

00:47:05he says

00:47:06Why

00:47:06let's be clear

00:47:07not at all

00:47:07they were

00:47:08They

00:47:10Well

00:47:10among other things

00:47:12in the video

00:47:13there is a small one

00:47:14inaccuracy

00:47:15when the lady

00:47:17Leusini

00:47:18he interviewed

00:47:19the magician

00:47:20Vehicles

00:47:20he said

00:47:21that the lady

00:47:23Redoli

00:47:24he didn't have them

00:47:25never asked

00:47:26nor death spell

00:47:27nor manifested

00:47:28the intention

00:47:28to kill

00:47:29the husband

00:47:29but at the trial

00:47:31first degree

00:47:31there is a testimony

00:47:33of this

00:47:34magician

00:47:34Vehicles

00:47:35what does he say?

00:47:36textually

00:47:36the lady

00:47:37he asked me

00:47:37if he could do it

00:47:38a deadly spell

00:47:39against her husband

00:47:40the lady

00:47:41he told me

00:47:42if she doesn't do it

00:47:43I'll kill him

00:47:43my husband

00:47:44he had an attitude

00:47:45Freddo

00:47:46Calm

00:47:46as if he took

00:47:48a coffee

00:47:49Here you are

00:47:50then sorry

00:47:51I'll interrupt for a moment

00:47:52Franca

00:47:53just to say

00:47:54that then

00:47:54the testimonies

00:47:55let's say

00:47:55accusatory

00:47:56negative

00:47:57of the magicians

00:47:58I am no longer

00:47:59two out of three

00:48:00but three out of three

00:48:00and it seems to me

00:48:02that this is

00:48:03indisputable

00:48:04because it was said

00:48:05in a classroom

00:48:05of the assize court

00:48:06Well

00:48:07but then you see

00:48:08who lied to me

00:48:09that is why he

00:48:10he lied

00:48:11it was being retold

00:48:12he said

00:48:13On the contrary

00:48:14that the lady

00:48:14Redoli

00:48:14it was always there

00:48:15express

00:48:16with him

00:48:17in positive terms

00:48:18really

00:48:18that he had tried

00:48:19Of

00:48:21helpful

00:48:22in front of her husband

00:48:23in short even

00:48:23help

00:48:24for difficult times

00:48:25for health

00:48:26and never

00:48:28no hint

00:48:29so

00:48:29hypothesis

00:48:31criminal

00:48:31or anyway

00:48:32Like this

00:48:33unpleasant

00:48:34negative

00:48:34towards her husband

00:48:35I didn't know

00:48:35that he had said

00:48:36this to her

00:48:37that is, he

00:48:37undoubtedly

00:48:38I didn't go to compare it

00:48:39just when I saw

00:48:40the interviews

00:48:40or it contradicts itself

00:48:41or it contradicts itself

00:48:43with him

00:48:44In short

00:48:44he told me

00:48:45a lie

00:48:45or he said it in court

00:48:46I do not know

00:48:47since in court

00:48:49he was under oath

00:48:50maybe

00:48:50but with me

00:48:51stands before many

00:48:52and many millions

00:48:53of spectators

00:48:53who listen to him

00:48:54so I don't know

00:48:55where it is most compromised

00:48:56in short he is a person

00:48:57what he did

00:48:58certain statements

00:49:00who knows if we could

00:49:01call

00:49:02or if he called

00:49:03but I don't think so

00:49:04who will want it

00:49:05Perhaps

00:49:05please Franco

00:49:06Well

00:49:06so there are

00:49:07these elements

00:49:08this mandate

00:49:09to kill

00:49:10with advance payment

00:49:11which is not

00:49:12the testimony

00:49:14of the magician Portigati

00:49:15the lady

00:49:17good or bad

00:49:17he admitted it

00:49:18he admitted it

00:49:19saying that she

00:49:20he didn't understand anything

00:49:21when he went

00:49:22from this magician

00:49:22and it may also be

00:49:23that actually

00:49:24he made her drink

00:49:25who knows what

00:49:26but it is certain that she

00:49:27he admitted it

00:49:28that there is this check

00:49:29of 15 million

00:49:30and that these requests

00:49:32they have not been

00:49:34Like this

00:49:34those of a moment

00:49:36a moment of weakness

00:49:37as he said

00:49:38the lady several times

00:49:39but they continued

00:49:41in the course

00:49:41more and more months

00:49:43it seems like more than a year

00:49:46based on these

00:49:47testimonies

00:49:48of magicians

00:49:49various

00:49:50Therefore

00:49:51a will

00:49:52to kill

00:49:53it seems to me

00:49:53Very

00:49:54very precise

00:49:55it seems to me

00:49:56own

00:49:57indisputable

00:49:58it's so true

00:49:58sorry but

00:49:59the will

00:49:59it can't be

00:50:01condemned for the will

00:50:02in fact it cannot be

00:50:03with the electric chair

00:50:04probably many of us

00:50:05they should have it in the living room

00:50:06in fact I'm telling you

00:50:07that maybe I would have

00:50:09waiting for a solution

00:50:10actually I would have done it

00:50:11waiting for a solution

00:50:12so you have to be careful

00:50:13not to confuse intentions

00:50:15with facts

00:50:15anyway anyway

00:50:16in my opinion that one

00:50:17next phone call

00:50:18it's something more

00:50:19that the sign

00:50:21of an intention

00:50:21but the problem

00:50:23the problem

00:50:24really big

00:50:25what I pose

00:50:26to you

00:50:26and that I believe

00:50:27are placed

00:50:27the judges themselves

00:50:28is that of these intentions

00:50:30of these wills

00:50:32it couldn't be done

00:50:33ignore

00:50:34during the investigation

00:50:35during the process

00:50:36it couldn't be pretended

00:50:37that they did not exist

00:50:38during the investigation

00:50:39yes Franca

00:50:40but not for the purposes

00:50:41of a sentence

00:50:41of condemnation

00:50:42for the love of God

00:50:43we can agree on this

00:50:44but the first instance judges

00:50:45they liquidated

00:50:46the thing saying

00:50:47in four hours

00:50:49in four hours

00:50:49saying

00:50:50in the sentence

00:50:51saying

00:50:51but the lady

00:50:52when the prosecutor

00:50:55manzione

00:50:55he arrested her daughter

00:50:56due to reticence

00:50:57for one night

00:50:58the lady

00:50:58he got very angry

00:50:59he got very angry

00:51:01he called Cappelletti

00:51:02that I believe

00:51:02he was in Rome at the moment

00:51:04or something like that

00:51:05and told him

00:51:05I'm going to get the gun

00:51:08I shoot him

00:51:09to this magistrate

00:51:11what a ruin

00:51:11a girl's life

00:51:1219 years old

00:51:13and the first instance judges

00:51:17they say

00:51:17yes but that

00:51:18it was a vent

00:51:18proves that she is a lady

00:51:20impetuous

00:51:21that he doesn't even know

00:51:23contain the words

00:51:24etc.

00:51:25this is the proof

00:51:26that even when

00:51:27he asked to kill

00:51:29the husband

00:51:29then he was not fully conscious

00:51:30Of

00:51:31Of

00:51:32Of

00:51:32what does he answer?

00:51:33in this phone call

00:51:34of this too

00:51:35but what do you want to do

00:51:37you want to ruin our life

00:51:38you don't think about your son

00:51:39that is in the belly

00:51:40here is an element

00:51:41who didn't come

00:51:43out

00:51:44and let's put

00:51:44let's get it out now

00:51:45and this is another one too

00:51:47element

00:51:47maybe it would be interesting

00:51:49ask the lady

00:51:50at that moment

00:51:51Mr.

00:51:53Capelletti was convinced

00:51:54that the lady

00:51:54redoli

00:51:55was expecting a child

00:51:56from him

00:51:56Wait

00:51:57Mrs. Redoli

00:51:59this is true

00:52:00what does he say?

00:52:01frank

00:52:01wild

00:52:04Lady

00:52:05he hears me

00:52:05It is true

00:52:07what a hair

00:52:08he was convinced

00:52:08that she

00:52:09was expecting a child

00:52:10from him

00:52:12no it wasn't true

00:52:15it wasn't true

00:52:16frank

00:52:17it may not have been true

00:52:18I told him

00:52:19but it wasn't true

00:52:20ah she had told him

00:52:22but it wasn't true

00:52:22and why he told her

00:52:26to waste time

00:52:28to waste time

00:52:30Exactly

00:52:30you can waste time

00:52:33I'm confused

00:52:34what does lawyer mean?

00:52:35what does it mean

00:52:35no I don't even understand it

00:52:36he doesn't understand it

00:52:37nervous

00:52:38he doesn't even understand it

00:52:39the lawyer

00:52:39Lawyer Mazzini

00:52:40Carducci

00:52:41she understands it

00:52:42no to waste time

00:52:43I don't even understand it

00:52:45I

00:52:45cappelletti

00:52:46why doesn't it make us understand

00:52:49I simply said

00:52:51to waste time

00:52:52he asks him a little

00:52:53to that lady

00:52:54which is nearby

00:52:55what is his name

00:52:56that journalist

00:52:57there that insists so much

00:52:58he asks him a little

00:53:00what else did I say

00:53:01Here you are

00:53:01if anything that's important

00:53:03he asks him a little

00:53:04the sequel

00:53:04that's what I asked for

00:53:05Wait

00:53:06but I also said

00:53:07but you can ruin

00:53:07our life

00:53:08you can ruin us

00:53:09no no no

00:53:11say more

00:53:13Wait

00:53:13go take notes

00:53:14I remember this

00:53:15no sorry for a moment

00:53:15excuse me a moment

00:53:16he had to bring them

00:53:17notes first

00:53:17I have them

00:53:18cappelletti

00:53:19she say it

00:53:19which obviously

00:53:21from memory

00:53:21it does not matter

00:53:22cappelletti

00:53:23she say it

00:53:23what else did he say

00:53:25it's all recorded

00:53:27yes I understood

00:53:27but since

00:53:28now we

00:53:29the recording

00:53:29we don't have it on hand

00:53:31she remembers it

00:53:31say it

00:53:32I can say it from memory

00:53:33I

00:53:34Certain

00:53:34Here you are

00:53:35then he told him

00:53:36but do you think so?

00:53:37put it in your head

00:53:39to kill a man

00:53:40to kill a man

00:53:42to kill a person

00:53:43but you realize it

00:53:45what are you talking about?

00:53:46Here you are

00:53:46of this lawyer

00:53:49Carducci

00:53:50we have

00:53:50certain testimony

00:53:52let's say

00:53:54it was a phone call

00:53:55intercepted

00:53:56Yes

00:53:57it's a phone call

00:53:58intercepted

00:53:59filters

00:54:00but that the lady

00:54:01he wanted

00:54:01to kill her husband

00:54:03it doesn't mean

00:54:03that he killed him

00:54:04I am trying to say

00:54:05it is an element

00:54:06completely irrelevant

00:54:07when you look for them

00:54:08the guilty

00:54:09of a crime

00:54:10of a murder

00:54:11you have to find

00:54:12at least

00:54:12the rag

00:54:13of a test

00:54:14there is no proof here

00:54:15there are only

00:54:16some jokes

00:54:17there are fragments

00:54:18of registration

00:54:19telephone

00:54:20that mean nothing

00:54:21taken

00:54:22in an avulsive way

00:54:24from a context

00:54:25that it can be

00:54:26explain better

00:54:27what happened

00:54:28Therefore

00:54:29in doing the math

00:54:30the judges

00:54:31they had to above all

00:54:31understand

00:54:33if in the arch

00:54:34half an hour

00:54:35it was possible

00:54:36do all things

00:54:37that are attributed to them

00:54:38this is the clear point

00:54:40listen Feltri

00:54:41you have to explain it to me

00:54:42you must remember me well

00:54:43why do you say

00:54:44within half an hour

00:54:45who establishes

00:54:47the terms

00:54:48from which

00:54:49and to which

00:54:50what they do

00:54:5030 minutes

00:54:51It seems to me that the answer

00:54:52let it be simple

00:54:53the testimony

00:54:54of the owner

00:54:55of the hotel

00:54:56of the pension

00:54:57Santo Domingo

00:54:59he claims

00:54:59of having seen

00:55:01go out

00:55:01Mrs. Redoli

00:55:03and Mr.

00:55:04Cappelletti

00:55:05at o'clock

00:55:0621 and 30

00:55:0721 and 30

00:55:09and about

00:55:10minute more

00:55:11minute less

00:55:13the couple was seen

00:55:14enter the compass

00:55:16two minutes before 10

00:55:18or two minutes after 10

00:55:20so the half hour

00:55:21about this half hour

00:55:22it's not raining

00:55:23it is also established

00:55:25that at 9.45pm

00:55:28Mr. Jacopi

00:55:30he was alive

00:55:30why he spoke

00:55:32with his girlfriend

00:55:33and then

00:55:33it seems to me that

00:55:34let there be no doubt

00:55:35about this half hour

00:55:36but does it seem possible to you?

00:55:37that in this half hour

00:55:39this couple

00:55:40managed to do

00:55:41all these things

00:55:41so good

00:55:42without making any mistakes

00:55:43really

00:55:44not leaving

00:55:45a drop of blood

00:55:46I would like to add

00:55:47one more thing

00:55:47to give support to felts

00:55:49moreover

00:55:49they met

00:55:52under Jacopi's house

00:55:54that is, under their house

00:55:55at 9.45pm

00:55:56they crossed paths

00:55:58with the car

00:55:58of the carabinieri

00:55:59they didn't know

00:56:01that the carabinieri

00:56:02they hadn't seen them

00:56:03for them

00:56:03they had seen each other

00:56:04so much so that the lady

00:56:05Redoli says

00:56:06oh pudda

00:56:07Now

00:56:08once they had been

00:56:09seen by the Carabinieri

00:56:10it was just the case

00:56:12that on that evening

00:56:13they had to kill

00:56:14that very evening

00:56:14by now they had been seen

00:56:16for them

00:56:17Therefore

00:56:17kill that night

00:56:19it was an element

00:56:20they couldn't wait

00:56:2115 days

00:56:22when Mr. Cappelletti

00:56:23would have had

00:56:24the right hand

00:56:25a little more robust

00:56:27they had been seen by the police

00:56:29always given

00:56:31That

00:56:32I'm doing

00:56:33the devil's advocate

00:56:34and that I

00:56:34I would appreciate it then

00:56:35to be a defender

00:56:36I was surprised

00:56:38that she was like that

00:56:39I was listening

00:56:40my contradictors

00:56:41my contradictory

00:56:42no but go ahead and speak up

00:56:43when he thinks it is right

00:56:44let's hear Franca

00:56:45and then immediately after

00:56:46the lawyer

00:56:46At that time

00:56:47first

00:56:47I report

00:56:49in this case

00:56:49the prosecution's positions

00:56:51It seems to me that they are never

00:56:52these positions emerged

00:56:53why not wait

00:56:5415 days

00:56:55second

00:56:56the accusation

00:56:57they couldn't wait

00:56:5915 days

00:56:59why Mr. Iacopi

00:57:02he was about to take

00:57:03a very important decision

00:57:05for Mrs. Redoli

00:57:07this is what emerged

00:57:09especially from the testimony

00:57:11of Mrs. Everything

00:57:12the decision was

00:57:15that there had been

00:57:16an argument

00:57:17an argument

00:57:17a few days

00:57:18before the crime

00:57:19and that day

00:57:21the day of the crime

00:57:22to Mrs. Tutto Bene

00:57:23in Follonica

00:57:24that is, to her friend

00:57:25Iacopi said

00:57:27Tomorrow

00:57:28I'll clarify everything

00:57:29with my wife

00:57:31the judges

00:57:33of the Assize Court

00:57:34of appeal

00:57:35they did

00:57:35the possible

00:57:36and the impossible

00:57:36to try to understand

00:57:38if of this

00:57:39alleged clarification

00:57:41the next day

00:57:42Mrs. Redoli

00:57:43had been previously

00:57:44informed by her husband

00:57:46of what it could be

00:57:48to treat oneself

00:57:49it's not clear

00:57:50but it seems to understand

00:57:51that he wanted to break up

00:57:52Yes okay sorry

00:57:53but it's not the ultimatum

00:57:54by Busha Saddam Hussein

00:57:55I am trying to say

00:57:56then he doesn't change

00:57:57the separation

00:57:57But the lady

00:57:59Iacopi was so used to it

00:58:00now I want to say it

00:58:01I'm sorry about Mrs. Redoli

00:58:02but he was so used to it

00:58:03to unscrupulous conduct

00:58:05by Mrs. Redoli

00:58:06what I want to say

00:58:06at a certain point

00:58:07more betrayal

00:58:08one less betrayal

00:58:09it's not that the thing

00:58:10to move around a lot

00:58:10I do not know

00:58:11I invented it

00:58:12that the lady

00:58:13Everything OK

00:58:14he said

00:58:16that he couldn't take it anymore

00:58:17to see each other buzzing

00:58:18around that young man

00:58:19others had buzzed

00:58:21I am trying to say

00:58:22evidently

00:58:23that gave him

00:58:23more boredom

00:58:24of the others

00:58:25I think

00:58:26Lawyer Lera

00:58:26it is necessary

00:58:30starting from an observation

00:58:32the court of Assisi

00:58:34of appeal

00:58:34after an argument

00:58:38of the Attorney General

00:58:40of the defense

00:58:40he went to the council chamber

00:58:42she stayed for 25 hours

00:58:45in the council chamber

00:58:46he arranged

00:58:47a renewal

00:58:48partial

00:58:49of the debate

00:58:50which in concrete terms

00:58:51it was a renewal

00:58:52total

00:58:52because he thought

00:58:53of having to hear again

00:58:55the texts that really

00:58:56they had a meaning

00:58:57and an importance

00:58:58in the story

00:58:59he let off steam

00:59:01to this renewal

00:59:02I repeat

00:59:03total of the debate

00:59:04I wonder

00:59:05and I asked

00:59:06at the court

00:59:07What

00:59:08he found himself

00:59:09moreover

00:59:10again

00:59:11of different

00:59:12compared to that

00:59:13which had been acquired

00:59:14in the course

00:59:15of the procedure

00:59:15first degree

00:59:16and the answer

00:59:18can be

00:59:20calmly given

00:59:21observing

00:59:22the minutes of the trial

00:59:23Franca Selvati

00:59:24he was present there

00:59:25it could be for me

00:59:25good witness

00:59:26that the new renewal

00:59:28he didn't bring

00:59:29the slightest element

00:59:30in addition

00:59:31compared to that

00:59:32which was a previous situation

00:59:33I would like to say

00:59:33that if an element

00:59:34he brought it

00:59:35this was

00:59:36a favorable element

00:59:37why the marshal is aiming

00:59:38asked

00:59:39on what was

00:59:40the intensity

00:59:41of vehicular traffic

00:59:42in Versiglia

00:59:43he literally said

00:59:45that after hours

00:59:4621 and 30

00:59:47in the month of July

00:59:49and especially

00:59:50in mid-July

00:59:51traffic in Versiglia

00:59:52it is done particularly

00:59:54intense

00:59:54and then

00:59:56if this

00:59:57Council Chamber

00:59:59who gave birth

01:00:00an ordinance

01:00:01of renewal

01:00:02of the debate

01:00:04sees follow

01:00:05the renewal

01:00:06of the debate

01:00:07and also sees

01:00:07that no result

01:00:09is brought

01:00:10and any contribution

01:00:12is acquired

01:00:13nor under one profile

01:00:14accusatory

01:00:14nor under one profile

01:00:15defensive

01:00:16I wonder

01:00:17What

01:00:19then the Court

01:00:20he thought

01:00:21to be able to decide

01:00:22in the remaining ones

01:00:2325 hours

01:00:24at the end

01:00:24of which

01:00:25has issued

01:00:26a sentence

01:00:26of condemnation

01:00:27to life imprisonment

01:00:27the cause

01:00:29and the story

01:00:30suffers from many

01:00:31suggestions

01:00:31and of these suggestions

01:00:33it was full of it

01:00:34this broadcast too

01:00:35from the keys

01:00:36from the problem

01:00:37of the magicians

01:00:38from the problem

01:00:39of the inquiries

01:00:40esoteric

01:00:41from the problem

01:00:42of payments

01:00:43of the killer

01:00:44but the cause

01:00:45he needs

01:00:46of an evaluation

01:00:48rigorous

01:00:49in relation

01:00:50to those who are

01:00:50safe acquisitions

01:00:52testimonials

01:00:53and try

01:00:54and then

01:00:55let's start saying

01:00:56to our friend

01:00:57and excellent co-defender

01:00:58Dr. Feltri

01:00:59that the times

01:01:00they are not

01:01:01half an hour

01:01:01the times

01:01:03I am significantly

01:01:04reduced

01:01:04and now

01:01:05I'll tell her

01:01:05the reason

01:01:06there is no doubt

01:01:08That

01:01:08this man

01:01:09Jacobi

01:01:10don't take

01:01:11this momentum

01:01:12from ringa

01:01:13of court

01:01:13no no no no

01:01:14absolutely

01:01:14tell her in summary

01:01:16why are they missing

01:01:16a few minutes

01:01:17about ten minutes

01:01:18the problem

01:01:20is that

01:01:20the Jacopi

01:01:21he's alive

01:01:22at 9.45pm

01:01:23and on this

01:01:24it seems there is

01:01:25concordance

01:01:26yes agreement

01:01:28let's say

01:01:29for convenience

01:01:30for discussion

01:01:31because then

01:01:31could be

01:01:32even questionable

01:01:33but let's forget it

01:01:349.45pm

01:01:35he's alive

01:01:35there is an expert opinion

01:01:37thanatological

01:01:38that fails

01:01:40to stare

01:01:40the age of death

01:01:41through various criteria

01:01:43he will say that

01:01:44it can be achieved

01:01:45between 8pm

01:01:47and 12 am

01:01:48in recent times

01:01:50probably

01:01:51after not long

01:01:53since

01:01:53he consumed

01:01:54the dinner

01:01:56At that time

01:01:57we have to

01:01:59correlate

01:01:59this time

01:02:009.45pm

01:02:02date of the phone call

01:02:04done

01:02:05from Jacopi

01:02:06in a moment

01:02:07in which

01:02:08Certainly

01:02:09the Jacopi

01:02:09he's alive

01:02:10and correlate it

01:02:11I was saying

01:02:12immediately after

01:02:13at another time

01:02:14historically

01:02:15procedurally

01:02:16confirmed

01:02:16which one is that

01:02:17of a

01:02:18redoli

01:02:19of a cappelletti

01:02:21of the two children

01:02:21of redoli

01:02:22that at 10pm

01:02:23I'm there

01:02:25at the disco

01:02:26the police

01:02:28on the 12th

01:02:29September 1989

01:02:31he operated

01:02:33an experiment

01:02:34and that is

01:02:35he calculated

01:02:36the times

01:02:37between the house

01:02:38of Jacopi

01:02:39provincial road

01:02:40and the compass

01:02:41the times

01:02:42established

01:02:43from the police

01:02:44with his experiment

01:02:45I am from

01:02:469 minutes

01:02:47and 20

01:02:489 minutes

01:02:49and 30 seconds

01:02:51and then

01:02:52it seems to me

01:02:52that it is appropriate

01:02:54That

01:02:54at 9pm

01:02:55and 45

01:02:56moment in which

01:02:57the Jacopi

01:02:58he's alive

01:02:58and moment

01:02:59which does not match

01:03:01with that

01:03:01of his descent

01:03:02which will have happened

01:03:03I would say

01:03:04one minute

01:03:04two minutes later

01:03:05I calculate everything

01:03:06in a manner

01:03:06extremely cautious

01:03:08that is to say

01:03:099 and 46

01:03:109 and 47

01:03:11if we join

01:03:12the 10 minutes

01:03:13of travel

01:03:14I said before

01:03:15that the police

01:03:16He's talking about 9 minutes

01:03:17and 20 seconds

01:03:18I round to 10

01:03:19why is he thrown away

01:03:20the bag too

01:03:21with the wallet inside

01:03:23then a stop

01:03:24that the police

01:03:25he certainly didn't do it

01:03:26the 10 seconds

01:03:2710 minutes

01:03:289.46pm

01:03:3021 and 47

01:03:31moments in which

01:03:32may have been attracted

01:03:33plus 10 minutes

01:03:35I'm 21 and 57

01:03:36now you will have to explain it to me

01:03:38the assize court

01:03:39of appeal

01:03:40as

01:03:41place that

01:03:42two people

01:03:43witnesses

01:03:44totally indifferent

01:03:45to what is

01:03:46the position

01:03:47Redoli or Cappelletti

01:03:48and exactly

01:03:49Butricchi and Delfredo

01:03:50which have

01:03:51affirmed

01:03:53from the very first moment

01:03:54that these people

01:03:55they arrived

01:03:55at 10pm

01:03:57if she says the names

01:03:58it is not clear

01:03:59those two names

01:03:59who said

01:04:00I am the director

01:04:01of the compass

01:04:02and another employee

01:04:03of the compass

01:04:04then they said

01:04:06from the very first moment

01:04:07from the very first moment

01:04:08they stated

01:04:09that they have arrived

01:04:10to the compass

01:04:12at 10pm

01:04:12ask yourself

01:04:14of why

01:04:14they remembered

01:04:15with precision

01:04:16because they were

01:04:17the first customers

01:04:18and ask yourself

01:04:19of why

01:04:20they remembered

01:04:21Exactly

01:04:2110pm

01:04:22he replied

01:04:23because the time

01:04:24opening

01:04:24It's 10pm

01:04:25we are rather

01:04:26rigorous

01:04:27in the opening

01:04:27to the utmost

01:04:28there may be

01:04:29a tolerance

01:04:30of 1-2

01:04:30lawyer

01:04:31listen

01:04:31This

01:04:33you meant to say

01:04:34one thing

01:04:35I wanted to say

01:04:36two things

01:04:36if I may

01:04:37I try to be

01:04:38very fast

01:04:39In my opinion

01:04:40the lawyer

01:04:40he's right

01:04:41when he says

01:04:41that in the process

01:04:42of appeal

01:04:43it is not immersed

01:04:44Nothing

01:04:45or almost nothing

01:04:46again

01:04:47with respect to the process

01:04:48first degree

01:04:48in my opinion

01:04:49he is immersed

01:04:50a small element

01:04:51which perhaps counted

01:04:52and that's it

01:04:53of the keys

01:04:53the hypothesis

01:04:55of the defense

01:04:56it was based

01:04:57initially

01:04:58on the fact

01:04:59that Mr.

01:05:00Jacobi

01:05:00had come out

01:05:01that day

01:05:02had come out

01:05:03that day

01:05:03as he often did

01:05:04without the keys

01:05:05without his keys

01:05:06I had left them

01:05:07on that shelf

01:05:08at home

01:05:08and then

01:05:08had used

01:05:10for everything else

01:05:10that other deck

01:05:11of keys found

01:05:12then in the pocket

01:05:13of the scooter

01:05:15listen

01:05:16in the process

01:05:17of appeal

01:05:18the lady

01:05:18Everything OK

01:05:19instead he said

01:05:19that day

01:05:21Jacobi

01:05:22he had a deck

01:05:22of keys

01:05:23he didn't know

01:05:23to establish

01:05:24which deck

01:05:24of keys

01:05:25but he had

01:05:25a deck

01:05:26of keys

01:05:27in my opinion

01:05:29the reconstruction

01:05:30of the defense

01:05:31at this point

01:05:32even if possible

01:05:33as he rightly says

01:05:34Lawyer Lena

01:05:35it's very very

01:05:36cumbersome

01:05:37and that is

01:05:38this fact

01:05:39No

01:05:40On the contrary

01:05:41I want to intervene

01:05:42and explain it to us

01:05:43Please

01:05:43because it really is

01:05:45incredible

01:05:46think how it has

01:05:47could have done

01:05:47this gentleman

01:05:48to enter

01:05:49and go out

01:05:49close again

01:05:50the frank end

01:05:51and immediately

01:05:52it doesn't look good

01:05:54I can

01:05:55the second thing

01:05:56I'm telling you

01:05:56the second thing

01:05:57he says it after

01:05:58lawyer

01:05:59Carducci

01:05:59here we are

01:06:00the speech is this

01:06:02the maneuver

01:06:04cumbersome

01:06:04of the keys

01:06:05the first phase

01:06:06what was

01:06:07told

01:06:08even in this one

01:06:09transmission

01:06:10it's just

01:06:12a first part

01:06:13that has nothing

01:06:14what to do

01:06:15with what is

01:06:15the crux of the matter

01:06:17Meaning what

01:06:17the keys

01:06:19he had them in his pocket

01:06:20I don't care

01:06:20I'm fine with that

01:06:21the keys

01:06:22he had brought them to Follonica

01:06:23I don't care

01:06:24I'm fine with that

01:06:25the keys

01:06:26had brought

01:06:26the small ones

01:06:27or the big ones

01:06:28it seems to understand

01:06:29from the deposition

01:06:30which would have brought

01:06:31the big ones

01:06:31anyway, okay

01:06:32had brought

01:06:33that other key

01:06:34I don't care

01:06:34I'm fine with that

01:06:35there is only one point

01:06:38the Jacopi

01:06:40or he had the keys in the house

01:06:42or had brought them with him

01:06:44or had left them

01:06:45in his room

01:06:46or had left them

01:06:47in the scooter pocket

01:06:48wherever you like

01:06:49the essential

01:06:51this is it

01:06:52That

01:06:52having left

01:06:54at home

01:06:55using the big keys

01:06:58up to that point there

01:06:59put the keys

01:07:00wherever you like

01:07:01Here you are

01:07:02you can also give them as gifts

01:07:03to the public prosecutor

01:07:04I'm fine with that

01:07:05but

01:07:05what matters

01:07:07it is at the moment

01:07:08in which

01:07:08he came out

01:07:10he closed

01:07:11him

01:07:12with that deck

01:07:13of keys

01:07:14or closed

01:07:15the killer

01:07:16as the prosecutor says

01:07:18came out

01:07:19if he

01:07:21at a certain point

01:07:22to want to do

01:07:23a walk

01:07:24he used

01:07:25that deck

01:07:26of keys

01:07:27to close

01:07:28the front door

01:07:29and not to

01:07:30to carry it with you

01:07:31they are beautiful

01:07:33heavy

01:07:34heavy

01:07:35he put them

01:07:36in the pocket

01:07:37of the scooter

01:07:38where regularly

01:07:40he put them away himself

01:07:42and no one else

01:07:43Here you are

01:07:44I say

01:07:45where is all the machinery

01:07:46the rest

01:07:48the keys

01:07:48you want to leave them at home

01:07:50you want to leave them

01:07:51in the fountain house

01:07:52you want to leave them

01:07:53and it seems to me that yes

01:07:54okay lawyer

01:07:57Wait

01:07:58thank you lawyer

01:08:01excuse me just for a moment

01:08:03I wanted to finish

01:08:05that kind of reasoning

01:08:06Why

01:08:07I repeat

01:08:0821 and 45

01:08:09plus a couple of minutes

01:08:1121 and 47

01:08:12plus 10 minutes

01:08:1321 and 57

01:08:14at 2

01:08:15they are there

01:08:16I say

01:08:16in 2 minutes

01:08:17you can

01:08:18infer

01:08:19lawyer

01:08:19but she this

01:08:20he clarified to usury

01:08:22it's never enough

01:08:24she knows it's there

01:08:25another hypothesis

01:08:26she knows it's there

01:08:27another hypothesis

01:08:2810pm and 5pm

01:08:29No

01:08:29which then

01:08:31arrived

01:08:31that they were

01:08:32at 10pm there

01:08:33they could be

01:08:34succeeded after

01:08:34and returned

01:08:35this was not

01:08:36never in debt

01:08:37it has never been

01:08:37proposed

01:08:38nor by the public prosecutor

01:08:39nor in its motives

01:08:40of appeal

01:08:41nor by the Attorney General

01:08:42and the rest

01:08:43always aside

01:08:44of the employees

01:08:45of the compass

01:08:45it will be said that these people

01:08:46they never left

01:08:47the place

01:08:48they never left

01:08:49the place

01:08:49why wouldn't they have

01:08:50let's just say it

01:08:51that they would not have

01:08:51could have done it

01:08:52from the emergency exits

01:08:53because they are fenced

01:08:54this has been said

01:08:55the second argument

01:08:57of the Franca

01:08:59leaving for a moment

01:09:00by

01:09:00the key question

01:09:01which in my opinion

01:09:02it is not explained well

01:09:03not even in this case

01:09:04not even from the lawyer Carducci

01:09:06but there is another possibility

01:09:07these gentlemen

01:09:09they leave at 9.30pm

01:09:11from retirement

01:09:12Santo Domingo

01:09:13and instead of going

01:09:13to the compass

01:09:14that is just a stone's throw away

01:09:15they go for a moment

01:09:16in Forte dei Marmi

01:09:17to see if the light

01:09:18is it on or off

01:09:19Very well

01:09:20why they do it

01:09:21it's not clear

01:09:21they say

01:09:22because they knew

01:09:23that until 10

01:09:23the compass did not open

01:09:24but it's not clear

01:09:25then why did they go out

01:09:26first from Santo Domingo

01:09:28however they are actually

01:09:29and rightly so

01:09:30to do their thing

01:09:31the problem

01:09:33and the idea

01:09:34that comes to mind

01:09:35in these cases

01:09:36and that would be corroborated

01:09:38by certain

01:09:39from certain small symptoms

01:09:40is this

01:09:41maybe you didn't want to go

01:09:43maybe he didn't want to go

01:09:44Mrs. Redoli

01:09:45to check

01:09:46something

01:09:47and here it comes out

01:09:49another hypothesis

01:09:50which probably

01:09:51it's a hypothesis

01:09:52only journalistic

01:09:53but why exclude it?

01:09:54but with the hypotheses

01:09:55you can't give a life sentence

01:09:57but I didn't agree

01:09:59on the ergastronomy

01:10:00I understand

01:10:01she is proposing to me

01:10:02some hypotheses

01:10:03no no no

01:10:03I'm proposing it

01:10:04the following hypothesis

01:10:05which in my opinion

01:10:06it came out

01:10:06a moment

01:10:07even at the trial

01:10:07in some rare moment

01:10:10in some rare glimmer

01:10:11and this is it

01:10:12and if Mr. Cappelletti

01:10:14in all this

01:10:15it had nothing to do with it

01:10:15if he had stayed

01:10:16trapped

01:10:17in this whole thing

01:10:18which in reality

01:10:19it was a work

01:10:21only

01:10:22by Mrs. Redoli

01:10:23if there really was one

01:10:25a material executor

01:10:26of the crime

01:10:27that it had to be

01:10:28that was known

01:10:29it had to be done

01:10:30but you can't prove it

01:10:31that evening

01:10:32but you can't prove it

01:10:32I can't prove it

01:10:33I'm making a hypothesis

01:10:34but on the hypothesis

01:10:35as the lawyer says

01:10:36you can't condemn

01:10:37you can't give a life sentence

01:10:38Excuse me

01:10:39I can only say this

01:10:41the only thing

01:10:43what can I tell you

01:10:43why do you go to see

01:10:45to check

01:10:46because you pass in front of the house

01:10:48that evening

01:10:48we don't stop

01:10:49according to what

01:10:50everything must have a reason

01:10:51an explanation of life

01:10:52there is also

01:10:53certain things that are done

01:10:54yes very well

01:10:54only that precisely

01:10:56that evening

01:10:56Mrs. Redoli's husband

01:10:58he was murdered

01:11:00and precisely

01:11:01four days before

01:11:02and if I'm not mistaken

01:11:03the lady

01:11:03he doesn't have this

01:11:05he didn't deny it

01:11:06he said

01:11:06I don't remember

01:11:07if I'm not mistaken

01:11:07four days before

01:11:09the crime

01:11:09and it seems to me that the court

01:11:10of the assize court of appeal

01:11:11after some checks

01:11:13consider it true

01:11:15there was a meeting

01:11:16between the aforementioned magician

01:11:19and the lady

01:11:20during which

01:11:22the lady would have said

01:11:23as the magician says

01:11:25if they don't provide for it

01:11:26that is, the killers

01:11:27that were supposed to be

01:11:28hired in Calabria

01:11:29if they don't provide for it

01:11:31it can also be done

01:11:31with someone

01:11:32from the Viareggio area

01:11:33Yes

01:11:34they're all laughable things

01:11:35but they are all things

01:11:36that somehow

01:11:37have been confirmed

01:11:39at the trial

01:11:39No

01:11:40No

01:11:41No

01:11:41It is not true

01:11:43which have been confirmed

01:11:44he always denied it

01:11:46and that's not it

01:11:47the moment

01:11:48to be redone

01:11:48he said he didn't remember

01:11:49not that he denied it

01:11:50No

01:11:51he always denied it

01:11:52of having had

01:11:53the meeting on the 12th

01:11:54lawyer

01:11:55he didn't remember the lawyer

01:11:56he checked it again

01:11:57also from the minutes

01:11:58No

01:11:59he always denied it

01:12:01well here's something

01:12:02on a fact

01:12:03that we could

01:12:04that we could

01:12:05easily check

01:12:06if the weather

01:12:07would allow us to do so

01:12:08Unfortunately

01:12:08he doesn't allow us to do it

01:12:09thanks Franca

01:12:10Felts

01:12:11a quick tour

01:12:12very quickly

01:12:13I support

01:12:15that the investigations

01:12:16were made

01:12:18very bad

01:12:18so much so that it is true

01:12:19That

01:12:20Mr. Jacopi

01:12:22had a volume

01:12:23of business

01:12:23of approximately 5 billion

01:12:25he was a mediator

01:12:27of real estate

01:12:27it seems that he lent

01:12:29even money

01:12:30wear and tear

01:12:30it was therefore

01:12:31a loan shark

01:12:31and it is possible

01:12:32that he didn't have

01:12:33a notebook

01:12:35where he scored

01:12:36the revenue

01:12:37the exits

01:12:38this notebook

01:12:38if there was

01:12:39he disappeared

01:12:40he disappeared

01:12:40the wallet

01:12:41this wallet

01:12:42mysterious

01:12:43no one looked for it

01:12:44but it is possible

01:12:45really

01:12:46the chalk

01:12:47which was paraded

01:12:48from capelletti

01:12:50in the bathroom

01:12:51of the pension

01:12:53he didn't go

01:12:55no policeman

01:12:57no official

01:12:57of the police

01:12:58to check

01:12:59was delegated

01:13:01the innkeeper

01:13:02to carry out

01:13:02a task

01:13:03of judicial police

01:13:04but it seems to you

01:13:05a normal thing

01:13:06This?

01:13:06frankly no

01:13:07Lawyer Lena

01:13:08Lawyer Lena

01:13:09would like to add

01:13:10another detail

01:13:11the photographs

01:13:13that were taken

01:13:14from the police

01:13:15immediately

01:13:16after the episode

01:13:18they indicate

01:13:18a series

01:13:19consistency

01:13:20of traces of blood

01:13:21that carry

01:13:22from the corpse

01:13:23towards

01:13:24the door

01:13:25of entrance

01:13:26the famous door

01:13:27which overlooks those stairs

01:13:28that carry

01:13:29towards

01:13:30the exit

01:13:31and exactly

01:13:32in the direction

01:13:32of the button

01:13:33of the light

01:13:34some sketches

01:13:35of blood

01:13:36that there are

01:13:36on the back

01:13:38of the Range Rover

01:13:39as a demonstration

01:13:41that he

01:13:41who killed

01:13:42was dripping with blood

01:13:44Well

01:13:45the cappelletti

01:13:47he goes out

01:13:48with certain clothes

01:13:50that come

01:13:50punctually

01:13:51described

01:13:52by

01:13:52of the owner

01:13:54of the center

01:13:55of the pension

01:13:55is seen

01:13:57arrive

01:13:57to the compass

01:13:58with the same

01:13:59clothes

01:14:00as they are

01:14:01states described

01:14:02by

01:14:02of the owner

01:14:03of the pension

01:14:04the redoli

01:14:05equally

01:14:06dressed

01:14:07is seen

01:14:08go out

01:14:08arrive

01:14:09to the compass

01:14:09and return

01:14:10I wonder

01:14:12with that situation

01:14:13as it turns out

01:14:14but it is possible

01:14:15that a drop

01:14:17of blood

01:14:17or more drops

01:14:18of blood

01:14:19they can't

01:14:20to have drawn

01:14:20the clothes

01:14:21in something

01:14:22this is the weight

01:14:22that the judges

01:14:23damage to this element

01:14:24we will read it

01:14:25in the motivation

01:14:26of the sentence

01:14:26when you expect it

01:14:27the motivation

01:14:28I do not know

01:14:30roughly speaking

01:14:3020-30 days

01:14:33frank

01:14:33but I say this

01:14:35but I say this

01:14:35that Maria Luigia

01:14:36Redoli

01:14:37she is a woman

01:14:38which has elevated

01:14:38the scandal

01:14:39to a life system

01:14:41this scandal

01:14:42she may have paid for it

01:14:44probably

01:14:45in this circumstance

01:14:47procedural

01:14:48Why

01:14:48there is no doubt

01:14:50that a judgment

01:14:51True

01:14:51moral

01:14:52may have weighed

01:14:53on criminal proceedings

01:14:54Thank you

01:14:56I wonder

01:14:58the connection

01:14:58the last time

01:14:59with

01:14:59the house

01:15:01of Redoli

01:15:02I don't see it

01:15:03Here you are

01:15:04Mrs. Redoli

01:15:07we have to close

01:15:08this program

01:15:08she wants to do

01:15:11a statement

01:15:12final

01:15:13or I'll do them

01:15:14a question

01:15:16there is something

01:15:17what does it mean

01:15:18conclusion

01:15:20which suggests to her

01:15:22his lawyer

01:15:24I have always said

01:15:25that I am innocent

01:15:26and I say it again

01:15:27even now

01:15:29Cappelletti

01:15:33unfortunately they accuse me

01:15:35of having killed

01:15:35a person

01:15:36gentlemen

01:15:37I have never killed

01:15:39Nobody

01:15:39I am the butcher

01:15:40I did it

01:15:41but a Christian

01:15:42you don't kill yourself like that

01:15:43how he was killed

01:15:45that man

01:15:46I don't know

01:15:48who it was

01:15:50and yet they accuse me

01:15:52Thank you

01:15:53Mrs. Redoli

01:15:55we can wait

01:15:56two things

01:15:57in the end

01:15:58of this discussion

01:15:59we can wait

01:15:59as he reminded us

01:16:00now the lawyer Lena

01:16:01the motivation

01:16:02of the sentence

01:16:03and then we can

01:16:04wait

01:16:05I believe

01:16:06an appeal

01:16:07in Cassation

01:16:08what will be

01:16:09Surely

01:16:10Done

01:16:11this one there

01:16:12it will be the real one

01:16:14answer

01:16:15at least

01:16:15the official one

01:16:16that of justice

01:16:17to this

01:16:18crime

01:16:19for now

01:16:20that for now

01:16:20it comes to her

01:16:21attributed

01:16:22to her

01:16:22what

01:16:23in conclusion

01:16:24I would tell her

01:16:25And

01:16:26even if it isn't

01:16:27I am religious

01:16:28that I hope

01:16:28that God

01:16:28help him

01:16:29because of course

01:16:30she alone

01:16:30not so much

01:16:31she helped herself

01:16:33I hope so too

01:16:34Good night

01:16:35Good night

01:16:36Until we meet again

01:16:38see you next Tuesday

01:16:39see you next Tuesday

01:17:09see you next Tuesday

01:17:39see you next Tuesday

01:18:09see you next Tuesday

01:18:39see you next Tuesday

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