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00:00Let's go to the Make It Right, Call Call, Call Right hotline.
00:03We welcome in Brady Quinn, ladies and gentlemen, former Browns quarterback,
00:06current NFL and college football analyst, Fox Sports, Fox Sports Radio,
00:09Third and Gold Foundation.
00:11Brady, good morning to you.
00:13Good morning, Ken.
00:13I think I heard the tail end of that conversation.
00:16I think we'd all admit, like, everyone doesn't like Michigan, right?
00:20If you're a Ohio State fan, Notre Dame fan, I mean,
00:22I know there's some bad blood between the two,
00:23but we can all agree nobody likes Michigan.
00:26I'm not the biggest Michigan fan,
00:28but Lima would lead you to believe I'm a Michigan fan, which is weird.
00:31Did you get texts from obnoxious Michigan fans
00:35who never really cared about basketball before,
00:37rubbing it in your face that they won a national championship last night?
00:41Okay, I'll start by saying this.
00:43I don't want to defend them, but I do.
00:46The Michigan fans that I know, I've got a brother-in-law who played hockey there.
00:49I've got, you know, obviously, Braylon Edwards and our teammates,
00:51still very close to this day.
00:53They've always also been basketball fans.
00:55Like, I would actually argue that they take great pride in anything Michigan does.
01:01There's a couple other people who, like, one was a baseball player there that I know,
01:05and he would even brag about, pick your sport, like swimming or something.
01:10So I would actually argue that they are pretty proud no matter what it is,
01:16and part of the reason why they'll brag about the other sports or other achievements
01:21is because they want to distract you from whatever the hell just went on with Schroenmore
01:25or whatever other scandal they've got going on.
01:28Usually, it's kind of like a magic trick.
01:30They want you to look over here and not ask you what's happening behind the scenes.
01:32What'd I tell you, Tone?
01:33What'd I tell you?
01:34That's pretty good.
01:35I said it this morning.
01:36Thank you very much.
01:37Brady Quinn joining us on the show.
01:39All right, Brady, number six overall.
01:40What should the Browns do?
01:42Oh, geez.
01:44I would say go with the offensive line.
01:47I just feel like this is a draft where you've got a number of guys that make sense.
01:51I love the tackle out of Utah.
01:54I'm not going to get into the specifics.
01:56Yeah, he's just – every time I've seen him, he's been a road grader.
02:01He's been great at pass protection.
02:03And I think there's a thought nowadays that, like, hey, well,
02:06if we feel like we're good at tackle, he's always going to sit on the bench.
02:09It's like, no, you get your best five out there.
02:11Like, that has been happening at the college level for a while now.
02:15And I think as we've gone to, you know, more of a passing league at every level,
02:20whether that's high school, college, or the NFL, you know,
02:23you just want to get your best five out there.
02:25And you've got guys who've got the ability to be able to play inside despite their length
02:28or despite what their previous experience was and adapt to that,
02:32as long as you feel comfortable with the five that you've got out there.
02:34So he, to me, would make a lot of sense.
02:37I think he's one of the most bullproof prospects in this class.
02:41And I think he would be a big-time need.
02:44I think a lot of people want there to be a decision made at quarterback
02:47or maybe another position.
02:49I think you wait and see what happens this year.
02:52And you will find yourself with a much better class in 2027
02:57for some of the positions that I think most people want,
03:00whether that's a quarterback or a wide receiver.
03:02Would you ignore – not ignore, that's a terrible word.
03:05Would you go away from quarterback altogether this year?
03:08Like day three, would you maybe, I don't know, take a run at a QB?
03:11If one tickled your fancy, are you just going, you know what?
03:14You've got three in that room already.
03:15We don't need a crowd.
03:16We're just moving on to 2027.
03:19No, I think if there's one you love and maybe you've got a little rated higher
03:23or you feel like, hey, this is a guy we'd like to see what he can do.
03:27We don't have expectations for him to play this year, but we can take him.
03:29I mean, you could make the case maybe Shadour fell into that category last year.
03:34So I would not be resistant to that, but it better be a guy, though,
03:40that you see some potential value in.
03:43Otherwise, you're wasting a pick on a guy who's going to basically make the roster
03:47because you want to see what you've got in him, and he's a developmental player,
03:50not a guy that can maybe contribute as a starter.
03:52So that's the only caveat to saying that.
03:55But, yeah, I think this is a big year for the quarterback position in the sense of
03:58you've got to – you're paying Watson, so obviously he should probably start
04:03and play, but I'd love to see more of Shadour.
04:04I'd love to see how he develops.
04:06I'd love to see what he could become.
04:08You know, Dylan Gabriel's been kind of a forgotten man,
04:10but I think if you were going to move him or do something, you know,
04:14now would probably be the time because after the draft happens,
04:17there's not going to be as much trade value in my opinion.
04:20Brady Quinn joined us on the hotline.
04:22So, Jeremiah Love is somebody that we almost all agree.
04:26Like, we'd be shocked if he wasn't a good NFL player.
04:29And it has been rare in the past to take running backs early
04:33because it's considered not a premium position,
04:35and yet there has been a trend in the NFL with running backs becoming back a part of the game,
04:44more formidable, and some taken high,
04:46that maybe the Browns should look at Jeremiah Love at number six.
04:50Do you think that would make any sense?
04:52I'd love to see it.
04:53I personally feel like he's the best overall prospect in this draft class,
04:57and for a myriad of reasons.
04:58I think in this world of the NFL now, you want a back who's able to impact the game,
05:04not only running the football.
05:05I think everyone knows about his home run hitting ability,
05:07his top line speed as a 4-3 guy.
05:10They've seen the hurdles.
05:11They've seen his elusiveness.
05:12To me, it's what he brings to you schematically.
05:15And so for Todd Monken, when you can put him out as a wide receiver,
05:18and he's going to run routes like a wide receiver,
05:22that's tough for any safety, any linebacker who's going to play man-to-man coverage.
05:26And so oftentimes it's going to give you that mismatch you're looking for,
05:29or at least try to help out in the passing game of taking some attention away
05:34from someone else out there because he is such a dynamic playmaker.
05:38So I love just his versatility and what he's able to do as well.
05:43So could it make some sense?
05:44Yeah.
05:45Is it a bigger need maybe than you say O-line, or if we're going for the future,
05:49is that where you want to go?
05:51That's up for Andrew Berry and the rest of the front office.
05:54But I think everyone knows, like, I love Jeremiah Love.
05:57And by the way, I'd say this quickly on that note.
05:59If you didn't go with Love there, Jadarian Price is a hell of a back too.
06:04Like, if you're thinking about another running back,
06:06the other running back in Notre Dame doesn't get as much appreciation,
06:10but he is an absolute menace out there on the field.
06:14I mean, and he's got that style of running that I think is very conducive for the NFL.
06:19He's a one-cut guy.
06:20He's got a little more wiggle than you're accustomed to.
06:22Plays great between the tackles, super efficient, super strong runner,
06:26and he's a very capable player out of the backfield catching the football.
06:30So I think there's a value there, even after Jeremiah Love.
06:33You know, both the running back out of Penn State.
06:37But those guys, too, are very talented backs.
06:39So if you don't go there, I don't think it's the end of the world for the Browns.
06:42I think you could find, you know, potential, you know,
06:45stars later on in this draft, the running back.
06:47Brady Quinn joining us here on the Make It Right called Kyle Wright Hotline.
06:50Let me take a step back for a second.
06:52Going back to quarterbacks, you said you're paying Watson.
06:55He should start and play.
06:57He should probably start and play.
06:59Do you believe that you would start Deshaun Watson week one for this football team?
07:03Yeah, he's the most experienced.
07:04I think if you, again, it's a long-winded conversation.
07:09But ultimately, you've paid him, and you're paying him.
07:12So you've got to kind of see what's still there, in my opinion.
07:16I think if he's healthy and he's able to, then you've got to play him.
07:19And then you can move on to the younger guy, depending on how things go.
07:22But that's how I would see the beginning of the season.
07:24You go with the guy who's got the most experience, the most starts doing it,
07:29and see where he is at, and see if there's anything left to salvage
07:33because of the commitment that you made however many years ago.
07:36That maybe sounds like more of a business decision and answer,
07:40but that's what this league is.
07:41And that's what I think you've got to find out this year
07:45before you start over again next year,
07:47because it's the biggest financial burden.
07:52And so before you kind of move on or see what's there,
07:54I think you've got to kick the tires on that one last time,
07:57and then you can turn it over to Shador,
07:59or then you can turn it over to Dylan Gabriel if he's there as well.
08:03Could it be at all better for Shador if Watson starts the season
08:08and then he comes in?
08:09Is it a chance to maybe catch his breath?
08:12I think it's that, but I think it's also he's not going to be looking over his shoulder.
08:15I think once you make that move, you're in.
08:17You're there.
08:18Like, you don't have to worry about it.
08:20Again, just my opinion.
08:22You know, maybe Todd Munkin and the coaching staff sees it different.
08:25Well, you played it.
08:26We didn't, so I've got to go with you.
08:29But what I'd say is when you start with the veteran, right,
08:32you already know what you pretty much have.
08:34I mean, maybe there's to some degree his health in this system
08:37and what he could do under Munkin, but you've got to start with there.
08:40And then once you turn it over to Shador, whoever's next,
08:43whether it's Dylan Gabriel or him, you know, that's their team.
08:46Like, he doesn't have to look over his shoulder.
08:48Watson's only coming back due to injury or something else
08:51if the team sees that fit, given, again, the contractual obligation.
08:56So that's why I look at it that way,
08:59because I think if you really care about winning,
09:01he probably gives you the best chance to win to start the season.
09:03But at some point, if you've moved on from that
09:05and you feel like he's proven that not to be the case,
09:08then you go with the young guy.
09:09You get him experience.
09:10You see how much, you know, again, either Dylan or Shador,
09:13how much they could grow from that point moving forward.
09:16Brady Quinn with us on the hotline.
09:18I'm not sure what your preconceived notions were on Shador Sanders
09:22before he got drafted.
09:24Obviously, everybody had an opinion about him,
09:26and then somehow he ends up falling to the fifth.
09:28And then he got playing time, had some good moments,
09:31also had some rookie moments as well.
09:33How tough is it going to be for him to have a new offense and a new coach,
09:38or is that something that is exactly what the doctor ordered?
09:42I always think it's difficult.
09:45You know, at this point in time in his career, you're still learning this game.
09:48It's a different game than college.
09:50The way the field's even designed and how you go about, you know,
09:53looking at defenses and reading coverage in defense, it's a transition.
09:56And so, you know, not only are you adapting to that,
09:58you're adapting to last year's offense, the footwork they want to do to play within,
10:02the timing and rhythm of all of that, you know,
10:05adapting to the receivers that you're throwing to, you know,
10:07how they work in and out of cuts.
10:08It's like everyone's different, so the timing's going to be different.
10:11You know, there's some wide receivers that when you throw a five-step plant throw,
10:15or let's say it's three-step and gun plant throw or off one hitch,
10:19sometimes with those guys, if they're a little longer strided,
10:21it might take them longer to get out of the cut.
10:23So you're going to take a little bigger drop.
10:24You know, you can time that up a little easier.
10:26Some guys are quicker, and they're faster than that of it.
10:29So you have to get off that, you know, third step,
10:31hitching back up the throw much faster.
10:33So there's just all those little nuances that you're still adapting to.
10:37And for him to have to learn, again, a new offense, a new language,
10:40a new system, that can be difficult.
10:42And it's one of the reasons why I think when you see a lot of young quarterbacks
10:46in the league, when they have success early on,
10:49it's usually because there's a lot of continuity in the system
10:52and the players around them and the coaching staff.
10:55And unfortunately, that just hasn't been the case for Cleveland
10:57pretty much since they came back in 1999.
11:00Brady Quinn joining us on the show.
11:01What do you think Todd Munkin can do with this offense,
11:04with this team that Kevin Stefanski wasn't able to?
11:09Well, I mean, look, I've got a lot of respect for Kevin Stefanski.
11:12I think he tends to, however, be somewhat stubborn in his ways
11:18of how he wants to do things.
11:20And, you know, I think with Todd Munkin, I like how he opens things up.
11:25I like how he can be a little bit more flexible
11:27and adapts more to his personnel and what they like doing
11:31or what they excel at.
11:33And to me, that's always the sign of a great play caller,
11:36really any great coach, is if you're putting your players in a position
11:39to succeed and not asking them to do things that are outside
11:43of what they do really well.
11:44At least not before they're able to work on it and improve it.
11:46So I think there's those elements of it.
11:48I also feel like with Todd Munkin, you know, he's always been really,
11:53at least in my opinion, again, known as more of an attacking style
11:56of a play caller.
11:58You know, he's not afraid to take shots.
11:59He's not afraid to push the ball down the field.
12:01He's not afraid to do some unique things, too.
12:04You know, Kevin Stefanski's base, you know, coming from that more
12:08Kubiak system and that, you know, ultimately more of that kind of
12:11Shanahan tree, if you really look at it.
12:14You know, the outside zone running game, everything's kind of built off that.
12:16I always kind of wondered how it was going to fit with Deshaun Watson's
12:21skill set, a guy who played primarily his football in college
12:24in the NFL before he got to Cleveland in shotgun.
12:27And it's just, you know, it's documented.
12:29I mean, hell, I called a few NFL games last year, and one of the things we
12:31looked at from the change from Michael Penix, who was almost exclusively in
12:36shotgun and really even the pistol, versus Kirk Cousins when he came in for
12:40him, him being under center, was a two-yard advantage on the rush attempts
12:46for Bijan Robinson when Cousins is under center.
12:49And you see that oftentimes that the running backs, they get it deeper,
12:53they get in a spot where they just are able to hit the hole and accelerate
12:56much better when the quarterback's under center versus in shotgun.
12:59And so when you have this pairing of even though you have the offensive line
13:03and the running back and the system, but you've got a quarterback that doesn't
13:05feel comfortable under center, it takes away from what that offense
13:08ultimately could be.
13:10So I just, I always kind of felt like that was an odd match for the personnel
13:14with Deshaun Watson and what he was experienced in doing and then what
13:18Stavansky wanted to do or what his offense has been.
13:21And now you will work with Munkin.
13:22I mean, look, he's very comfortable and accustomed to working from shotgun,
13:26doing a lot of the different run games, concepts, and so forth.
13:28So I think it's a better pairing for maximizing Shador, Deshaun, Dylan, and all
13:33of that, because all those guys have played primarily out of shotgun.
13:37And again, I think he's more comfortable with that.
13:39Brady, have you hit on something that we've been talking about a lot, and I
13:42think we've seen play out in the NFL, which is the young quarterbacks are
13:46coming into the league after basically never being under center in college
13:50football, and then they come into the NFL, and it seems like defenses have the
13:54edge right now.
13:55We saw so many quarterbacks that we even thought were good kind of come back to
14:00the pack over the last few years in the NFL.
14:02Do we have a crisis right now, and is college contributing to it?
14:05You have a lack of development.
14:07And by the way, it's not just college.
14:08It's at the grassroots level.
14:10It's at the Little League football.
14:12I've got nieces and nephews.
14:15Kids are playing flag.
14:16It's like, what do they do?
14:17They start up in shotgun.
14:19And so the problem with that for quarterbacks is there's always been a sense of
14:23timing and rhythm, meaning if I'm taking three steps, that coincides with a
14:28three-step slant, right?
14:29And we can back it up even further.
14:31If I'm throwing a 10-yard out, that coincides with a five-yard, or excuse me,
14:34five-step from under center drop.
14:35I play at my fifth step, and I'm throwing that ball to a spot.
14:38Again, if it's open, that's where you're throwing the football.
14:41That's the timing and rhythm of it.
14:43And then even as you grow and progress, you've got five eligible receivers.
14:47So as you work in these different progressions, you're dropping back five
14:51steps or seven steps.
14:52You're hitching once, hitching twice, hitching a third time.
14:54By that point, you've moved through four of those intended targets.
14:58And you should be either scrambling or checking it down to your fifth option.
15:02So that's kind of the timing and rhythm and sense that a lot of quarterbacks
15:06were taught and raised on.
15:08And you're not seeing that anymore.
15:09And because of that, because at the NFL level, the athletes on defense are so
15:14much better than the guys, in particular on offense, and really in the trenches
15:19up front on the O-line.
15:20You just don't have time.
15:21And so you've got to be able to throw with anticipation.
15:23You have to be able to throw to spots.
15:25You have to be able to understand, too, what you're seeing.
15:27And I think that's the other thing is you're getting players who are very
15:31prepared from a fundamental standpoint in how they throw.
15:34Like, their mechanics in many ways are flawless.
15:36So it's not like you get there and you had a three-sport athlete.
15:39Like, I grew up playing football, baseball, basketball.
15:41So people were always kind of tinkering with footwork or grip or throwing
15:45motion or something because I never had the throwing coach.
15:48Not like these kids.
15:49These kids have specialized in the time they're probably in fourth, fifth grade.
15:53And so their mechanics are flawless.
15:55The problem is they've been reading defenses usually with seven kids out there.
15:59They haven't had the other four.
16:00So they don't look at a front, you know, with a four-down look or a three-down
16:04look and how that messes with how you're going about reading not only
16:08coverage because the fronts tie into what the coverages look like, but
16:11everything that goes along with, you know, having 11 defenders out there on
16:13the field and then having to turn your back to the defense and turn your
16:16back around and re-identify or reconfirm what the coverage is.
16:21Those are all things that you're taught when you start playing football
16:24under center as opposed to starting in shotgun.
16:26And so that, to me, is the biggest issue is the game has transformed in many
16:32ways.
16:32And I think the hard part now, and especially when you go from the younger
16:36levels to the NFL level, is that term RPO, the run-pass option.
16:41You know, in college, they can have a line to be three yards downfield.
16:45And so really when you look at that, I mean, think about how far downfield that
16:49player can be before the official makes that call.
16:51And there's oftentimes they miss it too.
16:52In the NFL, it's only a yard.
16:54And so the RPO offense that works in high school and college, and it's a high
16:59percentage of plays that they run in the passing game, it just doesn't really
17:02exist as much in the NFL.
17:04So that's the other thing is like the way you teach the eyes of the quarterbacks
17:08has completely changed.
17:10I mean, at RPO, you're reading one defender.
17:11If he triggers on the run, you're throwing the football.
17:13If he stays back on the pass, you hand it off.
17:15You know, when you read an actual pass concept in the NFL, you're reading multiple
17:19players in the field.
17:20You know, you're looking at how the nickel's playing, how the cornerbacks are.
17:22Are they off?
17:23You know, does the nickel have inside leverage, outside leverage?
17:25What are the safeties at?
17:26Are they near the hash or the outside?
17:27You know, they are the more to the middle of the field.
17:29You know, there's always things you're looking for.
17:31And so it's just, it's a completely different game.
17:33And unfortunately, no one's being taught that anymore at younger levels.
17:38Brady, amazing as always.
17:39Thank you so much for the time.
17:40The website, thirdandgoalfoundation.org.
17:43We know you do some great work with them, with the veterans there.
17:46They got a golf outing coming up in August.
17:47Check it out, thirdandgoalfoundation.org.
17:50Brady, thank you for the time.
17:52Thanks for having me, guys.
17:53Brady Quinn, Fox Sports, big noon kicker, the whole thing.
17:57He's on everything.
17:58On the Make It Right Call Kyle Wright hotline.
18:00I've got to listen to him talk about quarterbacks forever.
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