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Voch Lombardi joined RJ and Bobby to break down the Cowboys’ board and the top defensive talent in the draft. He analyzed the “Big Six” prospects, debated the value of “high-floor” players versus elite offensive playmakers, discussed the competition at left tackle, and more.
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00:00It is time for a special guest. We've had this man on the airwaves before and you hear his name
00:05mentioned probably
00:06What would you say Peyton 30 times a day on Gbag from Brian brought us 35?
00:10I think it is Votch Lombardi
00:14YouTube extraordinaire draft show
00:16Global media and we're chatting yesterday and I was like, you know
00:18I need to hit up Votch and see if he wants to come on and talk about some of this
00:21draft stuff with us and some of these players
00:23Because he is always a hit on the fan text. Votch. How you doing man?
00:26Well, first of all, Brian's a good friend. Like it's not like I'm paying Brian. No, no, no, no, no,
00:30Brian
00:30Brian is simping. Brian is simping. That's what it is
00:33You gotta do what you gotta do
00:35Have you seen him try to roll out of a beanbag?
00:39I have seen Brian look very 90 years old-ish before
00:44And you know, we have chairs at Crown that you kind of got to jump into because they're a little
00:48tall
00:48And Brian got to grab three of the surfaces and then lean and then jump
00:52So seeing him get off the ground like fighting gravity, you know, I'm saying like is is definitely different is
00:58is definitely hilarious both ways like going up or down
01:00It's hilarious. Uh, so Bobby, uh, Bobby's we're talking here
01:04Uh, I need you. I need you to choppy wants to know if y'all are familiar
01:09Yeah, because choppy lombardi italian
01:12Well, I don't think they make black lombardis for real for real
01:15Um, like
01:17I mean, rico might be like black italian
01:20He might be the only black italian italian
01:23But something we do in our community is that we find somebody we like and we find a way to
01:27tie it in our name for real
01:28So when I was playing ball when I was coaching, I was like, okay, well, i'm gonna be vach lombardi
01:33then
01:33You know, I mean like you, you know, if you was my age or something and you was voting you'd
01:36be like, uh, um
01:38chop obama or something like
01:42That's what your name
01:42I mean, someone's gonna make a meme out of that one
01:45Yeah, it's just something
01:46And that may not be your politics. I don't know, but you know, the name works. You feel me the
01:50name
01:51Yeah, yeah
01:52So just you know when I was coaching like I was just hey man, I'm about to be vach lombardi
01:55up in here
01:56So when I started youtubing, hey, that's a swag ass name. We'll roll with it. It is swag. Okay
02:00All right
02:00So vach, uh, I want to start off with this point because we we've talked ad nauseum here on the
02:05show and and in the cowboys creator space
02:08About defense and the type of players that could be available
02:12And I think we're all hitting this point right now where there's a little bit of fear of
02:16The board's gonna run dry for you on the defensive players that you want when it hits 12
02:20And so we were doing this yesterday on the draft show and you had talked about
02:24It felt like you were in favor of the idea of like hey
02:27If the best player on the board here is a receiver or an offensive player i'm doing that
02:32I'm not gonna cheat myself here at pick 12
02:35What what would you say is the scenario where you'd be sitting there looking at 12 and go?
02:40I I need to pick an offensive player here
02:42First of all, let me say
02:43Should have just tanked, you know, I'm saying if you wanted easy access to david bailey reuben bane
02:49The big six is what I call them
02:50You should have just lost games on purpose and you'll get one of those guys easily
02:54Uh, but you didn't you try to have some some pride and win games towards the end and you know
02:58Do your thing there. Uh, so what happens is, you know, you're at 12 overall right now
03:02And this isn't a a class where you got a whole bunch of first round grades where you get laid
03:06into the first round
03:07There's dudes you like a couple years ago. You can get jared versus like 19 overall
03:11Like this ain't that kind of year like you're running out of those top tier dudes like six like six
03:16guys in
03:17So you got six defenders that you would really love to walk away with and you're likely not going to
03:21get
03:21Two edges two linebackers your cornerback and your safety downs right
03:25In real life as much as we love those guys 11 of the teams love those two
03:31So as i'm looking at my board because I put a board together because brian bros put big pressure on
03:35me to put a board
03:36No, I know when I when i'm running out of first round graded
03:41Uh players on defense and we're on the board and we're doing our little mock draft situation
03:46I got a bunch of first round graded offensive players left. Okay, so some of my second round graded guys
03:51Like cold and hood the cowboys will like them
03:53But you would love them at 12 as opposed to 20 message door from miami. He's he's my age
03:58He got bad feet and you would love him at 20 as opposed to 12
04:03You know, I'm saying thineman is a guy that's been getting a bunch of hype and I know he ran
04:06fast at the combine in the shorts
04:08But prior to the combine everybody was like hey, I like him at 20
04:12I'd even like to trade back to like 29 to get some more picks and then draft thineman now
04:16All of a sudden theming is a guy that you're talking about at 12. I think people being a little
04:20phony
04:20So what happened on the draft show yesterday
04:22And you know, they gave me a pick and I wanted to manufacture some mess
04:26I could have took some offensive players to kind of help us out a little bit to help the cowboys
04:30But I wanted to put us in this weird situation that we're on the phone. The big six is gone
04:36The cowboys aren't in on um, jermon mccoy
04:39So he's kind of out for us theoretically, right big six are going so you're stuck with offensive players
04:44The phone ain't ringing 40 seconds on the clock. What do you do? Yeah, and i'm just a big fan
04:50of a jeremiah love
04:52You know, javante williams ain't stopping me from taking five years of jeremiah love
04:56Flournoy or you know picking this franchise tag ain't stopping me from taking carnell tate
05:01Um, you know, jordan tyson for five years. You know, I'm saying so this is a five-year window here
05:06I know the deck window is like three, but we talking about draft. This is a five-year player for
05:10you
05:11I just don't want to reach for a dude that I would like to have at 20
05:14At 12, especially when those dudes are are totally different and like talent wise. I totally agree, man
05:20because like
05:21Yeah, you still got to build a team. You're still gonna have a team after jack
05:24But the cowboys aren't going away as a franchise in three years when jack's done. So, you know to me
05:29I'm all I'm all about that. Are you so are you are you completely scared off from mccoy then you're
05:36done?
05:38I
05:38Believe in
05:39When you build your board, you kind of got to have a feel for what other teams are doing, right?
05:45For example, uh last year, right rebel was like a top two corner for me
05:48He was a first round greater guy for me
05:50Uh, rebel is hurt guy. So in my mind i'm like, all right, cool
05:54I'll take a second round pick and take revel or something like that
05:57But what if the league doesn't take a second round pick on rebel? What if the league is going?
06:01Oh, we'll take him in the third or the fourth round
06:03You don't want to be the only team going
06:05Oh, i'll take revel in the second and y'all is talking about taking him in the in the third
06:08or the fourth
06:09Yeah, so I think this way about mccoy
06:10If I found some some type of information some kind of help that says oh the league is looking at
06:16mccoy like a top 10 guy
06:17Then fine if y'all cool with it
06:19Then it'll make a little bit of sense for me to go take him at 12 if the league thinks
06:22of mccoy as a guy that'll go 19 to 25 or so
06:25Yeah, 20 makes sense
06:27But if the league thinks mccoy is the guy that's gonna go in the third round
06:30Then I don't want to touch mccoy to the third round that makes sense
06:32Mm-hmm. Yeah, so vach and we're talking vach lombardi here on 105 through the fan
06:36I'm curious you made the reference there. You said, uh
06:39That javante williams isn't stopping you from picking jeremiah love
06:42Um, and you know, you've got the pickings being on the franchise stack doesn't stop you from jordan tyson or
06:47carnell tate or whoever
06:48What are some of the things about this team right now that you would say?
06:52Yeah, maybe normally i'd be interested in 12
06:54But that situation right that now is going to prevent me from taking a guy who's probably good enough to
06:59go in that range
07:00Man and the the cowboys make it make it weird for you
07:04They did the tear and steal money thing and kind of moved it around like oh man
07:07We we got a starting level tackle that you can save a little money with and unlike, you know
07:12Some some cowboy fans. I don't beat up on terrence still
07:14I think terrence still is what the league is
07:16I think cowboy fans have gotten kind of spoiled and ungrateful with great offensive line play around here
07:21And you get tyron smith for 15. Well, it was like nine years for real because he was hurt
07:25But you get tyron smith for a long time you get zach martin for a long time
07:28You think that all teams got offensive linemen like that and to be fair when you break down teams every
07:34single week
07:34Cowboys play this team this team this team every week we going damn this left tackle look terrible
07:39I would go after him. Oh, this guard look terrible. I will go after him
07:42Everybody got a terrence steel, you know, I'm saying so in real life
07:45We should be okay with the idea that uh, and even having terrence steel and um, nate thomas playing tackle
07:52for you still a top five
07:53Offense anyway, so in real life, we shouldn't want to draft an offensive lineman because you know
07:59Because the cowboy seen pretty set there
08:01However, french malinois is a guy, you know, I mean, uh, fano ain't necessarily a guy in that way
08:06Where i'm super, you know, trying to get fano and you know
08:09For some reason, uh teams in the league like munro freely from georgia much more than I do
08:13But if malinois was there man, we got to talk because malinois in my mind is much better than terrence
08:18And I just saw the cowboys, you know, use dead money to get osa up out of here because he
08:22ain't fit
08:23I will get terrence's six to eight million dollars up out of here because he don't fit
08:26And now we got malinois right top next to booker
08:29What is your take on because i'm a proponent of
08:33When in doubt
08:34Kind of lean into what you're good at and the cowboys are good at drafting online at least they have
08:38been
08:39Does that factor in for you at all like hey, you know
08:42We don't love anybody
08:44We really evaluate this position better than most teams do
08:49Let's lean into our evaluation and just take the offensive lineman
08:52I don't want to give the cowboys that that much of a pass like if you're bad at drafting
08:57D lineman then we need to fire people who
08:59Who's telling you to draft these people and just get better at drafting D line, you know, I mean
09:03I don't want to just be like ah, we ain't good at this. Let's not do it now
09:05Like you need to change your scouting department or whoever, you know, they my bad woman clay if you're listening
09:10I'm a big fan of your work dog, but you know, whoever was standing on the table for some of
09:13these guys
09:14Hey, man, we need to try to move around a little bit, you know, I mean, but uh, yeah
09:17I just don't want to give them passes like that
09:19And if you if you're really good at drafting offensive lineman
09:22If you're really really good at you really hit on offensive lineman, you can only do that five times
09:26You know, I'm saying like it's five offensive line
09:28We just can't be in year six
09:31Of drafting offensive lineman because we good at it going. Hey, man, we'll just bring our six guy in and
09:34just do it like that
09:35Now I mean you you have to you know diversify a little bit
09:38I will say when the cowboys have an opportunity to draft a defensive player early
09:44Aside from clay born or whatever, right? They they they normally do decent at taking players, uh on on defense
09:50in draft land early
09:51It's like the whole just because you're a first-round pick doesn't mean that you're a first-round graded player
09:55type type
09:56Um, type deal like tyler guyton was drafted in the first round. I didn't have him as a first-round
10:00graded players
10:01He's really a second-round guy tyler booker was clearly a first-round graded player for me
10:05So if you look at the cowboys history and them drafting players on defense
10:09It's a lot of second round grades except for michael parsons
10:12We just need to take those early picks and draft more dudes on defense as opposed to waiting
10:16botch lombardi with us here on 105 to the fan
10:19Deviating from a draft question. I mean it still impacts the draft, I guess
10:22Uh, and more just on a question about the cowboys roster right now the left tackle spot. It feels like
10:28there's at least a
10:30Willingness to explore
10:32competition there with nate thomas and
10:34Tyler guyton and you know
10:36If the draft falls the right way who knows how things might shake up there too as well
10:40They did that weird experiment right by kicking tyler smith outside and just shutting down guyton at the end of
10:44the year
10:44How do you look at the cowboys left tackle spot right now? And is that something they may need to
10:48draft?
10:51This the this the weird part, right? I think when you get into draft world you you you have to
10:55figure out who you are
10:57Uh, because the the the players fall into certain categories, right?
11:01You either floor guy or your ceiling guy, you know, I mean
11:04You like the high floor dudes or the dudes that need a little bit of work. I'm typically floor guy
11:08You can't come to me and be like, hey, I'll watch this player
11:10Michael Williams, for example
11:12He may not be good at rushing the passer right now
11:14But in three or so years, he's gonna be a real good pass rush. Okay, cool
11:18If that's your take on it, and we're gonna, you know, uh, trust ceiling guy here
11:22Now we in year three just like we are with with guidance to be fair tyler guyton
11:26Size wise movement wise athleticism feet length dude is ridiculous
11:31And if you're looking at tyler guy, and you're going all right, dog
11:34You have the potential to be the best player on this offensive line one day
11:39But if you draft high floor guy and tyler booker by time
11:42We got the week 16 by the wheels like hey, man
11:44Tyler booker might be the best dude on his offensive line right now because big tyler was hurt
11:48But tyler booker was producing for you year one like that, right?
11:51So the thing about tyler guyton per what we saw from him, you know, and in in college
11:57Like he's just on schedule right now
11:58We didn't think that he was going to be great year one
12:00And he wasn't some people thought he was but they was wrong
12:03Uh, and and you know year two he was much better than he was year one
12:06He actually got a lot of respect for me when he came out publicly and said hey, man
12:10I thought there's gonna be something different. I got a diet different. I got to do yoga
12:13I got a box in the rain and go to sleep early and all this kind of stuff
12:17You know what I'm saying? And we saw tyler guyton get better, but the injuries got him right
12:20So if we're on schedule and we had to assume he's in mexico drinking looking now
12:25But when he gets back, I would have to assume he goes to work again and he's a better year
12:30three player than he is
12:31You know, then he was in year one and two and that's because he's just on this track because he's
12:36high floor guy because he's all traits, right?
12:38Me personally man draft the dude that know how to use his hands in the in in college right now
12:43Draft the dude strong as hell right now draft the dude with with knee bend right now
12:47Because then you got these three-year projects that you're working on and if we're in draft world right now
12:51That's stopping me from drafting some high ceiling guys because I just don't want to wait around on them
12:55All right, botch. So uh, before we let you get out of here, uh, we've got the
13:00I think the names that we've all kind of circled around the most as guys the cowboys are interested in
13:05have been
13:07ruben bain uh, caleb downs sunny styles monsoor delane
13:11Just give us kind of a and I know it's a broad shot here
13:16But give us on those four guys just kind of a 30 to 40 second capsule on each of them
13:20of how you feel about those players
13:22And how you might approach that if they were available to you
13:25Uh, ruben bain is a dog. He is a technician. He don't care about the flashy cute stuff
13:29He is a football player a good verse to run good verse to pass. He was much bendier than I
13:33thought
13:33Uh, miami did the y-9 stuff with him. That's cool. Monsoor
13:37Um, is a another technician. You didn't say monsoor the way you do
13:41What'd I say? Monsoor? Yeah, you gotta say monsoor the way you do
13:43Yeah, because it's like it's like french or something
13:45I don't know where I don't know where you're from but uh, good good uh, good tech and look man
13:49Let me just say
13:50Let me just say about monsoor. I've seen his film
13:52Don't come up here with these miscellaneous 4-3 pro day 40s dog
13:56That ain't that ain't who you are on film. You're a really good technician
13:58You're good. You you you're very smart. You you're sticky coverage and all that dog
14:03But you're not 4-3 guy for real. Uh, jamon mccoy probably is though
14:07But yeah, uh, fantastic corner and all that who you said uh downs downs is a guy
14:10Downs and styles. Yeah
14:11Down is a guy that can play the whole season at nickel
14:14He could play the whole season at strong
14:16You wouldn't want to play the whole season at free, but he probably can do it
14:19And if you got a coordinator that's versatile creative enough like you would hope that the cowboys do
14:23Then downs could could could do something that can think about the cowboys and all the games they lost last
14:28year
14:28It was like big plays big plays big plays
14:30Uh downs takes all that away like all this. Uh, we're we're confused. Hey, uh, trey digs
14:36What you doing? Hey malik? I didn't know I was supposed to do this downs probably takes all that away
14:40and sunny styles
14:42Some people are a little higher on him than me. Some people taking them top five
14:45I'm not that high on him in that way
14:46If you're gonna take a linebacker that high, I need you to be like luke, uh, luke, um, keekly
14:50I need you to be like, uh, sean lee level
14:52I need you to be like, uh, you know, bobby wagner or whatever, right?
14:55I don't think sunny styles is that guy. Sunny styles does have smarts. He's really good in coverage
14:59Uh, really good athlete really tall. We know these things. He don't take blocks very well, but uh, that's something
15:03that you can develop
15:04And then you can use them on like pass rush downs and all it's a very versatile linebacker
15:08It's just that in this draft. There's no jaymar chases. There's no michael parsons panay souls
15:13You don't get a whole bunch of pastor tans in this draft and there's not a bunch of quarterbacks really
15:16bump guys down
15:17So you got a bunch of dudes that would be in a normal draft
15:21Drafted in the teens and twenties, but that's the best that we got to deal with
15:24They are ugly babies, but they are our ugly babies
15:27So you've got
15:29Taking the five year out of it just for next year and given where the cowboys are at
15:33Bain downs styles
15:35Delane which one of those contributes to the cowboys most improvement for next year only
15:42I think
15:43It's interesting because you ain't got nobody playing mike line. Like you have me playing mike mike linebacker right now
15:48Yeah, um, so sunny in theory
15:50But I think the cowboys could easily sign somebody to do more than what sunny would do
15:55I think caleb downs comes in day one and even if you have, um, jaylen thompson
16:00If christian parker is going to do what he says he's going to do
16:02Well, jaylen thompson is going to be on the roof sometimes then downs will play nickel for you
16:05If thompson comes down to play nickel then downs will be somewhere else
16:08He'll be on he'll be strong. He'll be roof or whatever. He would just be moving around places
16:11So I think downs because he could play four spots on your defense right now
16:15And he's probably smart enough to pick up this calculus that christian parker is going to roll out for you
16:20So I would say that he's year one probably most ready. Uh, ruben bain will probably be better in year
16:24three or something
16:25Vach, uh, let everybody know where they can find you
16:28Hey, man, vach lombardi everywhere crown globe media, uh, i'm on dot com fussing with bobby and stuff like that
16:33And i'll be listening to 105 three to fan kicking it, you know, I love you vach. Appreciate you, man.
16:37Thank you. Thank you, man
16:38So salute
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