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Nick Eatman joined Shan, RJ, and Bobby LIVE from Oxnard to discuss his latest observations from training camp! Eatman broke down the physical potential of the interior offensive line, Jaishawn Barham's groin injury, standout defensive players, and more.
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00:00Bobby, it's the Red Zone brought to you by Just Love Coffee here on Sean and RJ 105, three of
00:07the fans.
00:07Can I stay here with you? Focus.
00:09We're focused.
00:11Can I stay here with you? Yeah.
00:13Cool. Yeah.
00:14What time you start in the morning usually? First broadcast, first work.
00:19Oh, when it's... Not your walk.
00:21Oh, okay, because when it's a show like this, I start like 12 minutes ago.
00:24That's where my day starts. Depends if I'm on with you guys or not.
00:27I pulled the Eatman, and in a commercial break, I went up finally after 15 years.
00:33Oh, you went up there?
00:33I went to the Jerry Tower, and I was tremendously disappointed.
00:38What was disappointed? Just the view?
00:40There's no... They didn't even finish the inside. There's no finish out.
00:43It's... I almost tripped over this bear trap, like, weight that's down on the ground.
00:48I tripped on the video they just put out.
00:51We have an elevator right here, a Woolchuck Express, for the handicap.
00:57And I would have thought that they had a damn elevator in that tower.
01:02No. Some rickety old steps.
01:04Then you get up there, there's some bar stools in a corner.
01:06That's how Jerry keeps kicking, man. He's still doing the steps.
01:08He's getting his steps in every day.
01:10It's all, like, built-in bar stools like you would have in a pool.
01:13Sean, if it was super cool, everybody would go up there. You know what I mean?
01:16Yeah, we're super loud.
01:17So, yeah. So, I was disappointed, but I finally went up in the Jerry Tower.
01:21I just had to wait until dusk.
01:23So, nobody's there.
01:24Yeah, so no one's there.
01:25No one's there.
01:25To do it. What jumped out from practice yesterday?
01:29I'll tell you what. The...
01:32You know, it's funny because every time you want to say, like,
01:36man, the defense looks good, looks good.
01:38And they do. They look better.
01:40But it's going like I would want it to.
01:43Because you want them to compete more.
01:45Because you know the offense is good.
01:48But it kind of feels like, at the end of the day,
01:50the offense can do what they want to do.
01:52And that is a good thing, too.
01:54Because it's like, that's how...
01:55If there's any kind of hope and optimism,
01:57you know that that's going to be really good.
02:00And I saw that again yesterday.
02:02I just feel like, when they really want to,
02:04I think they're going to be able to run the football.
02:08Like, right in the interior.
02:10And now that's going to help your red zone stuff.
02:12All this talk about, can they fix the red zone?
02:15If you, you know, Nate Newton said it best the other day.
02:17He was just like, we could just run over people.
02:20And Moose was coming, and then Emmett was coming,
02:23and we didn't have any...
02:24Oh, they could run over people.
02:25Right.
02:25It's not saying we're going...
02:26No, but that's where he said it needs to get back to that,
02:29where the interior, between Tyler Smith,
02:33BB, Tyler Booker, Javante Williams, that physicality,
02:37and just run over people.
02:38And if you stop that, then you can throw it up to Pickens or Ferguson
02:42and CD and all that stuff.
02:43And yesterday, not only for Guyton, but he told you all, Zach,
02:46that time is now here for BB as well.
02:49Yeah.
02:50Yeah.
02:51Do we feel like BB hasn't...
02:54Not arrived, but...
02:56I guess because of the expectation, mentally, I'm like,
03:00BB has gone to where he's needed to before Guyton.
03:03And obviously, different expectations, but...
03:06Nate was saying that about Connor, too, right?
03:08Right.
03:09Yes, both of them.
03:10And I think that last year, Nick, it was really a lot of the stunts
03:14and the twists, the communication there.
03:16They had issues with that.
03:17That does seem like it's cleaner.
03:19In the run game, I'd like to think BB is strong enough
03:21that that's not an issue.
03:23Yeah.
03:23You know, and every time you kind of look at him and you say,
03:26he's, you know, he's not that big or is he that strong or whatever.
03:30But, like, you know, if you remember when they first drafted him,
03:33he was the term dirt and people, you know, from the guard position there.
03:38And I know his Big 12 is not the same here.
03:41But Stepnoski, way back, I just keep taking it back in the 90s,
03:44but, like, Stepnoski never was the biggest.
03:47It's just your technique.
03:48If your technique is where it needs to be,
03:50then you can move people out of the way.
03:51And I think that between, you know,
03:54sandwiched in between those two Tylers that were really strong
03:56and really, you know, just powerful in how they attack the defense,
04:01I think those three are going to be the center to all of this.
04:05I mean, obviously, he's the center.
04:06But, you know, the centerpiece to what they're doing.
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04:15Jayshon Barham groin?
04:16Mm-hmm.
04:17Is this serious?
04:18Yeah, it didn't look like it was that serious,
04:22especially with the fact of him, you know, changing clothes,
04:26coming back out on the field, watching the rest of it,
04:28being back on his feet.
04:30You know, if it was that serious, I think that it would be one where,
04:34you know, he would be maybe already getting rehab and all that.
04:36I just think that day off at a good time for him, you know,
04:41does he go back and that Saturday workout, you know,
04:44that they'll be here and it's not a scrimmage, but it's the closest thing to it.
04:49It'll be, we'll televise it on our channel.
04:51So, but I don't know if he participates in that,
04:53but I don't think it was that serious.
04:55Bobby, give him your surprise.
04:57The CBC agrees or disagrees for the week that we've been here.
04:59So, for mine or start with the blogging the boys one?
05:03Yours.
05:03Okay, so on mine, there have been a couple different surprises,
05:05both good and bad.
05:06The first one is, we've been talking about this today.
05:09I have not noticed even standing on the field Malachi Lawrence at this point.
05:14It's been completely anonymous to this point for me.
05:17On the good end, it's, I've been impressed with Revel.
05:20I did not expect that Revel, with all the issues fiddling with the knee
05:24and looking like he had confidence issues last year,
05:26I was not expecting him to look as comfortable as he has.
05:28I think Durant's been a surprise, and then another guy in the second year,
05:32I think Julius Wood has been really, really good to this point.
05:34You were raving about him.
05:35Yeah, I got no issues with that list.
05:37He's so physical.
05:38Yeah, and I think Kobe Durant, every time you kind of think about this offseason
05:44when you're like, you know, are they really going to be better?
05:46Like, what did they really do?
05:48And then you think about that, that signing is always the one that I'm like,
05:52oh yeah, like, they got that guy.
05:53Like, that's a good one.
05:55And I think just like a needed piece.
05:58Just getting stability.
05:59Yeah, it's kind of like what they lost with Jordan Lewis.
06:02You know, they lost a guy like that, now they get him back.
06:05But Julius Wood, yeah, he's definitely, he's kind of a fun player to watch.
06:10Is the Malachi thing a little worrisome?
06:13Have you noticed him?
06:14Not really.
06:15No, I haven't noticed him either.
06:18But, you know, that will, he was drafted because he's an absolute freak.
06:26And right now he's probably just trying to figure out where to go, what to do.
06:31Once that clicks and he stops thinking so much, you know, it's, you know,
06:37I'm bringing back reference and all that stuff.
06:39But I, I mean, I don't know if DeMarcus Ware, like, set the world on fire when he first got
06:43here for, you know,
06:44he was doing some athletic things.
06:46But, you know, he was still, you know, having some issues here and there.
06:50And then all of a sudden, when it clicks, it clicks.
06:53Amir Speed, yesterday, the corner.
06:55I mean, if you're looking for some value there, my gosh, he stood out in a big way.
06:59He stands out because he's, I mean, what is he, 6'3"?
07:02He's huge.
07:03When he went up against Valdez Scaling, I was like, this is like a basketball game going on here with
07:12the two of them.
07:12Sure.
07:13Just really tall.
07:14But, no, Speed is a guy that's been noticeable.
07:18Not just because he is, he's pretty tall out on the corner.
07:22But he's, he's feisty.
07:23He'll make some plays.
07:24I don't know where, you know, there's not a lot of room for some of these guys here at corner.
07:29But he was like one of those late pickups, Amir Speed.
07:32But, you know, he's got some speed.
07:34And for his first size, I mean, he's just sitting there.
07:37I have to take it, right?
07:38What do you think about the way the linebacker room is shaking up at this point?
07:42Obviously, like, they're just banking on DeMarvin Overshaw and being healthy.
07:45Barham had the issue yesterday.
07:47They've added D winners.
07:48But, in general, when you look at the way that the linebacker room is shaping up,
07:53are you feeling any more confidence than you did when you first landed here in Oxnard?
07:57Yeah, I think so.
07:58I really do.
07:58I mean, because of the way Barham is playing.
08:01I mean, Barham is a guy that, like, is, like, pushing D winners and pushing for playing time.
08:05So, when that happens, and I think Shamar James will as well.
08:08He'll probably be that guy.
08:10Shamar James will probably be the guy that leads the team and tackles in the preseason, you know,
08:13because he's just going to be all over the place.
08:15And that's kind of his style.
08:18And he'll probably play enough to do that.
08:21But, yeah, I think between those four, you know, and I've heard the rumors of they're going to look at
08:27this linebacker or this linebacker,
08:29that wouldn't be the position for me that I would be like, got to go trade.
08:33Are we officially going Barham and not Barham?
08:36I asked him.
08:37Like, it's Graham, not Graham.
08:39I asked him.
08:40And I was scared to ask him.
08:43I don't blame you.
08:45Barham.
08:46Barham.
08:46Okay, so we're just going to accept that.
08:48He's big, so I can accept that.
08:49Like, Reggie Bullock, I refuse to accept Bullock.
08:52Yeah, I don't like that.
08:53We had consistency there for a while.
08:55Like, everybody said Flournoy at first.
08:56Then it was Flournoy.
08:58Then I started doubting it again because Shoddy has all of a sudden started saying Flournoy.
09:01Like, he transitioned to Flournoy.
09:03And then he came up here and he told us, no, it's Flournoy.
09:06So, I don't know where the Shoddy shift has come with Ryan Flournoy's name at this point.
09:09Yeah.
09:10Well, you know, we've had players where they've been here like eight years,
09:13and they tell us that you said our name wrong.
09:16Like, Ebenezer Okubon.
09:18Like, I thought it was just Ekubon.
09:19What?
09:20No, I'm sorry.
09:21Okubon?
09:22It was established a Carolina Ekubon.
09:24He said it, Okubon.
09:26He also, Chido, like, we said Awuzie.
09:30Yeah.
09:31Like, three.
09:31He says Awuzie.
09:32Awuzie.
09:33Awuzie.
09:33It's like a zh.
09:34Yeah.
09:35Awuzie.
09:35Yeah.
09:36Awuzie.
09:36So, and this isn't like this stage of the Barham.
09:40This was like five years into their career.
09:42And it's like, he says it differently.
09:45I'm like, I guess no one ever cares to, you know, those players never care.
09:49Like, yeah, whatever.
09:50Wow.
09:51It's like Travis Etienne all of a sudden.
09:53Etienne.
09:53Etienne.
09:53Yeah.
09:54It's Etienne.
09:55Yeah.
09:56Is Caleb Downs going to be more, I mean, very good.
10:02Yeah, he'll be good.
10:03All right.
10:03There's one person I spoke with out here, not with the Cowboys, but whose football opinion
10:10I trust.
10:10And he goes, I guess I'm the only one to say it that I feel like Downs is going to
10:14be
10:15overhyped.
10:15He's going to have problems with his height.
10:19And when I'm watching him or when I'm hearing about him, I am here.
10:23And we knew this in college, Zach, you especially were watching the tape as well, how good he
10:27was against the run.
10:28Lamb, CD, told us in the interview two hours ago, good luck against him with his run fits
10:34and all that.
10:34Do you think we're going to be talking about Caleb Downs versus the run versus Caleb versus
10:40the pass after his rookie season or more throughout the year?
10:44And if that's the case, how do we feel about that?
10:47They were super excited about that.
10:49That was the first thing I heard from people was the stuff at the line of scrimmage is
10:52really impressive.
10:53Yeah.
10:53And that's so that I mean, that was the top thing they were talking about before he got
10:56dropped.
10:56And are we fine with that in today's NFL, even though running backs are getting paid?
11:00I mean, that's something we would normally say about Jamal Adams.
11:03And I'm not saying he's not going to be good in coverage, but are we going to be talking
11:06about him more against the run versus what he does highlight wise against the pass?
11:11I don't think so.
11:13Maybe I'm having a hard time figuring out the question because it's early.
11:17But what I think what I think what I would answer to that is I think we're going to be
11:21talking about the fact that he lines up.
11:23He's where he's supposed to be.
11:25He's going to line himself up to get where he's supposed to be.
11:28If the height is a problem overall, then he probably will shift into more of a nickel
11:35corner type guy that you would play and you would want to be that that height.
11:39Like he's probably his football smart is going to take him to levels that is going to make
11:44him successful.
11:45So if he's going to be, you know, in the back end, you know, deep safety or he's going to
11:49be a slot corner or he's going to go in there.
11:51And, you know, I saw the video yesterday that you've seen it where he goes in there and
11:55Bobby put it out.
11:57Tyler Smith.
11:57OK, well, he didn't win that one.
11:59You know what?
12:00He shouldn't.
12:01He shouldn't win.
12:02And we would be talking about Tyler Smith right now if he did.
12:06Yeah.
12:06So that's that's but he any any covered you watch some cover tight ends in college.
12:12Yes.
12:12There's a height mismatch.
12:13Were you alarmed or taken aback by his height out here?
12:17And what's your in-person Downs report?
12:19He is smaller.
12:20I think for me, my vision is Troy Palomalo, another guy that played near the line of scrimmage.
12:26That's who he models himself.
12:28Yeah.
12:28And I think Caleb Downs.
12:30There you go.
12:31You know, that's just let him freelance.
12:33I thought at one point I thought Troy Palomalo was the best player in football.
12:37I mean, because you'd watch a Steelers game.
12:40He's flying over the top at the line of scrimmage.
12:43He just he was just guessing right all the time.
12:45If he had a buzz cut, would you have felt that way?
12:46You never would have noticed him.
12:49I don't agree with that.
12:50No, because he was he was at the line of scrimmage.
12:53He was he was he was a deep safety.
12:54Like her helped.
12:56This might be the shortest safety room in football.
12:58When you see P.J.
12:59Locke, Jalen Thompson, Caleb Downs stand next to each other.
13:01But it's whoa, those guys definitely are shorter than everybody else.
13:05That's true.
13:06It's always great to see you in person.
13:08Always great to get it.
13:09That's it, baby.
13:10We're on the plane.
13:11Well, they're on the plane.
13:13Sean and I are staying.
13:14I might stay back here with you.
13:15We're staying.
13:16We're bunking.
13:16Sean and I.
13:17Nick's like looking at Bobby like he's serious.
13:19Sean's ready to string.
13:20I need to get away from him.
13:20I know this.
13:21RJ's like, I'm out.
13:23No, he was staying.
13:24I love it out here.
13:25He has to stay.
13:26He has to go to the dealership later.
13:27I just bought a car.
13:28I just bought a car.
13:29He's got to drive it back.
13:30That'll be his next chore, his next instruction.
13:33Thank you, Nick.
13:34So still come out here, turn on the box, and talk to you guys out there.
13:38Hell yeah.
13:38You ain't going nowhere.
13:39You're in for the season.
13:40All right.
13:40Nick Eatman.
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