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00:00All I did was ask the question.
00:02That's all I did.
00:03Guys, I've got to think of it.
00:04I've got a lot of time before next season.
00:06We spent a lot of time with the Guardians today.
00:07We're going to get back to the Guardians.
00:08It happened in the conversation.
00:10I'm hearing Todd Munkin talking about the Cowboy game and how,
00:13oh, you're going to want to watch that video or any of that.
00:16Someone's like, yeah, you did.
00:18I know you did.
00:19There's no way it's that fresh in your memory.
00:21I know you did.
00:23I just have to ask, it's trending towards Deshaun, it feels like.
00:27And so I kind of had to ask, could it – don't come after me.
00:31I'm just asking a question.
00:32Could it be better if Deshaun did start the season?
00:36Force your door.
00:38Maybe I shouldn't have said that because I'm getting hammered
00:41for even asking the question.
00:43Good.
00:44I'm glad you are.
00:44Mary Kay Cabot joins us right now on the Make It Right Call
00:49Kyle Wright Hotline.
00:50Hello, Mary Kay.
00:53Hello, guys.
00:54How are you doing?
00:54Morning, Mary Kay.
00:55Am I crazy for even asking the question, Mary Kay?
00:59No, you're not crazy for asking the question,
01:02but it's certainly not going to be better for Shadour
01:05if Deshaun goes out there and starts the season and plays well.
01:09So there's no way that that would be better for Shadour.
01:14And that could happen.
01:15Every report that I've heard, everything that I've seen so far,
01:19Deshaun looks pretty good.
01:21He looked pretty good in December, and they're very excited about him,
01:23and they think that he is going to be better under Todd Munkin.
01:27So, no, I don't think it would be better for Shadour if Deshaun started the season
01:31and played well.
01:33We have Spencer German in for Anthony Lyman this morning.
01:36Spencer, go right on ahead.
01:38Mary Kay, off of that, how did you leave the owners' meetings sort of deciphering
01:44between Todd Munkin's comments on the quarterback situation
01:48and how he's going to sort of set the depth chart initially,
01:52the comments made by Jimmy and Dee Haslam about a fresh start,
01:56even Andrew Barry's comments on the matter.
01:58How did you sort of decipher between those,
02:00and where do you sort of stand on what this thing could look like
02:03when they open up on-field work here in the spring?
02:06Well, we are all trying to read the tea leaves on the situation,
02:10and here's the truth of the matter.
02:12The truth is they don't really know exactly what they have yet
02:16in Shadour Sanders and Deshaun Watson.
02:19They don't know exactly how healthy Deshaun is going to be,
02:23what the arm strength is going to look like,
02:25what the agility is going to look like coming off two Achilles surgeries.
02:29And in Shadour, they can't say yet exactly how well he's going to assimilate
02:34this whole entirely new offense,
02:37what it's going to look like when he puts it out on the grass.
02:39So I think it's going to be a true competition,
02:43even though Todd Munkin sort of hinted or indicated that perhaps first man up,
02:49if they had to choose somebody to walk up to that line first
02:52and throw the first pass in the first practice,
02:55right now in this moment I thought he hinted
02:58that that would be Shadour based on the fact that he started
03:01the last seven games of the season,
03:02and they believe that that's just the order of operations.
03:07But I don't necessarily think that means that Deshaun wouldn't have
03:12a great opportunity then to beat him out for the job.
03:15I think it's going to be a true competition.
03:16I think they want both guys and Dylan Gabriel, to a certain extent,
03:21at least right now, to bring out the best in each other.
03:24And that's what competition does.
03:26If you keep the heat under all of them,
03:28then you are going to get guys working their tails off,
03:31and that is what they want.
03:33When you have natural, organic competition, that's exactly what you want.
03:38And when coaches don't have it, they try to create it.
03:41So that's what you're hearing right now.
03:43You're hearing them set up a competition that should be fierce
03:46and should have everybody on their toes.
03:49Mary-Kate Cabot joining us on the Make It Right Call Call Call Right Hotline.
03:52She's from the Cleveland Plain Dealer and Cleveland.com.
03:55Does it mean anything that Jerry Judy was working out with Deshaun Watson?
04:04Well, I do think it is kind of significant.
04:07I tried to find out yesterday if he's also worked out with Shador.
04:10I don't know if he has or not, and I'm sure we'll know more about that.
04:14But I do think it's significant that he is working out with Deshaun.
04:18And sometimes it's just a logistical thing because Jerry Judy is from Florida,
04:24and that's where Deshaun has been.
04:26So sometimes it's just a matter of, hey, we're both in Florida.
04:28Let's get together and get things going.
04:31So I don't know how significant it is, but I do think it's noteworthy,
04:37and that's why I wrote about it yesterday,
04:38because they really are trying to get Jerry Judy back on track this year.
04:43They 100% believe that that is going to happen.
04:46And for him to be getting his timing and chemistry down with Deshaun Watson,
04:50I think there is something to be noted about that.
04:54Mary Kay, big deal or little deal that Dylan Gabriel of the three quarterbacks
04:59is maybe the one that hasn't necessarily shown his face in the facility yet?
05:04Well, I don't think it's a huge deal.
05:06Once again, I think it's a note.
05:07I don't think it's a huge deal because you're not really expected to be in the building
05:12in the offseason.
05:14Now, Deshaun stopped in, but sometimes Deshaun has to do that for medical reasons, right?
05:19I mean, he is coming off of two Achilles surgeries and then before that, the shoulder surgery.
05:24So sometimes you meet with the medical staff and go over a plan or whatever.
05:29So I'm not exactly sure why he came in, or maybe he did come in specifically to meet the new
05:35coach.
05:35And if he did that, good for him.
05:37That's exactly what you would want to do in a situation like this.
05:41As far as Dylan not doing that, not exactly sure where he is this offseason or what his thinking was
05:47behind it.
05:48And again, I don't think it's a huge deal.
05:49They don't have any reason to have to be in the building unless they have medicals in the offseason.
05:56So we'll see how that goes.
05:57Everybody has a chance.
05:58That's one thing that came out of the meetings, too, is that they keep saying, you know,
06:02everybody, would you please stop writing off Dylan Gabriel?
06:04We haven't written him off yet.
06:07You know, so that was one of the things that they emphasized, that he is still on this roster
06:12with a chance to compete also for the starting job because anybody who is on the roster has a chance
06:18to compete for a starting job at their position.
06:21So Dylan is not out of the mix by any stretch yet, even though I don't necessarily believe he's in
06:27the top two right now.
06:28But he still has a chance, and anything can happen in these kinds of situations.
06:32Mary Kay Cabot joining us on the show.
06:34Yeah, I'm sorry, Mary Kay.
06:35Like, there is an optics thing to it.
06:37Like, we made a big deal when Deshaun was in Miami during the season while he was injured, for crying
06:42out loud.
06:42So there is an optics thing to it.
06:44And there's also – let me ask you this.
06:47Was Kevin the driving force behind drafting Dylan Gabriel?
06:51You know, I don't know that to be true, and I don't really think that to be true.
06:55I think they really saw something in Dylan.
06:57I think they saw a quarterback that thought that they could find in, you know,
07:03the third round who is going to come in here and surprise a lot of people.
07:06And I don't think that they have completely ruled that out yet, whether it happens here or somewhere else.
07:15I think they still believe that he has plenty of merit and can develop into a good quarterback.
07:21Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com, joining us on the Make It Right Call, Kyle Wright Hotline.
07:25We heard from Andrew Barry, obviously, Mary Kay.
07:28And on the quarterback subject, he mentioned if they do add one, that it would likely skew younger.
07:33Do you believe at this point that they will be adding another quarterback to this room sometime in the next
07:39couple weeks
07:40before they open up OTAs and everything?
07:43I do think that they will add another young quarterback.
07:46It just seems like they are really interested in doing that.
07:50And this is a football team that usually goes into training camp with four quarterbacks.
07:56It always does.
07:58So I do think that they will add another quarterback.
08:00What that means for anybody, it depends on the caliber of that quarterback.
08:04If that quarterback happens to be Ty Simpson, well, then that changes the game.
08:10If it happens to be maybe a tail in green or someone like that who's more of a developmental quarterback,
08:17then it means something different entirely.
08:20So I do think there will be another young quarterback, a developmental guy on this football team,
08:25and the impact of that won't be known until we know who it is.
08:31What do you think they're going to do at number six?
08:34I think they're going to try probably to trade down from number six if they can, unless, and I've written
08:42this,
08:43the only way they don't trade down from number six is if they determine over the next three weeks
08:49that Ty Simpson is someone who is worth taking there and that they have a chance on him.
08:54So they'll see how that board falls and how it starts to go.
08:57And if they have gotten to that point where they believe that he's worth that pick for them,
09:03then I think they would stay there.
09:05If they don't decide that he is, if they decide he's not that guy for them,
09:10then I think that they will continue to try to trade down.
09:13It's just that trading down is not going to be easy this year.
09:17There are not probably all that many players that teams would want to come up for and grab at number
09:23six.
09:24Who would you want if you absolutely had to make a pick at number six?
09:27So what do you want, Mary Kay?
09:30Well, you know, I'm just going to follow through with what I told a few people at these meetings,
09:35and you guys are going to think I'm probably crazy.
09:37But I've watched film now, and I've thought through it,
09:41and I think I would actually take a chance on Ty Simpson at number six.
09:46I think I would do that because I've seen enough over the years where if you're not 100% sure
09:53about a player at another position, then why not take a chance on a quarterback?
09:58I said that in 2022 about Malik Willis.
10:00Take a chance on Malik Willis and see what you can develop him into.
10:05And that's how I feel about the quarterbacks in round one because they don't cost all that much money,
10:11and if you happen to hit on one, then you can have a quarterback on a rookie contract
10:18that might turn into something for you.
10:21So I like to take that swing at the plate at a quarterback in the first round if it's there.
10:27Now, it's a tough call.
10:29It is definitely a tough call on him because there are plenty, plenty of question marks.
10:33But there are plenty of question marks about a lot of other guys that you might take there, too.
10:38So I know I'll probably get a lot of blowback or pushback on that, but I don't care about that.
10:43I've said that about other quarterbacks over the years that I think they should have taken,
10:47and sometimes it turns out that it would not have been the worst decision in the world.
10:53At number six?
10:54Wait a minute.
10:56Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
10:57Oh, I was going to say, before we get off this call, we have to address the haircut.
11:01We have to address the haircut story.
11:02Oh, I was going to ask.
11:03I was going to ask.
11:04Wait, Mary Kay, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
11:07You can't say you take Ty Simpson at number six and then go,
11:11by the way, we've got to talk about the haircut.
11:13I know what you did to me.
11:15Okay, Lyman's been doing it to me for years.
11:17I can't just look over there.
11:20Ty, Mary Kay, Ty Simpson.
11:23Ty Simpson?
11:25Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure what he's going to be.
11:30But if you like him well enough to take him at 24,
11:35then you probably would have to grab him at number six
11:38because there's a good chance he's not going to make it to 24.
11:42So if you think he's a guy that you can bring in and develop
11:45and see what he turns into, and I guess everybody would say,
11:49well, that would mean the end of Shador.
11:51I don't think that necessarily does mean the end of Shador.
11:54I don't think that.
11:55I know people would disagree with me on that,
11:58but I think that Ty is going to need some time
12:01because he has only started 15 games.
12:03But I like a lot of what I've seen in those 15 games
12:06from a decision-making standpoint, from an arm standpoint,
12:09from an agility standpoint.
12:11So I probably would take him there.
12:15Who would you take?
12:17Not Ty Simpson.
12:18Do you know something?
12:19Is that why you're saying Ty Simpson?
12:20Do you know something?
12:21No.
12:22No, I don't know something.
12:23But here's the other thing.
12:24You guys hold my feet to the fire, and that's fine.
12:27You know, you have to do that.
12:28You hold my feet to the fire on this show,
12:30and then everybody's going to hold me to that.
12:31I could change my mind about that in two weeks.
12:34I'm still in my house.
12:38So nobody's holding my feet to the fire on this.
12:40I could change my mind on this.
12:42So you have to let me do that.
12:44But when I came away from the meetings thinking,
12:46I don't know that there's any other player,
12:48if I stay at six right now at this moment in time,
12:52that I would want to take a chance on more than I would want to take a chance
12:57on the premium, the most important position in all of sports.
13:01I don't know if there's another player that I would do that with.
13:03Mary Kay, I know you shared that same stance with us out there in Arizona as well.
13:09So that's how you feel, but what do you understand,
13:13or how would you maybe describe what you know about the Browns' interest in Ty Simpson?
13:18Like, would they maybe have the appetite to pull the trigger at six?
13:21I doubt it.
13:22I highly doubt it.
13:24I don't know something, and I'm not saying that because I think that is what they are going to do.
13:29I think they ultimately will not do that.
13:32I don't think they will do that.
13:34But for purposes of this question, you guys asked what I would do,
13:38and that is what I would do at this point.
13:43Again, there's more film to be watched.
13:45There's more discussions to be had.
13:48But I guess my feeling on it is, and back in the day, I mean, here's another one.
13:53Back in the day, I wrote a column saying the Browns should take Geno Smith in the first round that
13:57year,
13:58and they took Barkevius Mingo.
14:00Would you rather have tried to see if you could get something out of Geno Smith, a quarterback,
14:05or would you rather see what you can get out of Barkevius Mingo?
14:09So when you're that high up in the drafts, the unfortunate thing for the Browns is that the two years
14:14in a row
14:14when they've had these really high picks, there hasn't been that sure thing quarterback that they can go out and
14:21take.
14:21And so that's been tough.
14:24But I just – the position is so important that I'd rather take a – I think the hit rate
14:30is like 50% in the first round.
14:32So if it's 50%, I'm taking my – I'm putting my money on a quarterback.
14:37All right, Todd Munkin was getting a haircut.
14:40There's two things that I wanted to address.
14:42I hear you guys – I hear you guys talking about we don't believe that he didn't watch the Dallas
14:48film,
14:49and we don't believe –
14:51He watched that Dallas film, Mary Kay.
14:53Come on, he watched that Dallas film.
14:55No, he did not watch that Dallas film.
14:57He did not.
14:58And here's the thing that you guys have to remember about Todd Munkin.
15:02Todd Munkin is unabashedly himself.
15:05He's not going to sit up there and not be truthful about things.
15:11I mean, think about the introductory press conference and when I asked him about Jim Schwartz
15:16and he just kind of went off about I'm not trying to block Jim Schwartz.
15:20I mean, he's somebody that he talks off the cuff and he's not going to make things up.
15:26So, number one, he did not make up the haircut story.
15:30And that was a story that he initially told to some of us at the party the night before the
15:38breakfast.
15:39So, and he was just – we were just shooting the breeze and he told that story.
15:44And so then I asked him the next morning, hey, do you mind if I tell the haircut story?
15:49He was like, no, go ahead.
15:50And, you know, he – you know, it was a funny story.
15:53That is a funny story and a funny memory.
15:56So there's no way he made that up.
15:58That actually happened and there were other parties involved.
16:02So that happened.
16:03And then the Dallas film, do you think right now when he's trying to assemble a staff, I mean, he's
16:11got a, you know, an avalanche coming down upon him right now.
16:16He doesn't have time to sit down and watch Dallas film of Deshaun Watson right at the moment.
16:22I mean, he was trying to assemble a staff, get ready for a free agency, get ready for the draft.
16:27There might be a point in time where he does that, but as of right now, he hasn't revisited that.
16:32He has it fresh in his mind from when they played him.
16:35If he accepted this job and he did it without looking at the Dallas film, then I hope he never
16:40looks at the Dallas film because he will be very nervous about the job he's accepted, Mary Kay, if that's
16:44the case.
16:44Now you've made me more nervous about Todd Munkin.
16:47I know you weren't trying to, but here I am.
16:49No, but wait a minute, wait, if you read the quote or if you guys saw that part of the
16:55quote, he's already familiar with that film from the crossover tape that they have watched.
17:03Right.
17:03So he saw plenty of Deshaun Watson playing against Dallas and he feels it's not fair to watch that kind
17:10of tape and judge Deshaun Watson on what was going on here.
17:14He didn't seem to think very much of some of what was going on here when Deshaun Watson was trying
17:21to operate these offenses and these schemes and do whatever they were trying to do with him.
17:26And I think the Browns firmly believe that Deshaun Watson will fare much better when he's in the hands of
17:34a coach who is adept at really working with a dual threat quarterback like that, who's going to know what
17:41to do with him, who has a sound scheme, and it's not going to be back and forth.
17:45I mean, think about the fact that, I mean, in the middle of the season, all of a sudden Ken
17:50Dorsey's calling plays or they're installing a Ken Dorsey offense where nobody knew exactly what was going on there.
17:56So he doesn't feel like that tape is 100% useful right now.
18:01He knows what the show is.
18:04Oh my God, she dropped.
18:05You there?
18:06You there?
18:08Yes.
18:09Okay.
18:10I didn't want to say.
18:10Mary Kay, I wish we had more time.
18:12We do have to go.
18:13I thank you so much for your time and we'll talk to you next week.
18:15Thanks, Mary Kay.
18:17Sounds good.
18:18Thanks, guys.
18:19Mary Kay Cabot on the Make It Right Call Kyle Wright Hotline.
18:23Well, if you were watching on YouTube Live, I'm sorry I could not hide my face when she said Ty
18:27Simpson at 6.
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